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Men's RightsPSA: you can now be found guilty of sexual assault for being GIVEN a blowjob while YOU are blacked out out (self.TheRedPill)

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No the title is not hyperbole:

Amherst College expelled a male student who was accused of sexually assaulting a female student while he was blacked out. Again, while he was blacked out. The woman he allegedly assaulted was fully lucid.

tl;dr: chick takes roommate's boyfriend into her room, lays him blacked out on her bed and gives him a blowjob. At some later point he leaves. Two years later she accuses him of sexual assault and a college courts finds him guilty because he couldn't prove that she didn't retract consent during the act (no it doesn't make sense but it's what they said).

There really isn't much more to say about this.

Lessons learned:

  • not just the law but administrative regulations let women fuck you over so easily it's literally absurd

  • logic will never be enough to defend you against a rape accusation, you need some form of hard evidence of continued consent (morning-after texts are the easiest to obtain)


[–]Tarnsman4Life 112 points113 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Jesus H Christ, college has really become what the work place became 15 years ago. keep your head down because it is just not worth it.

One of the field crew guys at my company was fired because while on a job in a bank he held the door for a woman, smiled at her and said have a nice day. She complained to management, which threw a fit and the corporate flunkie we have running that part of my company fired the guy on the spot. He didn't ask her out, didn't say "damn nice ass", all that happened was a man whom a woman thought was beneath her dared to hold a door and say have a nice day.

Getting the postmortem from a guy on that crew I've befriended, apparently she was pretty smokin, 8.5/10, 25ish, white. The guy who was fired was average all around, middle aged and Mexican.

It is just about to that point now in colleges.

I hope some high profile colleges begin losing very high profile cases that cost them tens of Millions, maybe the college environment can still be saved but it is doubtful.

[–]BradPill 45 points46 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Hope your ex-colleague sued your company, the bank and that cunt - there should be money in there somewhere.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 27 points28 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Our company was basically subcontracting him from a large, national labor ready firm. He was our employee but he was technically on the books of the labor ready company(I have no idea why they do it this way, not my department.) Not only is he out his job at our company, he is permanently banned from doing any work for this very very large national labor ready type company. Unfortunately people in that position are often not sophisticated enough to know they have the resources you suggested above at their disposal.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Thats what happens without unions.

Dudes who have spent their whole lives doing actual work instead of figuring out the intricacies of the law get fucked because they have nowhere to turn for advice.

[–]BradPill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. In a sense that is how the system survives: if every sucker would stand up and fight blatant injustice via court, the economy would come to a screeching halt: not enough lawyers, not enough courts and judges and not enough funds to pay all the damages.

[–]MartialWay 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the old crime of "Reckless Eyeballing". A certain part of society (black people) were considered not good enough to talk to (or even look at) another class of people (white women). Now there are whole swaths of people that aren't considered "good enough" to talk to an an attractive young woman.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's funny because the crew my fathers part of the company runs has 2 young, single, very good looking black guys on it who pick up women OTJ all the time under similar circumstances. AF/BB/AWALT example.

[–]scruffist 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's an even older concept than "Reckless Eyeballing." Sumptuary laws from Ancient Rome and Greece and later Medieval Europe primarily defined what kind of luxuries (if any) each social class was allowed to buy and wear, but in practice that made it easy to identify who was below your class and discriminate accordingly. US slavery and racism turned the focus to black people for a while, but now things are ramping up across the board with social class regulation.

[–]whyalwaysm3 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously man it's ridiculous. The only thing my head kept saying when reading this article is "WHAT THE FUCK".

What a fucking joke.

[–]Keninishna 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well there you go a 25 year old hot white chick can get any Mexican fired if she wants to its her privilege

[–]sheplax10 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If that happened to me, I would look at my boss and say "no I'm not" because that's just fucking stupid.

[–]Tarnsman4Life 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy they have running that field service part of my company is a sniveling corporate America reject sadly who is all too happy to burn people over stupid shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like that lady was (probably) just a racist cunt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This really disgusts me. I wish it wasn't true, because it's such a grave injustice that an entitled, white 25 year old cunt can ruin someone's livelihood for no fucking reason at all. Unbelievable

[–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, I wanted to write a joke like "held the door for a lady today, being convicted for rape now" then I saw your message. What was supposed to be a story so fictional and ridiculous it would have been funny is in fact true.

[–]enkae7317 208 points209 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

This is like getting found guilty for theft when you're sleeping in your own house and a burglar breaks in and leaves you some cash on your kitchen table.

[–][deleted]  (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like the only logical response is to press rape charges against her now and then sue the hell out of the college for defamation of character. Fuck them.

[–]CaptainGloom 31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He should sue them until they have to withdraw budget from Gender Studies to support the sue

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol, no, make it a legal-precedent-setting "nuke" and go for the whole college budget to open peoples eyes to the actions of these kangaroo courts. Shut the bitch down permanently.

[–]newls 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You jest but I wouldn't be surprised if that has actually happened.

[–][deleted] 194 points195 points  (117 children) | Copy Link

Old story brah, but true nonetheless, rape is a tricky situation because it's often one person's word against another's, that makes the situation of innocent until proven guilty an important principle.

retract consent during the act

Feminist ideas of consent, she can retract consent during the act and if he stops it's still rape, she can change her mind after the event happened.

[–]wastagaswe 341 points342 points  (58 children) | Copy Link

Rape is actually pretty straightforward in the US, the woman wins.

[–][deleted] 187 points188 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

Rape is actually pretty straightforward in the US, the woman wins.

Step 1: Have consensual sex with a guy

Step 2: Feelings of regret for having casual sex start to creep in, there has to be a way to make someone else pay!

Step 3: Accuse said guy of rape after a long enough period of time has passed that no hard evidence (i.e. rape kit) would ever possibly be obtained

Step 4: Quiver lips and turn on the waterworks when the right people are looking

Step 5: Congratulations! You're a cunt who has successfully ruined an innocent guy's life because she couldn't keep her legs shut!

[–]SpeakerToRedditors81 points [recovered] (44 children) | Copy Link

This makes me never want to leave the house.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Your mom might accuse of rape for not taking out the garbage

[–]SpeakerToRedditors42 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm shocked I was not accused of rape while she was birthing me.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was a coalition of rape formed be you and your dad.

[–]putinbush101 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This thread made me have a solid belly laugh, thanks.

[–]Dopebear 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your penis touched all in her womb and vagina as soon as you were born. Literally born a rapist.

[–]synthrockftw18 points [recovered] (30 children) | Copy Link

Yeah..

My feelings now towards most women. It's a tricky thing but I have cameras all throughout my house, including my bedroom. Call me crazy, but if this whole rape thing gets brought up with me, I have video evidence of it all.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

HD webcams can be had for $30, and software to write video to the hard drive upon detection of motion is free (iSpy Connect). We also have smartphones equipped with HD cameras and microphones.

I'd like to start reading about guys who flip the tables on these bitches with some evidence to back them. At this point, if you get fucked by a woman and a college kangaroo court, it's your own damn fault.

[–]Strike48 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Love my ispy and eventghost burglar webcam setup. That shit sends me texts message pictures at motion detection and starts recording automatically as soon as it detects movement. Setting it up in the bedroom may not be the worst idea along with a microphone taped somewhere. Also, ever since about a year back when I started reading about the many ridiculous rape claims, I've made it a habit to take a pause before any action and enable the voice recorder on my phone. It only takes 3 seconds and doesn't ruin the moment so it's great. I have a 128gb microsd so I can record audio for fucking days and not be bothered. I'll never buy a phone that doesn't have external sd capability at this point. It eases my mind to be able to have some sort of protection. The condom alone is not enough anymore fellas. It's sad that men are treated as potential rapists and I feel annoyed that I have to take these extra precautions as if I was a rapist, but sadly that's how I'll be painted by society. A "potential rapist" that needs to record his sexual encounters to remain free of bullshit.

