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What happens when you drop a bunch of women on an island to fend for themselves?

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by spicy_fries on /r/TheRedPill
07 February 2014 08:44 PM UTC
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This is a great comment from an ROK article that proves that feminism is nothing but a collective shit test.

"Quite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of watching the Dutch version of Survivor with my feminist roommate. That particular series of Dutch Survivor would have two islands, one populated by men and one populated by women. The feminist roommate had been promoting that particular series to me and the other students in the house for weeks because it would show us, according to her, what a society run by women - free from the evils of Patriarchy – would be like.

And it did. Oh it did.

Here is what happened: Initially both groups were dropped on their respective islands, given some supplies to get started and left to fend for themselves. In both groups there was some initial squabbling as people tried to figure out a local hierarchy. The men pretty much did whatever they felt was necessary – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting, foraging or fishing did so. Another guy decided he was fed up with sitting on sand and started making benches. Others built a hut that gradually grew and evolved. Another guy cooked every night. Within days a neat little civilization was thriving, each day being slightly more prosperous than the previous one.

The women settled into a routine as well. The hung up a clothesline to dry their towels, then proceeded to sunbathe and squabble. Because unlike men, women were unable to do anything without consensus of the whole group. And because it was a group of at least a dozen women, consensus was never reached. During the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, got drenched by tropical storms several times, were eaten alive by sand fleas and were generally miserable. The men on the other hand, were quite content. There were disagreements of course, but they were generally resolved.

Watching this with my feminist roommate was wonderful.Initially she tried to rationalize the differences, but her arguments became weaker and weaker. Eventually, the people running the program decided something had to change. In order to help the women out, three men would be selected to go to their island. In return, three women would take their place at the men’s island. The look on my feminist roommates face during this episode was priceless.

Initially, the three men selected for the women’s island were ecstatic, for obvious reason. But then they arrived at the island and were greeted by the women. ‘Where is your hut?’,they asked. ‘We have no hut’ ‘Where are your supplies?’ they asked, dismayed ‘We ate all the rice’

And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe.

The three women who were sent to the men’s island were delighted – food, shelter and plenty of male attention was freely available.They too continued to sunbathe.

And that my friends, is what Patriarchy is. My former roommate is no longer a feminist."

You can see the actual comment here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/27852/why-patriarchy-is-the-greatest-social-system-ever-created#comment-1233528862



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Title What happens when you drop a bunch of women on an island to fend for themselves?
Author spicy_fries
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Date 07 February 2014 08:44 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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353 upvotesWhisper6 years ago

It is to be remembered that "patriarchy" doesn't literally mean "rule by men".

It means "rule by fathers". That distinction is super-important. Fathers are the subset of men who are most invested in society. It is they who are willing to sacrifice their personal welfare for that of society.

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44 upvotesIllimitableMan6 years ago

Because feminists socially and politically charged the word to have negative oppressive connotations. Matriarchy comes from maternal, patriarchy comes from paternal - mother and father. Etymology exposing that bullshit.

-9 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

What? Come on, think it through a bit. If all the power is concentrated in the fathers hands, that means all the power is inevitably.. In the males hands. Are there many self proclaimed feminists who might not know what they're talking about? Sure. But don't act as if the initial feminists didn't understand the concept when they decided they didn't like it.

3 upvotesIllimitableMan6 years ago

It's always amusing how one can say one thing and another can infer something else entirely.

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24 upvotesmydarkmeatrises6 years ago

After reading the Wiki, the woman won. Did she contribute during the show? Did she have any qualities that justified her winning?

56 upvotesHahahahaWaitWhat6 years ago

No, but she had some qualities that justified her being selected as the winner in front a TV audience.

39 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Namely, a vagina.

7 upvotesRedBigMan6 years ago

So basically if it was her vs a guy in the finale she'd probably get all the votes from dudes with dicks and maybe a few feminista votes.

11 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

She'd get all the feminista votes and some white knights.

28 upvotesnshaq6 years ago

The thing about these "competitions" is like this... If someone is exceeding and is really successful, many of the other players vote him out, because they are no match against that person. They eliminate tough competition this way. So for example if you had two dudes and one chick in the semi finals, the weaker of the two would vote the strong one out because that way they both still have a chance to win. There is a very good chance you end up with the woman and the weaker of the two men in the finals.

7 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

Actually...

The women couldn't get anything done because they demanded consensus for everything. When it came time for competitions, wouldn't the female strategy then be useful? They'd vote as a bloc against the men who would vote piecemeal. Or so I guess.

41 upvotesjunkiexxl6 years ago

The show isnt really about surviving skills. Its mostly a social game. Every episode one person has to leave by a voting system. So when you dont have any enemies you have the biggest chance to stay because nobody votes on you.

The men who claim leadership are usually voted away because they are in the spotlight and sort of responsible for anything that goes wrong. Also strong and productive people are voted away because they are the "biggest threat" in the endgame. Its usually a bunch of women who group up and put all their votes on one person. And the good men vote on each other because they want to eliminate competition.

This leads to the removal of the best contestants and leaves you with a bunch of women and suckups.

Also the endgame consists of games where you have to make fire, a raft then paddle 100 meters over sea, but Always ends with a silly game like slingshotting a coconut over a distance of 20 meters in a bucket, pure randomness. This way even the slow contestants can win if the first guy to arrive is unlucky.

15 upvotesneilmcc6 years ago

Bit like communism.

