Do American women feel betrayed by the Sexual Revolution and Feminism?

BleachedJam · 2020-08-14T21:42:40+00:00

I would never have casual sex. The only people I've had sex with were in long term relationships, one of which I married. I've never sent a sext or sexy picture. I would never have an Onlyfans and I'd never be a stripper.

This made dating complicated. Guys didn't want to wait months to have sex. They got annoyed when I wouldn't send pics or be happy to receive them. Online dating didn't work for me, at all.

I've been cheated on, a lot, by one of the men I dated. He did it because I was his first long term girlfriend and his father told him he couldn't settle down without banging at least 15 girls. It really sucked and messed with me for a long time, I was young and impressionable.

Despite this, I fully support the "sexual revolution". I fully support people who have casual sex, who send sexy pics, who have an Onlyfans. I support consensual polygamy, porn, strippers. If someone says they feel empowered by being gang banged in front of a camera then they have my full support!

Yes, these things made dating hard for me. But I think its important for people to be able to live the way that makes them happy. Me having a hard time dating shouldn't make me want to change how other people live their lives. Even though I wouldn't feel empowered doing porn, I have no right to tell other women they can't be empowered from it. Too many people focus on generalization. "This empowers women! No it doesn't!" We should focus on what we find empowering at an individual level. If my daughter grew up and had casual sex and did porn, I'd support it as long as she wore protection and kept herself safe. Sex feels good, how someone chooses to pursue that doesn't bother me.

We all need to live our lives to our own levels of enjoyment and satisfaction. We need to stop worrying about what others do and just find people like us.

badgersonice · 2020-08-14T21:04:00+00:00

Why would I feel betrayed? Part of the sexual revolution was that you can CHOOSE whether to sex or CHOOSE not to, instead of having few choices beyond being prostitute or being forced to marry some loser and having to fuck him instead, or maybe if someone would support you, you could be an mocked old maid. And I guess if you weren't protestant, you could have chosen a nunnery, whoopee.

I had the freedom to chose not to have casual sex I didn't want and to chose not to marry ugly lazy men I didn't want. The sexual revolution didn't "force" me to have sad lonely casual sex with dozens of men who'd never love me-- I know because I didn't have casual sex or marry a loser. It's awesome.

Smoogs2 · 2020-08-14T19:09:08+00:00

As a whole no, but it’s hard to deny the cultural consequences of liberalism. You could say that the sexual revolution is positive but even the most ardent feminist supporter today will have critiques of capitalism and what the “free market” has turned sex relations into. That’s why actual feminists today are intersectional and communist.

But I think American women either a) don’t mind or b) don’t really even think about feminism.

Zombombaby · 2020-08-15T01:25:42+00:00

Honestly, women didn't have autonomy financially, socially or judicially. The sexual revolution has its pros and cons the same as every revolution does. There are more pros than cons ultimately. Women got the ability to divorce a shove spouses, own their own bank accounts and property and go to school. In the 70's, women weren't even allowed to have access to birth control.let alone abortions. It's crazy to think that there are people who look back at women and their right before feminism and think 'yay, spousal abuse and limited opportunities in the workforce and in education! God forbid I try and run a marathon as a woman, because that's how you lose an ovary.' and think,i wish I was born before feminism.

It seems like a legitimate nightmare. Think about it. Would you like to be treated like that?

poppy_blu · 2020-08-14T20:51:27+00:00

I’m grateful for feminism for paving the way to give me more choices in life. What I do with those choices is on me. Any woman who blames feminism for not making her happy needs to understand that her own happiness on her. Feminism never promised to make you happy. It only promised to make it possible for you to make the choices that would make you happy.

That said, that’s simultaneously a big way feminism also failed. They did a great job of opening doors for educated UMC primarily white women, not so much for working class, poor and minority women. They’ve consistently focused on their demographic at the exclusion of other women, often deliberate. In that vein I don’t have much love for American feminists) but I don’t use my energy to resent them.

And if I can be frank re FDS. Women who congregate in those types of spaces, rpw, FDS, etc. tend to be women who have a harder time attracting quality men. It’s tempting for them to blame feminism and the sexual revolution for “making it so that good men don’t commit anymore” or in the case of rpw pretending feminism is the reason they can’t snag a tradcon/meal ticket. But in my mind that’s no different than incels claiming they can’t get laid because of feminism or metoo or society or whatever.

goatismycopilot · 2020-08-14T19:47:58+00:00

Either you are a piece of property of some random man who wants a hot bangmommy and has no idea if you have a personality or not, or you are a slave to capitalism and its faceless indifference to anything other than production and efficiency and endlessly reinventing anxiety.