[–]ghostbrainalpha 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you perform cunnalingus bro?

You are going to need a separate consent form for that.

[–]SpeakerToRedditors7 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I should start doing this. I trust the average women as much as a Trust my government.

[–]synthrockftw4 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

There's software to turn older iPhones and androids into motion detected, noise activated cameras. There's lots of options now.

It's unfortunate that men have to resort to things like this to clear their names.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, this is probably information that should be on the sidebar. It sucks that we have to do this, but that observation doesn't change the reality of things.

I wonder what the feminists will dream up once men get reliably good at using video evidence to disprove bullshit allegations against them. They'll probably bitch that using cameras in university-owned dormitories is a violation of privacy or some such bullshit, if it isn't already prohibited.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

recording the act will be prohibited and you will go to jail anyway. kafkasque isn't it

[–]dewbiestep 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll make sure to come on to you outside of your room.

[–]betarex3 points [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

Unless they contain audio, and you are notifying them they are recorded it will probably get thrown out

[–]synthrockftw15 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

And also, it's all in my own home. If they enter my house, they subject themselves to that. It's not a phone conversation.

[–]xray7772 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Only if its posted. If not, after your rape trial (where the video footage will not be admissible because its illegal) you will have a trial on wiretapping charges, will handily lose, and get a few extra years in the clink.

[–]synthrockftw10 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

It is currently legal in every state to make a video-only recording of anything happening at your home, at any time, without informing anyone. The fact that the camera is hidden has no effect on this concept. If your camera is video only (no sound is recorded), then you can do whatever you like with it, in your own home (but be careful about accidentally recording things beyond that, like the street in front of your yard).

Audio recordings are a different story. While some states have no special laws regarding these either, it is illegal to record someone's voice without their permission in California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington State. The merchant selling the camera will likely be familiar with your state's laws concerning this, so be sure to ask before you buy anything.  

Wiretapping...? Into what? You're scaring people with fake info. You've never seen video of home burglaries, front porch invasions, or camcorder house events? With this logic, it's illegal to record audio with your camera phone inside or outside your home. Also, it's quite easy to not only disable audio, you can also provide video evidence with no audio.

Jeez, they even sell home camera security systems in Wal mart. If this were the case, and we're illegal, don't you think states and camera companies would have to notify their customers.

Video is good. Audio may be different in a few states, but the majority of states allow both in your own home.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

he may be miss informed or a good piece of sarcasm. If a camera gets someone off on a rape charge, they will ban video recordings too.

Remembers most guys on this form are situation alphas, betas and omegas in other words targets for exploitation. No one will care if you get screwed over.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

His house, one party consent is the legal requirement in all states but Maryland.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]veggie_girl 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The rules change when you're talking about surveillance recordings of your own private residence. Although there is precedent for having it thrown out if there is a certain expectation of privacy - e.g. if you put a camera in your bathroom.

[–]StandardKiwi 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With that attitude it probably will

[–]xray777-3 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

DO NOT DO THIS IN A TWO-PARTY STATE

If you are in a state that requires that both parties give consent for video/audio recordings, you are FUCKED if you do this.

The recordings will NEVER be shown at your rape trial. Its illegal evidence.

After your rape trial, and even if you win, you'll be handily sentenced to a few years in the clink on wiretapping charges.

TRP PLEASE STOP ADVISING EVERYONE TO VIDEO RECORD SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS. IN A LARGE PORTION OF THE MODERN WORLD YOU ARE JUST FUCKING YOURSELF HARDER.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course. Because AWALT. Women seriously disgust me.

[–]NecroticFury-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No this shit is deliberate and purposeful. They attack when he's at his weakest point to maximize their effect. Its absolutely despicable.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course. Women that have been westernized are the most despicable, filthy, disgusting pieces of shit to ever exist. Their selfishness is absurd. I want to believe that one day western women will pay for their crimes against men but I know that is highly unlikely. The pussy pass is too strong.

[–]fap_the_pain_away -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are not "westernized," they are liberated. This is their true nature.

[–]benjalum 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why haven't we replaced them with fembots yet? Honest question.

[–]Gorech1ld 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

100% honest? Super cereal?

Well I believe fembots are still being worked on. They're trying to make it so that it no longer has that uncanny valley feeling whenever you look at them.

Also, they can never fully replace women as long as we have not perfected the artificial womb and are able to place it into the fembots.

Personally, I really wish that every single men realized that most women suck and that they need to be replaced, and fully supported the creation and perfecting of the fembots. If every man on Earth got together and decided to replace women with fembots, I feel like it could be done possibly by the end of next year. I know it sounds impossible for it to be done in such a short time, but you gotta understand, most of what men do is just to get women. Even here on TRP, a lot of discussion is about what one can do to attract women. If men really thought that this fembot stuff could snag them the absolute literal flawless perfect 10/10, and put all their work into this, it could be done in such a fast time because of simply "MUH DICK".

Unfortunately, what'll likely happen is that women will eventually realize the threat of fembots and will go full retard over it, trying to do everything they can to ban them and stop any sort of progress in making them. The men in power will act like beta faggots and do as they wish because we live in a fucked up gynocentric society where men screw other men over just to possibly sate the insatiable women. Most women can't stand the average man, but they certainly can't stand the idea that the average man will replace them with something better. Just look at their reactions to men getting onaholes or sex dolls. They never like it when men fuck with Onaholes even though women brag about their dildos which is essentially the opposite of an onahole.

[–]jcrpta 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They'll be banned.

There's already been talk about devising a set of "rules" regarding what a robot can or cannot be designed to do, and I bet you anything you like that sex will go on the list of "things it cannot do" the minute some factory in China announces availability.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

meh cannabis has been banned for over 100 years never stopped anyone from smoking it.

It only has to be legal in one country which ships to the US and the black market will be huge and highly profitable.

[–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

....Well at least feminism discourages women from getting themselves into these little dilemmas!

...oh wait

[–]lodro 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a fairly important detail that this was a campus disciplinary action, not a US court of law.

This guy could not have been convicted of rape by law.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Titile IX and Title IX funding that's what. To protect that money the Unis will do just about anything to keep int flowing.

Also cute college girls are a protected privileged class with legal rights far above normal shlubs in peoples' minds and sympathies. Ever notice when a cute college girl goes missing its all over the news, a guy he had better be an Adonis or from a very prominent family or the cops will spend about 48-72 hours on that case before it goes back into the pile cases. Cute college girl goes missing, that case stays front and center for far longer.

[–]dewbiestep 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lawyer was here recently talking about this. The law does give you fair protection, but you can't afford it. You may get acquitted, but only if you bankrupt yourself.

And just the accusation is enough to damage your reputation forever.

[–]BradPill 41 points42 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Apparently 2 years later - how can anyone humanly ever remember what exactly happened? Of course, facts don't matter - only her hamstering it away for her roommate, throwing the guy under the bus - what's new here...

[–]kn0where 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

People have strong memories, but often they are distorted.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't tell you who I was banging regularly two years ago, much less a one-time deal.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You need to keep a journal of your success and failures in game.

Super helpful.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yea for all we know this girl could have been raping tonnes of guys.

[–]stawek 68 points69 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

It is not tricky in other cultures.