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0 upvotesautowikibot5 years ago

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Rupert Boneham (born January 27, 1964) is an American mentor for troubled teens, who became known to reality television audiences in 2003 as a contestant on Survivor: Pearl Islands where he placed 8th. He later appeared on the All Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, and Blood vs. Water seasons of Survivor, placing 4th, 6th, and 20th respectively. He was ultimately a fan favorite among Survivor viewers, who voted him the million dollar winner on Survivor: America's Tribal Council, a special episode of Survivor: All-Stars. The prize was awarded after a nationwide popular vote in which Boneham received 85% of the votes cast.

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6 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

Women always win because the guys will vote each other out for invisible pussy and the women will all backstab each other at a 1-1 ratio. so it goes in order of least liked guys -> least attractive women -> guys -> most attractive woman wins. The only time men win are when the women are all 7's and 8's and he's mindblowingly productive/successful.

4 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

I'd rather the audience vote people out.

3 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

It would literally work the exact same way. The only difference is the pussy would be even distant, and thus higher on the pedestal.

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79 upvotesgekkozorz6 years ago

The problem with this mindset of inclusiveness, of course, is the simple fact that less shit gets done. It's poisonous to productivity.

I studied Economics in school, and one of the first things I learned was that "specialization increases the pie."

If I'm great at fixing computers but shitty at fixing cars, I'd create more value for both myself and society at large by working as an IT technician, rather than an auto mechanic. If everyone in a given society does what they're best at, maximum value is created, the economy expands, and everyone's individual piece of the pie is bigger.

There's a reason gender roles exist. Sometimes people are better at some things than others.

35 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

I learn so much here. Fucking thank you.

15 upvotesRichardBehiel6 years ago

See also: comparative advantage.

22 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Feminists only force inclusiveness on men. They have no problem with their women-only areas.

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5 upvotesphoneprofile6 years ago

I saw guys who posted saying quite a bit of the white men walked out on the meetings when it devolved into a massive circle jerk of feminism and minority rights issues. Feminism destroyed the occupy movement. All the leadership guys left early.

12 upvotescharlie_bodango6 years ago

Remember OWS? "We don't need leaders." Also feminists and "discriminated aggainst" minority groups hijacking the discussion to complain. And look how well that went.

2 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

They really didn't need leaders but they DID need a mechanism to keep bullshit out. Leaders can do that though.

18 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

A little off-topic but y'all might find this interesting.

The way the men acted on that island is exactly how (good) worker cooperatives work - everyone is personally responsible for the whole but operates independently. People fill out niches as they need to. This is also how startups work.

The way the women acted was more like state socialism - everyone is collectively but not individually responsible for the whole. So no one took any initiative so nothing got done.

11 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

The women acted socialist, indeed. They just forgot that they needed someone (a man) to do all the providing for them.

10 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

The point of my comment is that there are different kinds of socialism. They embodied the worst kind while the men embodied the best.

9 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Socialism only works with a very productive tax base supporting the non productive part. Women love socialism as long as they have another group doing the supporting.

The setup basically split a socialist society between productive and I non-productive groups.

1 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

tax

You're describing state socialism. Anarcho-syndicalism and even just a worker cooperative majority bypasses that bullshit while dramatically reducing inequality.

Unfortunately central planning and socialism grew to prominence together so people think they're synonymous.

-1 upvotesHeuristics6 years ago

The main issue here is cooperation vs non-cooperation. That's the point of a society (social-ism), to cooperate. The issue is how much of it and in what form it should be done.

5 upvotesmoltar6 years ago

Also bike shed effect

2 upvotesvaker6 years ago

Ah Parkinson is a goldmine.

1 upvotesantsugi5 years ago

Late to the party, but I feel that another driving force behind it is also a man's need to contribute to the group in his own way, especially a group where one respects the others.

205 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

This reminds me of that article about the woman that set up the all female company, and it went to shit.

126 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Link to the thread:

Women in the workplace - an all-female disaster

Never fails to raise a smile.

20 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Christ, the video here is just difficult to watch: childish, entitled behavior as per the West's current social/gender contracts.

4 upvotesClbull6 years ago

Oh dear, the stupidity.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Agree that they are retarded women but this is by no means the norm in the UK.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

That was very entertaining.

73 upvotesHormander6 years ago

We should put feminists in their own country, until it collapses miserably.

53 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

There will still be white knights believing that they can't do wrong.

34 upvotesRedBigMan6 years ago

I would love to see how long it takes for white knights to collapse under the demands and absolutely lose their shit.

32 upvotesyourlogicisflawed6 years ago

Well it's already happening, slowly, in western countries.

10 upvotesVaginalAssaultRifles6 years ago

The collapse would be due to "internalized misogyny".

5 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

And willingly move there and be second class citizens to help the fair maiden.

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I would gladly pay to see that.

24 upvotespuaSenator6 years ago

There is a modern urban legend of a town in Sweden somewhere with like a population of 2000 that is entirely female. It's actually something that's debated with good arguments supporting it's existence. However, once you take off your tinfoil hat, you realize A) that if they did exist, we'd have found that village eventually and B) No village of just women can sustain itself without men.

But I still like to believe it exists... Because maybe one day -- ONE DAY -- I'll drunkenly stumble into it as the only man in a cock deprived village of nothing but Swedish women...

38 upvotesuhuhshesaid6 years ago

The Umoja Village in northern Kenya is a village of just women that actually sustains itself quite well. The men they left behind, which they accused of raping and beating them, tried to set up rival village across the way. However, in this case the woman's village has flourished, as they've taken advantage of the global economy, marketing their traditional beading skills around the globe. The village receives new members all the time, whereas the male village has become a place where their ex husbands get drunk and threaten to kill them.

The Witch Villages in Ghana's Volta Region also have towns of mostly women and children that work together and thrive. Most of these women were thrown out of their original villages for practicing Vodun (Voodoo) and sent away with their kids. When most arrive they are devastated, however, after a few months, they settle in and it's created societies that are almost completely without theft or hunger. Something very rare for the African continent.

