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#MeToo aims to make men criminally liable for all of women's negative post-sex feelings. (self.)

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Have a read at NYT's latest #MeToo article, and realize it isn't about consent anymore. In virtually all accounts cited in the article, the woman fully admits she gave explicit verbal consent prior and during the sex, which was never withdrawn.

Yet these women label their experience as a traumatizing sexual assault, and their partner as a sexual offender.

A summary of these 45 stories would be: woman and man meet, have consensual sex, woman catches negative feelings after the sex, retroactively considers herself raped, can't press charges since our regressive rape-culture laws fail to recognize her as the victim she is.

The goal of this movement is clearly to amend the situation, and allow women to pursue criminal charges despite having consented. The article is explicit that these women are all traumatized victims, and their partners are criminal assailants who got away.

There's no more pretense that men can do much about this. They're simply responsible for their female partner's emotions, period. For example, they should notice that the woman isn't into the sex. In fact, in one case it seems the man's only fault was that the sex was bad, so performing poor sex is also a criminal offense. If you're a man, of course.

Remember the old radical feminist propaganda that all sex is rape of the woman by the man? Well, I have news for you: it's no longer extremist or radical - it's become mainstream. It's at the very core of the #MeToo movement. Arguably the most influential paper in the country posts a front page story that includes a woman's report that "most, if not all" of her sexual encounters were non-consensual.

I wanted to separate out this part of the post, since it's important to recognize that us men are not in any way responsible for women's post-sex feelings. We are responsible for our own actions, which in the case of sex include backing off at our partner's request (contrary to the custom in most other countries outside of the rape-culture-west, where she'd just be literally raped and then stoned or burned to death if she tries to press charges.)

So on principle, the woman's post-sex feelings are her own business and responsibility. Nobody asks us how we feel. If a man tried to retroactively annul a consented marriage because he felt bad about it afterwards, he'd get laughed out of any court.

How or why women get these post-sex negative emotions is no concern of ours.

However, I do think it's curious that this article, that dives headlong into the subtlest minutia of women's feelings and thoughts, doesn't consider how in most cases the woman seems to catch these regrets soon after the sex is over. She suddenly "finds her voice", tells the man he assaulted her, kicks him out of her bedroom.

Note how the situation hasn't changed. The couple is still isolated, she is still naked and "vulnerable", etc. The only thing that changed was that the sex has been had.

How can the article, and all these female "reporters", ignore the obvious conclusion that this is just buyer's remorse?

The woman was horny, so she had the sex she wanted, gratified her lust, now she's stuck with the cost: being labeled a slut for quickly yielding to her desires with a man who isn't her socially acceptable partner, boyfriend or husband.

This happened in virtually all cases, yet the woman wonders why she only found "her voice" or "power to resist" after the sex is over, "too late". Bitch, you were horny, you wanted to fuck, so you had your sex, then retroactively disavowed consent because it's convenient.

In other cases, it's obvious the woman regrets the sex because the man treated it as was it was - a quick first-meet hookup - rather than provided her with the "happily-ever-after" package she clearly deserves.

Betas and other unattractive men, take special note: you are a high risk group for this happening. In most accounts, the man was displaying beta qualities during or after the sexual encounter. Which makes sense: women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

It's no wonder their emotional system spins into a negative cycle strong enough to be remembered as a trauma: they must learn, they must remember, never to do this again. Their genes' survival depends on learning this lesson.

It's no coincidence that many of these accounts involve a woman's first sexual encounter. She did not know, did not expect, this harsh lesson. But she must learn.

So let this be a warning to you: if you want to participate in the hookup culture - the only mating culture we presently have, really - you must not be beta.

However, while betas are at the highest risk from women's post-sex regret, they're not the only ones by any means.

At this point, #MeToo's overarching objective is to grant women absolute power over men, by instituting the legal authority for women to completely destroy the social and material status of any adult man they choose. If you are a man, and you had a sexual encounter with a woman, you must keep her happy - by her own definition - in perpetuity. Or else.


[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason Sexual Utopia in Power is in our sidebar. This was long predicted.

[–]3trplurker290 points291 points  (60 children) | Copy Link

First rule of dealing with rape accusations and the Police, keep your mouth shut. I'll say it again, keep your fucking mouth shut, don't say anything because no matter what you say it will be twisted, taken out of context, or had words inserted or removed and then used against you.

In the USA at least there are several layers of legal protection that ensure a women pushing regret rape can't get you convicted. The first being they have to actually prove sex happened, then they have to prove it was non-consensual. The first is virtually impossible without a rape-kit or your own cooperation. When it's her word vs nothing, because you didn't say shit, then the whole thing gets tossed aside. But if instead the guy was an idiot and talked to anyone, or he was really stupid and told the police "Yeah we had sex but it was consensual" then he's really stepped into it because he just admitted to having sex. Or even if he, like an idiot, told the Police "nah we didn't have sex", the Police can then construe that as admitted that you were with the person at that time, which is motive (cause apparently all guys want to fuck all girls all the time) and opportunity.

If its the workplace and someone says something it gets a bit dicey but remember that labor laws are on your side, provided you don't admit to having sex with the girl. The guy needs to be the first person to Senior Management / HR (SM is better if you have friends there since HR weenies don't want to piss them off) and make allegations that the girl is spreading malicious rumors and gossip. Create the frame that you, the guy, is the victim of her malicious character assassination attempts and that she'll stoop to outright lying. Remember she's a women, she's told at least one verifiable lie to someone in the past 72 hours, even more if anyone goes digging. The male needs to be on the offensive from the very start, women win so often because we let them.

Always remember "Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations"

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey180 points181 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Actually never talk to a cop ever. For any reason. No matter how innocent you are. It's not their job to help you. It's their job to collect evidence. Get a lawyer involved asap. Preferably a good one.

[–]destraht111 points112 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I saw this about ten years ago and its timeless. Don't Talk to the Police. They will almost never torture or beat you so just treat most of their requests for information as if they were the homeless guy who asks you for your sandwich. Just politely decline. People talk a lot about frame with women but not much is said about frame with authority. In the West, in most areas dealing with the police is super easy and basically training wheels compared to what has gone on in much of history. If you can't stand up to these guys with your constitutional rights, cameras, courts, juries and absence of torture then you don't deserve it.

My longest friend is an analytical idiot and more on the artistic side and felt a need to please. He absolutely fucked himself into a felony by answering questions even after he declined the first several times. They'll just keep asking and weak people will give in to them. You might be in an uncomfortable chair, your favorite show is coming on in two hours and you want to catch it, you have to piss and this guy just keeps asking you the same question in different ways. So you answer because you are weak and then six months later you might just see their questions blacked out on a page with your heinous words highlighted. You don't have to speak. If they aren't going for your fingernails, if you don't see an iron maiden, rack or scary looking torture kit then just shut your mouth. Don't fucking talk.

Why am I going on about torture? Its because that is what used to happen. We have a system now that can't do that. So don't fucking talk. Easy. Done.

[–]friendandadvisor14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

I'm not trying to turn this into a post-a-thon of great quotes from the DTTTP video, but, one thing stood out to me: Do NOT even tell them the truth. Example: You are in Charlottesville. You tell the cops "I was in Charlottesville." They have a witness that mistakenly thinks you were in Jonestown, and testifies such. The jury will believe your false accuser, and you will then appear to the jury to be a liar!

This totally shocked me, but, imagine how the jury looks at it. The cops have you. They have even worked long hard hours and found a witness. Here you are. Obviously, hardworking cops don't actually go and arrest somebody for no reason. Obviously, YOU are the liar.

This is unfair and unConstitutional, but, welcome to the real world!

[–]Troll_Name3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We have a system now that can't do that.

Crooked tends to come in clusters. Crooked cop, crooked DA, crooked judge; the correct answer is simply getting out of such a place if you sense your environment to be one. The absolute worst possible answer is to assume there's some bubble of invincibility around you because of writing on paper. "Enhanced interrogating" people all the way to death row or life just to claim a victory is normal globally. USA, for all of its above-average traits, is not immune. Much like Barry Bonds they will find a method that gets results but doesn't fit the description of rule-breaking.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev40 points41 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually never talk to a cop ever.

Note: This goes double if the badge is federal. There is a federal crime called "making false statements", under 18 USC 1001. That's how they nail people when there is no underlying crime or if they can't actually prove any underlying crime. It's how they make sure someone "gets got".

If you are talking to two FBI types, one is taking notes, all that his notes are are whatever he felt like writing down. They may support you, they may not, both guys might "remember shit differently" etc. So shaddap.

Anything YOU say to a LEO is an "admission"; anything your lawyer says is just your lawyer talking.

[–]AloofusMaximus21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Also keep in mind LEO ARE absolutely allowed to lie to you. They can tell you "we have video evidence of you at place X" when in fact they don't. Also you don't have to be mirandized unless you're being detained, so talking to that cop in the house when you're not yet "under arrest", is still admissible even though you weren't told "you have the right to remain silent".