Muslims do not allow their women to be with a man alone. If she choses to be one on one with a man she consents. Simple as that.

What is happening in US is a process that is simplifying the law in the other direction: "if a man agrees to be one on one with a woman, he is sure about her consent. Simply being alone with a woman without her consent is equal to rape".

Make no mistake about this. This is basically turning most men into pariahs who will police themselves into never being with a woman. Mgtows are not the heroes, they are the first to conform, pay their taxes and leave the fucking to their betters.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting red pill perspective, the polar opposite reversal is glaringly obvious once you point it out.

[–]Troll_Name 17 points18 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Mgtows are not the heroes, they are the first to conform, pay their taxes and leave the fucking to their betters.

I've been waiting years for someone to come along and say this. That's what I've been thinking, but put into coherent words.

[–]cariboo_j 97 points98 points 2 (26 children) | Copy Link

bah. I don't call myself a mgtow but I listen to a lot of Stardusk and Barbarossa.

They're far more unplugged than this sub.

Defining your worth through impressing women into sleeping with you is a form of being plugged in. TRP definitely has a PUA/Traditionalist streak which defines masculinity through men's usefulness to women. Not through beta provision but how well they can stimulate the tingles and "be the captain". That is a form of utility.

Being "alpha" is still conforming to the preferences of women.

TRP spends so much time saying shit like "women are illogical, disregard their opinions, etc" but the bottom line is TRP still firmly believes a man's worth is measured by how attractive they are in the eyes of women (aka giving credence to their opinion).

The intelligent mgtows like Stardusk, Barbarossa, Colttaine, Niko Choski don't think avoiding sex with women is some achievement in itself. Some of them still engage in dating.

They just think there are metrics of worth and personal happiness other than fucking lots of women, and I'd agree with them.

Your reproductive drive is an impersonal force programmed into your brain by evolution. When you make it the centre of your identity you allow your instincts to control you.

TRP is a paradox: Stop giving a fuck and women will come to you. Project an air of alphaness and superiority and women will come to you. Acquire muscles and money, learn to be a leader and her emotional rock (all of which are objectively useful to female reproductive interests) and women will come to you. Be self interested (a trait which appeals to women, they want the alpha gametes in their uteri) and women will come to you. Oh and my favorite: be the perfect mix of alpha and beta to control her hypergamy yet make her feel comfortable, and she'll stay with you.

Once you do all that are you really not giving a fuck and self interested? Or are you still building your identity around what's attractive to women? Are you still jumping through hoops to get laid? To win the approval of women as a collective instead of just some individual woman?

Abundance mentality is better than oneitis, but it's still dependent on some woman somewhere finding you attractive.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Abundance mentality is better than oneitis, but it's still dependent on some woman somewhere finding you attractive.

Even if we were to disregard your points, this line hits home. This needs its own post.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

At its base, TRP is all about passive income of pussy vs. labor for pussy that most dudes engage in.

This makes sense, as almost no one ever becomes rich from earned income/income from labor.

TRP is about winning in the SMP. Not withdrawing from it like MGTOW.

If a dude can be content without pussy then go with god my son, MGTOW is for you.

However pretty much any dude I know who is on a bad dry spell is pretty miserable and begins acting strangely.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah you've misunderstood a few things about TRP.

They're far more unplugged than this sub.

Definitely, it's two people vs a group consisting mainly of reforming betas.

masculinity through men's usefulness to women.

Not at all, masculinity here are the traditional roles and attitudes of men, nothing to do with women, well a bit maybe, but it's more to do with history and individual preference.

Being "alpha"

Yes because being alpha is inherently linked to having high SMV, which includes traits such as dominance and masculinity, but is ultimately how attractive you are to women.

a man's worth is measured by how attractive they are in the eyes of women

No not true, a man's worth is not his SMV, his SMV is his worth in the sexual market, but this has nothing to do with him as a person.

They just think there are metrics of worth and personal happiness

We agree, but this is discussion of male sexual strategy, we don't say women are the only measurement of happiness, we say if you want to have women, here's how.

Your reproductive drive is an impersonal force programmed into your brain by evolution.

We're evolutionary psychologists, we believe everything is an impersonal force programmed into our brains by evolution. Everything you do has been defined by your genes as a chemical reaction to external stimuli, free will as negative liberty does not exist.

TRP is a paradox:

Life is a paradox, because ideological purity does not exist, TRP are bound by the rules of the game so are MGTOW, MGTOW simply choose not to play, that in itself is a choice made of free will, but still within the confines of positive liberty.

Stop giving a fuck and women will come to you.

Misconception, this is tactics versus strategy, this isn't giving a fuck so much as it's abundance mentality which is tactics, the tactic is not give any fucks about any individual scenario, because it's just one of many. The strategy itself is to care and to improve your game if things don't go well.

Acquire muscles and money, learn to be a leader and her emotional rock (all of which are objectively useful to female reproductive interests) and

Actually we say this because we're somewhere in between PUA and MGTOW, you don't actually have to do any of that to get laid, you only need to learn game. But doing these are typically enjoyable to men as we inherently enjoy competition because of our lizard brain and they do boost SMV.

Oh and my favorite: be the perfect mix of alpha and beta to control her hypergamy yet make her feel comfortable, and she'll stay with you.

This is true because in works in individual cases, what happens is if a woman feels you are not committed to a relationship, she'll want look for someone who is, because her lizard brain is telling her she can't be responsible for 9 months of feeding herself while relatively immobile and then raising a child without a provider, which is right. This part of sexual strategy if you want a LTR, it has nothing to do with you as a person.

Abundance mentality is better than oneitis, but it's still dependent on some woman somewhere finding you attractive.

So what? It's male sexual strategy, besides we don't say abundance mentality is your worth as a person, we say if you want a successful sexual strategy abundance mentality is a part of this.

[–]stawek 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not saying that mgtow are bad in any way nor quetioning their intentions.

They think what they like, they can be unplugged more than trp, indeed.

However, my opinion stands: mgtows are conforming to and supporting the status quo. They stay away from women but still work on themselves and their wealth, meaning they pay lots of tax. Tax and big government is the root of the problem, women who want to keep away subpar men are part of the problem. This means mgtow do not hinder feminists in anyway, on the opposite they are the exact people feminists want to see in the future. "Pay tax, work for my benefits and don't cockblock my Chad you filthy omega"

[–]OilyB 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is pretty intriguing theory, /u/cariboo_j. Where can I find more about it? Care to help me out?

[–]cariboo_j 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Deconstructing Game and PUA

A Tale of Two Cities, or a Tale of Male Disposability

PUA Roissy on MGTOW

Are humans' mate selection preferences optimised for modernity

These aren't specifically referring to TRP subreddit but they have influenced my thought.

Basically traditional archetypes of masculinity have always been defined as what is useful to women. Whether it's alpha, beta or omega these are simply roles that males have filled in the sexual marketplace.

The idea of MGTOW is to break free of this paradigm and define one's self independent of what is useful to women.

That could mean dropping out of the game entirely or realizing that the rules are mostly arbitrary in the sense that our mating preferences were forged in a prehistoric environment which is no longer relevant and the rules of the sexual marketplace are mostly dictated by women since eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Yes, even "alphas" are subject to selection by women. They must prove their worthiness to be extended the Alpha Fux deal in the sexual contract.

Whichever path a man chooses is no better or worse, but the point is to realize that even if he is successful in getting women to offer him the Alpha Fux deal as opposed to the Beta Bux deal he is still a hamster running on a wheel.