Further, if you look at development in Sub-Saharan Africa you will see that micro-loans are given exclusively to women in 99% of the cases. And this isn't because banking companies hate men. But it's because loan companies realized that men tended to spend the loans on booze and clubbing, without paying it back. Meanwhile loans to women are often recouped as the women tended to plant bananas or create self-sustainable businesses out of them.

In Kenya's Maasai, the men hang out in fields with cattle (who don't do a whole lot of moving on the Mara) talking or playing on their cellphones all day while women do the brunt of food collecting, fixing homes, and taking care of procuring most goods. In fact, most women in that region agree that the men contribute so little, it would be easier if there wasn't another mouth to feed when they eventually amble home.

In Mukono, Uganda women were offered the opportunity to get micro-loans and the men in their villages laughed at them and said they would never build a successful business and drive their families into debt. This was about 3 years ago and to date, 100% of loans have been repaid on time, and the women are now purchasing new houses in the region, filling it with furniture, and paying for their children to attend school, and receiving proper medical care for the first time in their lives. It's actually astounding how many of these women thought 'being in pain' all the time was normal, with many suffering chronic UTI's and kidney trouble. Now, finally relaxed and in good health, many have expanded their businesses into the capital, Kampala.

One of my jobs in investigating finance and community projects in Africa. And I'm not saying that African women are better because it's 'feminist' or 'woman's lib'. Women here have shit hard lives that most Western women could not even begin to comprehend.

That said, it's been pretty thoroughly recognized, from finance companies to governmental and NGO policies, that men tend to get in the way, and cause far more conflicts on this continent. And when women are left to rule, things tend to stabilize out with a focus on education and community development. It's not my opinion, it's universally recognized trends developed by corporations and fiscal enterprises that don't want to put stock in a bad return (in this case, the bad return is men).

While this program might say something in particular about Western women, if we're talking about social issues with men and women from a more global standpoint, actually there's a lot more to it that's worth considering.

10 upvotesrhettdu6 years ago

I really liked this post, and I found it very interesting. It's a nice counterpoint to the idea that a lot of people often get from this board that we're all just women-hating shitheads.

I think one point is a question of allegiance. Who do you empathise with more easily, a stupid, violent, alcoholic man or a poor but hard-working and ambitious woman? to me, the answer is clear, and it's not because I'm a white knight.

It's also important that many subsaharan cultures and communities are so different from our own that it may be incomparable. I was told once about how in Nigeria polygamy is common - I'm sure that's the case in a lot of other places as well. When I asked what happened to all the excess men - those who could not "acquire" wives - it was almost as if they didn't exist or didn't matter, I couldn't tell which. My suspicion is that a lot of them emigrate, or start causing trouble.

Family has a stabilising effect on people. Women with children are going to want the best for them. Men without hope of even getting married are going to blow their cash irresponsibly. Even if it isn't true 100% of the time, it's true often enough to weigh the expectations of each.

Incidentally, as I understand this (although you seem to be very knowledgeable so maybe you can correct me), when it comes to herding communities, a family's wealth is its animals. You can see why the men would go out with the herd to graze because the family's survival depends on it. They're there to guard the herd not to sunbathe.

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4 upvotesKingofRiders6 years ago

Why were the comments about women thriving in africa without men deleted? Were they deleted by a mod? Seems pretty misogynistic and hypocritical to me to delete valid arguments like that.

-1 upvotespuaSenator6 years ago

No idea why; I missed it. But it could be that he was trying to NAWALT. The truth is, most societies w/o men are going to fail. Whatever exceptions he gave probably had exceptions he wasn't talking about. It's simply impossible due to a woman's frame and build up to hunt, develop an infrastructure, and so on. They likely have some sort of govt assistance.

8 upvotestoothbrush_your_anus6 years ago

they are too fat to fit in a country. send them all to the sun. but lets change the name to the daughter so they will get behind the idea. i would have recommended a black hole but that is a gendered slur

2 upvotesrapreaper6 years ago

They'll become dirt poor and worse than the worst African nation and then you know who will bailout that nation? A fucking patriarchal nation that's prospering.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

It won't collapse because they will beg, plead, pout, vaginate, do whatever it takes, basically seduce, some powerful nation's leader into a ballout. I mean, bailout.

Basically, SeekingArrangementForCountries.com

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2 upvotesSatanSmiling6 years ago

According to Roosh, Denmark is that country. Read Don't Bang Denmark for his take on the ethos of the country.

1 upvotesdimmy6666 years ago

Man, that book is such a hilarious read. It makes me feel bad for the Danish men though.

2 upvotesvaker6 years ago

You mean for a whole afternoon?

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Feels like Christmas all over again

19 upvotesFreudJesusGod6 years ago

Hah. My boss is female. She has repeatedly told me she would preferentially hire men over women, if she had her druthers. More productivity day to day. More productivity over time since men take much less time off (even when you remove pregnancy). Much less "intangible" stuff like drama and infighting. In her words, "men get more done, in less time, and I don't have to adjudicate stupid shit all the time".

As someone who's had to work with mostly women for the past 8 years, I have to agree. Women, in my experience, are terrible at consistent and predictable work over time. Especially when they work with other women. Their workplace "tenor" is seemingly inevitably toxic and counter-productive. Ugh. Managing them is fucking tiresome. Don't get me started.

It's like working with teenagers. Except they're 30+.

1 upvotesedtofe015 years ago

Try working under them dude it's a fucking nightmare.

93 upvotes2comment6 years ago

You know, I predicted the outcome before even reading it (although I figured the guys would have a clear cut leader). It might also be revealing why Congress is such an eternal clusterfuck.

