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[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
You know why you can't teach people not to drug others? Because most people won't drug others, you dingus! It takes someone with a seriously messed up mentality to actually think drugging someone is okay, and the majority of men are very against date rape drugs and the like.
God, it's like the "Let's teach men not to rape!" campaign. You can't teach someone not to do something they're already not inclined to do. It's easier to teach people to protect themselves because they will be able to stop their attacker.
This hashtag is so stupid and just another reason why I can't stand feminism's slacktivism.
[–]EdgarAllanNope 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If we just teach People not to break the goverent's rules, there'll be no more crime! Why did no one think of this before? Thanks feminists!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Requires people to have a conscience and not have the mental instability that comes with not caring about consequences.
[–]gabilromariz 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
slacktivism: gold
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I only wish I coined the term. ;)
[–]Achlies 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The "teach men not to rape" campaign isn't about teaching those who know better not to rape.
It's about those men who honestly and truly don't understand that just because you didn't attack a stranger at night, it's not rape. Those men (and women) who truly believe if someone's passed out, it might not be okay to have sex/touch them, but it's certainly not rape. Those men who don't understand that if you do nice things for a girl, she owes you something. That if she says yes, but then says no, you must stop immediately.
It's not for the men who already know better but do it anyway. It's for the thousands of gray areas.
[–]wolfkin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
whoa voice of reason.. what are you doing here?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a lot of these movements do is assume all men are that way and are going to do it, and that's something I hate. It isn't about the grey areas with feminist movements. It's "we have to educate all men not to rape" as if all men are rapists. It also often ignores the female attackers.
Schrodinger's rapist is the most ridiculous thing and it's downright rude to assume any and ever man is a rapist and therefore is not safe to be around.
It's better to educate victims on how to protect themselves; in fact, everyone needs to know how to protect themselves in the event they're being attacked. Why not focus on enabling people to save themselves rather than having them be a sitting duck and just hope people listen to your silly "don't rape" campaigns?
[–]JeenyusJane 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For what its worth....this brand of "Feminism" is slacktivism.
But, true feminist movements that campaign for real issues – such as better access to birth control, the right to vote, equal pay in the workplace when we're working the same jobs...have helped women greatly and we can't negate it under the umbrella of "Feminist Twitter Slacktivism."
You've got the MLKs and the fucking Jesse Jackson's in every group. The best antidote to a talking head is the mute button.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was the women's rights movement, primarily. Feminism started after we already got all of the necessary rights. Everything else following was more of a privilege rather than a right.
Now it's gotten to the point where if you don't follow feminist dogma to a T, you're magically a misogynist and against them.
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[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, you're not even discussing. You're just throwing around butthurt insults.
Misrepresentation? Hardly. Please take your whining elsewhere.
[–]sugarcrushEndorsed Contributor 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men have literally never been a victim of a violent crime ever. #NoManEver
[–]AwwYissMane 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The majority of people willing to drug or rape someone aren't the type of people who will be deterred by being told "don't drug or rape someone".
The idea that sexual assault is just a problem of poor education is a fucking joke. Rapists are going to rape people, no amount of finger wagging or hand-slapping is going to stop them.
You know what stops them? Putting them in fucking jail.
In the meantime, take some responsibility for yourself and keep your body out of harm's way.
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[–]Leopardcake 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Which is exactly why anti-rape and assault campaigns need to be targeted at woman rather than trying to force the idiotic "Don't be that guy!" campaigns. Women need to be taught that rape is not hiding around every corner in every man, but rather that the few, crazy people who DO rape will do it no matter what and are most likely repeat offenders. Sometimes the reason women don't report is because they are convinced by the man that it was a mistake and it won't happen again or the women are threatened, when in reality rape is almost never a "mistake" like that. They need to be encouraged to speak up because if they don't they are allowing others to become victims too. Additionally, women need to be taught not to put themselves in the dangerous situations that can expose them to the crazies who rape or assault. Unfortunately, feeling a little more afraid in day to day life is just what the generally "weaker" and smaller gender must face. That's just how the world is. So we have to make some efforts not to put ourselves in bad situations and to learn to defend ourselves.
[–]Leopardcake 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh, so women shouldn't be encouraged to report rape and assault? They shouldn't be taught to avoid potentially dangerous situations? It isn't logical and true that in nature those who are smaller and weaker are more likely to be targeted? While I agree that men (and really all people) need to be taught from an early age to respect everyone around them, those with mental issues and sociopathic tendencies etc. won't stop doing horrible things just because a poster is telling them "Don't rape, it's bad!"