Substantial_Wasabi · 2020-08-14T19:16:08+00:00

Nope. I've encountered plenty of relationship oriented men, if i wanted to be married with kids by now at 22 i could've had that. On the flip side if i wanted to be a promiscuous stripper i could do so all thanks to the sexual revolution.

ggirlNC · 2020-08-14T19:27:59+00:00

Yes and no.

Yes- I engaged in casual sex/love whatever because I thought it would make me feel like a young beautiful qween goddess who could literally do no wrong. I, in fact, did many things wrong and it took me awhile to figure out that those attempts were what was wrong. It took longer for me to forgive myself for them, seek therapy, and find my core values again. I was finally ready to begin dating but covid 🙄

I blame myself, SOME elements of modern feminism, and the men who profited/encouraged my views.

No- 2nd wave feminism made certain legal, individual, and property rights available to me that would not have been there without it.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-08-14T19:06:33+00:00

No. Although there is a minority that does.

flamingoinghome · 2020-08-14T19:00:36+00:00

How, exactly, do you think men behaved regarding women and sexuality prior to the 1960s?

SpicyHeckGirl · 2020-08-15T01:40:05+00:00

Onlyfans sex worker nonmonogamous high n-count femoid trash here.

Needless to say I am grateful for the sexual revolution. I have always loved sex and have never been interested in marriage or long term commitment from a man. In theory I’ve never been totally against it, I’ve just never ever met a man that I thought “yeah, you, FOREVER.” Honestly it feels like a horror story. I thank my lucky stars I happened to be born after birth control was invented and readily available. The times I’ve been in serious monogamous relationships has always been great at first, but after a while I just felt stifled and trapped. I’ve always felt much happier as a single person doing as a please sexually and socially. That said, I know not all women are like me or should be like me, and I can sympathize with their predicament: obviously woman who prioritize LTRs and family have by and large lost a lot of leverage. Men are less likely to commit when sex and porn are cheap. That’s just a fact.

From a purely selfish POV, it’s worked out great for me. I’ve been particularly successful in the online sex industry. All of my adult life I’ve had a lot of money, the freedom and flexibility to travel the world, buy a house, afford college, fuck who I please, and have had some amazing relationships along the way. It allowed me to carve out the life of my dreams. I will always be grateful for that.

But I know not every woman will want to take this path, or can take this path (like I said, I’ve been particularly successful in my line of work. It’s not the norm) so whether or not this is a net good for women in general is hard to tease out. it’s a trade off; it took away women’s leverage for LTRs, but in return gave us more choices and less stigma to act as the sexual beings we are. It’s great for women who don’t want to be limited to just being a wife and a mother, but trickier for women who do genuinely want those things. That said, people get married and have kids all the time. So nothing is totally off the table. We just have more choices, which makes things messier, but ultimately better IMO.

Nurizeko · 2020-08-14T21:38:28+00:00

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SaBahRub · 2020-08-14T19:08:12+00:00

Feminism, much like society, is just a compromise. So it will be imperfect. Like humans, ya know? I don’t think patriarchy was great for all men either

roseyscrunchy · 2020-08-14T19:12:31+00:00

Nah, I could not relate to that thread at all. The "romance" she's pining for never existed. It was all an elaborate ruse for men to get into women's pants, I'd much rather men be upfront about it.

toughenup2016 · 2020-08-14T21:23:47+00:00

The way things are going now, in 10 yrs, no one will get themselves in committed monogamous relationships.

librarylady1980 · 2020-08-14T22:24:04+00:00

What great timing with this question! I watched an OxfordUnion talk this morning, with Pamela Anderson and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, about the dangers of porn and one of the things Pam Anderson said that resonated with me a lot was that (paraphrasing) the sexual revolution actually created a culture in which women and men don't feel special to one another anymore (and said the same for same sex relationships as well) and that in light of what happened with the sexual revolution, we now need a sensual revolution...we need to need each other again, and develop relationships and vulnerability and intimacy and have explosive sex with someone we have gotten to know and love on a soul level and move away from the hook up culture of anonymous sex that leaves us constantly searching for something more/something better. They said instead of getting to know a person superficially at the "horizontal" level, which the sexual revolution and 3rd wave feminism paved the way for, we need to get to know each other on a "vertical" level, diving deeply into one intimate partner with our mind, body, and soul.