Not to NAWALT, but I do wonder though if it could be somewhat cultural, in that do all women feel the need to do consensus based bullshit or is that more of a western thing with democracy and all that shit. Wonder what would happen if they threw a group of asian tiger moms on an island. Perhaps a few catfights to the death before the rest fall in line and make do?

Edit: Too bad the 3 guys didn't go Jamestown on their asses and told the women that if they wanted to eat, they had to move their asses and work. What are the women going to do, vote them off and be miserable again?

25 upvotesLightning146 years ago

To add on to your question about cultural: Because this was on television I am assuming the people involved were generally of high attractiveness. For women to become attractive they just have to have good genes, be young, and don't be a glutton. Meanwhile. for men, they require actually working out to develop an attactive muscle build. Additionally, attractive women are used to having others (men) cater to their needs. It would be interesting if this was done with a random selection of women. (ie. Would below average attractive women be more self sufficient?)

29 upvotesStopher6 years ago

Yeah. It's not liked they picked those women based on survival skills. They probably just looked for a bunch of hot chicks who would look good sunbathing on TV.

15 upvotesvaker6 years ago

Don't forget the important skill of excellent blow jobs for director and producer.

19 upvoteslightpath76 years ago

The casting hammock.

3 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

You made my night.

23 upvoteszheiroh6 years ago

"Wonder what would happen if they threw a group of asian tiger moms on an island. Perhaps a few catfights to the death before the rest fall in line and make do?"

Being in China myself, I can tell you want would happen: a lot of bitching. Tiger moms are very good at giving orders, but most of the time they derive their success from those around them. Tiger moms are parasites.

8 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

A little more bitching, a little less sunbathing.

36 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Those guys were awash in value. They had the ability to organize and develop a livable society using their acquired skills.

They could have just sat on their butts, given the women piecemeal instructions (first steps) and told them to do it or else they wouldn't contribute.

If they don't cooperate, build a small hut with enough space for one person and fish for yourself.

28 upvotesOffensive_Brute6 years ago

I wonder if its cultural too. I have a hard time seeing non-entitled women from say Cambodia, Ghana, or Guatamala sitting around doing nothing.

28 upvotesRedBigMan6 years ago

Oh I'm sure it's cultural. Cultures that are closer to a primal existence realize red pill truths innately.

30 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

No time for Feminism when there's shit to be done on the farm (and it's not like the husband is reading the paper while she slaves away) . Feminism is born out of boredom of entitled wealthy women.

10 upvotesthecajunone6 years ago

And fat men hating lesbians who are only gay because no man would ever touch them.

2 upvoteswiseclockcounter6 years ago

fat, men-hating lesbians

ftfy

0 upvoteslookingatyourcock6 years ago

Why do you think that?

13 upvotesOffensive_Brute6 years ago

because in places where life is hard, the people are made of harder stuff. They tend to have more practical skills, to go along with the tough sinewy meat that comes from squatting in the creek and doing laundry with a washboard,and tending a garden and livestock, not as a quaint retro hobby, but to provide your family with necessary nutrients to maintain their vital bodily functions. Also these people are used to being busy, even if its with menial tasks. These are the kind of people who do things just to keep busy.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I know this is a week old, and I'm new here.

Just would like to say, don't you guys have the saying 'nawalt?'

I know girls, my mother included, who can hunt and clean animals, garden, can, all that stuff. These aren't pretty girls, so they wouldn't end up in a show, but give them an old-fashioned farmstead somewhere and they'll do fine. Put them in a strange environment, with no male supervision, and they would be lucky to barely get by. They will still freak out over nothing, fight and bitch at each other, and find all sorts of dumb things that would get them killed in real life.

Just saying.

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8 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

If these were normal, urban Dutchmen they probably had about as much experience in building, hunting and fishing as the women. They were probably using common sense or copying what they'd seen on TV.

The women just couldn't (or didn't want to) think five minutes ahead of the present.

7 upvotesLaLongueCarabine6 years ago

But to the point, the women in African tribes aren't the social justice warriors.

12 upvotesvaker6 years ago

In other words the average young western female is worthless these days.

I remember my granddad's female ideal included strength for farm work.

9 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Lol yep. My rancher grandmother (grandpa died when I was a baby, RIP) was the toughest woman I ever knew. Herding cattle around and doing ranch stuff like it was nothing, could fish (and clean it), hunt a deer (and help clean it), and could cook like nobody else I knew. If she was on that Island she would have been queen bee in no time.

In the ranch world, there is always work to be done. A woman moving out there expecting horse riding and shopping for new cowgirl outfits would not last a week.

7 upvotesgopher886 years ago

Remember my Nana(the whole family grew up in country Victoria, Australia) twisting apples in half for our entertainment and teaching us to split logs (Pa had a stroke at 50)

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Yup that's basically the point I was trying to make. For everyone who is going to get hit in the feels by our statement: shut the fuck up and LOOK at the skill set of an average woman. What do they do all day? Could they bring those skills into a survival situation, or would they just leech off everyone else?

6 upvoteslookingatyourcock6 years ago

Why would it be different? I have done a lot of traveling around the world, and the thing that always strikes me is how similar the gender differences are. I too used to think there would be more variation, but I just haven't seen it. The only culture I have experienced where genders seem significantly different is Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish/Israeli culture. But I personally think that has to do with them breeding among them selves, with an artificial selection process.

9 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

The only culture I have experienced where genders seem significantly different is Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish/Israeli culture

Can you elaborate on this? It's extremely interesting.

4 upvoteslookingatyourcock6 years ago

For sure. I'm a bit busy this weekend, so I will make a second response on Monday. This is the kind of topic where I need to be free from distractions in order to get into detail.

