The red pill are a bunch of bigots who can't get laid.

GayLubeOil · 2015-03-20T18:12:45+00:00

A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect? It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice. Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice. Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

JP_Whoregan · 2015-03-20T16:45:46+00:00

It's been said before, and I'll say it again:

"The Red Pill is the radical notion that women are people."

They are not special snowflakes. They do not have an inherently predisposed tendency towards chastity, towards compassion, towards loyalty, towards affection, towards empathy or towards any other righteous quality that the feminine imperative society tells us that women have.

See, this is what outsiders now define as misogyny. Any time a man calls one of the aforementioned qualities into question regarding women, we are told that we are bigots who 'hate women', simply because we are suspicious of their motivations and inclinations. No, we are simply stating that women can have motivations that are just as selfish, deceitful, and ruthless (maybe moreso) as the motivations that men can harbor.

Yes, when a woman divorce-rapes her husband and takes his kids from him for no other reason than "unhaaaapy", she is a fucking self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

Yes, when a woman leads a man on into orbiter-zone, dangling a false carrot of implied future sexual relationship, only to get him to buy things and do things for her, she is a self-centered bitch who's only looking out for her own interests. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

When a man musters the balls to approach a woman, and she publicly ridicules him, shames him, and nuclear rejects him for her own self amusement, rather than just a polite "no thanks", she is a narcissistic cunt with no regard for the feelings of other people. I'm not a misogynist for saying so.

In all three of these examples, these are the same exact judgments that I'd levy against a man who engaged in the same behaviors.

After all...women are people.

RPB1 · 2015-03-20T14:41:22+00:00

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

"We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist."

We are here because of feminism. We're here to take from them what they tried to take from us: purpose.

Agent Smith lines aside, what our detractors and critics fail to realize is that the Red Pill is an emergent property of a preeminent problem. That is, the ever-increasing encroachment of male subjugation, expendability, disrespect, and sexual constriction.

We didn't wake up one morning and collectively decide to call women on their bullshit because misogyny, we suffered through our early lives doing what women and television told us to do and decided to do things the successful way: our way.

Their hamsters are stuck in a loop while we decided to get somewhere using our own two feet as sovereign individuals whose prerogative is to find satisfaction in our lives on our terms.

They don't hate us for our views, they hate us for their lack of power over us. They've become so entrenched in their narcissism that the notion of using effort and offering value beyond their pussy is heresy itself.

A man who cannot be controlled by sex cannot be used by women, and the idea of the chickens coming home to roost scares the shit out of them.

The irony though is that many of us don't care about women that much anymore, we just want to be free to enjoy our own slice of pie in peace. We are giving ourselves the respect we were denied by people who offered rhetoric instead of solutions.

Fuck them, I've got my own life to live.

waitfor_ittt · 2015-03-20T14:24:53+00:00

Male here, 22, TRP has helped me get over my ex GF and understand my own value. I love myself, and I love women even more now because I understand them and their natural instincts.

_whistler · 2015-03-20T14:31:40+00:00

joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

Important point, and well stated.

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

I can't stress the truth of this statement enough. We've been conditioned to reject this part of ourselves, this primal urge toward fulfilling sex and dominant behavior. We've had our natures coerced and beaten from us since childhood, and to the less-aware man, this takes a horrible psychological toll. This community we have here, within this subreddit, is a place to begin repairing the damage done by a society at odds with tens of thousands of years of masculine instinct.

This is precisely why, after finding the Red Pill, I've stayed here and been an (on-and-off) active member of the community. Because not all men are self-aware enough to really know this without help. For me, the number one concept the Red Pill represents is such a self-awareness. And it cannot be an evil thing to be self-aware.

vandaalen · 2015-03-20T14:40:15+00:00

It's basically three things.

First it is the oldest trick in the book to discredit the messenger in order to distract from and discredit the message and sometimes even to create a bogeyman. By shaming us as neckbeards, loosers, virgins, misogynists, you name it, they create a picture in the head of people before they get a chance to form an opinion based on the content served here.

If you need an example how well this works, then picture a terrorist in your head. Now tell me what he looks like. Does he look like a ginger member of the IRA? Does he look like a Basque from the ETA? Does he look like a German from the RAF? Does he look like Timothy McVeigh? Is it maybe even a woman? Probably not. I bet he's got a beard.

Secondly it's the application of the japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered." We've got the nerve to act contra popular consent. We deny to let ourself be manipulated anymore. We refuse to play the game by the rules which we never set up and agreed to in the first place, because the price offered just doesn't appeal to us any more.

And lastly we hold up a mirror to them. It can't be true that in the end it indeed is myself who is able to make change to my life to the better. It must not be, that I can't blame all the strawmen I've put up for my personal misery.

I am fat because genetics and thyriod and not because I am a lazy fuck whose nutrition consists of Cheetos flushed down with a bucket of Mountain Dew. I am unhappy because society denies me my happiness, and not because I can't be bothered to make a step out of my comfort zone. I don't get what my neighbour has, because of his priveleges and not because I spend my time on tumblr or in the World of Warcraft, while I could have used that time to educate myself and maybe build a career. I do net get laid because I wasn't nice enough and because of Chad McCocky, who finally fucked her brains out, and not because I am a pathetic piece of wobbly meat which stinks, has got no sense for fashion and lacks confidence. I lack confidence because of society and not because I actually don't have just anything I could be confident about.

And finally it just cannot be true that these misogynistic shitlords get all these things just by tweaking their lifes. They must be loudmouthed pathetic neckbearded loosers.

mordanus · 2015-03-20T22:35:37+00:00

My sex life is a thousand times better since finding the red pill. I get blow jobs on command and my wife is so much more turned on by me now that her sex life is a thousand times better.

Feminism is a plague and the red pill is the cure.

suloco · 2015-03-20T15:56:46+00:00

Discovering TRP has in all seriousness been the most important moment of my adult life.

There is no way I can ever express the gratitude for what you guys started here.

Shit, I'm genuinely getting emotional, gotta go!

Namaste1994 · 2015-03-20T14:29:58+00:00

Male, 20, TRP has done more for me in the last 3 months of reading than the last 11 months i spent moping and complaining over why i lost my gf (oneits to the max). I am more confident and i honestly dont really give a fuck what they think of me anymore and people(particularly girls) have picked up on that. I owe more than i can give to TRP. steps off soapbox

mister_barfly75 · 2015-03-20T16:13:48+00:00

joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

The SJWs of the world don't get this, though. I was answering a thread in AskReddit a couple of weeks ago (the thread was asking parents why they didn't have anything to do with their kids) and my response didn't exactly paint my ex-wife in a positive light. The mere fact that I had dared suggest that a woman might not be a special snowflake prompted some white knight to go through my post history and find out that I was TRP.

Obviously, the only natural conclusion he came to after that was that my marriage crumbled because I was your average TRP douche and she obviously deserved better and not that a failed marriage to a bitch while being a completely beta faggot had helped put me on the path here to try and find a better way of conducting myself and making sure that it didn't happen to me again.

Fuck 'em. They can think and squawk all they want, it won't affect the life I'm living or stop me from striving to improve myself and achieve my goals.

The womyn don't like the idea that they've finally been figured out and getting resistance, the guys are either hampered by crab-bucket mentality or hoping that being Captain Save-a-ho will score them some poon which is just as manipulative as they claim our strategies are.

reptiliansentinel · 2015-03-20T15:12:31+00:00

This sub is full of men who fix problems. Women "address" problems, but rarely fix them. Your girl would rather you commiserate through her personal pain with her than solve it for her. When redpillers saw that we weren't having the kind of success in love and sex that we wanted, we sought to fix these issues. Instead of complaining on tumblr that we just didn't get enough love or respect, we took those things.

Ratcheta · 2015-03-20T14:31:04+00:00

I hate women about as much as I hate everyone else. Which is to say, not that much to start until proven otherwise. I merely understand that there are differences between the way the genders think and feel. This therefore affects the way I will interact as such. Especially given the fact that if it is an attractive women, I'll likely desire intercourse with them eventually.

If that makes me wrong in the eyes of people who I'm otherwise not associated with and could give two fucks about, then being right is just not for me. The first 18 years of my life have proved that being 'right' in society's view got me nothing. Being 'wrong' so far has.

