A commenter, Johnson, recently posted this comment below. Itâs extremely important since Iâve heard a lot of other men echo his words and feelings:
I follow every point of your Alpha 2.0 system. I have lots of FB‘s and MLTR‘s, and Iâve had many OLTR candidates in the past. I know how to make sure of that if I ever get into an OLTR relationship I can never get hurt legally or financially.
The thing is Iâm sorta in fear of getting emotionally hurt. Fear of getting relationship ruined after investing quite a lot in a woman. Look I wonât mince words here, women are women. I know someday sheâll cheat on me by falling in love with another man. Itâs just that whatâs the point of investing in a relationship then? But if I wonât do it, I feel empty inside. Iâm serious. The FB‘s and MLTR‘s model give me a lot of power in my life, but I feel empty.
Thereâs a lot to unpack here, a lot of feelings that are both valid and unfounded. I know from hearing from thousands of men over the past many years that many of you feel the same (or similar) as Johnson. You feel trapped, in that you donât want to spend the rest of your life having sex with FBs and MLTRs and want something more, but at the same time, you are rational enough to know and admit that the likelihood of such a relationship (or marriage) ending at some point is very high. Which is objectively true.
Iâm usually good at giving absolute and definitive answers to concerns regarding my relationship models. Because weâre dealing with feelings and fears today, this is one of those unusual times where I canât quite do this. All I can do in this scenario is to lay out the facts, then tell you how I have dealt with this issue myself because many years ago I had to wrestle with the same thoughts.
But Iâm not you. We may have similar personalities, which means how Iâve handled this will resonate with you. Or we may have very different personalities, which means the way Iâve dealt with this emotionally may help you a little, or not at all.
Regardless, this is a critical issue for men over the age of 35 in the modern era, so I will do my honest best to help.
Your Age Matters
Letâs start there before I really get into this: age 35. As Iâve said before, if you are under the age of 35, the thought of settling down with a woman may completely turn you off, and thatâs good. Iâve said hundreds of times that no man should even have a girlfriend (monogamous or OLTR doesnât matter) until he is at least 30 years old, shouldnât even think about settling down with a woman (i.e. moving in with a woman) until he is at least 35, and shouldnât have kids (and only if he really wants kids) until all or most of his big goals and dreams in life are already accomplished, which for most men means around age 40 or so.
So if youâre under the age of 35 or so and are worried about this, please donât fret about this much. Youâre too young to be worrying about this yet. Focus on your work, your Mission, self-improvement, and having sex with fun FBs and MLTRs for now. Focus on being a better man so that when the day comes when you do want to settle down, youâll increase the odds of it actually working because of the smarter, happier, more skilled, more confident, more outcome independent, and more abundant man youâll be at that time.
OLTR Marriage
Now for you guys who are age 35 or over (or rapidly approaching that age)â¦
Yes. Youâre right. Women leave men. That is what they are hard-wired to do at a deep biological level for over 100,000 years. This doesnât make women evil, or cunts, or bitches, or sluts, or whatever else a lot of red pill men like to think. No, it makes women normal. Just like you wanting to follow your biology and have sex with multiple women doesnât make you an asshole or immature, her biological desire to eventually get bored or frustrated with a man she lives with doesnât make her an evil bitch. It just makes us human.
So yes, if you marry her or move in with her under a monogamous or OLTR model, the odds are very high sheâll eventually leave you at some point down the road. I happen to think that in a properly managed OLTR marriage to a skilled, decently high SMV Alpha Male 2.0, the odds of her leaving are much lower than with traditional monogamous marriage, but I canât back this up with any hard statistics since society isnât yet brave enough to scientifically study these kinds of marriages. (It will soon as monogamy continues to become less viable, just not yet.)
Also, as an Alpha 2.0, you know that if you get âdivorcedâ in an OLTR marriage, you suffer zero financial damage (because she canât touch your money even if she wants to, and she gets zero alimony) and you suffer zero sexual damage (since you just continue to have sex with your FBs like nothing happened).