1 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

Fair. I look forward to the write-up.

1 upvotesphoneprofile6 years ago

Same here. Let me know as well

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3 upvotesvaker6 years ago

Yup, this is why I mentioned average young western female in my post above. (should have added urban) A generation ago girls still had some idea how to do things other than Facebook. Esp those who grew up outside of big cities.

3 upvotescheez_Ina_pan6 years ago

Do you think the "group think" mentality of women may have some sort of evolutionary basis and probably sered as a survival mechanism at one time? I do.

0 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

I don't. I think it's motivated by incentives and disincentives. Change those, and you'll change the behaviour.

55 upvoteshermit0876 years ago

In military boot camp men and women are almost completely separated from each other the entire time. You spend those 8 weeks(Air Force) learning to work as a team with the same group of 50 people, its a bit like one of those reality shows.

What every T.I.(aka drill sergeant) told us was that the female groups are much better than the men for the first two weeks or so. They were better organized, learned to fold clothes and make beds faster, and just had less conflict than the male groups.

Then gradually over time this dynamic flip-flops. The females experience more and more cat fighting to the point where they are all just assaulting and sabotaging each other by the end. Meanwhile the men have learned to work together and become like a well oiled machine.

13 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

I suspect the TIs went a bit softer on the women.

3 upvotesphoneprofile6 years ago

I wish i could read stories about this. It sounds hilariously interesting.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I trained with women (not air force). I can't think of anything that women did better except hoovering up food. I spent a summer shoving a fat girl up every hill we ran on, so maybe I'm biased. I was held responsible when she dropped out of a run.

They can scream at you like none other though.

I don't remember any real conflict between guys.

73 upvotesKepaso6 years ago

that's gold. I would have continued the experiment with 100% women till the end though, just for science, like a social machiavelic test, maybe it would have ended with a lord of the flies scenario, but i guess they would probably let themselves die of hunger and cancer from sun bathing.

74 upvotesfrequentlywrong6 years ago

Actually I think it's genius for the three men sent to the other island. They should have all built a hut with three rooms (or three smaller huts) with a king sized bed in them for themselves and 2 women.

Upon arrival ignore the women completely. Build the hut and hunt for food. Whichever women want to join them have to sleep in their beds.

Watch them compete amongst each other for male resources. I would pay to watch that shit.

67 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

You don't have to pay. Look out the window.

29 upvotesmadamayb6 years ago

Either the women would have quit or they would have invaded the other island

57 upvotesthrough_a_ways6 years ago

they would have invaded the other island

Thank you for that hilarious mental imagery.

45 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Oh shit, an invasion of prostitutes.

26 upvotesOffensive_Brute6 years ago

I couldnt help but notice you have some bird meat. I'll trde you some beaver for it.

7 upvotestheredslap6 years ago

<British accent> oh shit...there goes the planet

5 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

or they would have invaded the other island

Hahahahahahaha. That is wonderful. Thank you.

10 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

That was probably the intention but the white knight brigade realized the writing on the wall and made it more faiiiirrrr

5 upvoteszirzo6 years ago

There is an episode in stargate sg1 where the sg1 team lands on a planet where there are all women. Quite an interesting episode. Here's a working link

1 upvotesvaker6 years ago

TLDR?

5 upvoteszirzo6 years ago

power and control issues between the women and absolute resistance to the sg1 unit consisting of 3 guys and 1 girl who come over to give them a permanent solution to their problem(requiring a Goa`uld symbiote for survival) and over turning their leader who falls for the strongest guy in the sg1 team and tries to get other women to accept their solution. There is a coup eventually and they try to kick her out

1 upvotesvaker6 years ago

THX!

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

They couldn't- there would have been lawsuits when they started dying off or getting seriously ill and/or injured themselves trying to get what they should have been doing all along done all at once.

6 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Them screaming that they give up would be enough for me.

3 upvotesvaker6 years ago

trying to get what they should have been doing all along done all at once

What makes you think they'd have tried to do anything at all?

16 upvotesThePrince_6 years ago

For those who don't speak Dutch, Survivor did a similar thing in a recent series. Two tribes, one male and one female. Located on opposite sides of a beach.

It was incredible watching the women fail, rely on the men to support them and then complain about the men and refuse to repay the favour when they were fortunate enough to gain any advantages. Supplicating betas as far as the eye can see.

Can't remember which season but it was called Survivor One World.

14 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Surviver: Briffaults Law

42 upvotesTheophagist6 years ago

I've been noticing this kind of thing myself. Living in the Bay Area one can't go far without finding an all-girl business. They don't have to wait long for it to close down either.

One of the businesses I know of which survives is a Vet hospital with all female doctors and staff. They killed my beloved guinea pig through incompetence and overcharged me for the service.

4 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

This pisses me off.

14 upvotesTheophagist6 years ago

Me too, he was the best animal ever (right)

6 upvotesElonine6 years ago

They must be pretty badass pets if you let them walk on your strat, man!

Sorry for your loss...

14 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

I know it's not masculine but I'm about to fucking cry man, I had to put down my first dog when i was a little kid and it was so fucking upsetting. I spent the whole day fucking curled up next to him and I didn't understand why he was sick and sad. FUck man.

21 upvotes87GNX6 years ago

Crying over a fucking dog is about as legit as it gets.

16 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

A dog is about the closest thing a man will find to true loyalty. If I ever marry I will definitely want a large dog (or two) and a field for him to run around in to go with the package.

5 upvotesfihsined6 years ago

i can't tell if you're insulting me or saying it's okay, but i don't really need your permission or acceptance so i don't mind either way.