Some loneliness is necessary to maintain sanity in this sort of world.

bsutansalt · 2015-03-20T17:56:00+00:00

even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

The grand irony is how feminists get upset by things like saying a guy "throws like a girl" is a slight against girls and women, as if being a girl is a pejorative. Yet they turn around and do the same exact thing when it comes to men and their ability to get sex, that if a man can't get laid then it's because of or makes him a loser. Says a lot about their thought process, doesn't it?

Another facet to this irony is that it confirms the crux of the lock and key analogy regarding sluts vs studs.

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GayLubeOil · 2015-03-20T18:09:52+00:00

A year ago when I first started posting on Reddit I wrote about my experiences on the Ok Cupid dating site and posted it to the OKC subreddit.

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qg2q3/honest_redpill_assesment_of_ok_cupid/

I was immediately shouted down by fat social justice warriors who were offended. Was my experience helpful? Was my writing humorus? Was my analysis incorrect?

It didnt matter. The fat she Beasts were mad. They were mad and they were going to stampede around being mad and no one was going to hear my voice.

Thats when it dawned on me that you cant post realist dating advice on reddit because the offended women will down vote it to hell. All that remains is the politicaly correct just be yourself and pamper her advice.

Eventually I found a receptive audience in the Red Pill and its been a gay old time ever since.

redarkane · 2015-03-22T17:56:56+00:00

I've been in three relationships that have spanned over 5 years of my life.

I ain't no Virgin.

I just got tired of getting cheated on by women and begin seeing common characteristics between all of them.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T16:27:52+00:00

Get ready for another 1,000 subscribers.

MattyAnon · 2015-03-20T17:43:55+00:00

We are attacked because we are a threat. Because sex is a threat. Because the alpha guy is a threat. Because women's sexual desire is a threat.

And women attack threats. Especially if she can perceive or make it a low SMV threat. You virgin neckbeards.

Sex is a direct threat to every controlling woman with a BB man who must be told that he doesn't have better options.

Sex is a direct threat to every sexless marriage. In fact it is sexless because there is no sexual threat. And we bringing the threat back (dread game, self improvement).

Sex is threatening sexual competition. The worse a man believes his options are, the easier every woman has it. If all women and all men felt how awesome men really are, the whole SMV scale would tip heavily in our favour. Many more people would have much better sex, but it would be harder to lock down them beta bucks.

TL;DR Sex is a threat, attack the neckbeards!

djvita · 2015-03-20T18:33:17+00:00

I would wager to say this sub has the highest concentration of attractive men on reddit. We tell each other to lift, groom, have ambition, approach a lot, have game etc.

rossiFan · 2015-03-20T15:37:01+00:00

Joe Rogan said it best: "There's a lot of bitches in this world, and most of them are men".

TRP is the anti-manbitch. That's all.

the-Real_Slim-Shady · 2015-03-20T15:21:23+00:00

I'm a man that was raised by my mother. My father, while an exceptional provider, was and still is never around (as he works abroad). How can a woman teach me how to be a man?

This is why I am here. TRP has helped me tremendously. It has helped me become a better person: a better lover, a better student, a better employee, and a better son.

To the detractors I would like to say that the ideas expressed here are merely a framework. Most of the anecdotes I've read here I understand to be hyperbole. I won't say that the premises expressed here are "true", just that they reinforce what I've experienced to be true.

PS My mother is as strong as they come. Although she could not equip me with the tools to be a man (the male perspective), she has done the best she can in a less-than-ideal situation, and I love her for it.

mastapetz · 2015-03-20T15:39:10+00:00

Don't hate me for this, but I can tell you why a lot of people on reddit snarl at the mention of this sub.

There is a vocal minority, where this insult fits. While you barely will see a post of them in here, they will preach red pill sermons in some threads around reddit, often in a condescending tone sounding like frustrated sexless neckbeards. I am quite sure some of you found some of those cringe worthy answers of "red pillers" that just seem to scream "hate me and hate everyone that is in the same sub as me"

I mostly lurk here, there sometimes are really really good threads, that helped me understand the world a bit better and recognise hamstring for what it is and also got somehow to realises when I am shit tested and when not. Also some of the pages and blogs I got to know from here helped me through difficult times.

Just, I am right now at a point where red pill can't help me, a point where I need to get out before any of the good tipps you read here can be used. I am not at fuck all, I am at "I don't even care about women". Honestly I don't even know how I got to this point.

bunnylajoya8 · 2015-03-20T18:38:56+00:00

Feminists get annoyed/call misogyny when men here talk about about plates/ONS/casual sex, because they like to remove agency/responsibility from women. A grown woman should know that if she gives it up on the first date/meeting that a man is not going to want that in an LTR. If a woman doesn't want to be dumped early, she should keep her legs closed. All I see on TRP is discussions of injustice, confirmation of the importance of TRP in men's lives, the sharing of experiences & everything else that is conducive to healthy discussion. I don't see misogyny apart from new members who are still struggling with the truth, I don't believe manipulation is part of TRP at all.

Edit: accidentally pressed enter, can't remember my conclusion, but I think what I've said still stands. Also, very interesting post OP :)

thenarrrowpath · 2015-03-20T16:08:23+00:00

The ironic part of the name calling is that it ends up attracting the majority of its subscribers purely by curiosity. Then once its actual read everyone realizes the rest of reddit hasn't even read this sub.

SwissPablo · 2015-03-20T15:13:22+00:00

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life.

I think it's safe to say they're aware of it, even if they don't understand it.

One of the first girls I dated around 15 years ago when I was full blown doormat nice guy, said to me flat out when I was trying to explain that I could be macho assertive and sexy:

"We need guys like you to stay the way you are."

It isn't just that people think Red Pill is offensive. It goes entirely against the economics of a society where men are expected to be humbled providers. If birth rates plummet in a nation where men start to learn that it's not just ok, but preferable to stay unmarried with no children, then it's that society's death knell.

rpmanwithaquestion · 2015-03-20T17:29:06+00:00

Before coming here for the first time I have to admit Reddit already had and has a well defined prejudice over TRP which somehow leaked into my consciousness and I felt I had no reason to be here. Until one day I decided to actually see for myself what was behind all of this.

The rest you guys already know, the knowledge hits you like a train.

Thrug · 2015-03-20T14:40:57+00:00

They've taken to calling it a cult recently after discovering we really don't give an iota of a fuck for their opinions.

RPthrowaway123 · 2015-03-20T18:09:45+00:00

This place has made my life immeasurably better. Love you guys. That is all!

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lordrand11 · 2015-03-21T01:27:29+00:00

Each time I find myself in the depths of despair looking for that sign of hope that life isn't as bad as it seems, a post like this shows up leading me ever more towards the red pill process of thought. Whether it be by divine influence or karmic balance, truly do I appreciate the words that seemingly match my experiences at each present moment they are gleaned.

I've found myself walking the halls of a dark corridor running through the constance that was my life and how I found myself in my current situation.

As one might expect, I followed what seemed to be the tempered logic of my being in the wrong at each moment that caused the dividing rift in them. It wasn't until a coworker of mine named this sub reddit off to me and gave me some keen insight on the ideals of TRP.

To add to the current post, the women I've been with all want one thing (including their own subordinates, i.e white knights) or desire said one thing: control. I find that entire process to be detrimental to the conscript of equality they so desperately cling to.

If ones idea of equality is to shit on the person next to him than there is none.

Misandrists, keep attacking you're only helping to drive the point that's made within this sub reddit further as well as label yourselves hypocrite.

[deleted] · 2015-03-21T18:30:43+00:00

Hi! I am new here, and I am tearing up right now. (: My personal success did not involve The Red Pill but now that I am here, I will happily stay and see what's offered. It's a process and I am not done!

swoleo_dicaprio · 2015-03-20T14:49:27+00:00

I didn't know the word "incel" until I started reading this sub, which alienated me; I lost my virginity at 16 and have been in the zone for 14 years. I've had great LTRs and ONSs and every kind of fling in between. I get the sense there are plenty of guys like me here: they have success, but they're still beleaguered by the flashes of inhumanity in the margins of their female relationships. It's those glimpses that hint at a deeper truth about the real power dynamics that underlie the romantic fairy tales. If you're at all interested in economies of power, it's because you're the type of guy who wants to get ahead and knows there's no rules. Lots of people here have observed TRP thinking/philosophy are abstractly applicable to business, friendship, and other competitive arenas where the ends justify the means.