I do feel betrayed by the sexual revolution and third wave feminism. The promise of liberation turned out to be yet another con job that has devalued monogamous relationships, true partnerships, and real intimacy.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-08-15T03:41:21+00:00

Probably not.

I don't think there has ever been a single documented instance where one class of people moves into the position of privilege and then turns that down.

Women are the center of attention, the sex that is in demand, have a legal upper hand, overwhelmingly more political power, and are rapidly moving up on the scale of economic power across income quintiles.

...why would they feel betrayed by that? If anything, the speed at which social wind shifted materially in their favor was considerably faster than anyone thought it would happen.

Don't worry though, despite overwhelming evidence that being a woman is fucking great, they'll still have airtime on the NYT front page about how shitty and unattractive and oppressive you are, men.

Dudes who think women are unhappy right now are lying to themselves in some kind of pursuit of a revenge fantasy or something. The world is much simpler, and much shittier than that. If you're a dude, that is.

OXOzymandias · 2020-08-14T21:25:41+00:00

I'm not American (thankfully) but I live in a progressive, post-sexual-revolution country in the west.

I LOVE what feminism has done and I am very very grateful that it has effected my life.

I think sexuality is linked with well being, and I ardently think that to have a salubrious sex life - other areas in your life can thrive.

I like that I have the freedom to explore my body and my sexuality with other people without a massive amount of stigma and danger to my life.

I love having sex with men, and I love that eaxh experience is different and can teach me something about myself and my body.

MitchMcconnellFan · 2020-08-15T00:35:04+00:00

The Sexual Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

ashbash1119 · 2020-08-14T20:13:10+00:00

I just hate how "women have the right to work" became "women MUST work to keep the family afloat". Even outside of cishet relationships, even in some kinda throuple, every adult has to work now (unless family is very lucky, becoming rare) just to afford basic shit. That's not what feminism should have evolved into. Also, kids need two parents, idc what their gender is even. Single motherhood is another way feminism failed us collectively.

jjlew922 · 2020-08-14T21:01:12+00:00

I cant remember the specifics (college was over a decade ago ;) but there were 2 trains of thought in the 1st wave led by Friedan and Steinem along the lines of: women are different but equal vs. women are the same and equal. We’re seeing in modern culture the latter. Rather than embracing femininity as a strength (intuition, deep feeling, intellect) it is seen often in our culture as weak (too emotional, too sensitive) so women have become more masculine to compete in our Western culture which has been molded over the last several centuries by patriarchy. I believe the sexual revolution just confused us more and with the advent of easily accessible, online pornography in the 2000’s, casual sex, promiscuity and prostitution-lite has taken form. If we women were to connect deep with our femininity, we would find we get no gratification from these activities. Nofab men might say the same. It’s lust-based, not connection based. We’re performing in the bedroom, not connecting. With a true connection, sex is absolutely mind-blowing for a woman (biologically we have 5 erogenous areas, check out the A and O spot). I’ve had many discussions with my feminist friends and I respect their position, we all have the right to our opinions, but we can’t deny biological a woman releases the love/attachment hormone during sex which makes us bond to a man. I would probably agree with TRP (God forgive me) that a woman may have a harder time bonding if she has a high n count simply for the fact of oxytocin but this can be overcome, just like a man’s addiction to pornography.

BROWN-TOILET-PAPER · 2020-08-14T21:28:11+00:00

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rhyth7 · 2020-08-15T08:09:05+00:00

I feel like the whole onlyfans, premium snaps, sending nudes and asking for anal and choking, making sextapes as a way to get fame never should have happened. Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton set women far back, but those vids were leaked by the men so they did make the best of it by capitalizing on it, capitalism allows you to profit from a shitty situation if you can market well. But all of these things are tied to porn consumption. The rise of porn has been terrible for women.

I think the early 2000's was where the best balance was. People in their early 30's now are the last generation to have not grown up with Internet porn. When I was in college anal was still a joke and not demanded, nudes were requested but it didn't make a man throw a fit if you didn't send them. Hookups were still nice, the guys didn't mind going down or making out. Now guys only care about their penis. 2010 onward has been shitty.