Also don't jerk them off more than necessary. "Officer I'm invoking my right to remain silent, so am declining to answer any questions" is much better than, "Fuck you pig".

[–]1Sir_Distic12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Miranda ONLY applies in interrogations. Just standing at your door asking questions isn't legal interrogation. Also they can use anything you say during that, even if you haven't been read your Miranda warnings. They may not be able to use your words as testimony in court but they can bring up things you said to gain evidence.

As everyone else is saying STFU when dealing with LEO. Period.

  1. I'm invoking my right to remain silent/5th amendment right etc
  2. I do not consent to any searches.
  3. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

All of those can save your ass if you're not a dickhead about it. Be cool but always remember THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS when talking to you.

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

4: try to be smooth about saying these things.

The only thing worse than tripping over the obstacle course is having them hold a grudge against you personally - it happens. It happens more in small towns that aren't swarming with mafia citycops. The easiest way to get a grudge is to puncture a high-status man's ego. If you fight for people's rights against police then assume the grudge is there.

I've seen an entire neighborhood sealed off over obviously-fake DV calls that the wife was making every single night just to fight dirty in her divorce. Husband was a civil rights lawyer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The last is important. Don’t needlessly antagonize them. They’re human too and still subject to human nature.

[–]189econs4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A pig on a power trip is difficult not to antagonize...

[–]Dark_T1007 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only words you should ever say to a police officer is "I want my lawyer"

[–]Troll_Name5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get a lawyer involved asap. Preferably a good one.

To expand on this:

1: You need a SPECIALIZED lawyer. If you're getting divorced then don't bring a civil lawyer. If you're being charged with a crime then don't bring a criminal lawyer who mostly fights other charges. If you're being accused of DUI because the cops forced 50 tests then cherrypicked the one they liked ignoring all others, then go straight to a DUI lawyer with experience and reputation.

2: You need a HEALTHY lawyer, in every measurable way. Bad habits lead to worsening conditions, leads to hospitalization, leads to divorce because the income dipped, leads to empty business account because the wife lit gasoline on her way out, leads to every single client losing unless they can afford another lawyer faster than the gears of poorman's recourse can grind. Source: law jobs. Hourly reminder that money is power in this world.

3: You need an ETHICAL lawyer, meaning he doesn't play tragedy of the commons with his case load (or have a boss doing this on his behalf.) Sleazebag lawyers don't give a rat's ass if you walk or hang, if they're already getting as much money from you as they can. Likewise a lawyer's shitstain wife will take a large check you're sending in for future use and bill it down to zero over the next 24 hours.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations"

Now if every man who has been accused of metoo bullshit actually did this, there wouldn't be a metoo movement right now.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha come on, the problem is that when feminazis get accused of something they shut down and censor everything, it doesn't matters if the feminazi being accused is a total piece of shit everyone in the movement hates, they still defend her. Why? because not doing so jeopardizes the entire group.

The first thing men do when a woman complaints about another men is taking the side of the woman. That's how they get us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Which goes back to my previous statement.

Y'all need to learn to read.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got nothing, like a liberal talk show...

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How does this square with the next day text?

I have one girl trained to send me a "thanks for the high hard one" text, and she does every time, which is simply pristine.

I'm talking about the first time, though....it's a great idea to get that "I had a great time" text the next day, but.....how to word yours in a way as to leave doubt that sex had occurred?

[–]DrShankton7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Did you enjoy last night, what was your favourite part;)”

[–]LordHodorsfourdoor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't give away free information, talk to lawyer

[–]-HomoEconomicus4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

So if you're in the US, would it be a good rule of thumb in this case to plead the 5th?

[–]3trplurker39 points40 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as "plead the 5th", 100% Hollywood bullshit. The 5th Amendment just says you can not be compelled to testify against yourself, the key word being compelled. The state can not force you to give testimony, in other words they can not force you to answer questions. They can still ask those questions, you are not required to answer them, and most importantly your refusal to answer the questions can not be used as evidence against you.

You want to know what the 5th amendment looks like in action, here is how it goes.

Officer > Mr Lurker, would you mind answering a few questions we have. Mr Lurker > I apologize offer but I've been advised not to answer any questions without consulting an attorney. Officer > Mr Lurker this will only take a moment of your time. Mr Lurker > I'm really sorry officer I can't assist you at this time.

That's all there is to it. They are either going to arrest you or not, if they are there to arrest you absolutely nothing you say will change that. Contrary if they don't have sufficient evidence to arrest you, you can most certainly give them that evidence. Just say you can't speak to them without an attorney, and no attorney will ever advice you speak with the police.

[–]Occams_Stubble16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They are either going to arrest you or not, if they are there to arrest you absolutely nothing you say will change that.

But be polite and courteous. They can jack you up by arresting you for suspicion of "x" and then deciding not to prosecute. Bring you to the station, either ruin your day or make you stay the night.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be too polite else they'll think you're soft and can scare you into making a mistake.

[–]-HomoEconomicus3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for making it autistically clear

[–]FrgElder 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

How does this work in court if you're testifying as a witness? Or asked to testify as the accused/defendant?

[–]3trplurker19 points20 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

If asked you just refuse to testify, then they have to get a subpoena to compel you to show up at the courthouse. You show up, when called you just state that you don't wish to provide any testimony. They can ask all the questions they want right there in the court room, you simply respond that you don't wish to answer any questions. After a few of those answers the judge will dismiss you and get super pissed at the prosecution for wasting their time. If your the defendant then they absolutely can not call you to the stand, the judge will tell them to fuck off. Now if you take the stand to testify in your own defense, which is a REALLY stupid idea, they absolutely have the right to cross examine you. You can try to refuse to answer but it's going to make your case look even worse then if you had never spoken. This is why lawyers exist, if you want to say something you have your lawyer draft a statement and they present the statement.

"Pleading the fifth" is pure hollywood bullshit. Your "plead" is just something you tell the judge at the start and can be a number of things including, guilty, innocent, no-contest and so forth. How the fuck can someone "plead the fifth" to a question? It's a fucking question, you either answer it or you don't.

What police officers are trained to do is illicit a response, any response from you. They have to give you a quick class on the 5th amendment which the Miranda ruling provided, after that class you can then choose to answer or not. A lot of people initially don't answer, but it's an uncomfortable room and the officer makes it sound like if you "get through this" you can "go home", meaning if you answer their questions you can leave, which is bullshit. They are trying to get you to waive your right against self incrimination and answer their questions. Instead the proper response is to ask if your being detained or are you free to go. They won't answer at first because they really hate that question but after you ask it a few times they must answer. Their answer will either be "yes your detained" or "you can go", no in between, you are either under arrest or you can walk out. If your under arrest then they must provide you an attorney and you get to see the judge for a bail hearing and all sorts of official shit starts. If your free to go you walk the fuck out.

[–]BrenHam211 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If anybody could give a european/UK court description of the above it would be much appreciated....

[–]Mukato17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

OI! You got a loicense for asking for legal help on a hate speech platform? /s

[–]189econs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whea you loicense for that butter knife ya cheeky cunt?

[–]Fyrjefe1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's not far from the truth. The UK is already putting Bobbies on shitpost scanning duty.

[–]Mukato1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know, that's what makes it sad.

[–]Pestilence19111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ol queen eraelf be beatin eh first mate that laughs at a frog on watch.

[–]3trplurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bend over and prepare to get fucked because inalienable rights don't exist outside of the USA.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Huh? You can’t refuse to testify if you are a witness to someone else’s trial. The subpoena is an order from the state to appear and testify.

Refusing to testify would place you in contempt of court. The only things you don’t have to answer are self incriminating questions- same as always.

[–]heaven_cutter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure what that guy is smoking. Yes you can "plead the 5th" and it's most certainly not "Hollywood bullshit" it's right there in the fucking Constitution.

A witness who is subpoenaed absolutely needs to testify unless it's self-incriminating, as you stated. Hell, that's the entire point of hostile witnesses! People who are pissed and don't want to talk but the alternative is a few nights in county jail.

The pedantic autism of the guy above you is staggering. He definitely shouldn't talk to police as he has little concept of the law.

[–]Terdmuffin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't plead the fifth. You can plead guilty, not guilty, etc. But when the judge asks how you plea if you say "I plead the 5th" you're going to look silly. However with regards to interrogation, questioning, testimony about yourself, or other statements that you might make that could be used to incriminate yourself you can exercise your 5th amendment right to refuse to answer.

[–]3trplurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Refusing to testify would place you in contempt of court

Nope, refusing to show up or provide subpoenaed documentation can be contempt of court, but refusing to answer a question can not. The Supreme Court found that the 5th Amendment protections don't just exist for someone criminally charged but exist to anyone everywhere under any situation. The reasoning being that even though your not the one on trial, anything you say at that moment can later be used against you at a different trial.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html

Contains the Supreme Courts ruling in the matter https://jux.law/you-can-plead-the-fifth-in-the-middle-of-a-civil-lawsuit/

Take this situation, your called to be a witness about a crime the prosecutor thinks you might of witnessed. Testifying that you indeed saw that crime also means you just admitted to being at that location during that crime. Later the prosecution can bring charges against you and use the testimony you provided during that trial as evidence, or that information could then be used by police to investigate and potentially convict you for a different crime. Thus 5th amendment protections always exist all the time regardless.