Edit: diction. Tl;dr, let them call us neckbeards, be too busy winning at life

truchisoft · 2015-03-20T16:18:17+00:00

Ever since taking the red pill I have dated girls that:
* Are prettier than any I've dated before
* Treat me like someone they look up to, all the time
* Are more receptive to my needs
* Lust after me all the time
* Have sex with me on almost every of my whims, and enjoy it
* Pay half of every expense (even on the first date!)
* Don't try to change me at all

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T16:11:43+00:00

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

coffee_and_lumber · 2015-03-20T16:37:48+00:00

In general, women don't know what it takes to be a man, so we in the context of this subreddit and movement don't have to listen to their opinions. Weak-willed, feminized men obviously don't have a clue either so they too can be ignored (and fwiw, derided and shamed as well). I refuse to see any of that as bigoted. When I was in basic training, we were not to speak casually to our instructors. Ask questions? Sure, but our unsolicited opinions were pretty much universally ignored, even punished. Why? Because we knew nothing about being soldiers yet. We had nothing inside of us in the context of the military to have a frame of reference yet. It was not uncommon to feel ire at your instructor for them "picking" on you, but in no way were they wrong for doing so.

At nearly 40, I look back and see for sure that 25-year-old me would have been horrified that I'm here now. And young me would be absolutely wrong. I'll certainly not be shamed by some college sophomore with an anonymous Reddit account into getting into their frame. All we are selling here is male freedom and enlightenment as intended by nature, nothing more. No new age ideas, nothing invented or idealized. Simply what resides inside each of us from the get go. Generations of heavy-handed feminism, single mothers and feminine ideals in art and media have put layers of restrictions on essential, healthy, beautiful maleness before it has a chance to mature.

Women don't mean to do that, they've simply thrown out the baby with the bathwater in an attempt to reinforce traits in us they say they want, rather than objectively recognizing what we are supposed to be. An example: When I go to the dog park and the dogs are all play fighting with each other to decide who is in charge, often quite exuberantly and violently, it's always the female owners who step in, wide-eyed, and break it up before the dogs get a chance to sort out their hierarchy. They mean well. After all, they are protecting their dog from getting hurt! And that definitely will protect the animal. However, you are eliminating an essential social experience for that dog by protecting/controlling it.

Good post. As always when critique arises about us, I expect we'll see a spike in subscriptions (there were over 20 in the time it took me to write this) when people with actual reading comprehension skills come here and take a good, measured look around.

abcd_z · 2015-03-20T19:05:18+00:00

My favorite comment that addresses the logical paradox involved in shaming red pillers would have to be this one:

Yep, we are simultaneously creepy neckbeard losers who can't get laid and dangerous Svengali manipulators who lure defenseless women into bed with our rapey psychology techniques.

I just hope that whole revolution thing happens soon. The way I simultaneously get laid and don't get laid is tearing a hole in my local space-time continuum.

ChristianGraysBoss · 2015-03-21T17:08:27+00:00

I'm a handsome, wealthy lawyer. I'm incredibly successful with women now after many years of acting like a pussy post-college.

My discovery of TRP resulted from reading anti-leftist websites. My hope is that TRP will turn into a breeding ground for a cultural revolution of sorts. Nerds, neckbeards, jocks, lawyers, etc. pushing back against cultural decay as one force.

NickCiufi · 2015-03-20T15:16:06+00:00

I'm in a happily-monogamous marriage where sex is frequent. I also have no hairs on my neck. Where is your social justice now?!

FatherDerp · 2015-03-20T18:35:55+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree with what's being said here and I'd like to add a little bit from my perspective.

I've heard among the circles of women, their opinions of men and their attitude towards sex. It's ridiculous, albeit true in some cases.

Men only care about sex

Sex to men is just a game

Sex is all physical for a man and there's no emotion whatsoever

are just a few of the commonalities between opinions.

While this is a reality for some men, it's not a reality for those who are "sexless" or even without inter-gender contact.

I myself quite value the emotional side of sex and think it should play a part into sex as it makes it more enjoyable when you get the connection with your partner. Do I think it's necessary to enjoy sex? No.

And this seems to be the common consensus among my peers. I see it day in and day out where my friends complain that a girl they're seeing doesn't treat their needs with as much importance or value as they would like. Men have needs and it's not all about sex.

Hopefully this whole threat can get stickied because I think it's very important for outsiders to realize that we're not a bunch of whoremongerers. We just want some equal and fair attention and to stop being treated like we're pathetic, lowly and worth nothing (sound familiar?).

Revel4ti0n · 2015-03-21T00:14:44+00:00

I am very surprised to read a Post like this. I don't want to know the number of suizides this subreddit prevented... Same as the Numbers of families saved... And so on. It's the only place in the entire internet where my soul gets happy and I feel understood and my feelings as a man are addressed in the wright place. Thanks to all great posts and discussions, and keep it up!

The part of reddit where they discuss seduction could be questioned, but that's an other topic.

Wanz75 · 2015-06-30T23:47:45+00:00

When you are the kind of guy who gets angry at a women for not wanting to have sex with you then you automatically become a problem in her life. It is a problem she has had to deal with since she was too young to handle it. You are an uninvited pest in her life. She can try to squash you, shoo you out the window, poison you etc... she has tried every solution in the past and it hasn't always gone well. You may be a good guy but, through your neediness, she had ceased to see you as a man and just resents you for being a pest. Fear is lock and laughter is the key.

[deleted] · 2015-09-15T19:47:09+00:00

It's funny how the supposedly most accepting people are the least. My brother posted his profile to the bastion of tolerance and acceptance known as the OKC subreddit, asking for their advice on what to change.

He was immediately shamed by the women there for his height, one of whom was easily over 200lbs. He pointed out that while he couldn't change his height, she could easily change her weight, making her comments somewhat hypocritical.

He was immediately banned for "shaming" other users. His only real violation that differed from hers was having a penis. This shit is what created TRP and the reason we both started lurking here. I honestly find this place cathartic and can't wait to start posting once I've been here long enough.

DoxasticPoo · 2015-03-20T15:29:38+00:00

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Very important line here. As a man, you are alone. And that seems really scary... but at least we're all alone together. Once you get over that part, things get much easier.

ButtPuppett · 2015-03-20T18:38:27+00:00

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

You're gilded for this.

goemon45 · 2015-03-21T03:37:14+00:00

How is this place the most bigoted when places like r/greatapes exsist.

gigahut · 2015-03-20T14:35:23+00:00

To me TRP is like the newspaper. I read posts here when I get a few extra minutes during the day and try to apply it later. Usually it works, sometimes it doesn't. The most important thing to me here is learning what I can. The TRP community is collectively enlightening us on what type of behavior desirable in the world and more importantly what type of behaviors make you a target to be used and abused.

Thanks for your post.

sluggy1616 · 2015-03-21T01:26:16+00:00

The beauty of TRP is that the knowledge allows one to properly allocate their resources to get what they want out of life. It has facets that help guide a boy to a rich and fruitful life as a man.
Most boys/younger guys want to engage girls/women. The boys/men want to make the girls/woman happy. As a matter of logic, it would seem that treating a girl/woman well would earn their respect and get them to love you. TRP teaches men that this is NOT what makes women happy. Once a man realizes what makes a woman happy, he can cut to the chase and get it done and save himself a great amount of time and heartache. That's what TRP is to me. Gives you the truth and allows you as a man to allocate your time to things that really matter and will make you a better person.

thenameisadam · 2015-03-21T04:46:15+00:00

Your points are valid, but they lead to the truth that The Red Pill is a community based around becoming cold and competitive. Whether you choose to consider the validity of that or not, you have to recognize the validity of a lot of people determining that your ideas are a net negative for society.