I highly recommend watching the first two videos.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The idea of MGTOW is to break free of this paradigm and define one's self independent of what is useful to women.

Unless you are a bad mother fucker who lives off the land in Alaska, you cannot completely break free MGTOW style. Sure you aren't playing the dating game, you are still getting exploited and taken advantage of in other ways. The more beta you are in peoples eyes the more ripe for exploitation you are. TRP applies to more that dating.

[–]cariboo_j 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think the whole "take initiative, be proactive, don't get sucked into other's frames, be mentally centered" part of TRP is great advice.

I'm just saying the PUA/Traditionalist streak in TRP is still plugged in because in order to be a player, or be the captain, you need to play a role that is useful to women and feeds into their hypergamy.

Just remember if you're passing shit tests left and right and have women lining up to date you... this is a pleasant distraction at best. Women are fickle and solipsistic and will never care about you outside of what you can do for them. Give their opinions exactly ZERO weight when assessing your self esteem. You're not necessarily a better man for meeting women's selfish criteria of what they want in a partner.

It's a subtle distinction, it's more about your own sense of self than any outward actions.

Someone could be following the alpha male ideal to a tee but still need the approval of women deep down, and thus feel empty and dissatisfied. Or someone could be living an ascetic mgtow ghost lifestyle, a total loser by traditional metrics of success, but feel 100% free and satisfied.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Game was the major cause of black on black violence in the hood

Hahaha, omfg white people, really? Really?

I take back what I said about them being unplugged, this guy has apparently never left his middle class neighbourhood.

Violence in the ghetto is as more or less what the majority of violence throughout history was about, economics. Poverty simply drives up the need to make cash, thus they do as men do, and take what they need, thus drug dealing, pimping and other forms of crime all escalate.

To actually think that all this violence in the ghetto is over game which is just a sideshow, not even exclusive to the ghetto, shows me how sour this guy is over the dating market.

[–]cariboo_j 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Actually Barbarossa is black lol. Not that it should matter.

Even Thomas Sowell noted that welfare was primarily responsible for the breakdown of the black family unit and it's accompanying rise in crime and poverty. Rates of crime and children born out of wedlock skyrocketed after welfare reforms in the 1960's.

Men can't trade their resources for commitment sex so they use "game" instead.

It's a symptom, not a cause.

His point was that using game and PUA tactics is a symptom of a female dominated society where women have the upper hand in the SMP and do all of the sexual selection. Therefore game is gynocentric. Male vs male dominance hierarchy competition is gynocentric.

Again, this is only relevant to the PUA/Traditionalist streak I notice in TRP, not necessarily every single post ever on TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men can't trade their resources for sex so they use "game" instead.

Despite a ho on every street?

that welfare was primarily responsible for the breakdown of the black family unit and

Make that every family unit because women essentially marry the state, but this has nothing to do with game, that's modern politics.

Really we are talking men can't trade their resources for commitment, but game has always been in effect because at every level there is essentially a point where your resources don't differentiate you as a person, be it your high school or workplace both places with game, there will be a bunch of men with around the same level of resources to provide. Game did not originate in the ghetto, and the argument that welfare has caused it is fairly shortsighted in that it doesn't look into history, because in history there was game, furthermore before modern day politics until a woman got married she had no job, she would wait around at her parents until she got married and this in essence provides the same sort of economic safety net welfare does.

Yes game does pander to women to some extent, but ultimately it's male sexual strategy and is aimed at increasing the man's power in relationship. Furthermore game does trump resources, so even in situations where men compete through resources, game still occurs.

Ultimately game is an important part of male competition as it's a drive for what makes a successful mate, if you're going to claim it's unhealthy competition every competition is unhealthy especially economically because we should all get enough money to live on, but the world doesn't work like that.

[–]cariboo_j 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So called patriarchal societies would pair off one man to one woman.

We see this in modern India and China where betabux behaviour is heavily rewarded. Women's families pair them off with hardworking NiceGuystm because it's better for social stability, even if they are unattractive dweebs that don't moisten any pussies.

The point of his video (how I interpret it anyways) is that guaranteed income for single mothers has distorted the sexual marketplace. They are free to pursue only Alpha Fux cads with no thought as to whether or not they will be good dads. Men in turn use game and PUA tactics in an effort to appeal to the baser elements of women's hypergamy.

The problem isn't game in itself but excessive amounts. Men are too busy being bad boy cads instead of hardworking beta providers.

This problem isn't unique to the African American community, rates of single motherhood are rising in all ethnicities. It just happened in the African American community first because they were poorer and therefore received more welfare.

Basically he's saying that when women are given free reign in partner selection they will go for the bad boy cads, men will respond to this and stop producing wealth and inventing shit.

In the larger context of his work, this isn't a call back to traditional gender roles but merely an observation. The conclusion is that excessive amounts of game is a sign that women's hypergamy is running the show.

In today's marriage climate men have to spend a lot more time pandering to and managing women's hypergamy because they hold more power in the marriage contract.

The question is do you want to spend all that time and effort managing what is essentially an irrational, short term oriented impulse? Another way of putting it would be is successfully manipulating women's hypergamy (which TRP is essentially a manual for) the pinnacle of manliness that we should build our identities around?

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[–]cariboo_j 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a picture of Stardusk not Barbarossa

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Society is made up of men and women. You cannot completely go mgtow and get away with it unless others see you as "worthy" someway. Your boss, coworkers or employees may be female. If you aren't "worthy" others will exploit you for resources, anything from scams to welfare taxes.

[–]cariboo_j 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, don't let people take advantage of you.

My point is you don't have to be constantly approaching and spinning plates in a compulsive fashion.

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard for passing shit tests either.

If you get too much of an ego boost from pandering to women's hypergamy, you're playing the game by their rules.

[–]Eugenics2015 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, societies tend to over-correct in one direction or the other.

The more you realize this the more you understand how stupid the human species is.

[–]BradPill 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So how do you get proof of her consent - and keep it - ie, even during sex, doing something she might feel uncomfortable about (say anal), that she later hamsters into rape?

Maybe she should bring a wing-woman, to remain present during the act, as a witness....

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Your gambling that your woman is 4 or 5 crazy and not higher. Or that her mom, friends, or woman's studies class don't inspire her to redefine the encounter

[–]BradPill 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe secretly record it - which is not always legal either - and perhaps hard to remember and manage when you're blacked out.

[–]Strike481 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather take an illegal recording charge than a false rape charge, but I wonder if the recording would not stand in court due to it being an illegal recording... Hmm.. Anyhow, I live in Arizona and audio recording here only requires a 1 party consent so I don't need to tell anyone that I'm recording and it's legal.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The standard of evidence needed to clear your name vs the standard of evidence needed to convict you in a court of law is different.

However, in a court of actual law, none of these cases get anywhere (usually). It's the bullshit Title IX (guilty till proven innocent) cases in universities that are the problem at the moment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo. Unfortunately these kangaroo courts can destroy you economically by destroying your reputation. That bad rep blocks access to college or post college jobs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't worry about it, the threat of exposure would give you huge leverage. The court doesn't like being discredited in eyes of public, and the accuser doesn't want to see her lying ass online for all her Facebook friends to see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes you can only record evidence so that her word is countered. A female word is valued as evidence in court.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A good idea is usually to be sweet or cuddle with her a bit after (to make her feel good about the encounter and not slutty), and then on your way home, text her something that will get her to respond positively.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whilst I don't disagree, what else would your expect? Self-preservation is the most basic rule of nature. When all other avenues appear exhausted, it's always the fallback

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Muslims do not allow their women to be with a man alone. If she choses to be one on one with a man she consents. Simple as that.