Lonely_Cartographer · 2020-08-15T19:59:18+00:00

Yes. I do feel betrayed. The sexual revolution has primarily benefitted men from what I can see. While most women want to experiment a bit, and have a few casual encounters for fun ultimately most (of course not all) women want to find a partner, be in a committed relationship and have a family.

The culture has degraded to the point where "hooking up" or casual sexual encounters have in many ways REPLACED relationships, especially in teens and 20s. Women are expected and encouraged to "sow their wild oats" are considered weird if they don't have one night stands are encouraged to "explore their sexuality" and are expected to do increasingly weird and potentially harmful shit that men see in porn (choking, anal etc.,). There's a lot of pressure on women to seek out and enjoy random sex and it's almost a right of passage. The truth is most women want a tiny bit of that but would rather be at home with a boyfriend or husband.

Women used to have sexual power and could use that sexual power to encouraged and demand men get in a committed relationship with her. (want to have sex with me? then you'll have to marry me). Now that power is totally gone because women and men are so easy men can just find another girl who will put out. Men no longer have to work for sex, nor marry to access it.

Now a big part of the reason women used to have sexual power is because before the pill the risk was way way to high for her to allow just any man to have sex with her --- she could get pregnant and so she needed to make sure someone had her back before doing so.

With the advent of the pill and the accompanying sexual revolution men got to abdicate their responsibility and it now falls all on the women's shoulders to :

avoid getting pregnant
if they do get pregnant they have to either have an abortion, give it away or be primarily responsible for the child

Previously men were responsible and held accountable to their actions. Knocked up a girl? Had to marry her and financially support the baby. They were equally as involved in brith control and went to great lengths to avoid getting a girl pregnant.

richlad · 2020-08-16T05:01:20+00:00

Well, I was broke and used to work in am office with equal number of women and men.

Men did the most work, while women coasted easily and we as a team weren't demanding of women, and happily did their share of work.

Fast forward, when it came to dating or living together - women expected 50% household stuff must be done by men. This completely disregards the fact that most demanding jobs in a company are done by men and females are often subsidized by labor of men.

This is so unfair for men, we've to subsidize them in office yet come back home and perfect 50% labor in household work.

Women today are doing better in terms of attention they are getting from guys who she work with in office or school. Previously, it was frowned upon being cosy with a taken woman, these days most guys or girls do not care. They'll actively flirt and stuff.

So any man who takes the provider and fair contributor to household is effectively at loss. You can make this scarifice if your wife atleast wants 2 kids and you are able to get atleast custody of 1 kid in future. Other than this marriage has no benefits.

Women think, their choices have empowered them but 90% of women I know are depressed, overworked, sad and have eating disorders and uncessary consumption of products causing them weird allergies and diseases.

Most of them have problem in that they only compare best case of today to the worse case of past. And declare themselves to be winner.

John_Oakman · 2020-08-14T19:40:16+00:00

It might appear that way to the surface observer as such but that's only because back in the "good o'days" women don't have a public voice to complain and were generally silenced as far as the public discourse was concerned. If we crack open some dairies from back in the day there's probably a lot of complaints from bitter women chained to loveless marriages and abused by their husbands and other male relatives, and knowing that there's no help from society (and a lot of quite the opposite). Some may have suffer enough for Stockholm syndrome to take hold but that's far from a sign of happiness.

The amount of complaining is actually a step in the right direction as women finally have the freedom to voice the centuries of systematic discontent that they have suffered from, and the continued injustices they have to face on a regular basis.

12112019 · 2020-08-14T20:40:36+00:00

It is a hard sell given that the sexual market indicates the wishes of the average woman

ctrl_f_sauce · 2020-08-14T22:05:21+00:00

Do you guys remember the “it gets better” PSAs? I feel like a lot of the problems in this sub can be answered with, “ it gets better.”

In my experience in the United States of America, as an adult, I can find like minded people for any of my positions if I am willing to look. As a young adult, I wasn’t taking control of my life yet. I was coasting on the momentum my parents set for me.