Titan5000 · 2015-03-23T17:40:02+00:00

I hope this stays stickied forever - the drop ins/new subscribers need to read this before they even move onto the content/sidebar

Porter_West · 2015-03-20T14:39:04+00:00

The anonymous nature of Internet forums such as TRP makes it easy for people to cherry pick whatever information fits the desired stereotype a person or group of people want to lump everyone associated with that group into. Since we'll never really know that much about each other outside the material and discussion (true/honest or not) presented here, there's no way to back up anything in the 'real' world.

That said, for every little comment or tidbit that comes off as <insert negative adjective> or is taken out of context, I've found so much more useful, objective, and thought provoking information and ideas.

Although I've mainly been a lurker, I encourage people here, especially newbies, to think critically about what you find here. Afterall, isn't that why you (or many of us) are here? Because you are tired of taking everything at face value and wondering why your spoon-fed paradigms have been historically ineffective at helping find whatever it is you're looking for?

Whisper · 2015-03-20T16:28:55+00:00

I love it when people who haven't looked at my profile or posting history try to get me "look at what the red pill has turned you into".

Bitch, I was one of the people who helped invent the red pill. I was posting this shit back before there was comment karma or subreddits.

And you know what? It got downvotes, but it didn't get downvoted to oblivion. Because the tinder was there, dry as a bone, and waiting for match. There were plenty of men tired of being shit on for following what everyone (starting with our parents) told us the rules were.

We are the evil you created, the monster you made.

Wanna cry about it, wring your hands, and wait for someone to rescue you? All the white-knights eventually turn into us when they realize that white knighting is good for damsels, but bad for white knights.

So good luck with that.

MightyTaint · 2015-03-20T15:56:24+00:00

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

Speak for yourself. The red pill is just that, it's acceptance of the reality of men's role in society, and male/female dynamics. Regardless of whether or not the pill is bitter, that's what it is. A lot of people use the results to try to get sex. Ok. But that doesn't mean that's the point or what drove everyone here. Some people maybe, but that's tangential.

Drenmar · 2015-03-20T17:33:26+00:00

I really think those 'neckbeard virgin' insults are just a result of psychological projection. The average redditor probably isn't that far off the neckbeard virgin spectrum after all. They get 'triggered' (I hate that word) by us when we openly talk about these issues and then start projecting.

animalpoo · 2015-03-20T17:59:44+00:00

Love the post, this reminds me of the point brought up in the book "how to win friends and influence people". The idea that everyone has a deep imbedded need to feel appreciated.

With the given environment this is increasingly hard. Appreciation comes from various categories in life; Sex, friends, family , career. No one wants to feel worthless.

redpillschool · 2015-03-20T20:37:42+00:00

You know, as someone with "a foot in each world", so to speak, I find this post to be a very genuine, calm, and well-written summary of why people seek out TRP's help. Whatever the other members of Reddit think about TRP, if they read this I'm reasonably confident that they'd find it mostly agreeable (provided it was presented as not RP so no prejudice could make them dislike it from the get-go). All in all, this is just a quality post.

Good work, OP.

[deleted] · 2015-03-21T02:52:39+00:00

Notice how they (feminists) still use sex to try to control men?

The shaming technique is just a manipulation technique and when men stop buying into it we are better off

thereddespair · 2015-03-20T15:24:31+00:00

Hey I get laid a lot and I am here? sexless virgin, oh god I wish I was lol.

You may get hated and burned here on reddit, but this is not where the real battles are fought, it is out there in the real world. You guys get laid and get what you want, they don't. It is easy for people to say anything and attack anybody online, but how many can in the real world? Cock sucking wankers, mostly.

Sex is a need which almost everybody has. And there are a lot of hypocrites who say oh its not that important, but really they just try to downplay it coz theyre either not getting a sufficient amount of it or none at all

I just say, go do what the fuck you want and take what you want in life. Who gives a shit if people hate you for it, either here online or out there. You win nothing by living by other peoples approval, unless youre the biggest ass kisser in the world.

FunAndFreedom · 2015-03-20T17:34:23+00:00

The people who deride this subforum are people I feel sorry for. Their lives are full of hatred and anger hidden behind a thin facade of sarcasm. If you are curious, go to one of the subforums that call us "neckbeards" and click the post history of a few of the frequent posters.

I did, and in their post histories I found many of them were people who were significantly obese, or who were in extreme debt, or who were living life in squalor. In other words, people who don't matter to this world. I would advise you all to ignore their existence.

This isn't exclusive to TheRedPill. In another reddit forum a person told me that the streets should run red with my families blood for no reason besides the fact I was a landlord who had a few nice cars. There are people out there who are so concerned with tearing others down that they don't realize they are responsible for their own miserable lives. They are the loudest voices and there unfortunately is no reasoning with them.

Just like a plate who gets too clingy, NEXT those losers and focus on self improvement and people who matter.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T14:45:54+00:00

This righteous fury I feel boiling in me while reading your excellent note.

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

Reminds me of this excerpt from Fight Club, I don't think it's a coïncidence :

Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.

We are Men. And we are taking back Manhood.

Stand Strong Brothers.

Also, we should remember something, here :

I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. ... Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

From The Iron, Henry Rollins

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T16:23:38+00:00

dI myself am here when as a borderline purplepiller started talking to a redpiller at a party, unknowing that he was a redpiller as I had heard of this subreddit and checked it from time to time, discussed sexual dyanmics and how women worked. And the more I read, the more I learned myself the nature of said dynamics, shit tests, SMV and RMV, the CC, and how much it's happened to me (shit tests) that this was the right place for me, and you guys (and now myself, the more and more I read) get it. As well as improving and working on myself and my views of the world and being aware of how things actually work, and I thank you all.

Edit: Cool, Gold! Thanks guy!

cleftscout · 2015-03-20T16:31:28+00:00

Edited for format and clarification and when I saw that a mod posted it.

I'm responding to how I understood this post, which I found worded strangely with a changing point being made. TRP was never about sex for me, even when I was purple pill, slightly above normal weight/build (shit) below normal height, I got more sex than I could handle and was much more often approached by girls than I approached them. After I broke up with an ex girlfriend I got after I decided to cool it with the multiple partners, I went 8 months not having any libido. I've never been in a relationship where I was the most common initiator of sex or the one that found it to be most important or pleasurable. Since I always had access to it, it's simply something that people do (Source: Every single persons biological parents.) and something that my parents always demonized.

TRP in my life has never been about sex at all. In my opinion, revolving anything around gaining sex is pathetic. TRP for me has always been about making oneself the best possible man one can be, which in turn makes one the best possible option for sex as a result of being better, not as a goal from the beginning. I feel like this post is about a small subset of TRP, and one that is from a very ~~new poster/member~~ Someone making blanket statements directed towards getting the attention of the subset it's about? There are far too many aspects of TRP not about sex for everyone here to have come because they had problems with getting sex, and there are plenty of places elsewhere for people to go that take much less work to obtain the sex they want.

If you need examples of reasons I use TRP, read the sidebar. I'm in it for the psychology and general knowledge that is displayed and because I just like the truth, whether it be good or bad for me. It has helped me get more sexual attention, but it has also ~~changed~~ solidified my views and respect for/about sex and women in a way that can bother a (in my opinion for myself) high quality LTR (at least in my age group of late teens-early twenties) who sees sex as something intimate between two partners. I had a difficult conversation about sex with my LTR and explained that I never saw it as something intimate after I turned 13 because it's just something so normal and prevalent not only in the hookup culture proliferated by almost all forms of media, but also because at its core, it's really not special. And she strongly disagreed.

TL;DR: TRP isn't about sex. It's about being the best possible you.

cazzah123 · 2015-03-20T16:57:14+00:00

Woman hate us because we are taking their power
Men in groups that involve woman hate us because they want to white knight the chicks
Men alone fucking love us

MirthSpindle · 2015-03-20T20:59:29+00:00

The core content here tends not to be bigoted, but from my experience, quite a good number of the commenters are. Probably because they joined simply because they want a place to vent the hate that they have built up in their life.

GuruDev1000 · 2015-03-20T14:52:52+00:00

RPS is always such a fine, articulate and balanced writer. Beautiful post.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T16:11:51+00:00

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

I would like to say that it's a strategy beta employs. When in competition with a male of higher value, they discredit him as a sexual being in order to win the female's attention. No need to remind anybody, even out of the sub, that betas are those who can't get laid.