Oddly enough, it's pretty much that way in Japan as well.

[–]Juankii 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So help me understand (gonna use hypothetical ) so I bring a date home for a magical evening, have sexy time we part ways. For a/b reason she regrets it, doesn't pan out. She never withdrew consent in person but after she leaves she can still call rape?

[–]BridgetheDivide 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're using a condom make sure you have her put it on you so her fingerprints will be on it. Don't be afraid to have a lot of foreplay, just rub yout cock against her slit and ask her "are you ready?" In no uncertain terms and rock her world. Unless her friends and social circle find out, the only kind of sex a girl regrets is the bad kind. If you are letting her stay over or you're staying over make her a quick breakfast and then leave. You don't want her feeling like a number. Even Mike Tyson said if her had just called girls back or taken them out for breakfast he would not have gone to jail. If you have to leave (or just want to) just text her "I had a good time last night" unless you were lame she will likely respond "I did too! We should try it again sometime..." A little vulnerability will save you plenty of headache later. And SAVE THE TEXTS. There are plenty of apps that archive your texts. As has been mentioned there are a few cheap hd audio cameras you can get online. If you still feel at risk. And I don't know you can have your lawyer draw up a consent contract or castrate yourself and go to a monastery or something. Don't let fear prevent you from taking action. Just protect yourself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As far as title IX is concerned you committed rape and no you cannot have a lawyer present at your hearing. Denial proves guilt.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depends on what country you're in, for example the exact same scenario you're describing is how they got Assange in Sweden. Naturally in Sweden they have feminist rape laws, which is why they have such high rates of "rape",it's not actually immigrants, it's feminists because unwanted advances also count as rape.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's not actually immigrants

The number of women hospitalized from their "not a rape" with immigrants would beg to differ.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say immigrants don't commit crime or aren't more likely to commit crime, I said the reported rape rates in Sweden are so high because sexual assault to the level of unwanted advances are considered rape, not because of immigrants. The actual rates in Sweden are impossible to measure due to the loose definition of rape.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is another ridiculous TitleIX case that could be easily overturned with a proper lawyer rather than the kangaroo court of the college itself.

It's also old news, the case has been well covered here at TRP.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Something similar happened to a friend while I was working out West. My buddy was black out drunk/high for his first time and a girl messed around with him in his room.Then the next day she was telling everyone that she felt bad for doing it/taking advantage of him. and my friend barely remembered so we basically had to sit him down and tell him about it and he was clearly embarrassed and didn't want to talk about it. (It's also worth mentioning this girl was basically our supervisor) So now that she spread the word herself cause she felt bad, everyone's kinda thinking "wow how shitty what a slut" but my buddy was too ashamed to even talk about it. But one day soon after she finds him at work and confronts him and yells at him saying "Why are you telling everyone I'm a slut?!" And he's like "I didn't ..." Because he really didn't. She eventually got the cops involved I'm not sure how or why because he didn't do anything to her but they were asking to talk to him and we figured she was gonna try and flip it and say he took advantage of her. So me and my buddy also talked to the cops and tried to clear his name. In the end, you know what the cops did? They gave my buddy a choice of continually working with her as his supervisor, working at a different part of the park, or quitting. How shitty. Turns out later we found out she was like a snitch for the cops and was ratting on people the entire time, probably why nothing happened to her...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is fucking insane. I always think the cops will look at the circumstances, especially when you guys are trying to explain what really happened, and reasonably tell the girl to fuck off — but that's obviously not the case.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude honestly, this all happened when I was working out in Yellowstone National Park and all this crazy shit happened out there with the Rangers/Cops. You could just write me off as exaggerating but I'm the type of person who gives the cops the benefit of the doubt. They didn't take the situation seriously at ALL. They only focused on arresting people. They arrested/charged about 1/3 of the room attendant crew I was working on. I kid you not. They would spy on people through their windows in the dorms and catch under age drinkers, even in girls rooms with them being guy cops! And charged people with stuff. They say outside their rooms with breathalyzers. So many things happened out there I wouldn't know where to begin. I was just flabbergasted by the what the "Law" was doing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Like you, I give cops the benefit of the doubt — this anti-police trend annoys me — but crazy things happen man. It sounds like in Yellowstone they had nothing better to do than screw up people's lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give copper any benefits, they are human like the rest of us .Some good, some really bad, most fair to middlin'. In other words if enough pressure from above hits them they do what they are told. You need to know how the political winds in your area are blowing.

[–]Bargh9 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Rape is the crime where you are guilty until proven innocent.

[–]BradPill 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Rape is the crime where you are guilty until proven innocent

[–]KartagoPill 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Males are always guilty, because patriarchy made homes for wyminnz.

[–]spock3927 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy Link

US RAPE RULES: Rule 1; The woman always wins. Rule 2; If the man wins, see rule 1.

(Hopefully this guy prevails against the college...and walks away laughing.)

[–]lodro 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. In court, he would never have been convicted - wouldn't even have gone to trial. By law, he was raped if anything.

US law is actually fairly reasonable about rape, although the process may not always be. In my state, you can't be convicted of rape if you had a reasonable expectation of consent, for example (it doesn't have to be verbal, and it doesn't matter if she withdraws it unless she communicates that withdrawal).

This article is about a campus disciplinary action, not a court. It's an important distinction.

[–]no_face 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The real lesson here is that you can drink enough to enjoy yourself, but should never get so drunk that you black out.

My personal policy is that I never drink enough that I cannot legally drive if I ever need to get out. This can be easily done by pacing one drink per hour.

[–]Stythe 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remindes me of a Married with Children episode where someone breaks into the Bundy's house and Al, asleep on the couch, reaches out and grabs the robber's butt as he's bent over in front of him stealing crap off his table. The thief then takes him to court for sexual harassment, despite robbing him. As I recall, the episode ended with Al punching the dude in the face in court and as the credits roll, he declares that the court system "Finally worked out for me, because I sued that guy for hurting my fist on his face."

Anyway that's fucked up. This can't last forever. Things always have a way of evening out. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes a war to do that, ahah...

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Was he actually "passed out" (unconscious) or "blacked out" (can't remember due to drunkenness)?

Big difference between the two.

[–]morphite65 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He probably browned out.

[–]dingman58 42 points43 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, there is a lawsuit against the rape accuser and the case is quite strong. Did you guys even read the article? Quoting The Washington Examiner’s Ashe Schow:

"This is one of the few cases where we have an actually good idea of what happened the night in question. Doe accompanied the accuser (who was Doe's girlfriend's roommate) to her dorm room. The accuser performed oral sex on a blacked out Doe (Johnson notes that even the Amherst hearing found Doe's account of being blacked out "credible"). Doe leaves. The accuser then texted two people: First, a male student she had a crush on — whom she invited over after a heavily flirtatious exchange earlier in the evening. Then, a female friend.

The accuser said during her hearing that she only texted one friend to help her handle the assault as she felt "very alone and confused." But her texts with her female friend give no indication of an assault. Rather, the accuser texted her friend "Ohmygod I jus did something so fuckig stupid" [sic throughout]. She then proceeded to fret that she had done something wrong and her roommate would never talk to her again, because "it's pretty obvi I wasn't an innocent bystander."

She also complained that the other man, who had come over after the alleged assault, had taken until 5 in the morning to finally have sex with her.

The accuser found herself friendless after the encounter, when her roommate discovered what she had done.