The way you answer is simple. Prosecutor > Mr. Lurker did you witness the Defendant Mr. Scumbag driving down NoWhere Road at 8:30pm last Saturday?

Mr Lurker > I apologize Mr Prosecutor but I'm invoking my 5th Amendment rights against self incrimination.

Mr Prosecutor > Seriously Mr Lurker your not the defendant.

Mr Lurker > Mr Judge I do not wish to waive my 5th Amendment rights against self incrimination.

Now you respond this way to every single question, individually invoking your 5th Amendment rights against self incrimination each time. This is not contempt of court, your are present and receiving the questions, available for cross examination, but instead choosing to invoke the 5th Amendment to not provide testimony that could potentially be used against you.

But hey Internet Keyboard Warriors are obviously more informed then the US Supreme Court.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are the one on trial you cannot be called to the stand by the prosecution. Only your lawyer can call you to the stand. If you are a witness, then you have to answer questions.

[–]One_time_back_when-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just to add here... In most states the refusal to answer can be used against you in a civil case. The presumption is that had you answered it would have been against your interest

[–]Herdsengineers6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being used in a civil case against you as a free man is still much better than opening your mouth and landing yourself in jail.

[–]One_time_back_when-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most definitely. I just wanted to add this bit of info.

[–]3trplurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Umm not entirely true, refusal to answer can never be used as evidence against you because any testimony provided in a civil case is admissible in a criminal one. Now that doesn't mean that you won't look like an ass in front of the judge / jury and it most certainly doesn't help you.

So it really depends on the exact nature of the question asked, what the other party said happened and what the evidence said. Remember you can still talk through a lawyer, in fact all important people do. If your a party in a civil suit you can always decline being called as a witness, and instead your lawyer can post a response to the question in paper form. This provides an answer while shielding you from future criminal prosecution because that paper is hearsay anywhere else.

Here is reference material directly discussing the question along with the Supreme Courts ruling. https://jux.law/you-can-plead-the-fifth-in-the-middle-of-a-civil-lawsuit/

[–]Modredpillschool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

♂

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Remember she's a women, she's told at least one verifiable lie to someone in the past 72 hours, even more if anyone goes digging."

Nugget.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon141 points142 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

For example, men must notice if their female partner isn't fully enjoying the sex, and immediately address this problem

The end goal is to make men always responsible and guilty for having sex and to exonerate women under all circumstances.

She no longer has the responsibility of saying "no" or "stop". Instead the man is expected to both get her to say "yes" (enthusiastically!) at the start... and she isn't responsible for ending the experience if it doesn't suit her wishes... the man also has to psychically determine if her experience isn't good enough.

Does this apply to any other aspect of life? If I buy something, do I have to verbally consent to my money being taken? Do I have to say "yes!" and smile throughout the experience and never regret it lest it be theft?

How can the article, and all these female "reporters", ignore the obvious conclusion that this is just buyer's remorse?

Because women are perfect and never wrong. What she thinks, what she FEELS is the only truth that could ever be considered valid. The man, and indeed facts themselves be damned.

It's no wonder their emotional system spins into a negative overdrive strong enough to be remembered as a trauma: they must learn, they must remember, never to do this again. Their genes' survival depends on their learning this lesson.

In the cases of retracted consent the trauma is self inflicted to get victim points, validation and exoneration. It must be terrible, everyone says it is!

Society is peculiarly and singularly obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience. Anything that makes her experience less than 100% mindblowingly thrilling gets redefined as rape. Because this suits women - reduced responsibility, increased attention.

It's no coincidence that many of these accounts involve a woman's first sexual encounter. She did not know, did not expect, this harsh lesson. But she must learn. Her genes' survival depends on it.

Nah, it's not genetic. It's her social conditioning: "Blame men for everything, everyone will agree with you, and you can be seen as a virgin again".

MeToo's overarching objective is to grant women absolute power over men, by instituting the social and legal instruments for women to completely destroy the social and material status of any adult man they choose [Edit: unbolded this bit]

Undoubtedly true. The high profile cases we all know about show this. There is complete eradication of any due process or proof. Women are never held responsible for their false allegations, so what have they to lose? Society says "women, this is ok. Do this and you'll win, and they'll lose. You will never be punished for this, so it is completely ok to do it".

[–]DickTerper 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Instead the man is expected to both get her to say "yes" (enthusiastically!) at the start...

If you read the accounts in the article carefully, it becomes clear that not only did the woman provide consent prior to the sex, and in most cases explicit verbal consent, but in many cases it was most likely quite enthusiastic.

The woman was horny, attracted to the man, and wanted to had sex (yes, they actually admit that in some cases).

These very recent articles really close the curtain on the whole notion that this debate is about consent. "Enthusiastic" consent (How is that to be judged? How is that not utterly subjective?) was the previous feminist goal post. Welcome to the new goal post: consent no longer matters at all. It's all about what she decides after the fact, and how she feels.

In the cases of retracted consent the trauma is self inflicted to get victim points, validation and exoneration. It must be terrible, everyone says it is!

I think that's part of it, but not the whole story. I've interacted with enough women to convince me that sexual activity can generate powerful feelings in them, positive, negative, or (most often) mixed.

I don't believe these are the male partner's fault at all, and often they result from factors completely beyond his control, such as her past, education, supposed sexual mores, etc.

Societal pressures do tend to resolve this mess of mixed feelings into some clear, unambiguous, convenient definition like "sexual assault". This gives the woman's internal reality some order, justification, a sense of identity, a way to suppress anxiety, external sympathy and support... It's really too good to pass on.

Society is peculiarly and singularly obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience. Anything that makes her experience less than 100% mindblowingly thrilling gets redefined as rape.

Since I respect you as an author, and appreciate our past interaction, I'll do you the honor of disagreeing with you here. I agree with the overall sentiment, but I don't think society is "obsessed with maximising the female sexual experience".

I do agree that the feminist movement is all about getting women everything they might crave, including sexual pleasure in some cases. I also agree that some of the recent #MeToo accounts are just disappointing / unsatisfactory sexual experiences, e.g. the Ansari affair. I further agree that feminism often assigns men the complete responsibility for satisfying women or failing to do so, as part of their overall agenda:

Women are entitled to everything, and responsible for nothing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This also seems like the perfect excuse to lie about the N count. By their """""logic""""", it doesn't count if it was rape. So it doesn't matter if she's had 100 dicks inside of her, but only mention 10.

[–]Fyrjefe8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are always spot on and deliver in such an intelligent and respectful way. Anyway, in summary, women are getting power without duty or responsibility. And it is definitely going beyond just the sexual realm.

[–]wanderer7794 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if that's what it is. I think these girls just like the attention. They get to slut around, they get to absolve themselves of responsibility, and they get to be the center of attention throughout the whole process. And now, in the aftermath, instead of a trial and facts and scrutiny and all that, she gets an audience to listen to her talk about her feelings about it. She has turned the whole NYT subscription base into her beta orbiters.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re over complicating it. It’s regret, pure and simple. They regret what they did in the morning —> they must not have actually wanted it —> if someone has sex with you and you don’t want it, that is rape.

It’s really that simple. It’s not about attention. We just can’t comprehend this thought process because we don’t have hamsters.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can do it with no consequences so they do it, just that. Think prison guards and the stanford experiment.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If the world ever made these women responsible for their actions, they'd cry about how they went along with the metoo campaign due to societal pressure.

[–]189econs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The current situation is already going to shit from being so unsustainable so I expect that to actually happen

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think these girls just like the attention.

It think its more a "banality of evil thing": they couldn't give less of a shit about how many men's lives they destroy just to get a few likes and RTs.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the end goal is necessarily to exonerate women under all circumstances, although that is definitely an end result. Women are already sexually exonerated from a lot anyways so I don't see why they would want so much more of it. They are fighting for something else. I think this all arises from women's desire to deliberately take away an Alpha male's leverage in the game. Women don't need #metoo to have more power over betas, they have enough of that. The only thing women can't have power over is an Alpha with options. Before sex is had, women have most of the leverage and the ball is on their court. After they left the man fuck, she loses most of this power and an Alpha man's leverage lies in the ability to walk away to his other options. Pretty women don't have to worry too much about this. Average butterfaces want to be able to fuck Alphas way above their league and not be pumped and dumped, so they use of this kind of #metoo blackmail to strip men from this power.