7 upvotesTheophagist6 years ago

It's tough, I miss him a lot but I'm mostly sad for Princess (left in the photo). She still calls out for him and searches her C&C for him whenever I return her after lap time. (don't worry she'll be getting a cage mate)

I knew he was on the way out so I was emotionally prepared. But when I found her curled up against his dead body grooming his fur I lost composure.

8 upvotesthecajunone6 years ago

Damn dude, that's rough, any dude would be sad. Being alpha doesn't mean not having feelings.

4 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

Animals are the best people.

When one of my rats was terminally ill the other would bring her salad.

4 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

It shows you care.

Women may not understand but other men, at least, do.

1 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

Indeed. Many women just miss having dolly to play with.

6 upvotesMasterGolbez6 years ago

Oh shut the fuck up. Crying over sad shit isn't "not masculine."

4 upvotesThisisMalta6 years ago

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP

Hugs MasterGolbez and fihsined and starts crying.

1 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

He's beautiful. Such expressive eyes.

12 upvotesibuprofiend6 years ago

I'd rather live alone on top of a mountain than live in San Francisco. It seems like the center of everything that's destroying our civilization.

23 upvotesstupid_fucking_name6 years ago

San Francisco is the white man's Detroit.

3 upvotesdraketton6 years ago

interesting parallel

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhNlAWR4m95TaGZBFP

1 upvoteswiseclockcounter6 years ago

that was one of the most depressing things i've ever seen. just degrading that guy to the lowest possible level, there's no pride in that.

1 upvotesjjshinobi5 years ago

He kept denying he didn't steal it when everyone knew he did. There is no pride in robing someone's dignity, perhaps not even justice, but there is a traumatic lesson to be instilled upon such persons and the general viewers who don't know how things are done in Detroit.

Lesson learned.

-2 upvotesbtcnr6 years ago

California is #1 state by GDP. It's one of the most progressive states. It's definitely #1 state when it comes to technology and innovation.

Hardly "destroying our civilization".

I'd say most republican-run shithole states are destroying our civilization.

2 upvotesvaker6 years ago

CA has a whole bunch of geological advantages from climate to sea ports that have nothing to do with political views. It's not possible to know what CA's GDP would be if it was dominated by people with different political positions.

0 upvotesibuprofiend6 years ago

Well I guess if you think that Facebook, Instagram, and "progressive" politics are valuable contributions to civilization you can see it that way, but I don't.

2 upvotesvaker6 years ago

"The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads." link

1 upvotesbtcnr6 years ago

And yet you're on Reddit, spending tons of your time. Hypocritical much?

And yes, I do think tech companies are valuable contributions to the civilization. Facebook and Instagram aren't the only companies that tech sector produced, but even they are used by a billion+ people, who do find them useful.

Seriously, it's like talking to a Luddite who bitches about technology, and still uses it.

1 upvotesibuprofiend6 years ago

Using a technology doesn't necessarily mean that you like it or think that it's a good thing, and your "progressive" politics is a big reason why we need TRP in the first place.

1 upvotesRS736 years ago

In 1985 California had the worlds 5th largest economy. It is now 9th and sinking. California has the highest poverty rate in the nation. Let me repeat that: California has the highest poverty rate in the nation: http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-poverty-20131001,0,60926.story

California also has 32% of the nation's welfare cases even though it has only 12% of the nation's population: http://online.wsj.com/news/article/SB10001424052702304537904577277242682364690

Only two states have a worse unemployment rate - Illinois and Nevada. Of the American states, California has the 5th highest gap between rich and poor and currently has the largest rich/poor gap in 16 years.

California has the second worst bond rating in the US (after solidly left Illinois), has a more than 20% high school drop out rate and many of the lowest ranked school systems in the nation, worse than liberal boogeyman states like Texas and Alabama.

I've lived here all my life and I can tell you the California of movies, legend, and song is dead and gone. It has been destroyed by massive illegal immigration, onerous taxation, and tribalized ethnic politics that have driven out the middle class, particularly the white middle class who are constantly derided and hate-mongered against for their alleged lack of "diversity." All while the wealthy white liberals live in gated communities and jerk off to progressive politics as they're sheltered from both the "undesireables" and the very policies of destruction the wealthy left inflicts on everyone else.

"Blue pill politics" is a smoke screen and a lie that blocks people from seeing reality, just like blue pill sex and gender myths. That doesn't mean the right is correct about everything but far too many people are conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to slobber obediently for whatever the we-know-best progressive media and culture tell them to slobber for.

0 upvotesbtcnr6 years ago

California doesn't have the highest poverty rate in the nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate

Welfare cases mean the social programs work there, unlike in Republican-ran states, where poor people can't get that same help.

But more importantly, what does any of this have to do with "destroying civilization"?

I can a dozen republican programs that actually do contribute to the destruction of the environment, pushing anti-science, pushing anti-education, etc.

1 upvotesRS736 years ago

From the third paragraph of the LA Times link that you didn't read: "The new analysis set California's poverty rate at 22%, the highest in the nation, compared with the official rate of 16%."

There's no point in debating someone who can't read or process information. Enjoy your blue pill world.

-1 upvotesbasketofbread6 years ago

Wow, downvoted for truth eh?

-1 upvotesbtcnr6 years ago

Yup.

TRP got overtaken by wingnuts, they always insert their anti-liberal politics, but if you respond and point out the bullshit, the downvote brigades come.

They will whine about political comments, but only when it's not pro-conservative.

-1 upvotesbasketofbread6 years ago

Fucking morons. Imagine being so crazy that you believe that all of your unsubstantial opinions are accurate reflections of reality, combined with being so crazy that you believe all of your interests (TRP, lies about California) are related and part of a coherent understanding of things.

