Gentlemen,

I finally had the time to listen to the Joe Rogan Podcast with Dr Jordan Peterson.  They were talking about so many fascinating topics it was a challenge to keep up at times.  And I know that I'll listen to it again to absorb it all.  

One of the things that I wanted to bring up for discussion here was something that they flirted with but didn't specifically talk about.  They talked about how it surprised Dr. Peterson that a majority of his audience online and in person at his talks are men. How the take on the search for truth and meaning is something that makes them sit up more and resonates with men more so than woman.

It seems to me that what they were flirting with is part of the problem in our culture or society, that men lack a distinct 'Rite of Passage'.  Some form of personal struggle, challenge, initiation, and ceremony that marks the transition from childhood to adulthood.  Overcoming the challenge builds character and is satisfying. That sets men up for overcoming the struggles in our life's and helps satisfy our existence. Dr Peterson was talking about truth, the search for meaning, finding your own highest ideals, etc is part of what would have been in an adolescents rite of passage.  That the initiation after passing the challenge would have been part of a "here's what you need to know to become a man" theme.  I know that not every culture has or had a rite of passage, that to an extent its a literary or psychological ideal more than a practiced tradition.  I feel like that's partly because our life's lack the struggles that humans had in their lives up to about 100 years ago.

I feel like this is a central part of MRP, finding and swallowing the pill, understanding yourself, and your relationships. That the M.A.P. is necessary for men, that we need to set goals and work steadily to achieve them to make ourselves into better men.  For many of us, MRP is the kick in the ass that we need to change our views from the covert contracts of adolescent entitlement to bearing the responsibility of manhood and becoming the Captain of our ship.  That swallowing and internalizing the Pill is a psychological rite of passage. 

I have a five year old son and he's a damn good kid, smart, polite, funny, active.  Like most every father, I worry about him and what his place will be in the world as he gets older.   The best advice from MRP & RPFatherhood for fathers is to be the example they want their son's to follow.  I do my best and have talks with him about how to handle the shit tests from his little sister, and mom. How to handle situations at school, etc.  Even with my example for him and some of the books and materials from the sidebar, I worry. I know that My life would be very different if I had found the pill when I was younger and wonder if there's a way to help more and instill a sense of the alpha's irrational confidence in him.

So my point for the post. Is a Rite of Passage important today? Is some symbolic​ Rite needed for men today.  Would having some form of a Rite benefit adolescent men?  Did you have some form of a Rite of Passage in your youth and what was it?  What was the equivalent to "someone fired a starting pistol letting you know that Life just started, so GO". 

I don't necessarily mean going out in the wild with a knife, your witt, the clothes on your back, and surviving for a week. Maybe it was hunting, joining the military, or handling some emergency. Do any other of the dad's here have a Rite of Passage planned for their sons? 

I decided to post this here because redpillfatherhood doesn't see much action. I know it doesn't truly fit the main purpose of the sub's married sexual strategy. However, many married men, or men in LTRs have sons and raising them to be good men aware of the feminist agenda is a priority. I'll remove it or the mods can if it's​ too far outside the guidelines of the sub.

Lastly, I have a daughter, but it doesn't seem that girls need a Rite of Passage. Starting their menstrual cycle typically signals their passage into womanhood.   As a man though I don't have perspective on a woman's need for a Rite of Passage.  Being the example of a good man for her to use as a benchmark when dating is about the best I can do.

Thank you gentlemen.