I've realized that I'm a plan B kind of guy and I'm bitter about it.

Unconaction · 2014-04-21T02:26:28+00:00

Bro- we've all had days/weeks/months thinking this. Me, I'm a rookie RP FWIW, say just stop looking at the scoreboard and focus on making first downs, move the ball downfield.

As I posted before I try to "win the day". Throw in an extra rep at the gym, not a 4.0 student, fucking extra 30 mins in the library the hottie you were too pussy to say hi to before, game that shit like fucking Halo.

Most dudes don't have a fucking clue- you do and are doing the things you need to do to improve your SMV. Keep it up.

discordant_soul · 2014-04-21T02:34:14+00:00

These same girls that think you're a "plan b" are the same type of chicks that chase after heroin junkies, guys living out of vans, and alcoholics. They date the same unemployed going-nowhere losers that you'd fire in a heartbeat if they worked for you.

Don't base your worth on what women think of you. They have no fucking clue what a good thing really is. You pushed yourself and made a decent life out of all that hard work, you don't have to prove SHIT to anyone.

I think you want to be desired by women but you have to realize that these women have no desire for anyone but themselves. They can't never love you, only their attraction to you.

You have options; you can either mope about things you can't have or work to get what you REALLY want.

If sex is on your mind, remember that if you bought a hooker once a month, you're getting more sex than some MARRIED men. If getting women without paying is THAT big of a deal, get a personal trainer and commit to your regimen like a religion.

If love is on your mind, focus on family and get some good quality male friends to bond and grow close with.

If money is on your mind, do your thing and work to get it.

Point is, don't worry about what bitches do. Bitches will be bitches.

Worry about what you're doing and everything will fall into place.

Schipannschwahh · 2014-04-21T05:16:08+00:00

What I lack socially I make up for with substance.

Nope. Different qualities, and cannot be weighed against each other equally. You can't substitute a lack of flour in a cake with more egg. This is a rationalization to deflect away from an obvious lacking area that you know is there, but don't want to address directly as a serious flaw with yourself.

I'll give you an example: when was the last time you unconsciously held someone's gaze who you weren't involved with socially until they broke eye contact with you first? Someone asked me this, and that was my breakthrough with realizing that I gave off huge vibes of non-confident social loser. Now, I can fix those cues and 'fake' it - but I haven't really changed the root of the problem, have I? Therein lies the trap of "confidence = key".

You can talk with all the people at work perfectly fine because you're aware and in your element - people can pick up on your body language cues and deduce competence from that; it has NOTHING to do with their age or where they are at in life. You fail at that in other social settings because you're not.

I spend so much time improving myself not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a female (no surprise). But it doesn't matter. You either have it or you don't when you're this age.

I'm going to make a really bold claim here, and surmise that you're not really doing it for yourself primarily. People can see that in your body language and when you talk.

I don't even know how old you are, and even I know that's bullshit. You're not a decent guy; you're a "decent" guy - someone who fails the basics of holding frame whether visibly or invisibly, and supplicates towards women and then gets bitter about it when they see through it and don't give you the time of day you think you deserve. It's ok to be bitter for a while. No, really. But trying to justify away your biggest key flaw because you've got it together in other areas is doing yourself no favours. Nothing is easy - and you don't know how much work these 'naturals' have put into becoming good at what they're good at either.

Nothing personal, but you basically described the behaviour of a friend of mine to a T - and I wish I could have this talk with him.

Whisper · 2014-04-21T05:43:49+00:00

Women like alphas. No one is denying that fact.

Correction. Women like alpha behaviour.

Alpha is as alpha does. There is nothing preventing you from acting like that.

burningtimber · 2014-04-21T03:20:22+00:00

Soul, I can dig it.

But when you speak of alphas and betas - you seem to define yourself as beta. (Because you refer to alphas.) Beta doesn't mean low-SMV, it means showing weak, submissive behavior.

Betas almost never realize they are betas. If they did, they would change.

With your eyes open, you can refuse to be plan B.

Maybe you need the bitterness right now to kill some remaining beta in you. Over time, I think humor and philosophy will lighten the bitterness.

Ghadis · 2014-04-21T06:41:54+00:00

Improve your numbers. Your jaded attitude will help immensely.

discordant_soul · 2014-04-21T03:59:21+00:00

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[deleted] · 2014-04-21T04:00:09+00:00

Instead of thinking about what you do not possess, focus on what you have.

You must have all your senses, you have reason and speech, you can love, can laugh, you are wealthier than 95% of the world, you have been given the gift of life through insurmountable odds! is that not enough?

Yesterday I was feeling much like yourself, down on myself 'Why am I such a loser, why can't I be a stronger man" then I realized I have already been given so much in life, that nothing is impossible when I have been given cause and will and means to do it.

Remember that the greatness of any man comes not from what he has been given at birth, but with treating any occasion, however small, as an occasion for greatness.

So what I want you to do OP is puff out your chest, stand up straight and be proud of the value you have brought to the world.