Nonsense? Teaching women to protect themselves is nonsense? You're such a fucking genius.
You can't teach people who aren't inclined to rape not to rape, but you can teach potential victims how to avoid situations that can lead to rape or how to protect themselves in the event they're being attacked so that they can save themselves rather than be wallowing in their misery of "I wasn't able to fight him off at all."
But they also need to be taught that all men are not potential rapists. That's just crazy thinking and shameful to all of the men who wouldn't even think about raping someone because, in the west, rape is VERY frowned upon. Rapists are often the most hated in prisons; even the murderers despise them.
[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm hesitant to put much stock in "unreported cases." Where are getting those numbers?
[–]AwwYissMane -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These statistics don't invalidate a single thing I just said.
[–]Nicanooni 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, yes, yes! I was just saying this last night. Some men hurt other men, some men hurt women, some women hurt men and some women hurt other women, if you're an asshole you're gonna be an asshole no matter what your gender.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It takes a truly special person to turn a tragic shooting into something about themselves. People died, families are grieving, people are scared for their lives and some woman is whining about the right to expose her BRA STRAP! I. just. can't.
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He killed because he was mentally unstable. Anybody else just would've wallowed in their misery. His virgin status may have been the motive, but his mental instability is what ultimately caused him to kill those people.
[–]ejtnjin11 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
My thoughts exactly when I saw this ridiculous campaign. A tragedy has happened because of an individual's horrible actions and all feminists want to do is take advantage of the moment to climb on a soap box.
[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When I first saw the hashtag, I thought that it was going to be about periods and how to deal with them.
You could imagine my disappointment when I saw what it really was.
[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hahahah!
[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism and the idea behind the yesallwomen tweets supports equality for men and women.
How so?
As someone who has dealt with rape and extreme violence from a partner, I am also bothered by this campaign. No, not all women are afraid of being murdered every time they get into an elevator with a strange man. If you have that level of paranoia I hope you seek professional help (genuinely) because that is no way to live and I am sad for anyone who goes about their daily life with that level of paranoia.
Who exactly is this campaign meant to help? All I can think is that it's supposed to make men feel bad for us because of how scared we always are. After suffering the kind of abuse I have, I am horrified and deeply troubled by the trivialization of sexual assault caused by proponents of rape culture theory. It saddens me that men like my husband, my father, my brothers, my friends have to see these messages every day about how scary they are, and how they aren't to be trusted.
Rapists and murderers are horrible, horrible people, and deserve a special place in hell. It is unhealthy and plain wrong to be so careless about how much you throw around that "men do this" rather than "psychos do this." Let's talk about the warning signs of someone being dangerous and someone you should stay away from rather than constantly painting the picture that men in general could become violent rapists at any moment.
[–]drop_commentator 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I cannot stand people who victimize themselves. If you turn yourself into the victim, then someone has to be the bad guy--and if you're not really a victim of anything, you end up demonizing someone who's done nothing wrong to you. That's exactly what these girls are doing with this twitter campaign.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It'd be great if they wouldn't piss on all men who stepped in to say "Hey, this happens to men, too. It's not just a woman's issue."
Congratulations, you're ignoring the male victims when that happens, which makes you an awful person.
Just like the people who were talking about the shooting, ignoring that there were male victims as well. Everyone focused on the women and nothing else.
[–]rpkarma 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well if they'd stop accuse the entire set of males in the world of being murdering rapists, that'd be great. The entire twitter thing is a reaction to men saying "hey girls, seriously 99.99% of us aren't like that", and their twitter campaign is "uh you all are shitlords"
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes because rape and segregation are equally as easy to detect and stop. I've never seen a rape, or been near one knowing it was happening. Segregation was everywhere.
[–]sftsn2 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
oh i dont know thats sorta the reason those women also started the hashtag #NotAllMen?
NotAllMen came first, YesAllWomen is based off it
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[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Instead, when there is such an apparent problem in our society, what should be targeted is the root of said problem. In this case: how our society views and treats women.
You know that the vast majority of violent assault is perpetrated against men, right?
These issues are not unique to women, and frankly I'm sick and tired of hearing about how "well yeah, it happens to men too, but we're not talking about them right now. Can't you let women talk about an important issue they face for five minutes without reminding people that men have problems too?" Those five minutes are LONG PAST up.
I look forward to the day when everything isn't turned into a gendered issue. It makes me sad how much I've been conditioned to never consider a male perspective at all. When trying to explain to a man how he doesn't understand what it's like to know that any man, at any given time, could beat the shit out of you if they chose and you could do nothing to stop it, I was reminded that not all men are strong, and I spoke with several men who had been attacked before and have that same thought in the back of their mind every time they are in public. When I talked about inappropriate comments made toward me I spoke with several men who admitted to being harassed and beaten because their outfit was too "gay," or some version of uncool.