So actually, by using this very argument, they are basically saying they are the ones that can't get laid.

macsenscam · 2015-03-20T17:17:49+00:00

The most bigoted? Have these people not seen r/fatpeoplehate?

JablesRadio · 2015-03-20T15:48:29+00:00

TRP hasn't helped me get laid or turned me into a scathing misogynist. In fact, the relationship between my girlfriend and I, one that's going on 2 years, is better than ever. She has told me on multiple occasions that assertiveness has played a big part in this. She also knows that some of that has come from /r/theredpill.

Anyone believing that TRP is a bunch of guys jacking it because they can't get laid should look in the mirror. At simple face value, TRP is way more than that, anyone thinking otherwise is willfully ignorant. Why take a couple of minutes to learn anything at all about a subject when you can just cry and moan and get it banned?

cruyff8 · 2015-03-20T17:54:45+00:00

Even if everyone here is a "sexless, virgin, neckbeard", which is what your missive implies, isn't it better to have us mouth off online than actually bother women in our quest for orgasms all the time? That's what I don't get about people who want to ban any subreddit, be it trp or anything else.

BlackFallout · 2015-03-20T19:01:58+00:00

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this sub. It has worked wonders for me.

anti_erection_man · 2015-03-20T19:58:50+00:00

They're all virgin neckbeards.

If that's the actual way they imagine, oh they are making such a big mistake. When one of the main things about a RedPill or MGTOW, is lifting and fitness, and RedPill man are pretty good at attracting women, and striving to be alpha males.

In the end, the bad intended women won't change their minds, and the beta bucks is bad mainly for them.

Who the fuck declared us the most bigoted subreddit anyway? How come it's fine when feminists make man hating statements in public places, but when A FEW of RedPill man might show a somewhat hatred towards some women, it's a major tragedy and needs to stop. The only sex you may hate is male, under any condition. Even if that bitch ex lazy wife stole all your hard earned money and car and house in the divorce, she being a fucking moronic ass that cheated on you and never worked a day in her pathetic existence.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T15:59:33+00:00

most of us didn't get here on accident. And if you did you didn't stay on accident. Great insight

brandnewtoreddit96 · 2015-03-20T16:27:11+00:00

Immediately after reading this I subscribed. I will have to read more posts but I have always feel this is somewhere to I can relate to.I have always felt unwanted and unappreciated. Maybe because I was slightly chubby and messy when I was younger. I was never the guy the girls talked about. I was always the funny sweet one. Now because of this I changed my look, work out ever day and even tidy my hair occasionally. My narcissism has hit a point where even if a girl makes a move on me I feel it as pity. I can see how a girl might approach a friend of mine but could never accept one would like me. I feel like i will end up as Jeff Winger, calling a phone sex line to see if a women would like me for the person I am not what I look like.

dandeezy · 2015-03-20T19:12:56+00:00

Some men come here to LOSE their anger towards women contrary to the reverse belief that they come here to fuel that anger.

I'm a semi good looking successful engineer that puts honesty before all things and I easily apply red pill methodology in my life. I'm not a player or a womanizer, I discovered bluepill first ironically and subscribed to both after awhile. I couldn't stand bluepill and agreed with majority of trp.

If you want proof, I'm proof. AMA! I can record a say in my life to show you I'm not some fat ass in mom's basement jacking off all day, but a successful social and sane man who enjoys his work. There are many like me! Stick around to see!

Angelicsin87 · 2015-03-26T07:11:05+00:00

I'm hoping I've caught the attention of at least a few new people taking a peek to see what we're about. You're probably hoping to find evidence to support the popular opinion- that we should be chided or ignored.

You have. I am actually here to learn more about you guys by asking a few questions. I promise not to chide anyone here.

The reason we are here and the reason we don't care about the insults are one in the same: Because joining the red pill did not start the insults, instead the insults started the red pill.

What sort of insults lead you guys to The Red Pill? Who insults you guys?

The irony sorely lost on the masses is in the call for equality, anti-bigotry, and whatever other causes your average social justice warrior stands up for. The public has doubled down and taken up the very weapons they decry. Shame and scorn against those they disagree with. Sexual shame in retribution for valuing sex. Smooth.

They say that we're wrong in our assessments, and then revoke our manhoods by commenting on our inability to get sex.

How do you define manhood? Does proclaiming you guys don't get sex really revoke you of your manhood?

But they've got the order of operations down wrong.

Order of operations to what?

I'm not going to deny that we have had trouble with sex. That is the common thread that brings us here. Using sexlessness to dismiss us is precisely the behavior that brought men here to begin with. We were sexless. Our views and perspectives, our so-called "bigotry" did not lead us to a sexless life so you can conveniently dismiss our views. Instead, our sexless lives lead us to adopt these views as a last ditch effort to reach sexual success. And most of us stayed here when we realized it was effective.

Is sexlessness used to dismiss you guys? Are your guys views being dismissed or rejected? What are your views? How has being sexless made you adopt these views as a last ditch effort? Why is sexual success important? Does it matter what gender you achieve sexual success with? How much effort do you guys put in towards sexual success before resorting to this last ditch effort? Will your views be considered valid with sexual success? What exactly was effective?

But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!

Right?

I think it's pretty safe to say that most women don't really understand to what degree sex matters in the average man's life. He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

Is sex required to feel like you belong and are accepted? Can the same be said for women? Do you guys accept yourselves for who you are? If not, do you need to have sex in order to?

The fact is, for most of our lives, we've come to accept that we are not sexually desirable to most (or all) women.

Does everyone in this subreddit believe they're sexually undesirable? Who says you are sexually undesirable? Is being sexually desirable important in a relationship?

Our advances left us crushed and depressed, were treated as creepy or worse than murder.

How have advances left you crushed and depressed? What sort of advances do you guys take? Do you guys make advances just for sex? Are you treated as creepy for making advances? Is rejection worse then murder for you guys?

Our relationships left us broken or broke. Our marriages crumbled.

What caused your relationship(s) to break or marriages(s) to crumble? Are you guys partly responsible for your relationship(s) or marriage(s) ending? Do you guys pursue another relationship after having been in one or after having a divorce?

If you listen to pop culture, and believe everybody finds their special somebody, then we must have been the outcasts.

Do you see yourselves as outcasts if you're not in a relationship or having sex? Do none of you believe you can find a significant other?

The fact that commenting on our lack of sexual success is inherent in all public dismissal of us (virgin neckbeards) should help put this into perspective- even the feminists and social justice warriors of the world denouncing sex as that important have made our manhoods (and therefore rights to have or speak an opinion at all) entirely dependent on our access to sex. Why would being a virgin or a neckbeard matter, unless sex truly does matter to our manhoods?

Do you believe having access to sex grants you the right to either have or speak an opinion? Do other peoples opinions matter (Especially if they have sex)? Must other genders have sex for their right to have or speak an opinion?

I don't really buy the rationale that it does matter to be a man.

Does it matter if you're any other gender?

But I do recognize that sex will still be important to men nevertheless.

Is it important to all men? Is sex with the same gender or other genders just as important?

And so here I support such a hypothesis, and behold, 102,000 men in two years have flocked. You can dismiss us, our views, and theories. But you cannot dismiss the common need and problem that brought us together.

What problem brought you all together? Sexlessness?

I want to back up a little bit, and address the idea that we're social outcasts.

Are you guys social outcasts? If so, what for?

Now, you'd think, every gender and every group has their outcasts. Looking back at high school, there were always those fringe groups that didn't quite get along. Some banded together in their unpopularity and played dungeons and dragons or wore funny looking clothing. So what's the red pill? Just a group of pimply-faced nerds who never learned to talk to women?

Are past high school reputations equivalent to current sexual social status?

That's the problem here- the reason for our corner of the internet. It affects more than just the pimply-faced nerds, more than the short guys, more than the fat, the skinny, or the ugly.

Are all pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, or your idea of ugly people affected by sexlessness or social dismissal? Does it affect more than just the pimply-faced nerds, short guys, the fat, the skinny, your idea of ugly people or men? Who doesn't it affect? Does being short, fat, skinny, ugly, or pimply-faced mean you're sexually undesirable by everyone and thus social dismissed?

The changes to inter-gender relations over the past 30 years have started to affect all of us.