AnotherLostCause · 2014-04-21T05:12:34+00:00

I know where you are coming from. Just remember you are only plan B if you put a ring on post wall post carousel.... err lady. Don't chump up and you can always wait for something down the road.

[deleted] · 2014-04-21T05:14:49+00:00

Who says you can't be an alpha and a decent guy? I know you didn't say this outright, but you implied it.

There are a lot of men who would like a smart, devoted, decent woman to be a lifetime companion. I'd dare say more men want that type of relationship than a lifetime of chasing skirt. Both tracks, and others, are perfectly acceptable.

It is unhelpful to put the successful men into "column A" and yourself in "column B". Do you want to be "those guys" or do you want to have success in a long-term relationship? Either way you've got to become the kind of man women want (not what necessarily what they say they want, but you probably already know that). From there it's about the search.

Finding the kind of woman you want takes looking. It's a numbers game plain and simple. Attracting and keeping the kind of woman you want is explained in the sidebar material. While AWALT still holds, you can find women who haven't slept around heavily if that's a problem. Set reasonable standards, be selective, and don't settle. The quality women out there don't, and neither should you.

doat1 · 2014-04-21T07:21:37+00:00

I feel like I am in the same boat as you. I see these women go for dicks and douchebags all my life and never understood why they would pass up a guy like me who wouldn't treat them like shit, cheat, etc. but as I got older and stepped out of the box I started realizing it then after I found TRP I understood it. I see it as a game like L.A. Noire you ask the right questions then read the person and call their bluff or see that they are telling the truth and you are rewarded.

Before TRP I was a huge beta and a white knight at times mostly an orbiter and when I started reading through TRP I started understanding the whole process and realizing holy shit, so that is why she said this and that, etc. and it all started coming together. I started changing the way I dressed first of all and when I started dressing better I instantly felt better before there were just times where I felt on top of the world because I was in a good mood and always thought to myself, "Damn I wish I felt this way when I needed to." Now that I dress much better I almost feel that way all of the time then I started working out, I have always worked out on my own throughout the years but now I signed up with a gym and go at least 3 times a week and it does help. I stopped seeing girls as though they are holding the key I started looking at myself as the key and they are the locked door I just need to nut up and put the key in. After reading some TRP articles I went to the mall to go shopping on my own and I saw a cute chick as I was walking in the mall working at a cart selling cell phone cases and screen protectors and I said, "Well if this interaction goes south nothing happens." So I talked to her after I let her throw some sales pitches at me and showed that I have a better case than what she sells she asked me, "What are you interested in?" I said, "I am more interested in your number." instantly I felt like a fucking boss and she said she has a boyfriend I thought ok this is a shit test but I kind of dropped the ball with my response I said, "You sure?" with a smirk and she said, "Yea I wouldn't lie about something like that." and judging from how she said it I believed her then just strolled away.

After that failed interaction I realized I need to do more of that and expect to fail, so it does not scare me anymore. Even though I did not get her number I am still very glad I finally approached a girl for the first time and realized it doesn't mean shit if you fail you won't see them again and if they tell your friends who cares? My friends don't approach women anywhere, so even if they hear about my failed attempt I did more than what they would do. I have always heard it's better to try and fail than to not try at all and it's true, fucking true. What I learned most is that the wrong way to think about this stuff is to think about what types of guys women like don't worry about that crap be YOU if the chick doesn't like you for you then move on they are cunts anyway. Focus on yourself FIRST, get a good job, get in shape, get a car you want, get a house you want, do thing you want to do, etc. and it will help you when talking to people and women it builds your character. I find it irritating that people who can speak without stuttering and such are so afraid to talk I stutter it used to be really bad ESPECIALLY when talking to a cute girl but if I can manage talking to a girl then you just need to know what to say and how to say it. I have a huge obstacle in front of me with my stutter and I am not a very handsome guy and some chicks say I am cute but I am not letting it stop me from advancing.

Sorry for going on for quite a bit but you already have a leg up on most people just dress nicely all of the time do it for yourself not for others when you are about to go out dress up. Just dressing nicely and looking sharp changes how you feel and that will show. I have broken out of my hardened shell, no reason in hell why you can't.

Eldfell · 2014-04-21T10:00:00+00:00

Read this

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

I'm assuming you're in your 20's.

Dont give up yet. You're getting better, you're aging like a fine wine.

You seem to think that when you're in your 30's you'll be stuck with girls in their 30's, the ones that are, as you say, developing wrinkles and their tits arent as perky.

Nope. You'll still be able to bang 22 year olds until your mid 30's. Those "women now will have fun and waste their youth on alpha assholes who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them."

YOU GET TO BE ONE OF THOSE ASSHOLES! HOORAY!

The joys of being a male.

PrisonerOfLife · 2014-04-21T02:57:10+00:00

Sadly, the only thing that will change this paradigm is a complete collapse of western society. Women no longer have an incentive to be loyal to decent men since they can fulfill their primal instincts with absolute impunity and manipulate men who are brainwashed with the "sugar and spice" notion.