1 upvotesClearlySituational6 years ago

There's an orthodontist office that I go to that's an all women business (save the boss who's a guy). And to be honest, it seems like it's working out quite well for them.

And this is in the bay area, too.

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3 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Yep, I don't buy that bit either.

14 upvotesFitch0y6 years ago

Let us step a bit back.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/feminists-are-afraid-of-evolutionary-psychology-and-with-good-reason/

So feminism, along with Communism, multiculturalism and egalitarianism, falls victim to the same tropes that all human nature denialists share: namely, the belief that people behave in upsetting ways because some nebulous cultural mind ray tells them to behave in upsetting ways.

Now that this is said. Culture and our society are like trees that don't grow without a seed and soil. Culture grew out of our genes. Patriarchy is the natural system. ... Would keep on writing but I just remembered that this is not MRA.

6 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

MRAs usually deny patriarchy as well to appeal to feminists

2 upvotesFryborg6 years ago

I don't get it. They deny patriarchy to appeal to feminists? Don't feminists assert that the patriarchy exists?

1 upvotesnninja6 years ago

What does multiculturalism have to do with anything?

2 upvotesFitch0y6 years ago

Heartiste believes in the end of the western world and he wanted to bring that up.

I is just an example...

1 upvotesnninja6 years ago

kind of dumb considering the US was built on multiculturalism, british, irish, scottish, german, italian etc.

1 upvotesFitch0y6 years ago

actually it is kinda true.

We do not treat people from other cultures differently because we were taught that behavior. No cultural mind ray tells us to dislike other cultures, actually a cultural mind ray tells us to like them.

This comes from our inbuilt surival instinct. Other tribe = death.

+I maybe misworded that a bit, with western world I mean the world of the white men. Heartiste sounds like a white supremacist. Actually his blog sucked really hard in the past 2 months. But that doesn't make his older posts worse. They really helped me.

11 upvotesAffengeil6 years ago

Well, how about that?

A shortsighted observer once predicted what a world without men would be like: "Full of fat, happy women -- and no crime." Yeah, right.

12 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

Once the supplies run out the fat women would eat the skinnier women and not in the porn way

5 upvotesFinalEquin0x6 years ago

I honestly doubt there would be any fat women.

If men aren't providing food for them, in what way will they obtain it?

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

fat and happy alone is bullshit enough

16 upvotesfiat_lux_6 years ago

Anyone know or have links to this Dutch Survivor show?

17 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expeditie_Robinson

Edit: I believe that it was the season from 2006

17 upvotesMooshaq6 years ago

Yeah, it seems that the whole thing is on Youtube. Damn I wish I understood Dutch right now.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

There is a captioned version, that makes a modicum of sense I think

11 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I just tried watching it, its pretty useless. I would love to have someone caption it.

12 upvotesYouDislikeMyOpinion6 years ago

Reminds me of Hell's Kitchen. 95% filler bullshit. 5% entertainment. If someone were to compile the funny parts, I would watch it. But I'm not watching reality commentary bullshit and wasting my time.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I never got the chance to properly look at it. Damn

10 upvotesMockingDead6 years ago

So women under patriarchy were treated as aristocrats, and men under matriarchy as slaves.

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1 upvotesdvrzero6 years ago

Did not expect dice in the mirror. Got a real laugh for spot on reference.

8 upvotesALexusOhHaiNyan6 years ago

I've thought about this from time to time. In the sense that if things went tit's up - feminism disappears overnight. I wonder if the only time that will ever get challenged is if/when we colonize Mars or some post apocalyptic Lord Of The Flies to straighten stuff out right quick.

2 upvotesgreatGoD675 years ago

Or when the ship is sinking. Buildings on fire, Bear attacks, or muggers approach. As Bill Burr put it. "There are no feminists on the Titanic"

1 upvotesMasterTrollKing5 years ago

THANK YOU. I was hoping someone would reference that bit he did

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Or when mars colonizes us…

1 upvotesALexusOhHaiNyan6 years ago

Dun-dun-duhhh!

But I think the more interesting thing to erode in that case would be nationalism, stateism, etc. US vs Russia/Iran/N.Korea? Japan vs China? Pfft.

Nigga - it's humanity vs martians now. We could so do with a good alien invasion...

1 upvotesvaker6 years ago

"The only good thing about Hammerfall, women’s lib was dead milliseconds after Hammerstrike."

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Well at some point were going to run out of all these nice resources that were spending, might not even need to run out of them.

Just get to a good decifit. Expensive oil that's needed for actual living = say good bye to the lifestyle of average western society citizen.

When that happens, feminism is going to fly out the window because women cant be ''strong independent womyn'' anymore and will need someone to help them live.

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I think this really displays the high survival value that men naturally possess, and that women naturally do not possess.

The interesting thing to note is that neither group would survive long term without the opposite sex. Sure the men would die out in relative comfort at a ripe old age while the women would have inevitably died much much sooner, and not from natural causes.

13 upvotesArcadesRed6 years ago

Starvation is very natural, billions have died from it!

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

The point: you missed it

9 upvotesj_arbuckle20126 years ago

The joke: you missed it.

13 upvotesawsum_possum6 years ago

I'm sorry, but I'm a Dutch male and I worked in television for 9 years, and I can tell you, because I know, that show is entirely scripted (by men). Whichever way it would've happened it doesn't say anything about men, women or society. It says something about B-list Dutch celebrities' ability to follow simple scripts, written by men. The point OP has raised, is what's known in the logic business as "moot".

9 upvotesShepardfucksEVERYONE6 years ago

Like anyone here cares...