Could you define inter-gender relations for me? How have they changed in 30 years? How does it affect us all?

You can see it in the declining marriage rates, in the studies that show dissatisfaction among both genders in relationships, the sky-high divorce rates, and the endless stories of custody battles and alimony cases. The school shootings and the male suicide rate, the gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns. The declining rate of male college graduates and the women who don't care. The single mothers, and the children who hate men.

Are you stating that school shootings, male suicide rate, gamer scandals, and presidential campaigns are from male sex deprivation? Are there actual statistics to back your claims?

We're not the sexless virgins. We're not the neckbeards.

We're fathers, firefighters, pilots, drivers, teachers, engineers, students, bankers, and entrepreneurs who are tall, skinny, fit, fat, good-looking, ugly, old, young, happy, angry, sad, depressed, and everything in between.

Can we be these without needing sex?

And we've all been affected by the changing environment.

What environment? How has it been changed? How has everyone else aside from men been affected by it?

And none of us found compassion, belonging, or empathy in the very system that gave us this shared experience.

Are you guys still trying to find compassion, belonging, or empathy? Do you guys feel compassionate, longing, or empathy towards others (No matter whom they are)? Does being sexless keep you from finding others compassion or empathy?

Maybe we are bigots, maybe we hate women. Maybe we aren't, and maybe we don't. It's entirely superfluous to the point of why we're here. Attacking these points does not dismiss our existence, nor does it address it.

Are you guys an organized group? What needs to be addressed?

It's up to you how you're going to deal with this information.

By asking for more information! :D

JennLegend3 · 2015-03-20T18:39:58+00:00

So I just want to say something here. I'm a female. I'm subbed here for a reason. I think it's very interesting to see your view of things we women do. Not all of us women are the same though. But I like to check out what you guys have gone through so I can keep my own relationship on check. So I actually appreciate what you guys do here.

Rhenthalin · 2015-03-20T15:25:07+00:00

I thought this sub only managed to eek out an honorable mention in terms of bigotry and "general misanthrope" in the last "Which part of reddit do you hate the most" thread. Go us for coming out on top

GregariousWolf · 2015-03-20T16:49:05+00:00

When i was young I thought the Battle of the Sexes was political humor. Now that I'm an older divorced guy, I'm a believer.

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bluedog_anchorite · 2015-03-20T23:30:34+00:00

The "no sex" accusation used to bother me when I was younger, but now I don't care. When I work at myself, women desire me, and when I don't, there is always porn. It's all good.

NotQuiteRedPill · 2015-03-21T02:16:53+00:00

Great post. I would like to add, and this is purely anecdotal (isn't everything on a website), that even my girlfriend (who didn't know I was reading this sub), mainly agreed with RP ideas.

As I explained some terms, like beta orbiter, she rattled off all the ones she used to have and laughed about it.

When I told her that women will make guys they like wait, while fucking the other guy, not only did she admit to it being true, but put the onus on the "nice guy" to recognize in what way he might be being used. She also said she would understand if the nice guy didn't want any part of the fact that he had to wait... And that's why she'd do what she needed to so he wouldn't find out.

Really, I expected somewhat different answers from her about RP (and yes, I know, I shouldn't be talking about RP). AWALT... Even the woman I love. LOL.

Aphoc · 2015-03-21T02:37:16+00:00

I think sex for men, is the same as validation for women

If men in general shat all over women and didn't give a fuck about them, they would be an even greater scourge than men, going for man to man in hope of some comfort and safety in their life and whoreing themselves out with their body, just like men whore themselves out with our validation and comfort today.

doveenigma13 · 2015-03-21T05:08:38+00:00

Tl;dr

Life is ONLY about sex on a fundamental l, survival, evolutionary level.

imNasty_ · 2015-03-21T06:41:38+00:00

I never had an issue attracting women and most of my relationships were pretty much initiated by them. My problem was that I didn't know how to keep them around and I'd eventually kill the spark by pulling out some beta shit. Back in high school I went through an asshole phase and after much success, I found myself asking why women only loved me when I was a dick.

TRP taught me why though and why I pretty much have to keep my finger on the eject button at all times. I pretty much had a hunch about most of the shit posted here but I can't thank TRP enough for constantly clearing everything up. Fuck all the femtards and thirsty whiteknights

Gnashtaru · 2015-03-21T08:57:57+00:00

I'm not a subscriber because I couldn't get laid. Far from it. I'm here for the same reason I subscribe to /r/mensrights. I'm sick of the one sided laws and man hating disguised as feminism. I got screwed so bad by the system. I see unfair bias in peoples comments on other sub's and it sickens me.

Sure this sub is mostly about "game$ and what it means to be a man. Bit the real underlying thread of commonality with all of us here is frustration over society.

Luckyluke23 · 2015-03-21T09:48:09+00:00

this post almost brought me to tears.

well done good sir. well done!

jafbm · 2015-03-21T11:52:33+00:00

I find something close to this "belonging" sense you speak of in music. When I play with others. Part of that is because of this thing that happens called "The Flow" (a psychological term that means that sort of zen state of mind you get when you're playing music). I don't get it doing anything else. There's something like it that I get when I work out or go for a long bike ride or a hike...all good things, but they don't include the closeness to other people that playing music does.

Eat_The_Muffin · 2015-03-21T12:23:51+00:00

No you've got it all wrong, red pillers do get laid because they use mind tricks to force women to have sex with them. Red pillers are effectively raping women using their evil sorcery.

These are the dicks you are looking for

#stoptherapepillers

TitsAndWhiskey · 2015-03-21T13:54:19+00:00

I've long ago stopped giving a fuck about people who have no credibility to begin with. They can tell me I'm a loser neckbeard struggling to get laid all they want. If they don't know me, wouldn't the most likely explanation for them saying that be that they're projecting? Maybe not their real self, but their poor self-image? The scariest monsters are the ones that remind us of ourselves.

From what I've gathered from this and other subs, I get laid WAY more than average. I'm literally here to learn how to avoid relationships. And I'd be willing to bet that's true for a lot of the older guys as well.

They keep trying to make it about "losers trying to get laid" so that they can preserve the power of modern relationship dynamics, and/or feel better about themselves even knowing that they're plugged in and on the losing end.

A blue pill woman will do anything to preserve the status quo. A blue pill man will do anything to reassure himself. TRP is a radical group. It goes against the status quo. Hate is inevitable.

s0und0fyell0w · 2015-03-21T19:20:10+00:00

this post cant possibly receive enough praise. and im sorry I cant really contribute to this, you pretty much said it all. kinda wish you would post this on purple pill debates just for the hell of it.

BluepillProfessor · 2015-03-22T01:23:00+00:00

RPS hits another one out of the park. This should almost be a link for the new people stopping by to read first.

We are indeed college professors, and lawyers and doctors and fishermen and plumbers and soldiers. We are the Red Pill. It's not that we hate women, but we understand them now and the truth informs our political and world views.

That is why they are so scared.

TRPKid · 2015-03-23T01:19:30+00:00

That part about sex is completely true.

It's the only thing that really makes you feel loved/a sense of belonging.

Great post.

chillmonkey88 · 2015-03-23T03:14:29+00:00

big·ot·ed

ˈbiɡədəd/

adjective

having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

"a bigoted group of reactionaries"

It's a board of logical ideas that are open to discussion that can be challenged or rebound by design to find logical meaning to things that can help a man and woman.

They aren't beliefs if they're proven true to the person.

I see it as a bunch grammar nazis and thought police on the Internet that feel that way...

As for intolerance... we call them how we see them... I'm not for inequality or want women to be enslaved by ideals as much as the next guy here. However tearing down one side to level the playing field isn't right either. So for anti-feminism banter, it's because of the injustices to men so they're addressed.

This sub has one of the best tolerances I've seen in terms of opinions on matters discussed. Almost anyone can jump in with what they think as long as it's an intelligent response and doesn't come across the lines of trolling or shaming insults.

I bet people think that because they disagree with something written here and when they replied they got down voted... but that's reddit.

Transmigratory · 2015-03-23T22:20:32+00:00

I can promise you that the people who say that tend to follow the same personality profile in more ways than one.