I'm fucking done with women for the rest of my life. I am in the same situation you are in and I realize that no matter what I do, I can't be attractive to western whores. I haven't lost anything by opting out because women never gave a shit about me in the first place and they never will. The best I can do is save my money and pursue my own interests above the beck and call of society, which is gynocentric and solely focused on the well being and security of women at the expense of men. That's a fucking abysmal way to structure society because decent men have to pay taxes to support alpha badboy thugspawn who only perpetuate thug culture (the kind of violent motherfuckers RP theory idolizes simply because they get more pussy than civilized men) and make society even more unstable.

RP will always value pussy above personal integrity and steer men into a direction that only accelerates the collapse, but it is completely inevitable at this phase of the game anyway.

IllimitableMan · 2014-04-21T03:07:25+00:00

because it's people like me who will be "available" to these women once they are through with alphas (or visa verse).

If you have any sense of self respect you'll go your own way (MGTOW) and fuck hookers or be a bachelor and fuck younger girls (as a big FUCK YOU to chicks your own age who denied you when you were younger) rather than act as a financial and emotional doormat for an undeserving washed up broad who can offer nothing but a dried up womb and a boat load of responsibility in the form of family.

Assuming paternity is yours (don't assume get tests done) she can give you kids and some semblance of family, but if she's not who you really want and you're not who she really wants and you both just settle out of fear of being lonely in old age then you won't build yourself a family you can be proud of, you'll be leading a second-rate life with a second-rate woman raising second-rate kids. You'll be fucking miserable. Your unborn kids deserve better, you deserve better and that woman deserves fuck else than to be a fuck socket for men twenty years her senior, not a mother and a housewife. Motherhood/wifehood is a privilege, these whores flout it and think they can come and clean up later once they've been all over the place humping dick trains and enjoying free drugs/alcohol parties.

That isn't the kind of woman you want being the mother of your kids. An irresponsible party-going cunt who would go on forever if looks permitted, but is forced to jump out of the game because her tits are sagging and her skins losing suppleness and WHAM OH SHIT THE ~~BERLIN~~ BITCH WALL has just smacked her in the face. Know these whores give the game up begrudgingly, not because they want to. If women could look like they were 20 forever, fuck alpha tinder dick, get free clothes/holidays/drinks and cocaine forever, they would. They'd never settle, they'd masturbate in their own selfishness forever, it's the depreciation of female beauty which ultimately forces bitches to grow up and develop a personality, nothing else.

These aren't the type of women you want to be "someones back up for" read "Michael's Story" in the sidebar, if she won't give you her best years then fuck her, don't give her yours, which is typically the entirety of your 30's. If a bitch won't marry/settle with you in her 20's and wants to "find herself" aka see if she can do better than you/ generally slut it up by getting as much strange dick as possible. Those women are never "mother of your children" material. Ever.

Once a whore, always a whore. Some people have successfully reformed whores, they're typically people like Patrice O'Neal, if you're not Patrice O'Neal don't even bother with the endeavour, just because some people have managed it doesn't mean everyone should go out and fucking try it.... as said in the words of solomon, the bit in bold specifically refers to the topic of trying to make housewives out of whores:

There are no good women, and there are no bad women. There are just women. Women do what they want when they want and justify their actions later. That’s why it’s important to find a woman of character who is naturally inclined to do the things which are wholesome, respectful, productive, and conducive to rearing the offspring produced by your potential union.

A woman’s character is of utmost importance. A woman’s past actions matter. In fact, her past matters more than anything else because it reveals the character she developed during her impressionable years. A woman may change what she does, but she can’t change who she is or repair her reputation. Like hot or cold water eventually comes back to room temperature when no external forces are present, so a woman returns to her base character level when no external forces are present. If you choose to be a woman’s external force in order to exact a temperature change within her, don’t be surprised when she reverts to her room temperature character the moment you’re not around.

What defines a woman of good character varies from man to man. Know which character traits are important to you. Study to learn the signs of these traits, and study harder to learn how manipulative women mimic these traits when they are not in possession of them. Judge harshly and without apology. Recognize flaws within yourself and actively work to right them, but never let a woman convince you to consider your own personal flaws as a valid reason to overlook hers.

Recognize, protect, and celebrate a woman of good character, for she is exceedingly rare. Recognize, expose, and shame a woman of low character for she is a parasite driven by consumption and will kill her host. Above all, know that a woman of character and a woman of risible morals are often indistinguishable at first glance. Only the erudite man committed to attaining the knowledge and skills to determine one from the other stands a chance of reaching his full potential.”

CptDefB · 2014-04-21T06:54:21+00:00

Welcome to being disposable.

This is something that has also permeated my thoughts of late. We love women. They aren't capable of giving us the love we want, understanding sacrifices we make, etc. If we are loving and affectionate men, then it's important to be neither too loving, nor too affectionate, or else everything you've worked for with her evaporates (boring, no challenge, too easy, etc). I'm reminded of No Doubt - A Simple Kind of Life. We aren't going to get one, the universe doesn't owe us one, and it's very unlikely that women will provide one (constant shit tests, whirlpool of emotions, etc) unless she's one of them Unithings (solid foundation for building potential)... let's not talk about that.