Itâs the emotional damage weâre discussing today, but just remember that as an Alpha Male 2.0 with an OLTR marriage, you are light-years ahead of all the morons who are marrying women legally, with no enforceable prenuptial agreements, no separation of finances, and a full expectation of 100% sexual monogamy from both partners forever. (Jesus.) These men are absolutely fucked, regardless of ex-Alpha or ex-PUA status. So just be glad you arenât one of those idiots.
As most of you know, I have already volunteered myself as a guinea pig for OLTR marriage, having been married to Pink Firefly under an OLTR marriage for about a year and a half now. Since I know that women are biologically designed to leave men eventually, I set my goals for this marriage accordingly. I described these goals for this relationship in great detail here. I strongly suggest you read that article because it relates directly to this topic.
Before I get into more detail about what Iâm doing now regarding these mindsets, I should cover what I originally did with this back in the day.
Redefining Success
After my beta male divorce so many years ago, I went through the same thought process many of you did. As a man over age 35, I wanted to eventually be with a woman in some kind of long-term, live-in relationship or marriage (only after taking a few years and having tons of sex with hot younger women, of course, which I did; it was a phase I needed to go through).
But I also knew that women donât work that way. That women are biologically designed to eventually get bored with you (if youâre a beta) or get frustrated with you (if youâre an Alpha). If we lived in an oppressive, unfree, religious society, like America of the 1950s or Saudi Arabia of today, women would be prevented from doing this. But since we live in the left-wing, collapsing Western world today, women can and do take advantage of this in great numbers.
The delusional right-wingers want to go back to that kind of oppressive society, but, back when I was mentally examining these thoughts around 2009, I knew that because of George W. Bush (and now Donald Trump) the right had gone just as insane as the left had always been. This fantasy patriarchy of the right-wing is never going to return to the West in any meaningful way culturally or economically, as Iâve described at my blogs many times. (Just wait and see what happens to all of these irrational Trump supporters when a socialist becomes president of the USA in the next few years. I thought America was going to be âgreat again?â)
Since the outside world wasnât going to help me (and this is usually the case, so get used to it), this meant that I had to re-orienting my thinking, or least redefining what âsuccessâ with women in the long-term meant to me.
I knew that freedom was, and always will be, my number one goal in life. More than love, more than ego, more than social acceptance, more even than money, I wanted freedom. Love and money and all that stuff was (and still is) very important as well, but freedom was number one for me. It had to be. True masculine happiness is impossible without it.
Therefore, I asked myself this question: If, for the rest of my life, I never had a relationship with a woman that lasted longer than three years, could I handle that?
Not, was that ideal? Not even was it probable? Just, could I handle that? In other words, could I still be happy long-term in my life if I knew I could never have a consistent, romantic relationship with a woman that lasted longer than three years?
I didnât have an immediate answer. I had to think on it for a few days. Then one day, my mind came up with the response: yes. Yes, I could still be happy if I never had a relationship with a woman that lasted longer than three years. Again, it wouldnât be optimal, but I would still be happy. I still wanted a relationship that lasted much longer than three years, but I knew that if I never had that, Iâd still be okay.
And I was right; more right than I realized.
After making that self-realization, I indeed had several relationships with several women that lasted much longer than three years! Iâm talking about a real consistent relationship that was well past three years with no LSNFTEs or breaks. So my entire self-imposed limit of âthree yearsâ turned out to be completely false!
I started thinking, âWell, shit, if I can make something last four or five or six years, I should be able to do something that lasts at least 10 years, considering all of this relationship knowledge and experience I now have.â
10 years still wasnât forever. I still had not been snagged by a bunch of right-wing Christian Guy-Disney bullshit about marrying a virgin or whatetever. But 10 years was still a very long time, and it was very achievable.
Then several years later, I met Pink Firefly. She was an FB for about a year, then we didnât see each other for a year, then we resumed as MLTRs, then our feelings for each other blossomed in a big way, she checked all the boxes I had for a wife (what few there were), so I had the OLTR Talk with her. She actually survived it, and I made the upgrade to OLTR complete, with the goal of getting an OLTR marriage. And today, here we are.