Between the encounter with Doe and the accusation — nearly two years later — the accuser developed new friends. And as it happens, these new friends were all "victims' advocates."

So it's not all doom and gloom here

[–]1thiasus 80 points81 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Did you guys even read the article?

So it's not all doom and gloom here

I'll return the question to you, did you even read the article? The guy was thrown out of college over a completely ridiculous accusation when he was the obvious victim if there was one. He lost money there, most likely reputation, and now has to pony up for lawyers to try to get compensation from the accuser, who has so far gotten away with everything except losing a few friends. He might see compensation enough to pay his lawyers and have a meaningful sum left over, or he might not.

He wasn't castrated on her word, no, but he suffered severe consequences over an accusation so ridiculous as to boggle the mind. Whether you consider that doom and gloom is up to you; personally, I decidedly would not want to be going through American university right now.

[–]dingman58 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes and having attended UMass Amherst right down the road from Amherst college, I am intimately familiar with this incident and the fallout the guy faced.

You are correct that it's fucked this guy got kicked out of school and had to go through all of this, but there is some sense of reason and justice coming. The real travesty is that this is an unusual case in that there is clear evidence the guy was innocent. Most cases of false accusation are unfortunately lacking any supporting evidence on either side and too often women are believed over the men "because equality" or some hogwash.

[–]Magnum256 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess the real question is why the guy got fucked around in the first place. Even if he wins a suit against her and gets some kind of cash payout I doubt it would compensate him for the blow to his reputation and having to deal with getting kicked out of college for a sex crime, shit he could win $100-200k and I'd still call that a bad deal for him.

Point is the laws (and society) have to change, the courts can't be so quick to condemn someone when there's reasonable doubt involved and this whole concept that it's cool or trendy to be a victim and how these girls who make up stories or misconstrue the facts are validated into thinking they're helping feminism needs to stop.

edit: I honestly pray for the day where we have some kind of widely used lie-detector type device that's admissible in court to settle this kind of shit; hook person A and person B up to the machine, have them speak (or think, depending on the technology) their piece, and presto you've got an automatic Minority Report style verdict, no lawyers, no jury, just the objective truth.

[–]mattyjd 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"the blow to his reputation" nice one

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not a court its an administrative disciplinary procedure. A kangaroo court to be sure, one that can destroy someone economically.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

edit: I honestly pray for the day where we have some kind of widely used lie-detector type device that's admissible in court to settle this kind of shit; hook person A and person B up to the machine, have them speak (or think, depending on the technology) their piece, and presto you've got an automatic Minority Report style verdict, no lawyers, no jury, just the objective truth.

It wouldn't work. You don't have to lie to tell a falsehood. Also, women are hard wired to believe their own bullshit. After 2 years of telling herself that he raped her, I have no doubt that she actually believes it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if he wins, she may not have any money to go after. Blood from a stone type of thing. His best bet to collect anything at all is to go after the university, deeper pockets.

[–]Statecensor 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Big deal he is suing the woman who lied about him raping her. She is still a college student far as we know. That means that she is most likely completely penniless with nothing for him to sue her for. The people with the big pockets would be the university itself not the student. So even if he wins the case against her its not like he will get jack shit from someone without a job and in debt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its as simple as suing the school as well for conspiring with this woman, and its proven by how swiftly he was dealt with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A school has deep pockets and tie this up for decades. The school has a lot of incentive to keep Title IX money flowing, so you get the kangaroo courts. The cost, the sacrifice of a few privileged male college students no one likes anyway.

[–]wanderer779 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

so basically this case is a good illustration of what legal experts have been saying which is that rape is a serious crime that should be tried in a court using the presumption of innocence standard.

From what you said it sounds like this girl might have been crying rape to protect her reputation or maybe to improve her chances with the other dude she was chasing. But I didn't read the article.

[–]real-boethius 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

PSA: Don't get drunk.

Seriously keep your eyes and ears open for a while and you will notice that bad things happen when people are drunk.

Yes it can be fun but it can also ruin your life.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Side note: You lose to this type of shit if you are broke and don't have money for top-notch lawyers.

Fairly obvious, don't be broke ever.

Source: I have spent at least 100k on lawyers defending from false accusations (nothing related to a woman).

[–]BradPill 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most students are already broke... they have no counsel-piggybag. Perhaps a new market for lawfirms: legal insurance (a monthly fee). In case of a rape-accusation, they go after the college-coffers (the schools now needing insurance as well).

[–]blue_27 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a massive waste of money. I'd rather buy another boat.

[–]1thiasus 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a massive waste of money.

That sounds like massive savings. 100k to defend you in a case that might have cost you millions is pocket change.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not at all. Worth every penny. You want winners on your team, then you are going to need pay.

Just the cost of doing business.

[–]blue_27 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well, at least your lawyer is happy. Personally, I'd rather NEVER talk to my lawyer, and I'd rather have a happier accountant than attorney, but hey ... to each their own.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Using any reputable law firm is cost-prohibitive for most. Associates start around $300 an hour and partners could be in the higher end at $800ish.

The point of my comment is to focus on winning and working with the best. Could I have hired someone cheaper. Yes. Hiring the best is another question.

Personally, I feel this ties to lack of abundance mentality. It's a freak out at the price tag and not focusing on value. The cost of losing that case would have been drastically more.

[–]blue_27 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Understood, and hooyah to you for winning your case.

I find the best way to win, is not to play. I HATE court. I really don't like lawyers that much either. My family has a one on retainer, and I use him as little as humanly possible. And yeah, he is expensive as fuck. Win or lose.

I'm not suggesting to not use the absolute best. Fuck yes, you want winners in your corner. All winners do. I just prefer to stay as far removed from the legal system as I can. The only "winners" there are the attorneys.

[–]TheOpposingView 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

He just wants someone to ask how he can afford it. Too bad for him no one gives a shit.

[–]vox_veritas 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. "Please let me bragsplain this for you."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you on that regard. Somethings are unavoidable without hindsight.

It's horrible to be put in a difficult situation, like this kid getting accused of rape, and not having the means to defend yourself.

This wasn't meant to be some sort of brag, like others have suggested. I referenced how I got out of a tough-jam because having the means to defend myself.

What about less fortunate souls? Shit out of luck.

[–]steelerfaninperu 15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sigh, I'll say it again: Leave America.

You can study elsewhere for pennies on the dollar compared to the US, and since most employers don't really give a shit where your degree comes from, it's not going to hinder you. Study abroad and learn another language, you'll be more valuable in the working world if you come back to the US, and more valuable everywhere else anyway.

You'll spend less, have more free money (even if you earn less than you would have in the states), and best of all no anti-male bullshit.

[–]faded_jester 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What planet do you live on that you think this an option for most people? If you already have the money to just pick up and decide to move to another continent then college fees probably aren't that big a worry to you.

I like your little passive aggressive "sigh", as if this is wisdom that people are simply to stupid to understand.

This is my impression of you:

"Sigh, I'll say it again: Invest money you don't have on options you also don't have. Why is this so hard for you to do?"

How about helping out with ideas that don't presuppose you already have thousands in savings just waiting to be spent.

Edit: I didn't mean to come across so self righteous and I apologize for that. If you do have the money it could very well be a great idea to do what steelerfaninperu suggests.

[–]Veqq 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a lot cheaper and easier than staying. My last ticket to the US (for this Christmas) cost $200. My monthly living expenses cost a little more than that abroad, for that matter.

[–]steelerfaninperu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spent approximately $3000 to move to Peru. That was enough to cover a one way flight ($700 with extra bags) and four month's rent ($500) plus living expenses ($1200) and a little extra for incidentals.

