http://redditlog.com/snapshots/380017

Some juicy sample parts:

Yes. Told her "this is a bad idea, you really need to sleep on this and we should talk in the morning. If you do this now, this is final." Come morning, surprise, phone explodes. We talked after taking a break for a couple weeks, and she revealed that she really wanted me to fight and tell her that I love her. Realized in the moment of that final argument that I was tired of being the only one who fought for our relationship for 4 years everytime there was an intense argument. I want to be in a relationship with someone who wanted to be with me, not someone who feels like they can use the relationship as leverage to test how much I "love" them. Plus, if we're dating and something like that happens, who's to say that shit won't happen when we're married with kids? I don't think I want to find out.

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Dude the EXACT same thing happened to me. At some point I just said, you know what, fuck it. I'm tired of having to convince you, I deserve better than that. Best part, she was super offended that I didn't want to be friends with her after jerking me around for years. What a sociopath...

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See, this touches on my thoughts. I want someone to want to be in a relationship with me. Fight to keep out alive together, but once someone starts to break up with me then they don't want to fight for the relationship anymore. They've thrown in the towel so I will too. I will never again be the only person to fight for a relationship again.

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No. Testing me isn't a good way to get what you want. Especially out of a relationship. It just makes me spiteful. Jumping through hoops is not how I will live.

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This has been said before in r/askmen and should be the default answer... "Why would I fight for something that you would throw away so easily".

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Yup. Had an ex gf say that to me after she broke up with me for another guy. This is the same girl who faked being on birth control so she could get pregnant. Looking back i ask myself why did i waste so much of my time with that crazy bitch.

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This is as universal a thing as exists in the world of relationships. I have had nearly every girl I've had a semi-longterm relationship with (more than a few months) utter this exact phrase sometime during the artificially prolonged breakup period. It's kindof shocking as an example of a female collective consciousness, and an outrageous one at that. As in, literal outrage. EDIT: p.s. If you ever actually say the words "I will fight for you" to a woman, prepare for her to ditch you faster than you thought possible.

And the examples go on and on. This might be a low hanging fruit, but the serious question is, why does this happen so often? This tactic is very risky and as the examples show, men tend to call the bluff. Is the benefit of doubling down on a pussy-whipped beta provider big enough to risk it all? Or is this just a disneyesque female fantasy run amok? A fantasy, which tells women that of course they have a high chance of winning it all, he will yield and crawl back to you begging and then you have him by the balls.

A comment from elsewhere:

if these women date a beta enough guy he will, in fact, marry them---because he has no options. Betas are guys coming from a place of scarcity and these guys are usually all too eager to wife up the first half-decent pussy that rides them. These women need to give these guys ultimatums---the guys don't taken them are too alpha and have options. That dudes that wilt are betas. If they get a beta enough guy, the carousel riding is over. One and done. So the best strategy for women, is to double down on the beta. Hard. I've witnessed this time and again.

older TRP thread on risky double downs:

/r/TheRedPill/comments/1xtsc8/on_locality_of_sexual_marketplaces_and_the/

Her desire was to curb my behavior and turn me into the beta she wanted, the one that reaffirmed her, and the one that would eventually be on a short enough leash that it was harder for me to see other girls. ... Is doubling down a good strategy? For women looking for beta- perhaps it's effective at weeding out men who won't go all the way. Perhaps it's short sighted, and these women don't yet realize the alpha they crave and the beta they're pushing for won't exist in the same person. Perhaps they're betting it all because they feel the market best favors them?


My theory is as follows: the female game is about taming the highest possible alpha. The first step is to attract an alpha in the wild, the second step is to put a short beta leash on him. If the ultimatum fails and he runs away, he was too alpha relative to the taming skills of the woman and in the next iteration she will try the same process with a lesser alpha. Only the highest alpha females have the seductions skills to exclusively lock in a true alpha. All other women get AFBB, or below.