6 upvoteswiseclockcounter6 years ago

I can't tell if this is the right season, or what the hell they're saying because it's not subbed in english, haha. but i found a youtube channel that's uploaded all the episodes, it's called Expeditie Robinson

Edit: video link for all you ctrl F-ers

5 upvotesWAFC6 years ago

It takes a lot longer to get to the good stuff, but a season of American Survivor broke down into a gender war, too. The women initially thrived at the social game, knocking the men out after the merge pretty quickly.

Except one man, who proceeded to play them like a fiddle and use their attempts at stabbing each other in the back to win a million dollars. Such schadenfreude.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I kind of want to watch this.

2 upvotesWAFC6 years ago

Survivor: Vanuatu. Plenty of torrents available in the usual places.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Thank you very much

13 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I'm not surprised at all. Have you ever seen an all-female construction site? Me neither.

Men build and run the world. Always have, always will. We know how to get shit done. Women know how to be lazy and compete against other women for men/attention.

4 upvotesmonsieurhire26 years ago

Catfight, and then . . . cannibalism?

3 upvotesAerobus6 years ago

OP please I need a link to this video. PLEASE.

10 upvotesIdiderus6 years ago

Look, we all seem to be jumping on the "women can't get anything right" bandwagon, but one of the strongest lessons I acquired via TRP was to forgive women their "failings". Amused mastery, no?

Sure, put your average woman in a survival situation and they will fair quite poorly, and a group of women in front of cameras and a primp-fest will ensue. A group of men will build a village and then quickly become bored to tears while they dream of children to take over the plow.

This anecdote only reinforces my belief of the duality of the sexes. Men lead from the front, but that does not remove the need nor pride of womanhood.

9 upvotesMockingDead6 years ago

We forgive them their failings, but we don't ignore them.

Amused mastery means we treat them like children. You are insinuating that they should have pride in being children?

2 upvoteserich_von_stalhein6 years ago

"Pride" in their "failings"?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

In their role of producing offspring. I'm just afraid what gonna happen when we learn to clone and grow people in a lab.

5 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

The men didn't have any leaders? That means they didn't have a hierarchy, just a collective.

Did they form a hierarchy once they gained a few female members?

It's interesting because it means that general male hierarchy (not just during specific missions like hunting) may be due to female interference, not inherently male.

4 upvotesHeuristics6 years ago

Hierarchy is needed when the tribe is larger then a typical member of it can handle to overview for themselves. At that point it is better to outsource the overview, the high level decisions to the most competent. -> to an aristocracy.

The typical example is the scenario of an invading tribe. A non-hierarchic society would then be slaughtered for military commands get an enormous power multiplier the more authoritarian and competent the central power is.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

It is possible that they all were beta. Also possible hierarchy was unnecessary in such conditions. Hierarchy only becomes beneficial when there are at least two large groups competing, and there were only one small group.

1 upvotesFloranHunter6 years ago

Whether or not hierarchy is beneficial isn't important, is it? High schools are extremely hierarchical but it serves no purpose. Humans seem to create hierarchies in a vacuum. Though admittedly high school is a strange enough place that it's unlikely that it's a bad example.

4 upvotes87GNX6 years ago

This is wonderful.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

You should watch the US version of apprentice. It goes something like this;

-Men and women split into teams, men on one, women on the other. There are 8-10 people on each team.

-Women begin to fight, bitch and plot against one another. One woman always comes out as a complete bitch that hates another women. The women break into cliques and sabotage each other. They lose all their challenges.

-Men win every single challenge until the women's team have 3-4 people left.

-Finally Trump puts some unlucky guys on the women's team. They win a few challenges but continue to plot.

In Celebrity Apprentice the teams are all various people. The men are has beens, a country singer or two, an athlete, b list actors, a wrestler, a comedian, etc. They all get along regardless.

The women's team is usually a talk show host, actress without a career, playboy model, comedian, athlete, etc. They all hate each other.

It happens every time. It's a fascinating study.

11 upvotesrebuildingMyself6 years ago

From what I saw of Apprentice (a long time ago), the women always won their challenges. Of course, to sell the most lemonade to guys on the street all they did was essentially whore themselves out.

  • Wear skanky short skirts
  • Put their phone number on the cup being sold
  • Flirting, etc

Then they all high five each other for their superior sales tactics. Didn't bother watching any other episodes after that.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Celebrity apprentice is much different. Other than one or two the women on there are worthless.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

I looked around for this but couldn't find it. Where is this dutch survivor series? I found the series, but no reference to the two islands and men and women

2 upvotesthemasterof6 years ago

I would like to see this TV show. Is there any Dutch guys here who knows where I can see it?

2 upvotesCropDuster336 years ago

Should get a bunch of feminists and plant them on an island!

2 upvotesmagical_artist5 years ago

Fascinating insight.

2 upvotesrockumsockumrobots5 years ago

Can I please have a link to the show? Also, is there an english Subtitled version? Thanks.

4 upvotesziggzagg86 years ago

I would love to see this series any links around?

3 upvotesRidleySmith5 years ago

Doesn't actually PROVE anything, but is a fantastically interesting anecdote

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT! What happened to his former roommate? xD I would love to know.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

Saved.

1 upvotesSpecialBuddy6 years ago

They should do that with survivor on each season.

1 upvoteselevul6 years ago

Wow, this is pure gold. Thanks for sharing.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 years ago

A society of men...dear God.

The driving engine of that society would be reason and understanding rather than gynocentricism; Imagine what mankind could achieve.

-1 upvotesSturmgeist7816 years ago

I imagine this would be simliar to tossing five cats in a bag, tieing the end of the bag and then throwing that bag of cats at a wall.

Absolute shit show.





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