[deleted] · 2015-03-24T14:18:57+00:00

I started on sosuave and the people there helped me a lot. I had a very painful and destructive oneitis. Then TRP appeared.. and since then i truly believe that this is the only subbreddit where you can discuss rationally. The most frustrating thing is when you get downvoted to hell on certain subreddits because you asked a question or stated something opposing to "accepted" norm. The frustrating thing is that even discussing an issue is not allowed. It's like we always have to ask questions that could offend someone and wnd up discussing how cute cats and weather are.... Anyway i thank TRP for helping me improving relations with women. It also added to my life a lot of serenity and now women actually are attracted to me due to that (too late for that though i am on the MGTOW road and i don't care abt the world anymore.... Sadly enough....)

johngalt1234 · 2015-05-24T04:34:16+00:00

If acknowledging the existence of the dark side of female nature is misogyny. Acknowledging the evil side of male nature is Misandry.

[deleted] · 2015-05-24T18:34:05+00:00

If bettering myself, understanding myself, and taking a hard look at myself and accepting why I struggle in life make me a bigot then awesome! 3 years ago I deleted all my social media accounts, changed my number, and moved to a new state, where I knew no one, to go spend time by myself figuring out why I wasn't happy. I read self help books, entrepreneurial books, PUA books and so on. Things have dramatically changed in my life but it hasn't been enough to satisfy my hunger for who I know I can become.

I don't remember exactly how I stumbled upon this subreddit. When I first started reading I thought along the same lines as I'm sure many others have. I thought what a bunch of alpha male, meat head, douches. This is a bunch of guys just being assholes and disrespecting women and their feelings to get sex.

I thought back on my past relationships and how they fell apart and truths of the red pill/blue pill conundrum started ringing true. I started seeing why certain girls left me that I didn't want to leave and why I couldn't leave certain girls that I desperately wanted to leave but drew the breakup out for months and months.

I think deep down every man wants to help people, be kind, be generous, be loved, and respected. However my mother used to tell me that you can't help anyone if you don't help yourself first.

The red pill isn't about hating women it's about maximizing your own potential. If you're maximizing your potential you can't stand to be around people that aren't doing the same.

When men rant about women they aren't really ranting about women they are ranting about girls that haven't and aren't actively maximizing their potential. I can see why this would be frustrating for not just red pill men but for anybody that's worked hard to put themselves in a better place.

Accyu2 · 2015-06-09T00:37:15+00:00

There are a lot of women out there who also haven't had a lot of luck with dating. Probably in equal numbers to the men who come to the redpill feeling undesirable. Women also like feeling wanted. I think that's a human thing. Why don't red pill men seek these women out? There are lots and lots of them. They might not be a 10/10 (just like most guys can't be the incredible hulk), but a lot of them are sensible, smart, nice, good people. Shouldn't that count more?

[deleted] · 2015-06-20T05:27:43+00:00

He finds more than a physical release, he finds belonging and acceptance in sex. Sex for a man is knowing you are wanted.

I don't agree with this--or rather, I don't want to agree with this. I hate this idea that sex is the most important thing for us men. I hate the idea of being emotionally reliant on it. As long as we feel like we need sex, we will be at the mercy of the vagina (or the hand, or the onahole).

BurnYourFlag · 2015-06-26T14:49:18+00:00

Obviously anything against the feminist agenda is immediately considered sexist because women want the power. They want to be able to use there pussy to manipulate males. When they cant they lose the power. They wouldn't have to attack the red pill if it wasn't true and didn't work. They could simply ignore it move on and maintain the statas quo. The fact of the matter is through the red pill men are learning how to control the dating world and stop buying into the bull shit. When you stop buying into bullshit who gets mad? The one shoveling it down your throat. The lose of control over men is so baffling and so shocking that women will say we are oppressing them just by trying to be a equal individual free from manipulation. Every time I see some neurotic whiny women online crying about the lose of control over her man or how the red pill is so sexist I laugh because I know one more man discovered the truth and now the women has lost the control. It is music to my ears.

BurnYourFlag · 2015-06-26T14:52:35+00:00

"But life isn't all about sex! You guys are obsessed!" “Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.” ― Oscar Wilde he would disagree.

sterlinghtsmi · 2015-03-20T17:17:57+00:00

I have an amazing RPW and she barely knows it. She is a problem solver, a solution finder and never a weepy, oh lonesome me type Skank. I love this girl and she knows it. I respect her like no other. And I dominate her in the bedroom. She is a high earner, smart as fuck and I'm the one who controls the seriousness of the relationship...all of this....thanks to RP.

fend845 · 2015-03-20T18:28:00+00:00

The ones who spend all their time bragging about getting bitches are usually the ones who don't get many at all

VoidInvincible · 2015-03-20T18:47:20+00:00

Wow this is the best thread, and explanation of The Red Pill I've looked at in a very long time. Thank you very much for addressing this topic. Great post.

InfantSlayer · 2015-03-20T19:44:21+00:00

I like you girl, you hate what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand

[deleted] · 2015-03-21T13:18:27+00:00

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nrjk · 2015-03-21T01:25:39+00:00

More bigoted than r/coontown. Got it. Jeez.

SnoopKittyCat · 2015-03-21T07:49:37+00:00

When you are called a bigot nowadays it's like being called antisemitic, you know you start to touch the truth somehow and people are pissed to see their own truth.

[deleted] · 2015-03-22T14:29:02+00:00

I can't stand when some loser who sits at a computer all day whining on tumblr about "cis gendered men" thinks that free human beings (men) aren't entitled to casual sex or simply saying "hi" to a chick they find attractive. These people seriously live in la-la land. More importantly though…

WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO JUST ANY STRANGER ON THE INTERNET TELL ME I'M WRONG? WHAT MAKES YOU WORTH LISTENING TO? YOUR TUMBLR LOGIC? LOL! Tumblr activists simply can't understand the concept that you have to not be completely full of shit and insult people if you want people to listen to you.

Most women who enjoy a good time agree with TRP concepts without labeling them. They think that guys who don't know how to take what they want and "be sexy" are unattractive and "soft" I've had MANY MANY women confirm this over time.. All sorts of women from girlfriends, co-workers, platonic friends, even my own mother said to me "girls don't want to listen to your feelings".

I think being a jerk is kind of over-played and high school-ish. Being playful (teasing, joking around playful touch) is way better and goes a longer way. Getting a girl to do stuff for you too (giving you rides, cooking, grabbing something from the store for you while she's out etc..) turns them on because they "feel needed".

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-20T15:18:13+00:00

Marxism these days uses two different techniques.

The two branches are:

Racism
Sexism

. Any time you play into their lies they win.

Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism,Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism, Racism, Sexism...

You would think by now people get it.

Any time you hear those key words you just automatically check out because you know all that is coming at you are lies and manipulations. Just wake up to it.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T16:51:28+00:00

Of course this sub is filled with sexless people, its a place to change. People come here because they dont jave sex, ejat do you expect? The points hold, rp works, if you trully work on it, instead of just reading.

Vietnom · 2015-03-20T15:50:22+00:00

This is quite good. I hope the haters read it I think it will help them understand.

DreadLockedHaitian · 2015-03-20T16:51:40+00:00

When people say that shit, I get more inspired LOL.

cocaine_face · 2015-03-20T19:27:48+00:00

Interloper here!

I'll admit I have a bit of a morbid fascination with The Red Pill. I don't consider myself one of you but don't want to be. But I've realized that this place isn't the cesspool of boogie-men it's often made out to be (though like a lot of communities there are more than a few seriously awful people who populate this place). I've posted in here before and ended up in surprisingly reasonable conversations -- I expected cultists. Here's what I see:

1) It has to be said: the "Red Pill Manifesto" you can find on the side bar reads like it was written by a lunatic. I'm sorry, it does.

2) But really, a lot of that is putting common sense, innocent ideas into a weird, overwrought set of rules that presumes agency and motive where none exists. It's like this whole framework of keywords and theories of power dynamics, ulterior motives, etc., built to circle around an obvious point like "Women are attracted to attractive dudes more than unattractive dudes."