I could have gotten a job right away but took a few months to see the country. I got a job immediately after I started looking and was earning about $800 a month with expenses around $500.

It's not that hard if you do it right.

Edit: I'm not saying you need to leave right this instant, but just about everyone reading this can save up $3k in a few years and do it. Granted, some people can't because they're already tied down, but this was a post about college. If you're old enough to consider college, you're old enough to live at home, save up $3k in less than a year, learn another language, and move to another country.

Consider the audience I had in mind when stating this. It's not a blanket statement.

[–]morphite65 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

slightly relevant, but are you in Peru? if so how is the sociopolitical climate there?

[–]steelerfaninperu 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Been living there since 2009.

Economically it's American neoliberalism with more restrictions that are less enforced, which means it's caked in bureaucracy, but it has a certain flexibility . In practical terms, it means that a white skinned native-English speaker can get hired at a great place without a degree, even though he had to turn in all kinds of paperwork just to get hired.

One over-arching rule applies to everything: Justice goes to the highest bidder. If you get screwed out of a paycheck, you'd better hope you have the time/resources to bribe someone to care. If someone robs you in the street you'll never see your stuff again, the police barely bat an eyelash. Fortunately those problems occur infrequently to people in the mid-upper classes.

Socially speaking it's Catholic, but only on the surface and most people don't care. Individualism is less important than family, and men dominate. Women are content with having kids and staying home with them, although the higher cost of the city and lower cost of labor means that your woman can go to work, earn $1000 a month, give $300 of that to a nanny, and your kid has full time care while you earn some gravy.

Whereas in America we have a catch-22 situation for women: You can have a career, or a kid, but not really both at the same time. You'll have to sit out for a while when you have your child. In Peru they can have both.

Also, women never fuck men over. Virtually all the lawyers and judges are men, if a woman even tried she'd get laughed out of court. Child support is non-existent. Even if a woman presented a good case, the richer man could easily bribe it out of the courts.

There is no politically correct culture, which is awesome. You see a black guy, you call him "negro". It's perfectly fine.

Biggest downside is that people are uneducated, over half haven't finished school. That's getting better, but poor migrants from the mountains come to cities and have no idea how to behave properly in an urban setting, and so we have a vicious cycle of shitty behavior that has yet to be corrected. Piles of trash in streets, the worst driving you'll ever see, a general "fuck you, all about me" attitude.

So the educated/well behaved segregate themselves in better communities and live happily ever after while the rest try to figure it out.

Sorry for the long post. There's a lot that can be said. But if you're an intelligent educated American you'll come down here and be better than about 90% of the population at what you do.

[–]morphite65 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. My dad was born in Peru and I wondered what it was like today.

[–]break_main -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. While there are a lot of reasons i would love to visit peru, you make it sound awful. Bribery, bureaucracy, uneducated people, everyone is Catholic, no child support or protection for women...

You sound like you would really enjoy Saudi Arabia, like "Guess what guys! Women can't accuse you of rape unless there were four witnesses! Its open season boys!"

[–]steelerfaninperu -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck you. I gave a general overview of the country, but I live extremely well here. Like I'm in the top quintile of income and live in one of the top 5 neighborhoods. I avoid those problems for the most part. I'm not here because of women, I'm here because it's the best thing for me. I live better here than I would in the states, not having to deal with SJW bullshit is just icing on the cake.

And the "no protection for women..." apparently you didn't read. I only mentioned that they can't fuck men over in court or elsewhere with bullshit lawsuits like they do in the states. False accusations never happen here.

Women get 4 months' paid maternity leave, the government pays you to feed the kid for the first year, and we have universal health care to boot. They're in better shape than in the US in those categories.

[–]J_AsapGem 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

stories like these make me think MGTOW..

[–]improvingme63 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Certainly gives the MGTOW boys more reason to go that way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not trying to be a contrarian pest; but even if you go MGTOW a woman's fabicrated story + tears = she must be telling the truth in the eyes of A LOT of idiots out there.

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You cant avoid all risks. You might get hit by a bus as well, thats not a reason to avoid leaving the house. Just minimise risks as best you can and find ways to videotape everything.

[–]A419a 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even MGTOW isn't perfect because she can still accuse you and it is guilty til proven innocent.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She can rape you any time of the day, and she's still the victim.

[–]BridgetheDivide 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My greatest fear is being tried by a jury of my "peers".

[–]metalhead4 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I fucked my girlfriend the other night after she came to my house all drunk from the bar. I was down to just sleep but she was horny so she convinced me to have sex with her. In the morning she hardly even remembered having sex with me and we went at it for like 45 minutes. She wanted it. She instigated it. She doesn't have any regrets about it. She said she kind of remembers getting screwed doggy and sucking my dick at the start. But did I technically rape her because I was sober? No. I didn't. She had sex with me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Technically you did rape her, she was drunk and couldn't consent. Fortunately for you she got what she wanted and left it at that. Not white knighting that's the way a DA could see it and sway a jury.

[–]anooblol 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's take a step back for a second and look at this.

This is college court. The college legal system is very different from real life. Don't think for a second this guy is now a sex offender, and his life is ruined. Colleges are allowed to do whatever they want in these situations, and they are allowed to kick you off campus based on accusations.

In actual court, ie real life. This will never hold in a courtroom. The burden of proof is placed on the plaintiff. In real life he does not have to prove his innocence, but she has to prove his guilt. If you are accused of murder, you do not have to appear in front of the judge and prove to him you didn't murder the person. The prosecutor will try to prove you did. If a prosecutor doesn't do a good job, and you say nothing you are fine.

This PSA only applies to college students. Don't think for a second this guy was found guilty in an actual courtroom.

tl;dr - college courtrooms do not have to follow due process. They do whatever the fuck they want. (It's messed up, but it's not real court)

Why am I credible? - I study law, my mom is a lawyer. It's safe to assume I know the basics of law.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is college court. The college legal system is very different from real life. Don't think for a second this guy is now a sex offender, and his life is ruined. Colleges are allowed to do whatever they want in these situations, and they are allowed to kick you off campus based on accusations.

Yup its a college court. How ever these cases follow you around and can effectively black list someone. Especially if it hits social media or someone informs your new school of your prior proceedings and you become persona nongrata there too. Many job applications require background checks if you don't consent to records release you ain't getting the job. Many law and other post graduate school applications require some disclosure of your full academic record including judicial proceedings. google Cornel disciplinary record. Yup your economic life pretty well fucked.

[–]anooblol 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very true, but I'm just pointing out the fact that he is not a registered sex offender.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No sense complaining how unfair this is. You are a male in college part of the elite, the only place you will find sympathy is in the dictionary somewhere between shit and syphilis. No one cares and The University wants to maintain title IX money and keep SJW protests to a minimum.

What do you do 1) Don't shit where you eat. Even chads had better follow this dictate. A girl from another school will have a harder time engaging your schools kangaroo court. Lie about where you go to school, you real name, your work etc... 2) Always fly with a wingman. Wigman's job is not to just help you get laid, he is there to keep you being stupid. Reciprocate with your wingman. 3) Don't get plastered, obviously a sober woman can withdraw her consent while you are blacked out, oops you just raped her. 4) Don't fuck drunk chicks, drunk as defined by the legal limit. If she's drunk get her friends to take her home or kidnapping gets added to the charges.
5) Lawyer up. 6) Gather allies, you ain't the first, there are others that have been ruined. Prime fodder for a class action. Somebody's rights got violated in these kangaroo courts, it can lead to big bucks.