[–]jpin86 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Pretty women actually most often get raped by men who are the ones punching above their weight classes. Guys with options don’t have a need to not respect women’s boundaries. And it is you MRAs who insist that these pretty women shouldn’t get to say no to sex if they are naked.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The imaginary world where pretty women take the effort to communicate with lesser men, arrange dates with these men, follow these men home, get in bed with these men and take their clothes off, only to end up saying that they were forced to have sex in the end.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Average butterfaces want to be able to fuck Alphas way above their league and not be pumped and dumped, so they use of this kind of #metoo blackmail to strip men from this power.

You might be right.... often when women talk about their abusive ex, the abuse is really that he left her.

[–]jpin86 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

“Victim points” are not a thing. No one wants to be a victim. That is degrading and humiliating pretty much by definition.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women LOVE to be the victim- it's often how they define themselves.

[–]jpin86 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Actually these are the numbers regarding male and female sexual experience:

65% of straight women orgasm during sexual encounters

95% of straight men orgasm during sexual encounters

Studies have shown, especially in casual sex encounters, that men do not feel responsible for making the woman orgasm, but women do feel responsible for making the man orgasm.

It would be much more fair to say society is peculiarly and singularly obsessed with maximising the male sexual experience.

It is notable that male sexual function and anatomy is studied in great detail where female sexual function and anatomy is generally disregarded (where sexual and not just reproductive).

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Studies have shown, especially in casual sex encounters, that men do not feel responsible for making the woman orgasm, but women do feel responsible for making the man orgasm.

Given the conditions women put on sex, the least she can do is make it good for us. We are the ones paying for sex.... so yes, that makes her responsible for making it good.

Paying = approaching, chatting up, leading, taking the risks, taking the rejections, paying more financially, etc.

In casual sex scenarios, the guy is usually much much hotter than the girl. She uses sex to try and please and hook him, he's enjoying the casual sex and he's already done enough and paid enough.

It is notable that male sexual function and anatomy is studied in great detail where female sexual function and anatomy is generally disregarded (where sexual and not just reproductive).

It's very hard to study female sexual function because women are never honest about it.

[–]SuwinTzi303 points304 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

After someone else comedian Owen Benjamin mentioned it i can't help but read #metoo as "pound me too"...

[–]vetepalcarajo93 points94 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao women playing themselves... AGAIN

[–]bitchpotatobunny14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relevant

[–]Wathalak33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is an Owen Benjamin joke; gotta give credit where its due.

[–]IvanReilly6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He has since amended his comment.

[–]valery_fedorenko 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

On top of #MeToo there is now also #MentorHer. They realized there was no one to help them anymore after the backlash against being alone with a woman at work. So now they are trying to shame men back into helping them at their own peril. You can't make this shit up.

There is evidence of a backlash that could be harmful to women: twice as many male managers now feel uncomfortable working alone with a woman.1 This is a step in the wrong direction. Now more than ever, we need men working with—and mentoring—women. When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

[–]bongohai24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Typical of women to double down on their nonsense, instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

[–]189econs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"taking responsibility" means losing power...

[–]MetamorphosisSilver33 points34 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how the #MentorHer movement can work. Consider the range of possible outcomes from the male mentoring manager. At best, he mentors a responsible and rational female and gets a better and more effective employee. However if the female employee that he mentors is either irresponsible or irrational, or the business result of the mentoring did not meet expectations he is now open for accusations against him. Any rational person would want to preserve his/her own career, and this puts him in a position where there is the significant possibility of negative repercussions years or even decades later.

[–]UrbanEngineer10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[–]zevfern1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beautiful.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire proposition is so goddamn out of touch with reality you can tell that the chick writing it is the most sheltered piece of crap in the universe.

[–]TheseNthose16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a step in the wrong direction. Now more than ever, we need men working with—and mentoring—women. When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

If this were true why don't they get their mentorship from a woman lead.

[–]189econs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Consider that the retards behind this are the same that burned millions into the "ban bossy" fiasco.

[–]dDiegoDLV9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahaha

They fuck themselves over and then complain about the mess they created. You would have to be insane as a manager to goto dinner alone with a woman in this guilty until proven innocent atmosphere.

[–]AllahHatesFags2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that; they made their bed, they can lie in it. Every man should follow the Mike Pence rule at work, especially if they outrank the woman. No mentoring until they stop abusing the rape whistle. If they want mentorship, they can get it from a woman.

[–]189econs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When more women lead, workplaces are stronger and safer for everyone.

Is this bitch trippin? if any low-tier chick in the mailroom can get the CEO fired for poundmetoo then what would a women boss do to men?

almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman

Legal in most companies are advising them to not even talk to women without witnesses, its not just paranoia.

[–]1v1crown77 points78 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

lol your solution is "do not be beta"..?

doesnt matter how alpha you are, if a girl wants to fuck over a guy for whatever reason (regret, victim points, money, etc) it doesnt matter how alpha you are.

[–]nofilmynofucky4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no 100% fail safe solution - even if you stay in monk mode and do not sleep with another woman ever again, you cannot eliminate the risk.

I think this is why the trp mods posted that 'stop fucking talking about metoo' post a while back: it's a very inconvenient truth that there is simply no trp strategy in existence that will ensure your safety. Hell, I got banned on here one time for suggesting as much.

[–]BurnoutRS37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Our world is so safe and soft that we have people who are coddled to the point that they become emotionally distraught over the most trivial nonesense. These people champion their weakness and instill systems and implement laws to further their (in)security

It's getting so far up its own ass and becoming so transparent now that Im certain its time will come to a close. How much damage is gonna be done in the meantime I cant say. Everyday it seems to be more and more apparent that the metoo movement and 3rd wave feminism in general are nothing more than power grabs guised as motions towards a freer and more equal society.

If a person can honestly back one of these women, that yes, they hold no responsibility for the emotions they felt... jesus fucking christ like how can that even begin to scratch the surface of making sense?

What If I fuck a girl the night she quits smoking and the next day she gets hit with full on nicotine withdrawals? What if I fuck a girl and a few days later her cat dies? There are so many factors that can influence a persons emotional state.

Are women powerful or are they pitifully helpless? If I have to go off of what the feminists and popular opinion seems to suggest then its both

[–]dDiegoDLV13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

from the article comments (you cant make this shit up)

brl British Columbia May 11, 2018 When telling a group of female friends about a gray zone encounter I had with a the former president of a frat in which I was explicitly asked if I was ok having sex only to have the encounter go much further than I was comfortable with, I was greeted with stories from every single woman of similar experiences. Friends told me stories of feeling they "had to" go all the way with a guy due to his social status or out of fears of being called a prude that resonated with mine.

In my experience, I felt trapped: a lowely freshman with one of my school's "hottest guys," I would be the laughing stock of my community for saying I didn't feel comfortable. I also feared that as I had been flirting with this individual, me saying "stop" would be perceived as hypocritical nor was I sober enough to articulate these feelings at the time. Even though I had said "yes," it was not with my own voice but rather the voice of fear: fear of isolation imposed on me by my community...

The fucking shitlord frat prez was too stupid to figure out that her enthusiastically screaming yes really meant NO! She calls it a "gray zone" encounter because he couldn't read her mind and just went with it because she said yes.

[–]BurnoutRS4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I was too afraid to say no"

So youre too weak to have personal agency? So are you changing your story after the fact, or are women actually powerless? I mean, im not outlining anything I didnt already touch on above. You cant have it both ways. If women are equal to men then a woman must be held accountable for controlling access to her vagina

Man all these grey zones. I remember that time I wasnt sure I wanted to buy something but the salesman seemed really convincing. He was in front of his friends at the bestbuy and I didnt want him to be embarassed that he didnt make the sale. Then when I got home and the router he sold me didnt work I realized that he raped me.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The goal of over broadening the definition of sexual assault, is to ruin the reputations of men to keep them from obtaining high status positions in the workplace, politics etc., or removing then from such positions. The Feminine Imperative has made this a huge part of their poon agenda because sex has become so cheap in today's hookup culture, so it's more effective to use the act itself against men rather than a 'prize' to be earned by being a good man in old patriarchy days.

This is especially true on college campuses. If a girl tells a college counselor a guy looked at her the wrong way, they can suspend him, tarnish his record before he can graduate , and he won't get that STEM job he was going for, and that position just MIGHT be available for the women now! (Hey Brock Turner got branded a rapist even though his dick never got wet. Only PIV sex is rape).

If women can't use the pleasure of sex to sway the men of power, they will instead use it as a badge of victimhood to tear them down, true or not. The women who shame anyone who dare question something 'awful' as unwanted sexual advances, contact, etc. are those who fear the loss of power from such accusations. Odds are those women are ham planets that cannot secure the men they want. The men who stand behind the women on such issues are just beta cucks looking for a whiff of poon.

We are seeing a change in how sex is used for power. The less incentive for men to commit to women (marriage) the more incentive women will have to use sex as a reputation destruction tool as an effort to weaponize sex by using the law in a different way. Choose committment and or marriage for legal provisioning for your woman, or go to jail and lose everything you work for in your life that you refuse to give to women. You shitlord.

The surefire way to avoid false accusations is to:

-only use snapchat (phone numbers are identifiable info)

-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates

-Use a fake name/FB and dont let her see your car/plates

-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination

All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise.