3) So it feels like the conspiracy theorists approach to relationships. Like, obvious things you just come to understand as you mature are approached as if they were talismanic secrets uncovered after years of study. It feels as if a wild-haired mad scientist were to run up to you with a sheaf of papers and explain to you in rabid patter this complicated theorem, pointing to his yarn-covered wall of scraps, and once you grasp what he's actually saying under the layers of rulesets and exposition, your response is: "Well...yeah, duh."

4) So, a lot of the concrete advice arrived at is actually fairly solid: focus on you, learn how to be happy with yourself, don't obsess over women or a woman, realize that ladies aren't magic, don't paint yourself into a worldview where you are weak and nothing. All good stuff.

5) But some guys aren't good with nuance. They'd internalized this view of women being powerful and dominant over them and wanted to escape. But instead of realizing this "power" was imagined, all they can replace it with is an attempt to take this "power" to themselves. They'd felt trapped, but instead of realizing the trap was illusory, they want to deploy the trap themselves. A comment above me says that one the things TRP does is help people "knock the women off their pedestal." But you're not "knocking them off" -- most often you're the one that put them there because you imagined the pedestal. Don't blame her for your delusion! Don't be angry at someone for your misconception.

6) These are the people who give The Red Pill it's bite and that people react to. The type who can only conceive of a relationship in terms of power and control, and want to be the ones in control. These people are creepy and dangerous, especially combined with the attraction of a conspiratorial worldview that lets them figure it all out.

7) If you cruise around here, you can see that undercurrent of malice all the time. "Women tried to trick me, but now I'm on to their game." And it's disturbing. People saying with a straight face that women as a sex are incapable of true honesty or nurturing. That is batshit. Maybe a woman lied to you, betrayed you -- sure, there are shitty people out there. But the world wasn't tricking you. Perhaps you harbored delusions about the world, but they were of your own making. And realize that your propensity for delusions may not have abated, you may just be replacing them.

8) So, maybe you were "beta." Maybe you were a "Nice Guy (TM)" who "put the pussy on a pedestal." Maybe coming here and reading this website snapped you out of it. Great!! Take charge of your life. But it might not be healthy to stay here and let this become a worldview, because you might start to fall in with the creeps.

[deleted] · 2015-03-20T15:39:21+00:00

Fantastic post.

Shankar_ · 2015-03-20T22:23:49+00:00

FUCK YES!!!

Perfectly written!

angeleus09 · 2015-03-21T03:54:17+00:00

Not gonna lie, when I first found this sub I thought it was a joke. A satire of /r/seduction reveling in its use of crude generalizations to tell stories of conquest that honestly didn't seem that impressive because they were nothing more than anecdotes whose only value came from being shared here and responded to by like minded individuals.

Perhaps that's all TRP really is: a safety net for those who succumb to personal deficits of confidence and self worth to connect with others sharing the same struggle. In that respect I say good luck to all and may the interactions or passive observations you have here help get you over those hurdles, you deserve it as much as the next person.

What TRP is or is not will always be in the eye of the beholder and you can either live with that our you can't. I will say this though: the problem most people have with "red pillers" aren't your results or your goals. Who gives a fuck if you want to be better at getting laid?

It's your doctrine of "x applies to all women because all women are y" and the way you encourage others to devalue individuals in general just because they were born with a different anatomy. It's so hypocritical it's comical. Most days I leave this sub positive that the name "the red pill" is some meta joke because the real red pill is realizing how counter productive most of these attitudes and practices are to successfully getting laid.

I_LIKE_YOU_ · 2015-03-20T14:39:48+00:00

It's a bit unnerving that every topic can be contorted to be about gender wars, sex, or White knights.

br00tman · 2015-03-20T17:46:45+00:00

There is surely an outspoken element of negativity that brands itself as trp, especially in other subs. But I think if you took the time to read what is actually accepted and agreed upon in this sub, you'd find that hate is very much against what trp is about.

And i believe that there are those here that may even feel that way, but do not represent us as a whole. I'm not one to take anything I read on face value, i try to find connections in what others say to experience in my own life, and some of what is said here makes sense. You can't take all of it, but you should never take all of anything you read anywhere. This is also another point that I have read stated and restated here.

I'm not anti women. I'm not anti feminism. I'm a true equalist, I don't think there's anything that the given man could do that the given woman could not, save impregnate another woman. That being said, we do operate and think differently. I don't see life as a challenge against women, but I do see life as a challenge. Trp to me is about being aware of your surroundings, and trying to negate the effects of other people on your mindset. Everyone wants themselves to be taken care of, and it's only natural that desires will clash. This is about not letting your desires fall under that crash, and eventually avoiding the crash all together.

Stythe · 2015-03-20T19:13:11+00:00

I find this subreddit both insightful and judgmental. I'll be the first to admit a lot of what gets said is sexist, whether it's meant to be or not. I can still learn from others experiences, however, and I take everything with a grain of salt. The amount of bashing women for riding the CC is absurd. To me, a person shouldn't care about the past if he's with someone he likes. You own the moment your in. If you want to sleep around but expect a pure woman, I don't feel that's even. But that's MY personal opinion.

Take the lessons that apply and shape them to YOUR values. That's how life works.

jenbrady · 2015-03-20T16:12:20+00:00

My only point of contention would be that you're social "outcastness" has been the result of the changing environment of the last 30 years. There have ALWAYS been men who struck out with women.

TRP might really help some people, but the TRP message is really just a re-statement of the most basic dating advice ever. Be good looking, work out, have confidence, get a good job. This isn't new stuff here. There is absolutely a sexist slant to the TRP, but that's also old hat. There's no magic going on here.

Snezby · 2015-03-21T00:18:49+00:00

From the creators of 'Feminism 2015!' bring you 'The redpill: A world where losers just cant win'

westsan · 2015-03-21T02:12:17+00:00

The key word your missing in this title is ...anymore. I think my assumption is we are all extremely study and just sick and jaded of the BS.

Hell_Brake · 2015-03-21T15:14:25+00:00

I am perfectly OK with being labeled whatever by people on the outside - because I keep to myself for the most part in life and I've consciously been aware of all that is wrong in our society, but never said anything to anyone.

It never felt right to accept a socially disheveled woman into my life. Every fiber in my being was screaming NO when a hot mess was presenting herself to be the perfect partner for me.

It doesn't feel right to watch men get emasculated because they are men - and label it as entertainment, for the purposes of obtaining 'retribution' for all the years women kept the home life in top shape, at the direction of 'the patriarchy'.

And, it certainly never felt right to accept poor health for myself and anyone else in my life. Being big is not beautiful - being big is, first and foremost, deadly. And it is ugly, especially when demands are made to accept it as beautiful. Being fat has morphed into being detrimental to the personality of the obese person, because they are told to demand other people respect and praise - at any cost.

Now is the time, through this sub and selective people in my personal life, to speak up and act when necessary, in the appropriate manner.

I will not be used and abused by someone / something that offers me nothing more than an illusion. And, I will not be used and abused by someone / something that has fallen significantly short in life and expects me to 'clean them up' and 'make them a better person'.

Sure, we are labeled as 'outcasts' because we refuse to bow down and accept this illusion.

Well, so be it.

We may not be 'free', as the top post here indicates, but we at least know we won't bend or accept the misery being sold by a very venomous and destructive institution (feminism) and being carried out by it's various subscribers and followers; betas and party girls.

JimProfitLeninist · 2015-04-24T22:50:09+00:00

The Red Pill is just an expression for seeing shit as it really is.

The fact is your go-too jab was "these men can't get laid". Why is that? Perhaps because a man's stature is defined by how many or the quality of women he can sleep with?

As if a man's life should revolve around women? What the fuck do women do for them or for anyone?

watersign · 2015-03-21T02:54:44+00:00

Women are so fucking stupid

[deleted] · 2015-03-21T21:59:56+00:00

Joined RedPill solely as a means of self-improvement. I don't give two fucks about women as people as I don't enjoy spending time with them unless it's for sex, however, I wanted to find new ways of bettering my social value and my own feelings of self-worth after years of being raised beta.
What better way to become an Alpha in your own regard than to read well-reasoned and well-researched anecdotes from other like-minded individuals?
Thanks RedPill, you're changing lives and changing the world one by one.

TekkomanKingz · 2015-03-20T15:28:49+00:00

When you get those legions of haters you know you doing it right mayne!!!!

We making it big!!!