Anyway, the conundrum I face, aside from the simple answer of, "Because the mighty cock wills it." is what the fuck -- especially as a man who is certain that he doesn't want kids -- is all of this for? Why do I lift? Why do I constantly obsess over my 5/10/20 year plan, how much money I'm saving, what/how to cultivate greatness within myself, etc?

To live a simple kind of life alone?

To George Clooney my way through life (most likely getting burnt out and tired of women in the process)?

I have no answer.

We are disposable entities.

Perhaps, for that reason, there is no answer.

edit: Sorry... before the ramble, I actually did have a silver lining for you.

Don't worry, if you're "moving the ball down the field" as that great analogy says, having women that want to fuck gets easier the older you get. Too bad they stay the same, oldest teenager in the house, etc. It's not all doom and gloom! Men like /u/OccamsUsername have managed to find and masterfully tame/train, what I'm going to presume, is a fairly attractive woman. It's not impossible... the odds are just shitty, and keep getting worse.

edit2:

I'm bitter than women now will have fun and waste their youth on alpha assholes who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them.

I'm not that bad, man, I just like to fuck. <3

Slimplera · 2014-04-21T07:51:20+00:00

Keep in mind tinder isn't real life. Although no one is arguing whether most women have inflated egos, it is much more inflated on the internet where instead of maybe 3 or 4 guys approaching an average looking woman at a bar, 300-400 guys are approaching them. Okay maybe like 50 or 60 guys if she is average but you get the point.

A funny thing about being a beta is that he feels bad because he sees the number of guys a woman has slept with and tells himself "she must now be settling for me." You think Alpha's only fuck virgins? If the only women who you attract are hitting the wall, own it. Its okay to fuck these women, just don't let the idea that they are settling with someone who will "treat them like a queen" or w/e permeate in the relationship.

trpfieldreport · 2014-04-21T16:56:21+00:00

but what I lack socially I make up for in other ways.

No, this is not how it works. You said it yourself:

You either have it or you don't

Look, having a good career, interests, hobbies, talents and money is all well and good, but THAT is what makes you a Plan B guy.

Accepting that the best things about you are your "provider traits" is what makes you a provider. You have resigned to be beta bux, that's why you're bitter.

but what I lack socially I make up for in other ways.

THAT is called hamstering, friend. You're rationalizing your poor social ability, and excusing yourself because you have better attributes in other categories.

It's like you're watching a basketball game from the bench and you're bitter that you're not playing. You're not that good at basketball, which is why you aren't playing. But what you lack in basketball, you make up for in the weightroom. You can outbench any of the guys on the basketball court.

Good for you, but you're still on the bench.

I feel bitter being a plan B.

We all started bitter, because reality isn't what we thought it would be. Everyone gets told that there is a special someone out there JUST FOR ME. A soulmate. Oneitis. Shit just isn't true. Some people get lucky and find someone that is so good for them that it seems like this shit is true. But it's not, and in my experience, most people who say their relationship is "perfect" are full of shit and destined for divorce.

Of course you're bitter. NO man wants to be appreciated ONLY for his provider status, the same way NO woman wants to be appreciated ONLY for her vagina's tightness.

You WANT to be appreciated as a masculine, desirable, sexual man-beast who has his shit together well-enough to provide a good life.

I feel like that's the future for a lot of decent guys and it's shitty.

It's your future too, unless you change.

TRP has a lot of resources for becoming the masculine, desirable, sexual man-beast you are supposed to be.

It comes with time, and it is something you work toward every day for the rest of your life. Don't be discouraged, brother!

RedBigMan · 2014-04-21T17:35:09+00:00

You can do one of two things...

1) You can improve yourself and become Plan A material. (Lift, Learn Game, etc...)

2) You can embark on MGTOW.

The only way to lose the game is to play by women's rules. Which means staying the way you are and becoming someone's Plan B. At least with the MGTOW route you dont get stuck giving half your shit to some bitch down the line.

Delzak · 2014-04-21T05:40:06+00:00

It's stuff like this that I really hate. By posting your emotions you've contributed nothing to the overall conversation. You didn't even attempt to. You just said "I'm kind of a loser and I don't like that." Btw, fuck most of those decent guys. They lived in a box for most of their lives and now they're paying for it. For the ones that aren't bitter about how the world works good for them, but saying you're bitter about women being women is like saying you're bitter about taxes and violence, especially here.

As a matter of fact, let me re-frame your post.

I've realized that I'm a plan B kind of girl and I'm bitter about it.

Men like thin women, no one is denying that fact. Men like women who are attractive above all, who are also kind and sexy. Basically the 3 big things.

We are all not that. I am certainly not that. I'm overweight and have acne, but what I lack in looks I make up for in other ways. Like a lot of you; I am great in bed. I have interests, hobbies, talents, and even some sexy lingerie. I might not be the most attractive person, but I try to dress nicely and keep out of the obese zone. I at least put in some effort. What I lack physically I make up for with substance. Like many of you- I might e unattractive, but I'm not hopeless. I'm sure there are many people out there who are the same way.