[–]BurnoutRS53 points54 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember when all you needed for "safe" sex was condoms

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those were the days bro....

[–]zevfern-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, you're old dude.

[–]magx0128 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a society wide version of the female praying mantis eating the male after sex.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise" yes. #METOO is mostly lies, exaggerations, and women who don't even appear to understand what sexual assault or consent actually are; mixed with a very small amount of genuine victims.

Instead of "just believe" your default reaction to a woman's claim of sexual assault should be to "just disbelieve, unless she has proof".

[–]3trplurker11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination

Exculpatory evidence is always admissible, Prosecutors know this. If you are in a two-party state and have an audio recording of her having consensual sex, it can and should be used in your defense. Doing so may result in you confessing to breaking that states recording laws but that would be a much lessor crime then sexual assault, plus very few prosecutors would actually pursue that avenue because it's almost guaranteed to be tossed out.

[–]Jani11574 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the only answer I need to remember.... Damn

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've seen this posted before, you're just reposting what someone else said in a different thread.

[–]615bachelor 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I never give women my real name . I also downloaded a free texting app which can be used for a secondary number. I recommend all guys who are pumping and dumping to use a fake name and download the free texting app so woman won’t have your real number.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can’t believe society has gotten to this point. Fuck’s sake this is gonna come to a head soon.

[–]Blackbull_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Fellow black guy here. Don’t want be my fucking my shit up either.

What’s the free texting app you use?

[–]615bachelor 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The app is called “text free” in the Apple store if you have an iPhone. I have been using this app for a while now.

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Feminism and the sexual revolution were just scams for women to have free access to Chad. Just lol at beta male leftists who agree to it.

[–]2CasaDeFranco44 points45 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Feminism was a shit test that collectively the West failed to identify and shut down.

Accordingly normalisation of divorce, secularism, homosexuality, transgenderism, mass immigration etc are all efforts to deconstruct the institutions of the West; these being, Family, Faith, Fatherland and Flag.

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Women don’t care about the nation or its values, they only care about fucking alpha males. Look at how so many French sluts married Nazi occupiers in WWII.

[–]colzod7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Look at how so many French sluts married Nazi occupiers in WWII.

I didn't know about this. Any stats?

[–]2CasaDeFranco27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most fighting aged men were placed in POW or work camps so it was reasonably common for French women to date German officers given the lack of men, rationing and their higher SMV (rank, uniform, salary, German had conquered most of Western Europe).

[–]TheseNthose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No statistics but a simple google search will result in a plethora of articles on the subject

[–]UrbanEngineer-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same goes for Germans during WW2... Lol.

[–]ImFeklhr42 points43 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I have to laugh at your mention of homosexuality. In many ways living a gay male lifestyle you totally avoid any potential BS re: female consent. 99% of gay guys are on the same page regarding sex. I read this sub occasionally and feel so sorry for my straight brothers. The shit you all have to deal with sounds insane. Obviously gay sex isn't for everybody, but I sometimes think being gay is the ultimate red pill move. Completely opt-out of the nonsense.

[–]mrbluesdude 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

So many times in my life I have honestly wished I was into dick, things would be so much easier. Fucking women are the worst but damn they fine lol

[–]2CasaDeFranco21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So would being celibate. In a healthy societies, there is significantly lower BS associated with heteronormative sexual relations.

The BS associated with sexual relations with women is because our society failed to promote healthy cultural values, promiscuity, homosexuality etc is a by product of this.

The destruction of traditional gender roles, masculinity among males and destruction of femininity among females is such that men stoop to sodomy and a meaningless life of hedonism rather than have a wife and children. Homosexuality is inherently a perversion and no healthy society or individual would encourage nor celebrate it.

Being a homosexual is not the ultimate red pill, quite the opposite - even now homosexual men aspire to live like 1950's straight hetrosexual Christian couples, married with children. Monogamy is practically impossible in the homosexual community. Instead it's a lifestyle characterised by the cock carousel, meaningless sex, STD's, depression and for older homosexuals; loneliness as they try to pursue younger men. You will live like a post wall woman after your 40's; alone and without a legacy beyond hedonism - trying to claw back someone younger to marry and have children with.

The ultimate red pill is that women cannot be replaced by an effeminate man, that pre 20th century society was far healthier than the degeneracy today. I will be the best man I can be, grow my empire and one day marry and have a large family; God willing with many grandchildren. What will your legacy be?

[–]ImFeklhr20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My legacy will be riding that cock carousel until I puke! Good luck with your family though, sounds pretty neat.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

All gays have a biologically evolved instinct to commit suicide

[–]aesu-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I assume this is sarcasm, but i never can quote tell on this sub.

[–]2CasaDeFranco0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not sarcasm.

[–]ExtremelyToxic 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yea, I’m as far-right as it gets and I have nothing against gays. Sort of wish I could be one just to get easy sex. Women are cunts to deal with.

[–]tempolaca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be the pink pill, lol.

[–]allrandomworldnews1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

shit test Divide and conquer measure to distract from other issues

[–]TheseNthose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We got Francisco Franco over here.

[–]dthroew12 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

"Family, Faith, Fatherland" are actually the imperatives of Fascism.

[–]Joey_Lopez9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why we can't tell females our real names or addresses anymore. We need to make sure that we can ghost 100% without a trace. It's either that or go full MGTOW. I don't think females can even blame us for it with the #MeToo witch hunt.

[–]Helmut_Newton40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Reading all this stuff, I keep returning to the quote by Heartiste: "The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality."

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very interesting, and pretty much right.

[–]SKRedPill17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The media is the ideal female space - lots of talk and noise.

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun50 points51 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Should we be going MGTOW at this point?

[–]Hillary_For_Prison23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In many ways I feel like that will be the ultimate final outcome of feminism: men abandoning women and society collapsing.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like there’s been a bit of a convergence between the red pill and MGTOW schools of thought because the world has changed so rapidly. They both diagnose the same problem, they just have different solutions.

The only real difference between red pill and MGTOW is that MGTOW can live without pussy and red pill can’t. As the risks of hookup culture increase though, the difference between the ideologies narrows.

[–]ice_and_snow8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong on your claim that betad are at high risk. Going beta after sex is (for now) the rather safe way to avoid relationship. Every man is at risk, but mostly assholes or wannabe alphas. Being alpha and attractive puts you in additional risk of being on target of women you have rejected. You have to be very careful to keep your distance, not being friendly or act beta towards the women who may be interested in you. This saves your ass but does not help with your rights. Human rights. (Reporting from Sweden)

[–]PlastIconoclastic6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t often comment here, but this post is right on point. Women want to have the agency to get retribution for not exercising agency at the time. I will admit that I think there are some biological factors that females evolved to be more passive during sex. Hormonal changes during arousal may cloud their judgement and the cloud fades after sex. That does not make the sex a crime. Two people having sex while drunk does not make only the one with a penis a criminal. This puts men in an indefensible position if these women can act on their feelings as facts. Make sure to discuss plans for sex by text for a record. Protect yourself.

[–]greatamericancities12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Started reading the article and noticed that the first few stories include a man claiming he was pressured into sex by a woman and a woman claiming she was pressured into sex by another woman. Should be interesting to see how the #metoo movement and the cooperative legal system handle those cases.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Won’t have any effect. These are a minute number of cases.

[–]hirayama_ronin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. They are inserted to give the illusion of equality. #metoo is all about heterosexual women accusing heterosexual men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I always thought I wouldn’t hesitate to speak up if I felt uncomfortable in an intimate situation. But at 1 a.m on a Saturday with a shirtless sophomore, I cared more about how to politely make him leave than standing up for myself. A week prior, we’d matched on Tinder, sporadically texting, half-heartedly trying to make plans. When we finally did, after a campus party, I found myself trying to think of ways to end the night while protecting his dignity, immediately regretting my decision to meet up.

Within thirty seconds of entering my room, he started kissing me aggressively. I kissed back for a minute, then recoiled. He leaned in. I let him. He started unbuttoning my shirt. Alarm bells rang in my brain. I shifted my position and his hand fell away. “Sorry, I’m not really a hookup kind of person,” I said, despite all evidence to the contrary. I’d found previous hookups empowering in the moment but ultimately unsatisfying. I didn’t know why I’d gone down that road again when it wasn’t what I wanted.

“Okay,” he said. “Just talking is fun too.”

I doubted that was what he really thought. Our talk was interjected with kissing. He made me uncomfortable with his forcefulness, yet he hadn’t done anything that would constitute sexual assault. I had invited him over and kissed him back. But if he hadn’t technically done anything wrong, why did I feel so terrible?

If she FEELS terrible, then she’s violated, despite all the evidence that there’s no evidence that it constituted sexual assault, in her own words.

[–]dDiegoDLV6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These "strong, empowered women" are anything but. How the fuck is this guy supposed to know to stop kissing her when she admits she is kissing him back? These girls sound truly clueless. If he was going to force himself on her he already would have been doing it.

