This is the tenth installment of the book I never published regarding my history with women and the lessons I learned from it. If you havenât yet, you should read parts one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and nine before you read the article below, so you can be up to speed on where the story picks up. Everything below is all 100% true to the best of my memory, journals, and spreadsheet records, though all the names of the people described have been changed.
We last left off in the spring of 2008, having just recently discovered pick-up artist (PUA) material. I was now determined to integrate what I learned to improve my resultsâ¦
Summer, 2008
Now implementing my new PUA techniques, some of which worked very well (and some of which blew up in my face), and now starting to more reliably get to sex quickly with cute girls, I started getting more confident about the type of women I could open online. The fact I finally moved out of my tiny, “guy going through a divorce” apartment with no bed and into a real house with some real (albeit still shitty) furniture also helped my mental frame.
One day, pretty much out of the blue, I remembered how, while I was married, I fantasized whenever I saw older, hot, curvy, legal teenage girls. Any girls under about age 18 or 19 I was never attracted to, since âmy typeâ is curvy women with big hips, big butts, and big boobs. So the young teenage girls who looked like little girls (the Ariana Grande types) always turned me off, even when I was a teenager. But college-age girls, like those 18 to about 24 who actually had fully developed boobs/butts/hipsâ¦
Hm. I started to wonder.
I thought âIâm 36 years old⦠what would happen if I started messing with much younger women on the dating sites? Not like 25 year-olds, but like 18, 19, and 20 year-olds.â
It was a pure hypothetical curiosity. If figured that if the younger women were disgusted and rejected me, Iâd still be fine since I would just stick with the women age 25-45 who were (more or less) working for me already. But what if even some of the much younger women responded to me favorably? Hm.
Eh, what the hell, I didnât have anything to lose.
So, using the online dating techniques that I knew were more or less already working for me, I started opening the younger women, women age 18 to about 23. (And I kept on opening women in the usual age ranges too; I didnât want to put all of my eggs in the younger women basket.)
As I expected, the vast, vast majority most of the younger women either ignored my online openers or responded with revulsion. These responses ranged from pure disgust (âOMG youâre my dadâs age you fucking pedo!â) to confusion (âUm, Iâm 19. Why are you messaging me?â)
My usual positive response rates, which were pretty good with women in my own age range, dropped like a stone with women under the age of 23, somewhere around 1-3% or worse.
However! 1-3% meant there were indeed a tiny few younger women I messaged who responded favorably. I was shocked. I had no idea this would happen. I remember how strange it felt at the time to have some hot 18 year-old actually respond favorably to my messages and wanting to carry on a real conversation with me. These were Type 2 VYW, those few younger women naturally attracted to much older men and who donât really like guys their own age, but I didnât know that yet at the time.
Lesson Seventeen
The bigger the age difference, the lower your response rates will be, particularly when the age difference goes over ten years, and thereâs nothing you can do about this. BUT! As long as the response rate isnât zero, you can still get results. I did. And still do.
Shortly, I actually got one of those girls to agree to a first date. She was 20 years old and we met at a Starbucks. Again, I was shocked that a 20 year-old girl would actually want to drive out to a date to meet me, a 36 year-old dad with a son who was just a few years younger than her.
Iâve already talked about what happened on that date here and in my younger woman book, but the summary was that despite the fact she was dingy as hell, even borderline irritating, I felt an unusual wave of horniness right after I got home after the date, unlike anything I had experienced before. Sadly, I never saw her again because I didnât handle the follow-up correctly.
This experience clearly showed me two things: A) at least some hot, younger women will agree to go out on a date with me, and B) these women clearly made me horny even if they bored me to death on the date.
So I kept at it, messaging more younger women, getting horrible response rates and a few angry responses. Eventually, I got another first date with one. She was even better-looking than the first one; a very tall, blonde 19 year-old who looked like a model. Not really my type (I dislike tall women and her boobs werenât very big), but still very attractive, so I went for it.
First date went great, follow-up went great, but we never met up again. Dammit! Either she went back to another guy she was fucking (most likely) or her schedule just became too chaotic. She also lived almost an hour away from me so logistics were not favorable.
Regardless, I got a little closer with her than the first one, so I was making progress. I kept trying. Even when I got first dates scheduled, often these younger women would cancel or flake. Such is the nature of younger women.
Lesson Eighteen
The flake rate and reschedule rate for women under the age of 23 is far, FAR higher than women over 23. Expect this, adjust accordingly, and put in much more numbers when dealing with women this age.
Eventually, the third time was the charm. I scheduled a first date with a very cute, trim, 18 year-old redhead with big boobs whom Iâll call Selina. Though I did not know it at the time, Selina would be a huge goldmine of sex and relationships and relationships for me, not just from her, but from many other women, and for many years to come. She represented a turning point in my woman life from âsomewhat workingâ to âinsane crazyâ that would set the stage for the next two or three years.
We were going to meet at a local cheap restaurant since she was too young to meet me at a bar. (I had not yet developed a system on exactly where to have first dates with women who were under drinking age; I would develop that later.) On my way out to the restaurant, she sent me a text saying she would be a little late. I arrived alone at the restaurant and waited. Ten minutes later she texted again, and was saying she was having car trouble. A similar text came in ten more minutes after that.
Ah, younger women. Itâs the nature of the beast. I shrugged, assumed she wasnât going to make it, and ordered a salad since I was getting hungry.
Forty minutes later she was still texting me, saying she was trying to âget out there.â I told her to forget it and went back home. It upset me that she never showed up, but at least she kept communicating, and that was a good sign. Over the next few days she sent me sexy pictures of herself to my phone (I had a Blackberry back then), without any prompting from me (I never ask women to send me photos; that’s stupid; I want sex, not photos).
Finally, we nailed down another time to meet; 10:30pm, right after another first date I had. I was going to pick her up at her apartment and then figure out where to take her. (I was still not 100% organized regarding setting up logistics at this point.) So I had my first date of the evening at a bar downtown (a first date with a 28 year-old blonde corporate woman who worked for a large bank), wrapped it up in about an hour, then drove out to Selina’s apartment, arriving at exactly 10:30pm. Multiple first and second dates in one evening was common for me at this point.
She had friends over at her apartment, and she was unwilling to explain to them that she was meeting up with an older man, so she said she would meet me in the parking lot. I pulled up, and sure enough, there she was, dressed in a long tight shirt and shorts that were so damn short they barely covered her 18 year-old ass.