Being in this age group men prefer beauty over everything at this point nothing I've said is new to anyone. I think about stuff like this constantly. That examiner article that's been floating around shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but to me it's just upsetting. I've realized that I'm bitter. I'm bitter that men now will have fun and waste their money on beautiful thin privileged women who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them. I can't help, but sound like an incredibly huge feminist nazi right now... but I've become bitter because it's people like me who will have to lower our standards because of these beautiful girls. When they are read to settle down and find a woman to love them, that's when I'll get the bottom of the bucket.

This realization is just so upsetting to me. I spent so much time improving myself not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a male (no surprise). But it doesn't matter. You either have it or you don't when you're in this position. Either men will acknowledge your existence or see right through you and I'll have to one day settle for an overweight loser of a man who realizes that it's me or nothing. I feel bitter being just a bottom of the barrel. I want to have fun too and experience young love, but it's not easy for girls like me and we will end up waiting until we can't anymore and will have to "settle",

I feel like that's the future for a lot of decent girls and it's shitty.

/end rant

When you look at this person do you think about how much of a decent girl this is and how the world is unfair for her, or as just another sad loser? I'm not trying to be an asshole, but wallowing doesn't help you or anyone else.

Riusakii · 2014-04-21T04:53:53+00:00

Look Dude. Whether its your fault or not, its your life and thus it is your responsibility to handle your shit. My number one rule is to never complain ever and every time I discover something that I don't like, I don't emotionally dump on an online forum. I prioritize and handle my issues. In other words, figure it out or get left behind.

IIIbrohonestlyIII · 2014-04-21T04:57:06+00:00

Pretty sure everyone who is within earshot of your typing (roll with it) was in a similar position to you. However. You probably have the career advantage, and that should make you fuckin happy. I took TRP last semester, knee deep in junior year of college. No money, no social life, very serious gf dumped me and fell in love for the first dweeb that met her...

Doesn't matter what I look like at this point. Compare my situation to yours. You have income, a car, probably a nice wardrobe (if not, step it up mang), and even if you are embarrassingly ugly, getting ripped and dressing well will make you attractive.

Who gives a fuck what girls think. Become who you wanna be, get in good shape, then you have all the power.

wazzym · 2014-04-21T08:08:32+00:00

Be ~~with~~ someone who makes you happy

[deleted] · 2014-04-21T13:15:28+00:00

You see an arsehole, women see an interesting, confident man who isn't constantly handing power over to them, who isn't pandering to their every need, who is a challenge, who is intriguing and has some spice, who knows what he wants and isn't afraid of asking for it even if he's likely to be rejected.

He's only a real arsehole if he cheats after promising the woman the world, if he hits her, or if he is using her to get something else, ie conning her out of money.

Speaking as a man who was beta for many years and has only really woken up in the last couple of years, live life for yourself, stop putting women first, stop agonising over women, don't be afraid to piss a woman off. And as wishy-washy as this sounds, be positive, stop dwelling on the negative and your failings because not only are they holding you back, but they're making you unattractive.

You'll be amazed just how much better you feel about yourself, and at how much better people, including women, react to you.

Cyralea · 2014-04-21T13:22:38+00:00

I get your situation. You're basically me 3-4 years back. I had all the things that I thought were perfect for reigning in high-quality tail (looks, money, hobbies), but somehow failed to hold onto anything worthwhile. You need to learn how to exhibit dominant frame. There's no substituting it.

I was bitter as shit before too. I would go on OKCupid, and get a tidalwave of gold-digging whores hitting me up looking to take care of their bastard spawn. I was the perfect plan B.

I didn't give into that shit. Went through a number of disastrous relationships, but eventually ended up with a RPW. I'm her second sexual partner. She cooks and cleans like a champ. She's no unicorn, but she's not the kind of girl you can snag with a pussy beta mindset. RPW don't want soft effeminate boys.

cooltrip · 2014-04-21T15:45:55+00:00

Okay bro, no one said the world is perfect.

Some babies are unfairly born with big disabilities, and they'll become very disabled adults. Is it their fault? Of course no. And it won't be their fault the fact that they'll never know the authentic sexual success.

Some of the bad things you get in life, and some of the good things you get in life, are accordingly and fairly deserved by your deeds and actions. But we are unaskedly brought by our parents to this world where you can also get both good things (a billonaire bequest, being born genetically Alpha, etc) and bad things (being born with serious disabilities, etc) which don't correspond or correlate to your deeds and actions, and so they are undeserved by you. So we are unaskedly brought by our parents to this world where it is also possible that you suffer bad things despite being a good person, and that you enjoy good things despite being a bad person. To me, a world where something like this can happen, is a hell of injustice, because I can't conceive a worst hell than a world of injustice.