They want to run the world, but can't even tell a man to get out of her bed. Even saying no it to complicated for them.

[–]Modredpillschool3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But if he hadn’t technically done anything wrong, why did I feel so terrible?

Female solipsism. Their feelings dictate their reality. If they feel it, then it must be true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy literally did nothing wrong. He’s not even in a gray area. This is really scary.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This sucks. I love sex but it seems like the only answer is to go MGTOW-Monk.

[–]00chuffer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Metoo will be looked back on in history as women whoring themselves out to get what they want, don't deserve or didn't work for and either not getting what they want or regret their choice to whore themselves on the cheap. Only to call it rape because they feel bad about their life choices.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I've been considering buying a little GoPro camera to set up in my room that I can set to film whenever I bring a girl over. I'm in Canada, which is one party consent, so it'd be a perfect deflection to any potential #metoo's. Thoughts?

[–]2CasaDeFranco16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have several nanny cams in my home for security purposes, most can store data for the last year online. If you have a nice apartment with expensive assets like a library collection it's a wise investment. I also have a travel one I use whilst away on business to monitor assets like my laptop, suits and any thing I do within the bedroom if there is no safe at the hotel or airbnb.

If you're taking many women back to your place it's also relevant; however filming without consent is broadly illegal but I would rather take the hit on a lesser charge and utilise the audio to mitigate a rape charge going to court in the worst case scenario.

In my country (Australia) it is illegal insofar if you publish and or distribute said images. I spoke to my lawyer and he stated that given I have a cleaner come in once a week and I have five cameras in my city property, it's unlikely one would be charged with such an offense within these circumstances.

In California where I often do business it is as follows, it has to display an intimate body part of another identifiable person, and intentionally distributed. Audio for example disclosed exclusively by your lawyer to the police would not warrant the above.

[–]valery_fedorenko 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Could you share how you set up a basic monitoring system? I've been trying to figure out how to do this efficiently.

can store data for the last year online

Do you use a pay service for that year's worth of online storage? It seems like multiple camera feeds uploading 24/7/365 would take tremendous bandwidth/storage.

Also, how do you hide the camera in the bedroom or do you use one of those hidden clock cameras or something? It seems like if a woman noticed the camera she could cause you a lot of grief, too (even if she can't win the legal case).

[–]2CasaDeFranco1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had interns at my company make the system which I also use at my office also; it was originally a test project to see how they perform as engineers. They used modified arduinos that broadcast and save data to my companies server. You can probably buy your own IoT camera that has a subscription service.

They used a sensor package to only film with an x minutes of motion. I have NBN at my work and apartment property and the resolution isn't incredibly high given it's a small camera so data wise it's not an issue.

I then 3d printed the housings and placed them inside my house, two in fire detectors and the rest in motion sensor cases; you can use thingiverse to find these files.

I don't have a camera in the bathroom, the camera's are legitimately for security purposes. Even if a person assumed it was a camera, they would need a ladder to verify to which I would ask them to politely leave for being paranoid.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Scenario 1 - No rape accusations but someone finds out your recording everything.

You are branded a sexual predator and probably go to jail.

Scenario 2 - you get me too'd and branded a sexual predator and probably got to jail.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So effectively a 100% chance of going to jail no matter what? In that case I may as well do nothing. Why not bring back a feminist now and get it over with

[–]DickTerper 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't know about Canada, but if you read the US stories in the article, most included explicit verbal consent.

Also, would a recorded video help Aziz Ansari? I don't think so. Would probably make it so much worse, since he'd labelled a creepy perv to film the encounter, even if it wasn't illegal. I'm willing to bet he'd lose his career over this.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine any case against me would crumble instantly upon hearing I have video evidence against them. 99% of girls would drop charges because they don't want anyone watching the video, and anyone crazy enough to do it wouldn't have much of a case with said conclusive video evidence in play.

I agree it might not help Aziz Ansari, but that's entirely due to his celebrity status being used against him. To any normal guy it wouldn't negatively impact them more than false rape accusations would.

[–]officeManipulator5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't live in the USA and I find that this movement is spreading throughout the world at a terrifying pace. What "feminism" has become is essentially giving the right to women to not take accountability and responsibility, two of the core principles of Men.

Going back to the above principles, my value add is how you men should respond, especially those who are currently battling leftism in the USA:

  1. Don't show off. Hide all wealth, job, victories, progress, grades, intellect, properties etc. you have made off your labor.
  2. Shut up and listen. Keep the words you have in your mind to your self, and open your mouth to the minimum.
  3. Similar to 2, keep your messaging to a minimum. You should have been too busy working out/upgrading your intelligence/listening to audiobooks/reflect on life to even do this. Your messaging should only include details that can be measured by a clock, price or lattitude/longitue. Examples include: date/appointment details (time/place/venue), travel plans, location details, food menus, wine menus, and confirming directions.

Justifications: 1. Most of these women who walk down the feminist path has a core belief that they can have anything they want just because they want it - like a Parasite. And a parasite will not attack a a host that has nothing. So if these women believe that you have nothing to offer but charms and sex, that's what they will go for, believing that attacking you will benefit them nothing.

Women are irrational creatures, but they are still rational enough when real things exist. they see you have a nice house, they want it.

2&3. Speaking/messaging very little gives you huge advantages, as follows:

a. Keeping yourself mysterious, so that girls have to work hard to know you.

b. Keeping your labor and capital. The less you speak about yourself, the less you expose yourself about your material worth, hence the less likely parasites are inclined to you.

c. Whatever you put in writing can always be used as evidence against you, so only put objective stuff in your writing.

Lastly, you should always have a small circle of friends that you can really trust to be vulnerable with and be open with. It is important that you have a soft spot that you can be comfortable having and not being pierced by outside forces, as nowadays in the feminist rule, men could be completely demolished for life over a tiny thing.

[–]tempolaca6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

> in most cases the woman seems to catch these regrets at the precise moment the sex is over.

No, she catch these regrets at the precise moment he doesn't call her back.

[–]sartori473 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The best part of that article is that almost all of the top reader's pick comments are criticising it.

[–]DrankOfSmell4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If #metoo actually pulls off setting this precedent, many men will stop participating in hookup culture out of self-preservation and women will have far less options, so they’re shooting themselves in the foot but I’d be surprised if they give a shit up until the exact moment of regret after hookup culture is already dead.

[–]dDiegoDLV4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are clueless. #metoo is already fucking things up for them in the work place and spawned #mentorher. Maybe #sharethedick is coming next when men fear regret rape destroying their lives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And then the circle of the sexual revulotion will be complete

[–]NibblyPig24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If a person cannot give consent because they're not capable of articulating or expressing it then we should probably make a law that says we can't have sex with women because there's a high chance they're cognitively unable to consent. This is the impression I'm getting from the article. There's functionally no difference between having sex with someone who is mute and thus doesn't give consent and someone who is ... mute and doesn't give consent.

[–]Mr_Zarika22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting, I was reading through some passages in the Bible recently, and one verse stood out:

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Genesis 3:16

Even back then, ancient religions were noticing that the curse of being a woman is to forever have your desire pointed to your husband (or men in general) but you can never reach equality. He will always rule over you.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That curse God placed on woman is the root of feminism.

[–]TryhardPantiesON3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like you, and I would like to see some more verses from the Bible psted here,p and explain how they relate to todays events or society.

[–]spacedogg8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If i didn't love pussy so much I'd just leave them alone forever

[–]UselessBrakes4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isnt the point in this article that women must learn better how to express themselves and stop feeling guilty for saying no?

[–]BurnieSlander5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s as though, because women aren’t as physically capable of rape, they want to be granted the legal and technical equivalent of being able to destroy somebody’s life.

If that is their idea of equality, it’s a pretty pathetic conclusion to “the movement”

[–]jesper_lundqvist7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it just goes to show that for women, consent is a state of mind rather than a concrete intention. In what other world would a woman be able to retroactively withdraw consent and have it taken seriously? If anything, it underlines that it's not having sex which is important, it's the manner in which you have it, because that's ultimately what will determine her state of mind the next day when she returns to day-to-day life.

I notice that it is not so much the masculine, forthright men who are the target of these #metoo-style reversals, but rather the uncertain boys who dither and dally (and I would wager) have sex with the same level of enthusiasm as a fish out of water. I can't prove this, but I think it's true: Aziz Ansari sounds like a classic case of it.

We know that women put a lot of stock in what other women think; social proof is an example of that. If a guy does sex properly, she will probably assume he's done it with other women too and would think twice about making a #metoo accusation. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a flaccid affair, she's probably not the only one who's experienced it. He is therefore an easier target to be painted as a weird creep to be described as rapey: her social circle will probably back her up.

In conclusion, it seems that it's not about how true the accusation is, but how credible it sounds. Let the buyer beware.

[–]hirayama_ronin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If anything, it underlines that it's not having sex which is important, it's the manner in which you have it, because that's ultimately what will determine her state of mind the next day when she returns to day-to-day life.