I think it's long past time we let the men speak and start talking about ending violence overall. The fact that no one gives a shit, and most people don't even know, that women are actually more likely (admittedly very slightly) to physically assault their partners is a symptom of campaigns like #yesallwomen and the many, many ones like it.
"Sexualization" is a bullshit issue. Once you're past the age of sexual maturity, you begin to be sexualized by anyone who wishes to view you in a sexual light. Congratulations, women's bodies happen to be hailed and pedestalized for being the most lovely to look at. We're the fairer sex. A lot of women love the attention and use it to their advantage. The only ones who complain so much about the sexualization are the ones who are nowhere near society's "standards." And I guarantee you, society's standards are not the woman on the magazine, who is heavily photoshopped. Society's standards focus on health and fitness.
And let's face it, sex sells, otherwise the porn industry wouldn't be so hot. You want to sell something to men or women? Put some attractive people in the ads. They'll instantly be more willing to buy, even if the product is completely dumb.
Ahem, besides that, why be feminist when you could be -gasp- humanist? All people suffer similar issues. Women's issues are no more important than those that men face, than those that children face. We need to stop this rocking back and forth between "women are always the victim!" and "I'm a strong independent woman!" because that's cognitive dissonance and is useless to this so-called "movement for equality."
In the west, we are as close as we can be to equal without trying to break down biological barriers between the sexes. Neither sex is superior to the other, or inferior to the other. We're complimentary. Men are generally better at some things while women are generally better at other things. Each side has its strengths and weaknesses. Until y'all learn to accept that fact, you're going to scream that the patriarchy is trying to hold you down when there is no goddamn "patriarchy" in the West.
You want to see women struggling and in need of help? Go to the Middle East. Look at how harsh Sharia is. Go to Africa. Look at the women in a real rape culture.
Rape culture in the West? That's prison. And guess who the majority of people in prison are? Men.
Feminism is so useless in the west, but y'all refuse to embrace that fact because you all think you need to have all of the privileges with none of the drawbacks. Hitting men whenever you want without getting attacked for it while if a man defends himself, he gets a title of woman-hater. The entire movement is a waste of everyone's time and is trying to destroy gender roles for no decent reason.
[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes, as a woman you learn to protect yourself, be aware of your surroundings, etc. However, that does not take away the fear and discomfort that, as a human being, we should not have to encounter so regularly.
Again, this isn't just a woman thing. Anyone can get assaulted or attacked or raped at any time. That's just the world we live in.
Instead, when there is such an apparent problem in our society, what should be targeted is the root of said problem. In this case: how our society views and treats women. Women are at fault to this too. We are not blaming every male. I am lucky to be surrounded by several males in my life who treat women as equals and respect us as fellow persons. The fault is in the emphasis placed on gender roles in our society, and the idea that women should succumb to ideals placed in a patriarchal culture.
Ah, the very elusive patriarchy is the culprit once again. I'm just going to say this, SOCIETY CODDLES WOMEN. Emphasis on gender roles!? We're in the middle of a wave of feminism for god's sake! Women are freakin' encouraged to ride the cock carousel and get a career instead of raising a family, women receive shorter jail sentences, women get free stuff and opportunities just for being good looking, there are laws that are tilted to a woman's favor, women can falsely accuse men and destroy lives/reputations with impunity, fat, lazy women are coddled and become "role models," women that abuse their spouses are seldom punished, women can divorce-rape a men for no good reason and still be celebrated, etc. I could go on, but basically, society, at least modern American society, coddles women.
I encourage you to read what many of the women are saying on the topic, and maybe you will gain some insight into how we truly are affected. Something as simple as wearing shorts during the summer, as one tweet stated: “Because I want to wear shorts this summer without having to worry about a man making an inappropriate comment. #YesAllWomen” Last summer I experienced harassment just because I was wearing shorts – and not “short-shorts” (though that shouldn’t matter). Walking in the streets I was yelled at, and, in one circumstance, had my thigh touched. No person is entitled to violate me in that way.
Trust me, I've read that shit. I used to be a feminist, so I know all the standard arguments. You know what an empowered woman would do if she gets cat-called on? She'd ignore it. It's just a comment, you have the option to ignore it. You are not being oppressed by the big bad patriarchy by cat-calls. You're a big girl, just ignore it or take it as a compliment.