All I can do to try to make you feel a bit better, is attempting to bring to your mind some more balance and peace through the following pieces of advice:

1º) Notice and realize the fact that we are unaskedly brought by our parents to a world where, being true that there can be a fair correlation/correspondence between the goodness or badness of your acts and deeds, and the goodness or badness of the things or outcomes you get through those acts and deeds, however unfair correlations also exist and are possible, so you can suffer bad adversities without having carried out evil deeds or actions, and you can enjoy happy situations despite having behaved cruelly or evilly; realize and appreciate this unfair side of the world, in order to learn to distinguish between the fates, outcomes and consequences that are your responsibility or guilt, and those other ones that are not and so you are getting undeservedly and unfairly; and so, finally, having learnt to distinguish between fates, outcomes and consequences that deservedly correspond to your deeds and actions, and those other ones that don't, learn to not feel responsible or guilty for the fates, outcomes and consequences that are unfairly and undeservedly brought by this world to you, regarless of your deeds and actions. The important thing is your intentions and attempts, not what this world makes you get for those intentions and attempts; only judge and esteem yourself for your honest intentions, attempts and efforts, not for what this world will allow you to get or gain by way of those intentions, attempts and efforts.

Have in mind that your praiseworthy actions would not be that praiseworthy in a world that was happy, perfect and easy; your praiseworthy actions can only be praiseworthy in a world that is difficult.

2º) Don't let this real world's aspect of casual or eventual lack of fair correspondence between some of your deeds and acts and the outcomes and consequences you get for them, lead you to even give up on considering and relying on the fact that, after all, the real world still holds as well the more fundamental rule of the fair correspondence between your acts and deeds, and the outcomes you get, so you get outcomes good or bad according to how good or bad where your actions. Don't give up on remembering this rule of justice and on preferring to rely on this rule of justice; don't become lazy because "anyway, I don't know if the world will bring me a fair or an unfair outcome for my actions". So, regardless of the unfair and undeserved vicissitudes from the real world, BE AND KEEP BEING THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE, as if the world were going to reward or punish your actions in a fair manner; so carry out your best deeds, actions and efforts in order to get the good and enjoyable outcomes you want or need; and don't be mean or evil. Your intentions, attempts and efforts are the important things. If you don't get your fair and deserved outcomes, then apply 1º) and don't blame yourself.
3º) DON'T BE NICE OR KIND; INSTEAD OF THAT, APPLY THE RULE OF BEING KIND OR NICE ONLY KIND OR NICE PEOPLE (women). So be kind or nice to people (women) only inasmuch as people (women) are kind or nice to you. Remember that being kind to mean or evil people is not kindness, it is complicity, and it makes you mean or evil as well.

Corollaries:

3º.1) People (women) shouldn't need to give you reasons to earn your disregard, your aloofness or your detachment, since anyway they didn't have your friendship before they knew you; don't award your friendship for free; people (women) should need to give you reasons to earn your friendship, or your love, which they don't have before they know you.
3º.2) Even if you can get a woman's body by beta or non-Alpha ways, anyway you don't want to get a woman as a beta man or as a non-Alpha man, you want to get a woman as an Alpha man. So, if anyway you are not an actual Alpha, then you will never get a woman as an Alpha man, regardless of whether you can get her as a non-Alpha man. So, if you are not going to get a woman as an Alpha man ever because anyway you are not an actual Alpha, and if consequently whatever your choice is it won't matter because you won't get a woman as an Alpha man anyway, then if you aren't an actual Alpha, choose to behave as an Alpha anyway, since the alternative, i.e., behaving as a non-Alpha, won't get you women as an Alpha man anyway. Don't let any woman treat you worse or set you higher prices or conditions, for the same goals with her, than that woman would set or allow to an Alpha.
3º.3) In whatever way, remember that no thing in this world should ever justify that you behave like a clown to a woman; no thing in this world should ever justify that you behave like a beta to a woman; no thing in this world should ever justify that you behave like a non-Alpha to a woman, considering how women allow an Alpha to behave.

If all men behaved according to these principles, then women would learn the hard way that the Alpha/non-Alpha distinction is not that important or relevant in the real world.

4º) The quality of Alphaness is quite relative, contextual and conditional. For example, women tend to choose what they consider Alphas among the men of their own race and ethnicity; but there might be other races with a higher anatomical Alphaness. Black men and African men tend to have a higher anatomical Alphaness than European men, Asian men or native American men; but you know most European women tend to prefer European men.

buddhabullshit · 2014-04-21T16:47:36+00:00

I realized some time ago that no matter what I do to try and improve myself, I'll always be the same person underneath. I could have a Ferrari, 10 million dollar house in the mountains, a 500k/yr job but none of it would make a difference.

You have everything but confidence so you should learn that confidence is literally everything. Women will forgive no job, shit appearance, no car if you have confidence. But if you have no confidence then it really doesn't matter, you will be the beta bux begging for scraps.

I'm not one to beg for scraps, so it's either get my mind together or just opt out.

[deleted] · 2014-04-21T05:22:32+00:00

I'm bitter than women now will have fun and waste their youth on alpha assholes who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them.