If only that were true. What #metoo strongly suggests is that men face a challenge not only to secure consent, not only to, as you put it, manage her state of mind in the moment and also the next day, but also to manage her perception for 10 years later.

How can any man manage women's long-term sentiments about their sexual experiences when women update them moment by moment with new information, rewriting history?

The answer is they can't.

[–]Mwoods34210 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well fellas, it’s the end of the world. Looks like I’ll be seeing you all in jail... gonna be a party. Haha #Redisthenewblack

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No need to fret. Just leave the US

[–]Mwoods3424 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Vamos pastillas Rojas, ya vamos, nos estamos mudando a Argentina a vivir con los nazis escapantes!!!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

a la mierda, quiero ir a columbia y follar a sus mujeres

[–]Mwoods3420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shakira mi unicuerno... ya vengo!

[–]CryptoNazi2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd likely kill a woman that tries to screw me over like that.

[–]twofones2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Which makes sense: women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

I've been thinking about how being on an even plane with a woman is the most dangerous place to be. If you're above her she respects you, if you're below her she leaves you the fuck alone. It's only when she has to disambiguate your position (because you've presented yourself as an equal parter (beta)) that you invite hypergamy's wrath and machinations. Equality is dangerous. If she isn't treating you like a flight attendant treats you, you really are better off backing away.

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Id also add that the radical push with this whole metoo premise is:

  • Men need sex

  • Make pursuing sex with a woman (which is not a guarantee of success) incredibly risky/criminalize such behavior

  • Replace that pursuit with PAYMENT (contrary to the above, it's a guaranteed success) so as long as that money is being put towards the economy in the form of sex robots, sugar-daddying (for handbag shopping of course) and other such things.

  • all sexual interactions become monetized and profitable by circumventing the 'dangerous' laws and social environment of metoo.

That's the Kike way, and its gonna happen.

[–]htowntrav4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In perspective this #metoo movement might accomplish what a cultural religious stronghold had not accomplished with shame,guilt, and bad life decisions could not

[–]modTheRedPike[M] -6 points-5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Settle down, adolf.

[–]Luckyluke233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a woman's report that "most, if not all" of her many sexual encounters were non-consensual.

does she even LIKE sex? good god!

Incidentally, this conclusion arose in her when her long-term partner asked her how many past sexual partners she had, whereupon she suddenly realizes that she doesn't have to count any encounter that was "non-consensual"...

well there it is. we all know betas want this perfect woman who doesn't ride ANY cocks at all so she can just say she was "raped" and then count like 3 sexual encounters so the beta stays...

The woman was horny, so she had the sex she wanted, gratified her lust, now she's stuck with the cost: being labeled a slut for quickly yielding to her desires with a man who isn't her socially acceptable partner, boyfriend or husband.

you forget that in our society now... the biggest sin isn't killing, touching kids or blowing up a whole bunch of people... it's slut shaming. AT ALL COSTS she will try EVERYTHING not to look like a slut.

This happened in virtually all cases, yet the woman wonders why she only found "her voice" or "power to resist" after the sex is over, alas "too late". Bitch, you were horny, you wanted to fuck, so you had your lust satisfied, then retroactively disavowed consent because it's convenient.

i get this is what you get when you have the "cock on steroids" that is tinder

women who had sex with a beta should feel bad, biologically speaking, especially when no commitment was granted in exchange. They got possibly impregnated with bad genes, without the compensation of material support or commitment - the worst possible deal for her, evolutionary speaking.

sure.. but when should not be punished for this.

So let this be a warning to you: if you want to participate in the hookup culture - the only mating culture we presently have - then do not be beta.

this is true... but when what an alpha is now to these women... it used to be the top 20%... now it's like the top 5%. Is any guy REALLY safe.

[–]steakhause2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agenda 21 in Full Effect. Limit the population to 250 million of the whole Earth. Georgia Guidestones. Next Step will be genetically test tube be the safest way to have a kid or have sex. Or, just like on Demolition Man, put a device on your head to simulate sex in virtual reality.

[–]1neveragoodtime1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The end result of all feminist actions is counter productive. I imagine a future where the sex offender list is so meaningless as to become a badge of honor for men. Women will use the public address registry to find men to hook up with. Other men will wish they could have sex with a woman to get on the list.

[–]Hjalmbere1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And here I was thinking that this #metoo crap had passed it's best before date...... Sick of hearing of this shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see no evidence indicating any pull back. I believe the crazy is actually accelerating.

[–]Hjalmbere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m starting to think it’s like the Cosa Nostra, if they’re not in the news it means they’re increasing their influence. Are there any good news sources or bloggers focusing on the war against masculinity?

[–]Elecktrozan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are innocent until proven guilty.

[–]kendallb1831 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please remember advice I was given from a lawyer. If your contacted by the police for questioning, that proves they dont have enough evidence to put a warrant out for you or arrest you for the crime. There is nothing you can do to make them have less info, and can only give them more. You may say the exact thing they need to have enough probable cause to arrest you, and then your in for hell. Never answer questions without a lawyer present.

The police will even say if you dont come in for questions, they will put a warrant out for you or they just wanna dismiss this whole thing and are obligated to atleast get your side before they can do so. That if you get a lawyer now your making it a big deal and they will have to go the official route and arrest you...

The police are allowed to lie to you. If they had enough evidence to put you in jail, YOUD BE IN JAIL.

[–]mandathor3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. This means that after casual sex, if a woman judges her slut-status, she will very often create some small amount of doubt / anxiety emotions; both mildly unpleasant emotions.

Now she notices these emotions being unpleasant and has another reaction that falsly blames the man "he made me feel these unpleasant emotions". Potentially followed by a cascade of thoughts related to this second false realization can make her create even more thoughts and emotions that are unpleasant to her. Basically her initial judgement of her slut-status after any encounter has potential to put her down the path of more negative emotions and she wrongly blames the man for it.

It's the negative emotions she herself create (when a man is not to blame for) in retrospect that makes her feel violated and not necessarily the actual sexual encounter. How can you blame men for this???

[–]tikitheman5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I just want to point out that the hashtag # is also known as the pound sign. So the #MeToo movemant is essentially pound me too....

[–]bkrugby780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I saw a meme on that last week and chuckled

[–]TryhardPantiesON1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I more solid advice would be:

  • Don't fuck crazy women.
  • Find a traditional christian woman who follows the commandments of god, who is down to earth and doesn't follow stupid ideologies like feminism.
  • If all else fails go MGTOW, and just pay for sex.

[–]bitcoin1188-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alao father and raise traditional christian daughters. No public school no tv. Internet restricted to studies and some leisure. Its not avoidable but try your best to instill christian values and be a strong leader

[–]RxCubed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So if I can't get it up because I popped the wrong kind of pill earlier in the day I would be criminally liable?

"Yo dawg, why you in the joint?"

"One night I was getting some pussy, but I had a broken dick, my G."

[–]dDiegoDLV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gets drunk and goes to guys house, says yes twice to him. NYT printed this as an example of #metoo? Shit like this is why most men think #metoo is a joke and it hurts the real victims.

Alcohol was my unlimited get-out-of-jail-free card. With the newness of intoxication as an excuse, I could flirt without repercussion, embrace my nascent sexuality without consequence. So when the boy answered the door and invited me in to watch a movie, I agreed, thinking, “What’s the harm in that? Nothing serious will happen with his roommate there.”

We were several minutes into the film when he started rubbing my shoulders and muttered, “Is this okay?” in my ear.

A strange concoction of guilt and arousal descended over me and I tensed. I knew I shouldn’t be doing this. I knew under different circumstances I wouldn’t be doing this. But at the same time, my mind foggy and clouded, I didn’t know if I wanted him to stop. “Um … yes?” I whispered back.

The boy’s hands trailed from my back, circling forward to a place my mother referred to as the “husband-only zone.” And suddenly, I started to feel queasy.

“And this?” he asked.

I was silent for longer this time, before the word “yeah” emerged in a nervous high-pitched squeak.

He started to fumble with my buttons, hands grazing over my racing heart.

You’ve let it go too far now, I thought. It would be rude to stop him. Besides, you felt good before. Maybe it will get better? Meaghan, New York

[–]cowboyfromhell3241 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aren't they already getting enough in the divorce? Good lord

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucker's remorse.

Good post and I totally agree.

[–]occupythekitchen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If sex was as traumatizing as some of these women make it seem to be then how come there are less nuns today than in the past?

You'd think a lot more women would save themselves to god were this the case.

What they regret is not getting something more than an orgasm for putting out

[–]Ferocious2450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all to control the population growth. Its a pretty clever scheme. Still, fuck as many women as you want to, rubber or not, and just hold your frame. People are scarily retarded. I'll say it again, people are SCARILY retarded and you have to figure out how to trick them into leaving you alone. Especially cops, judges, your plate's white knight warriors, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well , i say , never give your real name or home address to these cunts, if she's a one night stand and you dont want to fuck with her anymore ,just ghost her,if she tries do contac you its because she want more, this never fail.