I'm sorry that your thigh had to be touched, and it is true that no one is entitled to touch you, but again the world is full of assholes. As a woman, you have the privilege to complain about it and get sympathy, but imagine if a man complains that a woman grabbed his ass, he'd get laughed at and mocked!
No one is stopping you from wearing shorts, go ahead, heck I wear shorts too. However, it is naive to think that feminism will stop cat-calls. Men are visual creatures, and some outspoken ones like to compliment what they like seeing.
There are fraternities that do encourage this. Not everyone believes it to be “basic human decency”, though I am very glad to hear you do.
It still doesn't negate the fact that society as a whole discourages this behavior.
TL;DR As you tell women not to “victimize” themselves, you are referring to men, instead, as the victims here – negating your own advice. Rather than looking at #YesAllWomen as an attack on men, try to look at it as a voice of all persons on a topic that warrants discussion – especially after such a terrifying and tragic event that has taken place.
That's not what I meant. This is what victim mentality is:
Giving non-existent malicious intentions to other people ("You can't trust men!") Blaming everyone or everything else, instead of being introspective ( The patriarchy is oppressing me!") Self-absorbed ("Rape is a problem for women only!")
People can become victims but not have a victim mentality. This mentality shows when these women take these issues which affects both sexes and make it all about them. Now, add the fact that society coddles women, and you have a trending hashtag. If men said the same things, I doubt that people will give the same sympathy they gave these poor wimminz.
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Did you forget about prison rape? With prison rape included, men are actually more likely to be victims of rape or sexual assault than women. You know why it's often a "good" idea to rape or sexually assault a man? Nobody's going to listen to him or believe he was raped, especially if the attacker was female. Men are hailed as being more sexual, so they obviously want it every time someone tries to have sex with them.
[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hahahaha
Welcome to officially being an RPW, instead of a gift certificate in shoes you get your very own hate brigade fan club! :) Enjoy! It's how you know you've made good points.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay this is something a bit close to home for me.
Being a child/teenager/adult of abuse, I felt abuse at the hand of both a man and a woman.
When it comes down to it do I blame the male race thinking that he made her do it? HELL NO!
People are who they are! If they are a bad person they are going to do bad things. DONT BLAME the entire sex because of one persons actions. That person hurt you BLAME that person.
Ugh this feminism crap makes me so angry!
[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry to hear that you were abused, but good for you for not adopting a victim mentality. You're right, you can't blame the whole male/female race just because of a few bad eggs.
[–]HappySnowGirl 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Every time I feel sad because of some Lady Hate over on TRP, I'm going to think of those links. I can't imagine what it feels like to have that kind of contempt thrown at you just because of your gender. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Because, sure, the reason a very tiny miniscule percentage men rape women or rufie drinks is because they just were never told not to during college orientation. Yup, that sounds right.
[–]gabilromariz 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just pictured a freshman facepalming and going: "so THAT'S why they keep screaming and calling the cops. Girls DON'T like being raped. It's all so clear now"
[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor[S] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"My mother taught me that rape was okay, but thanks to this memo I got from Feminists R' Us, I now realize that rape is bad. Thanks, feminists!"
[–]gabilromariz 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That sure did save me a lot of embarrassment later tonight!
God damn it, when will these people see the kind of people twisted enough to rape aren't listening? We're just alienating the good men away!
[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Perfect.
[–]thechuff 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You made a hugely important point here:
Respect for women is important, yes, but what about for men? Is respecting men something feminists care about? Or would even fathom?
It's probably the last thing on their minds, but it's important for the exact same reason that respecting women is important.
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[–]thechuff 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're obfuscating, and in an important way.
"Everyday misogyny" is not characterized by BEATINGS and VIOLENT, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
The hashtag #YesAllWomen is actually a response to #NotAllMen, and users of the former routinely mock the latter.
[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wowwww, yeah, if #yesallwomen was meant to highlight "everyday misogyny" the majority of women I've seen using it didn't get the memo.
[–]thechuff 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cases in point: "This one time I..." "My friend once..." "A guy did this..."
A strange form of selection bias, leaving out the greengrocer, their non-offending family members, the men driving cars all around them each day, their fellow train passengers... Basically all the men in their lives with one biased exception
[–]tryanotherJuanEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The people behind #yesallwomen are also apparently against reading sidebars before they post on this sub.
Just like they are annoyed by unwelcome cat calls, I am annoyed by their screeching rants invading a space to discuss RP topics.
[–]yoregrammersux 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The #YesAllWomen crowd has totally missed the point
www.youtube.com/watch?v=37v3GOqkIo8
the moral preening surrounding tragedy has become intolerable
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