This is where you are wrong, those guys/girls by TRPs conditions sound like

Plates and pick-up artists. PUA guys have little substance. I was into the PUA scene back in early 2007-2008.

Shit just didn't work for long due to my desire for more than just getting aHB9 when sarging.

TRP to me at least effectively teaches how to game a relationship out of your own substance based inner game These plates that these pick up artists are spinning aren't even chicks you should be worried about, if a LTR with a RPW is what you're after.

Plates will come and go. Learn abundance mentality ASAP.

Rainymood_XI · 2014-04-21T07:17:45+00:00

Women like alphas. No one is denying that fact.

I am. The world is huge mate. There are girls beyond the West. There are probably some unicorns that don't want to fuck alphas. \

Women like men who are attractive above all, who are also confident and make some money.

Being attractive =/= being model attractive. I'd rate myself a simple 7/10 but I have girls overheard me that I'm attractive because I DGAF.

I'm bitter than women now will have fun and waste their youth on alpha assholes who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them. I can't help but sound like an incredibly huge white knight neckbeard right now... but I've become bitter because it's people like me who will be "available" to these women once they are through with alphas (or visa verse). When they are ready to settle down and find a man to support them that's when we start looking more attractive.

But why do you want to waste the rest of your life with those sluts? The world is huge mate. There are people who are exactly like you (geeky, paste, bit chubby perhaps, gamer chicks) who dont go outside that much but might be a perfect match for you (or do you care about having a trophy wife?)

I spend so much time improving myself not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a female (no surprise).

not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a female

not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a female

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WRONG! STOP GIVING A FUCK ABOUT A WOMEN'S OPINION ON YOU.

[deleted] · 2014-04-21T08:27:03+00:00

Man I'm just like you. I got dumped by my first love 2 months ago. Hell she owed me money and won't give it to me back. I fell into some kind of depression, stopped working completely and started again like 2 weeks ago.

Since I discovered red pill, I understood what I did wrong. She dumped me because all throughout the relationship that lasted 16 months I was behaving as an alpha with her, I was behaving like an asshole. As soon as I started thinking that I should be nicer, she lost interest into me.

The red pill is not about getting pussies (I think, I have only known this subreddit for one week). It is about self-improvement. Learning to live with yourself.

Do not worry about the women, you're improving yourself for yourself, not for the others, to feel good. A woman is not mandatory to be happy.

Don't over-think on stuff that makes you sad, make yourself busy working/having fun/improving. I know the world is fucked up but what choice do we have? You gotta adapt yourself man

PS : English is not my mother tongue.

myschadenfreude · 2014-04-21T11:11:08+00:00

It gets better. Dating in my 30's is great, I wish I would have got on board sooner.

Being bitter is unattractive, plain and simple. Some girl gives you the "Plan B" vibe, move on. It's a numbers game, after a while you won't fear rejection, you'll be rejecting and having fun.

Women aren't the object or goal of a good life. Making you the best man you can is your goal. Trust me.

robesta · 2014-04-21T11:59:24+00:00

OP: as other commenters have said, get out there. Cold approach. Often. Get your game wired tight.

If you want chicks with different values, focus on chicks from other countries. American girls tend to undervalue providers. International girls tend to value providers.

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What is this?

laere · 2014-04-21T13:35:04+00:00

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chancechants · 2014-04-21T15:34:36+00:00

http://www.kickball.com/austin

OP join your local kickball league. Start with non-competitive. They go to a bar after games. Make friends, win at life.

southernmost · 2014-04-21T16:26:32+00:00

Remember this feeling when you're 30 and hollowing out 18-24 year old chicks regularly. Remember it, and do not wife a ho.

HeadingRed · 2014-04-21T17:00:49+00:00

You are 24- chill. In a few years you will be the shit, and loads of women will be swarming you. Your biggest challenge will be staying single. You will also notice your anxieties get less and less pronounced over time.

[deleted] · 2014-04-21T17:13:36+00:00

We are all not that.

What you mean is: We are not all that.

This changes the meaning. It may seem pedantic to you, but being precise with language is an important skill to have.

I feel like that's the future for a lot of decent guys and it's shitty.

Yeh, well, that's life. You'll be dead in a few decades anyway so try to make the most of what you can and don't torture yourself over the rest.

For what it's worth, as you get older you will learn to better cope with your lot in life. That's not to say you shouldn't strive to improve it.

vengefully_yours · 2014-04-21T18:08:51+00:00

First, you're 24 man, life isn't over. I am living proof that a forty year old man can fuck twenty year old women with relative ease. Just because they don't want you now, doesn't mean you can't be the high value male in the future, not just a plan B, but a man with options because he earned them through hard work and discipline.

You will get your chance to fuck the young hotties provided to take care of your body and continually improve yourself while building your life. I get hotter women now than I did when I was 21 and in great physical condition. I'm not as physically attractive as I can be, yet I get women between 18 and 36 showing interest, pursuing, and outright asking to spend time with me, once they get to know me. They don't often approach, but they are very receptive and eager. I'm a short heavily muscles but with too high bf% to look cut, and I get attractive women without too much effort. I get ugly and fat ones stupid easily.