If you don’t like the way your friends think, get new friends, move, change careers, examine a different or no faith... Don’t trust what people say on the internet. Many people communicate with intentions that go beyond expressing their views. So people won’t write that they think “sex has big consequences” out of fear that will encourage others to take away their ability to take risks. Most of us know that sex is life changing serious, and we don’t casually take the risk, but we don’t want others to take away our ability to be risky.

whenthefunstop · 2020-08-15T02:28:50+00:00

Every women set there own standards, it just women are more judged and shamed for the things men do regularly with absolutely no backlash, if you give sex a very high value and its sacred that fine, if you don’t that fine too, it’s all up to the person but you should never be shamed for it or the lack of it, it doesn’t make better or worst than anyone, has it cheapened women I don’t think so, sex is the world oldest profession there was always porn caveman painted it, Romans had sex show & orgies, it just now there’s technology and 7.5 billion people on earth so it more readily available, what still needs to change is women being shamed,judged and hate for it when men get absolutely no backlash

SemiCel · 2020-08-15T03:33:38+00:00

The sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Willow-girl · 2020-08-15T04:09:51+00:00

Women of my generation assumed that because we were going to work 40+ hours a week, men would voluntarily "do their fair share" of childcare and household tasks. I mean it only seems fair, right?! The problem is ... it didn't happen. :-(

relish5k · 2020-08-15T04:21:03+00:00

I think there is a sense of being sold a false bill of goods to be a "sexually liberated" woman. I'm not totally against casual sex but I am against the idea that women can go into it with the exact same approach as men. And yes, men are less accountable now to the women they sleep with. That means women need to be more careful screening men now then ever. Entrant FDS, all of these "high standard picky" women on OLD. Men seem to not like the fact that their improved access to women's bodies has resulted in stricter evaluations, or so we hear about on this sub ad nauseam.

2020-08-15T04:44:53+00:00

Sexual liberation is meaningless to women without political and economic equality, because men will always capitalize on selling women’s bodies. Feminism recognizes women are a sex class and have a common goal of liberation from male supremacy.

Individual empowerment for comparatively privileged white cam models is pretty meaningless when Indian baby girls are being sold for pocket change and then sexually trafficked.

I’m glad feminism has made the strides that it has but we aren’t going to be free under capitalism. The most we can do is keep teaching other women who are ready to listen to how to not comply with their own oppression, to see the bars of the cage for what they are, the structure of sex-based classism.

GennyX · 2020-08-15T06:01:28+00:00

I’m an Aussie woman, but no, I don’t feel betrayed. I support feminism and the sexual revolution, and I look forward to future improvement.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2020-08-15T06:30:10+00:00

Feminism sought to free women of traditional gender roles. Which they have more or less achieved to a great extent.

But what they overlooked was, men had traditional gender roles too. That of a provider, protector, obligation to be a father (even if child isn't yours), step up and marry if GF gets pregnant. Protect a random woman on road and be prepared to sacrifice self for society/woman.(this isn't obligatory for women). Fight wars, even if enemy is the aggressor.

Feminism gradually freed men too from this role. Men aren't obligated to fulfill these roles today anymore.

The only way u can still force men to do it is by indoctrination and by using shaming language. Once a men rises above these two, he can do anything he wants.

Lots of women aren't happy about this because there is no way to control these men. It's a loss of control they are complaining about, not about feminism.

AnotherWildling · 2020-08-15T10:51:32+00:00

Not american but of course not. Feminism is what supports me and my rights and allowed me to have choices. Feminsim is trying to do the same for men, liberate them from preconcieved gender roles that hurt them. The point is to be liberates from constraints. Both for men and women.

Asbelowsoaboveme · 2020-08-15T16:38:15+00:00

Betrayed by feminism? Hell no, I like having human rights. Betrayed by men and the sexual revolution? Yes. We believed men had good natures, that they loved women and had women’s best interests at heart. We gave them the benefit of the doubt; we thought the sexual revolution would mean the death of the Madonna/whore complex, but men insist on clinging to it and then crying about the lack of madonnas (when they’re the ones creating the whores in the first place).

I’ll keep the feminism and give back the casual sex hookup scene and excessive pornography. Feminism is not the enemy, feminism is an imperfect, evolving tool. Male nature is the true enemy for female progress and the female imperative.