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just beta males who have to worry; what's to stop her from falsely accusing alpha male Chad Thundercock once she realizes that he isn't going to commit to her? I probably sound like a broken record but you have to record everything! Even if it's just audio, everyone's phone can easily and discreetly do it. That way should the worst happen and you get arrested, you just say "I refuse to speak without counsel present", get a lawyer, and give them the recording. If they go after you on social media and try to get you fired or expelled from college, just dump the recording all over social media. Fight back!

[–]bonusfruit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing in the redpill sidebar about this eh fellas? No amount of frame, lifting or plate spinning can help you alpha out of a new age rape allegation. The game is no longer worth playing

[–]Skiffbug0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you may have misconstrued the article. I think the idea was to show a panoply of greyness, from the most obvious (“I said no countless times, yet sex still happened”), to the most ridiculous (“He misconstrued my words, and them we had sex”. WTF, you yada-yada’d the relevant bit). I mean c’mon, some of those girls are saying they are the victim because the guy tried having sex and got rejected. Although I agree the number of stories from women are a bit overwhelming, the article actually doesn’t conclude anything. It is more about opening a discussion than it is about passing judgment.

[–]hirayama_ronin0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

By placing this discussion under the rubric of #metoo, it implicitly categorizes all of these events as borderline abusive cases.

Furthermore, we all know, or at least I do, of cases where men have had their careers or lives destroyed by accusations involving borderline behavior.

As a woman might say, context is everything. Today the context is #metoo.

[–]Skiffbug0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Again, my take was that it was also putting the #metoo movement up for discussion. As we’ve seen, there a few absolutely ludicrous claims using the metoo hashtag.

[–]hirayama_ronin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the same paper, the New York Times, has most recently published multiple stories about an ongoing scandal involving a gynecologist who is accused, so far as I can tell, of banter and pulling out a tampon and holding it up too long. For these and a few other ambiguous incidents, the man's life is being destroyed by America's newspaper of record, while begging its readers to come forward if they have any information.

What I mean is, the New York Times can no longer be assumed to be a fair player. They are not only reporting on #metoo. They are inventing it, extending it, intensifying it. To say they want to put #metoo into question is itself the most questionable thing.

[–]philadelphiasports0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i love how the girls who had sex with guys who asked for consent and asked what she wanted are looked down upon according to their accounts, but then the girls who hook up with guys who dont ask for consent are also looked down upon by the girls. damned if you do, damned if you dont

[–]Mr-B40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So if a woman is shitty or threatining/ forceful in the bedroom can men charge women?

[–]Belzebuthian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a perfectly good explanation for all this shit: BIOLOGY. Let me elaborate. Women are twice as likely to orgasm in LTR rather than ONS. Women are not wired to enjoy ONS. Sex has been for millennia a huge risk for women. Pregnancy was unavoidable and the investment in offspring was huge for them. They are wired to appreciate the commitment of the male because that signals a better chance for the survival of the progeny. It's in the genes. There is nothing they can do to alleviate it. Women were duped by us to participate in the hookup culture and it's making them hugely unhappy.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/20/hook-up-culture-is-making-women-miserable-study-fi/

There used to be a barrier, the woman was the one that said NO. Now there's none and we are like a kid in the candy store. Why commit when it's no longer necessary. They are playing THEMSELVES by participating in the hookup culture.

There's only unhappiness for them in the current market and they do not know why and how to deal with it. As a result they blame us!

[–]TryhardPantiesON0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey I remember there was an app designed for this. It was something like Tinder, Badoo, etc and the special thing about this app, was that it had an option to consent to sex or something like that, I don't remember the name but I am sure it would come in useful tp avoid being accused of sexual assault/rape.

[–]Anterzhul2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its even a plotline in a Black Mirror episode... Still this would be useless because "I wanted to withdraw consent halfway through but couldnt reach my phone"

Probably even worse because she gets a record of the fact that you had sex.

[–]eyezofnight0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So if you alpha widow a woman, she can destroy your life?

[–]magx010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is an offshoot of the fallacy rampant in the cultural psychological belief system which holds external sources responsible for internal states (it/he/she made me feel.....).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as someone who is going thru this right now, ty

[–]GlennBeckAmerica0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who's been to prison..I dont say this to sound cool either, cause its def not..Ive seen how sex offenders are treated. It dont matter if she was 17, you really didnt do it, or whatever the case may be..hell maybe u did do it....you are gonna have a bad fucking time. If u get a state prison sentence and are known to have "one of those cases"....you're not gonna come out the same person. For worse or better lol.

[–]The_Chiselnator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically, don't stick your dick in crazy. Vet your sloots.

Secondly obtain proof of consent whether via text, recorded call or video (I know some states have rules but a video clip could mean no charges without going to court)

Third, get a follow up text the follwoing morning. Something along the lines of "last night was great I absolutely enjoyed your gorgeous body....insert something like how she moans, arched her body etc"

Treat your women with some decency after fucking them. Don't bee too much of an asshole. Otherwise she might leave crying and collect witnesses from the hallway to the cab to her place and you are fucked.

Most importantly: Don't be a noodle-armed, pencil necked Beta. This might protect you for a time. As you know women rarely pick serious fights with men who can fight back.

[–]bouncypoo-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even worse is it allows women to condemn men or claim “assault”, if men even try to make sexual advances. Be careful out there boys, I’m just going to work on my self for a few years and hopefully the pendulum swings back in our favor.

[–]melvocado 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No. MeToo goes to show that harassment is more pervasive than people might think. It isn't "an isolated incident" if every woman you know has been catcalled, made uncomfortable or harassed by men. It's saying hey, hey this a problem, they don't like it, and can men stop purposely making women uncomfortable and stop catcalling. Treat them like human beings. Treat them with respect.

[–]1swaglordobama-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ideally you avoid feelings of remorse in the first place by having the girl invest. Stack the hoops. Make sex something that just happened by saying shit like "this is crazy / so fast, but if feels so good" as you escalate. After sex you can make a short video for your instagram story (nothing adult) of you too laying in bed or hanging out, and ask her if she had a good time. "Another satisfied customer." This has the double effect of socially proofing and preselecting you on social media.

[–]ThrowMyMeAway 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I have followed this sub and lurked since it’s inception, and while it has insightful ideas this is not one of them.

Occasionally, men take advantage of women. Yeah, I know that’s a tough pill to swallow. And, while women will take advantage of men in the exact shitty way described by your post, #MeToo is not about that. #MeToo is aimed at men that use their positions of power to force women (and men sometimes) to do things they aren’t entirely ready to do or comfortable with, for social and political power. Don’t fucking drink this Kool-Aid.

These ideas completely destroy what good can and will come out of a much needed movement. Just because we talk here about how to overcome our own awkwardness and alpha deficiencies does not mean that larger social and political movements are wrong.

We would not be a community without some barriers and problems, even though we HATE to admit this.

Don’t tell me that men and women that use their positions of power to subjugate others in their sexual conquests is not a real thing. If you haven’t seen this in your life or someone else’s, than you need to pull the blinders off and get a fucking clue. This sub is to help YOU with your inability to connect and get what you want. But, if you use your positions of power to force this to happen, I hope #MeToo gobbles you up and spits you for the weak ass bullshit you really are.

Stop picking on those that have been abused, raped, or extorted for someone else’s sexual power fantasy. Just stop.

[–]DickTerper 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

MeToo is aimed at men that use their positions of power to force women (and men sometimes) to do things they aren’t entirely ready to do or comfortable with, for social and political power.

This was a front page article in arguably the most important paper in the country. The title and headline referred to #MeToo directly.

Whether you agree or not, people do consider the stories in this article to be part of #MeToo. Even if they didn't, this article and stories reflect a movement to define sexual and social boundaries.

My post describes this movement and its goals, whether you call it #MeToo or whatever else.

Don’t tell me that men and women that use their positions of power to subjugate others in their sexual conquests is not a real thing.

Nobody is defending actual harassment here. You mentioned harassment by men in positions of power. Yes, that's a real thing. Which nobody is defending, not even us "misogynist" red-pillers. The only advice I ever read here about approach women in the workplace is "don't do it".

Stop picking on those that have been abused, raped, or extorted for someone else’s sexual power fantasy.

Quite the nasty strawman you're throwing around here.

Nobody is defending rape, abuse, extortion, or any of these crimes. The article I quoted doesn't mention them either. It's all about women blaming men for bad feelings they experienced after sex, and labeling any sexual encounter they regret as "sexual assault", for which the male perpetrator should be shamed.

According to the New York Times, that's the zeitgeist. Perhaps you should read the article, and my post.

[–]modTheRedPike[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t fucking drink this Kool-Aid.

Fucking please. This is the sort of shit that turns a pedestrian attempt to disagree, which is ok, into idiotic dick sizing.

[–]wereqryan-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An just like that, being an incel becomes a good thing.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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