CarlsPudding · 2014-04-21T19:43:25+00:00

Yeah, I'm right there with you. Seems like a lot of low to mid-tier women want to bang me, and a lot of upper-tier women want to boyfriend-zone me. I fucking hate that more than anything. I guess I must look a whole lot better with my wallet out.

WAFC · 2014-04-21T20:24:49+00:00

Everyone seems to think I have confidence issues.

That's just the RP cure-all whenever someone complains about anything, true or not. Confidence is not some magic pill that will make women see you as attractive.

PlusGoody · 2014-04-21T20:45:24+00:00

Dude:

At 24 you don't have a "great career" unless you're a movie star or CEO of start-up that's had a liquidity event. Unless you went to Harvard or Stanford or work for Goldman or McKinsey, you don't even have a visible credential that most people would associate with likely future success. When you actually have real career standing and wealth*, you'll be amazed at how different things are -- not just externally, but in how you perceive yourself and what your posture is to the world.

Social anxiety and introversion are killers. Solve that shit. Therapy, anti-depressants, Dale Carnegie, getting a responsible buzz on when in company, Landmark Forum, whatever you need to do -- do it.

And what is this business about being fated to be some woman's sad compromise? No 33-year-old single mom is going to come along and force you to join her in a bickering sexless marriage. You decide who is worth dating, no one else.

*If you work in STEM other than becoming a surgeon, in quant trading, or for a startup with real options, that is going to be NEVER, by the way. Get a better career.

eazy_bgko · 2014-04-22T03:29:20+00:00

I feel the same way sometimes. I was 120lb in highschool and I got no girls no real attention no respect. I decided to workout alot and got up to 185. Yet I didnt have the confidence or social skills to go with my better physique. I have had chicks persue me and date but they say I make them nervous and leave or use as the other guy or second choice. I feel your fustration.

newguy75 · 2014-04-22T05:03:01+00:00

"Young love?" That is what 19 year old escorts are for.

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HeTakesHisTime · 2014-04-21T11:31:39+00:00

I don't know what is wrong with you. I was under the assumption that this subreddit was for "alphas", as the popular terminology is here. Why are you whining on the internet like a bitch? Let's look at everything you said. You sound like you cannot be an "alpha" for many reasons. The main reason is that you are whining about girls. Guess what? Whining about girls is not attractive.

Women like alphas. No one is denying that fact. Women like men who are attractive above all, who are also confident and make some money. Basically the 3 big things.

We are all not that. I am certainly not that. I'm introverted and have social anxiety, but what I lack socially I make up for in other ways. Like a lot of you; I have a great job and career. I have interests, hobbies, talents, and even some savings. I might not be the most attractive person, but I try to dress nicely and workout. I at least put in some effort. What I lack socially I make up for with substance. Like many of you- I might be beta, but I'm not hopeless. I'm sure there are so many people out there who are the same way.

Man the fuck up and learn how to talk to girls. You have a great job and workout, but you are afraid to talk to a girl? I would not hire you. You can't talk to a girl? You are probably not very good at your job if you are so anxious in life that you can't speak to a woman because she has a pussy. What is wrong with you (anxiety, I guess, lack of confidence that you claim).

Being in this age group women value alpha over everything and at this point nothing I've said is new to anyone. I think about stuff like this constantly. That tinder post that's been floating around shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but to me it's just upsetting. I've realized that I'm bitter. I'm bitter than women now will have fun and waste their youth on alpha assholes who are self absorbed and who will probably cheat on them. I can't help but sound like an incredibly huge white knight neckbeard right now... but I've become bitter because it's people like me who will be "available" to these women once they are through with alphas (or visa verse). When they are ready to settle down and find a man to support them that's when we start looking more attractive.

Girls love bitter guys that could never get laid before /s

You are so going at this the wrong way. WTF?

This realization is just so upsetting to me. I spend so much time improving myself not only for me, but in hopes that I can attract a female (no surprise). But it doesn't matter. You either have it or you don't when you're this age.

How old are you exactly?

Either women will acknowledge your existence or see right through you until one day they realize that they are developing wrinkles and their tits aren't as perky as they used to be. I feel bitter being a plan B. I want to have fun too and experience young love, but it's not easy for guys like me and we will end up waiting for our day to come in ten years when weekends won't be spent in bars and night clubs, but at lowes and home depot.

What does that mean?

I feel like that's the future for a lot of decent guys and it's shitty.

/end rant

All-in-all, you are a whiny bitch. Stop whining and feeling like a victim and take control of your life. Or, continue this way and whine for the rest of your life. You sound like a child. You probably are.

You'll never get a decent job or a decent girl this way.

Stop sounding like a bitch.

Title	I've realized that I'm a plan B kind of guy and I'm bitter about it.
Author	The_BitterTruth
Upvotes	82
Comments	109
Date	April 21, 2014 1:50 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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