Sabinecharles · 2020-08-14T18:58:23+00:00

rubbooyuri · 2020-08-14T19:23:59+00:00

We won’t until men up their standards for sex

Although, to be fair, a lot of women have very very low standards, just not for sex

IndependentEmu2 · 2020-08-14T19:33:10+00:00

Sure yes some do. Look how FDS is wanting to go back to traditional roles in many ways but they’re angry and annoyed at the SMP. Most women don’t have the temperament to thrive in a totally free SMP in which men don’t have to commit.

wtknight · 2020-08-14T19:39:00+00:00

I don’t think so yet. Most women who have had problems in the SMP and RMP are still at the stage of blaming men for their problems rather than seeing that men are by biologically by nature a certain way and that no cultural construct is going to change them. Once average women realize that high value men are only going to continue to take advantage of them, even with the recent feminist movements that either punish or shame men for their bad behavior, then more women might to start to look more critically at sexually liberal feminism.

XtoDoubt · 2020-08-14T19:12:38+00:00

Women would never blame themselves for fucking up. They'll blame men for their life plan of pretending to be men. See "fiscally marriageable" men for details. The whole idea was idiotic on its face for anyone who thought about it for five minutes.

PRCastaway · 2020-08-14T19:36:09+00:00

Dude being anti feminist is just a symptom of spending way too much time in the incel sphere. Do you feel victimized as a man in real life or just when seeing SJWs online? Anyone that feels victimized for being a straight cis white blah blah blah seriously has no life outside of the internet

_mwk · 2020-08-14T21:10:46+00:00

no im v grateful to feminism i get to do what i want ? my happiest memories wouldn't have happened if i lived a pre-feminist life. life is good.

i don't like the toxic positivity, and "everything is empowering" bs bc it's just bs, i also dont like the man hating, and the overly sexual part of current feminism. I also don't like how they put down classic femininity.

but i dont really care bc i dont have to conform to that part, and i wont. very happy i get to have a job, a life, a path i choose tho. i would have gone insane if i couldn't or if i faced an obstacle at every point.

SteveSan82 · 2020-08-15T00:29:42+00:00

They got what they wanted. Instead of disbanding Like abolitionists movements did when slavery ended, they just kept existing to get money. Instead of calling for equality, they began preaching hatred for men, pushing for laws to discriminate against men and calling for women to be as unattractive as possible. That's why most feminists look grotesque

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slavicslothe · 2020-08-14T22:33:42+00:00

No. FDS hates feminism because they are basically a weird mix of incels and aspiring trad wives.

IvarIsALie · 2020-08-15T01:18:04+00:00

Sexual Revolution actually freed both sexes (and all inbetween) to do whatever the hell they want with their sex life. Hence why slut-shaming etc is not a good thing - because it's restricting people's sexual wants and needs. The only thing that should be repressed in sexual terms are things that have the intention to hurt someone else, do something against their will. Nothing else.

" Men were no longer obligated to one just one women, didn’t need to marry if she just freely put out for sex, get rejected? Easy just move on to the next. " Same applies to women.

" Don’t want to get married young or have kids so soon, feel free to sow your wild oats until your ready, if you ever truly settle down. " What exactly is wrong with that? Settling down or not settling down is fine. Your hecking choice bro.

"Your not really sexually free if you don’t let a man tie you up, spank you, and call him Daddy. Your not really empowered if you don’t have an Onlyfans, or a stripper or a pornstar. " Literally nobody thinks like the 2nd paragraph. If you met people like that, I feel sorry for you, but they are the stupid minority who's views are not applicable to the majority of people.

"Big businesses and the economy got more cheap cattle to power the wheels of the economy under the guise of independence. The porn industry really took off following the 2nd and 3rd wave. " How does big business apply here? I don't get it, actually. Also, what's wrong with porn industry taking off? Porn is fun and as anything else it can be used properly, in moderation, or you can become a porn addict with unhealthy relationship and views on sex because of it. There is no black and white here.

"And then predictably like all movements, it fractured. " That happens to every movement and it's somewhat good actually. Because it's a sign that the main idea of the movement got solved - so lets move on to other, smaller things that we think are important.