[–]Azothlike 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

College assessment =/= being found guilty.

College is not law. Don't use legal terms when talking about campus nonsense, it's alarmist.

If a college fucks you over, take them to court for it. People are winning.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think the real lesson learned is don't put your dick in crazy and lock your doors.

Try applying a more practical approach instead of the MRAone and coming across as angry. What's the solution? Stop having sex? I'm not condoning the laws, but practically all you can do is take the right precautions and if it happens, it happens.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Essentially:

Males are second class citizens.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the average male, yes. What do you want to do about it?

[–]real-boethius -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't put your dick in crazy

As far as anyone knows he didn't actually do anything. But he is still 'guilty'.

[–]KartagoPill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck goverment. Fuck stupid laws.

[–]Boovs4life 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Aaaand I'm back in the anger phase. I can never get out of this phase for long because stuff like this enrages me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It passes. At some point, these stories no longer enrage because they're so damned common. These days, my thoughts drift towards how to remedy the situation. I'm currently researching what it takes to get on a college's board of trustees. Get enough Red Pill people on enough boards and this shit stops.

[–]emaplen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try to keep a separation in my mind between individual women and the institutional biases women receive. You can hate the system, a giant unfeeling machine perpetuated by men and women, without hating women.

I do find myself biased against women who are obviously radical feminists because they actively seek to maintain and expand the fucked up things we see in society today, but I don't think that's the same thing as anger phase and even think that it shouldn't be moved past.

[–]Mudane 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck feminism. And Fuck fake rape accusations.

[–]kanji_sasahara 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Between this sub and MGTOW I feel like I would be more productive being a monk. Unfortunately I like sex, alcohol, and the Internet too much.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When sex dolls become a common thing in male households. It may become the only option many men will have.

The women will fuck their dildos and virbators and men will fuck silicone vaginas.

Sex will become one of those things that will only women will be allowed to initiate with a heavy price on the man.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every so often you read a news story so outlandish that you're wondering if you're being trolled. A passed-out dude thrown off of campus for rape for receiving a blowjob? And the accuser being the accused's girlfriend's friend, who reported the incident to cover up for creeping on her friend's man?

Please tell me this is some elaborate MRA troll. You couldn't write the details better if you tried. There's something to be said about a story being too perfect.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Get text messages after the fact?

How will this help exactly? this might help you if you are Arrested for rape

But in this instance he was found guilty by the kangaroo court because there was a 50.01% or more chance that he could not prove that he obtained affirmative consent beforehand. Admitting you were black out drunk is as good as admitting it in this situation basically.

[–]Momo_dollar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People mentioning cameras etc. I believe that's what this guy did. The news have spun it with the rich money angle got him off and everyone is going nuts, but when you read the article it says: He was cleared after the judged allowed him to show evidence in private to the jury, and they took 20 mins to clear him.

His story to the police was cocky " I must have tripped and fucked her" that's what everyone is using. But in reality his story to the jury, and what they took only 20 mins to believe, was that he fucked her friend and she was in another room he went to talk to her and she tried pulling him into her etc and then she cried rape because he rejected her

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

[–]BJS_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

These women are so despicable. Lie on this man for your social life, in college.

[–]akrebsie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Ohmygod I jus did something so fuckig stupid" [sic throughout].

Ahhahahahhahhahahahahahha

[–]TheMGhandi 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And lightning is rather scary when it strikes near me, yet I keep walking.

There isn't really much more to say about this.

Yes there is. This entire post is fear-mongering. You also failed to provide actual lessons learned to ease the naive among us.

Lessons learned:

  • Ghost tactics. Give no bitch your real name, real address or real phone number.

  • Record everything. Audio and visual.

  • Texting. Reassure her that everything was good, and if she responds positively, good news. If she doesn't respond, you better have followed the ghost tactics.

  • Lawyer up. Have someone offer you advice, just in case you get some officer talking to you. A nice way to tell him to get lost is by saying you can talk to my lawyer.

[–]tonykodinov 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I don't mind living in a second-world country. Sure, you guys are more advanced in healthcare, economy and etc but at least we don't have crazy shit like this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I made a point to never have sex with colleagues at my college or on my campus because of all this crap. I am not willing to throw away my education to have sex with a woman who regretted a consensual hook up. Thank god the semester just ended. Horny AF right now after this 4 month dry spell.

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to clarify, black out drunk doesn't mean unconscious. It means memory hole.

[–]drummmmergeorge 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

that's why you only date Japanese girls. they are smarter than that.

[–]break_main 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It has its disadvantages too...but Mostly awesome.

[–]BJS_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

These hoes are despicable people. Seriously, ruin any damn body to make your self not look like a whore

[–]idonthaveacoolname13 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, I have pretty much been a hermit for a while now. I think now I will actually move to Spain or some island around there and join a monastery. Maybe learn to throw a fireball or summon a Djinn or something. Ya know, be productive.

[–]PopeJamal -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That title IS hyperbole. Being found guilty by a university of violating their rules is not the same as being found guilty in a court of law and being sentenced to prison. Sure it's messed up, but this has nothing to do with the law, so using the word guilty is misleading.

[–]0ed -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All due respect, the source is a blog post written in June. Not exactly a reliable source of information.

Daily Caller, July

Campus Reform,June

In all honesty, it's not as bad as OP makes it out to be. The Amherst was basically put under enormous pressure from "groups" (they never specified what groups, but I'll presume it's feminist groups) to protect their female students from sexual assault, because apparently they never did a very good job of it. This John Doe was a sacrificial lamb to get the "groups" off their asses.

John Doe didn't really get it that bad though. He's suing the school for mistrial, and given that he has text messages as evidence to prove his innocence, I suspect that he'd win.

Edit: I'm not sure if this is the same case... but looks this "John Doe" is fucked even if he wins. Fuck.

New source

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is every bit as bad in the U.S. as it was in Stalin's court's or Kim Jong Un's Star Chamber courts.

BTW: There are HUNDREDS of "Sexual Assualt Coordinator" positions open on college campuses all across the country. Hundreds and Hundreds of FULL PROFESSOR jobs go to these people with M.S. Degrees in "Gender Studies."

These are Star Chambers in every sense of the word. Future generations will look back and be amazed at our insanity in the same way we look back at Salem, amazed that anybody would believe in witches.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is nitpicking, but it seems he was expelled from his school for "college rape" and not convicted or found guilty of rape in a courtroom (so he's not incarcerated at least). Doesn't make it less wrong but it does make his situation somewhat less dire.

I'm very glad to know he's suing the school. That shit needs to be challenged. Shit, he should formally accuse her of rape. Fuck her.

I'd like to know the guy's name.

[–]prodigy2throw -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This seems to be an isolated incident where the institution failed. People here need to chill.

[–]NiggerBaboon -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sharia law doesn't look so bad now, does it?

Men have authority over women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them*. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

- translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali

Feminists and Jews love lying so much they seem one and the same, I wonder why?

  • Check out the changes in the history of the page and notice how "The Wikipedia Jews" have changed translator after translator, then they have even deliberately changed the quote of the last translator, from "beat them" to "strike them" and many others lies. All to make Islam look like a peaceful, almost feminist religion. Funny thing the version in Wikisource by the same translator is left intact, they forgot that one, so you can see the differences.

[–]Moneyley -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These are horrible stories but fear mongering isn't gonna stop me from getting a blowjob. I just got one like 1hr ago. It's good to be aware, but trp is basically becoming "don't have sex" thread. If that's where we are headed and the movement is justified I'm all for it but these fear mongering posts are getting old.

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