" The best part is liberal movements cannibalize their own. You have libfeminists arguing with radfems(TERFs),over whether a woman born as a man is actually woman, or is it a man wearing a wig. Libfams arguing that getting gangbanged by 6 guys in front of a camera is actually an artistic representation of female empower vs radfems that argue porn is misogynistic and a female exploitation. " These arguments.. well are fucking stupid. TERFs are so "liberal" and "feminist" that they are ready to side with alt right just so they can peddle their badly hidden transphobia. For the 2nd part - yeah, it is female empowerment in a sense, simply because she can. And that's empowering. Doing whatever the fuck you want is empowering. And for radfems point on porn - yeah, there are very, very dark parts to the porn industry. Most of them can be solved by not ostricizing it and people in it, making sexual work an actual work in the eyes of the law and allowing sex workers to unionize, getting them the same protections as other fields.

withrowsprings · 2020-08-15T01:26:10+00:00

Feminism actually liberated men from the duty of marriage. No need to marry. Women take care of themselves. A child would be brought up by the society. Last time this happened was almost 500,000 BC when monkeys grouped together as hominoids. Cognitive revolution happened. Now, think about all those unmarriageable man, who are involved in thinking and deep in to philosophy....We are going to have a best 3000 AD. Just saying...

jdmgf5 · 2020-08-15T03:34:48+00:00

Yes because its bourgeiose feminism

jackandjill22 · 2020-08-15T04:11:26+00:00

Interesting.

sparklingscott · 2020-08-15T04:15:15+00:00

Now instead of having a loving familly and home, you can show those men by cleaning an h1b immigrants home so you can afford your apartment.

PlanetSquare · 2020-08-15T06:28:10+00:00

I don't feel particularly betrayed. I think people are more accepting of LGBTQ relationships now and that's cool for me. I like that as a woman I have options in life, I can vote, don't have to get married to a man, don't have to have children, I can get a job and support myself, etc.

Feminism has a lot of baggage and bad connotations so I don't personally identify with the movement but I do appreciate that overall, at least in a legal sense, men and women are equal and I have just as many rights as men do. Historically that has not always been the case. I'm happy to be born in the time and place that I was.

The sexual revolution also doesn't really negatively affect me much. I'm not personally interested in hookups or casual sex, and there are plenty of people who feel the same way as me in my experiences. I actually can't relate to promiscuity being so prevalent. All my friends are either virgins or only been with 2 people max but it's like people are under the impression that all women my age are having sex with several different men every week.

I think those who want a relationship but can only find people who want casual sex are looking for love in the wrong places. From what I understand, you will probably not find your soulmate at a bar or tinder. Gotta fish on the right pond. Also maybe you're giving off the wrong vibe and only attract people looking for something casual, like personally I'm usually turned off by people who are too sexual too soon, but the opposite might be true for someone who just wants to have a good time. Gotta use the right bait for the fish you wanna catch yanno.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-08-15T07:38:25+00:00

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Zippo-Cat · 2020-08-15T08:58:12+00:00

97% of people don't think about this shit, they live their bluepilled/redpilled social lies.

redditthrowaway1478 · 2020-08-15T13:57:34+00:00

Dude the sexual revolution was like 60yrs ago. The women who ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE FOR WOMEN BEFORE BIRTHCONTROL are in their 80s now and not on Reddit.

Feminism props its self up to be a force FOR women, so why would they feel betrayed? They’d rather use it for their own gains. Why would women nowadays feel betrayed by a system that has always been there for them since birth?

But who knows, maybe there’s some women out there with strong critical thinking capability and can jive with the understanding that, while feminism has done a lot of good in the world, they’ve also done a lot of not so good...

halaahaa · 2020-08-15T14:57:00+00:00

RemindMe! In 1 year

Tsula_2014 · 2020-08-15T15:42:41+00:00

It's not female sexuality being revolutionized that I have a problem with, as I think this is very important for everyone to be able to have control and openness about their sexuality. It's the people who abuse this and try to control others for sex that bothers me. If you want to go to involve yourself with sexual culture fine, but it's all about consent and mutual enjoyment.

If anyone isn't happy in a relationship and they don't or can't work on it they have the right to go be on their own and have more casual relationships. There are faithful partners and unfaithful partners and I don't think sexuality being revolutionized is going to morally influence these individuals.

breezeblock87 · 2020-08-15T17:25:29+00:00

so you think it would be better for women if we were more restricted in our ability to choose a partner, sleep around, etc. ? because....if we were, men's shitty behavior (i.e. promiscuity) would be better controlled? do you think there weren't many men fucking around on their wives prior to the sexual revolution? LOL.

just sigh. women and men are just as varied in their expectations about sex and settling down in their relationships.

you honestly don't think there are many men out there who will be monogamous, even if their gilfriend/wife isn't putting out? or that all men force their female partners to engage in sex acts they might find degrading? or that there are no men who want to settle down in their early 20s?

honestly, your post reads pretty sexist against men, as well as women. perhaps you are projecting.

>Big businesses and the economy got more cheap cattle to power the wheels of the economy under the guise of independence.

you're going to have to flush this one out a lot more. you are ignoring the massive deindustrialization, globalization, tax cuts for the wealthiest etc. that corresponded to societal changes for women.

mistresswhat · 2020-08-15T17:39:21+00:00

No, I like casual sex. Besides which, no feminist has ever said you need to have the kinky casual sex or do sex work in order to feel "empowered."

It may also shock you to realize this but there are things I care about besides sex and dating and I'm pretty happy with what feminism has done there.

bluehorserunning · 2020-08-15T18:23:20+00:00

I feel pretty comfortable; I don't know how younger women might feel (I'm in my early 40's, happily married). I'm *extremely* grateful that I was not pressured to marry and have children before I was ready to, and from my point of view the 'sexual revolution' was less about saying that 'women aren't liberated unless they do gang bangs on camera,' and more about 'women can enjoy sex and have the right to ask for what they want.' In my case, that's pretty vanilla, and thanks to the reduction of stigma about sex in general, I felt ok talking to my now-husband about what I wanted, what I didn't want, and what he wanted and didn't want. I think that sexual compatibility is an important factor in a couple's survival, and if I'd ended up with an incredibly kinky guy but didn't figure that out until the wedding night, we'd both have been incredibly disappointed and unhappy. Likewise, I'm naturally pretty monogamous and so is he, and that's another thing that we discussed before marriage.

I also felt comfortable holding out for a feminist man who treats me like a human being. My husband is my partner; he is not a parasitic male anglerfish, and I am not a groveling puppy.

witchfromthewoods · 2020-08-15T22:02:42+00:00

I don't feel betrayed by modern feminism or sexual Revolution I just don't feel like it was meant to include me oh, many of their stances are things I can't morally get behind and there is a issue from people who are involved heavily and both sexual Revolution and feminism to attack women who hold differing views than them especially those of us who hold more traditional views personally I would love to have a large family I married young and I'm a housewife there is nothing in 2nd or 3rd wave feminism that has been beneficial to me in fact a lot of it has been detrimental to my ability to choose the life that I want

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-08-16T03:17:18+00:00

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MetaphysicalDominant · 2020-08-17T10:12:28+00:00

The problem is that there’s no common objective morality, religion isn’t an answer, no common objective view of what’s moral sexually and no common objective view of masculinity and femininity. Everyone has an opinion, some feel they are right, but they have no way to persuade others because they don’t actually know that they are right. And a good part are explicitly against objectivity in morality and words in general, so they are trying not to be reasonable.

nik6979 · 2020-08-22T06:22:43+00:00

I must've missed all this shit your talking about . LMAO My mom and dad raised me to be independent thinking and to obtain my own education so I didnt depend on any one individual . I work in a female dominated field of medicine. Having choices gives freedom that's what my parents taught me . I choose who I married . Didn't have to marry anyone out of obligation. Married cause I wanted too , not cause I had too . Anybody getting married cause they have to isn't living in the USA . Never had a issues trying to find a LTR . Every guy I dated before my final choice wanted to marry me , talked about marriage within a month of dating me . I said no several times before choosing my husband to be. Men wanna settle down . However it takes more than having a decent job , good personality , looks and being intelligent to land a wife these days . It's called chemistry . Either you have it or you don't.

TheJim66 · 2020-08-14T19:21:34+00:00

I think they are starting to but aren't at that point yet. They are starting to figure out that maybe slutting it up has consequences and that maybe there is a reason they can't find relationships .That maybe slaving away as an office drone might not be as fulfilling as they thought it would be.

For now however they are at the negotiation stage. Fds and other pinkpill subs are a result of that ,an attempt to blame the whole thing on men and try to have the cake and eat it too. I don't think it's gonna last for very long.

Title	Do American women feel betrayed by the Sexual Revolution and Feminism?
Author	Majorian420
Upvotes	148
Comments	481
Date	August 14, 2020 6:47 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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