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[–]blushinglillyMarried 5 ys, Early 30s15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm with Camille11325 on this one, I think the article has a lot of good points. I don't think the author is saying that women shouldn't work or be financially independent. I think what she is saying is that women are not taught to be part of a partnership and even to view that partnership as hostile.
I think modern girls are taught some very confused and unhelpful ideas about life. I know I was. I got almost no advice about relationships and what I did get was mostly useless.
When I was growing up all everyone ever spoke to me about was my education. I was encouraged to follow higher education with no real plan about how that was going to pay off in terms of a job, even though doing this meant I would get myself into debt. It was just assumed that because I was bright enough to pass exams that I should be ambitious and pursue a high flying career. Even though I had no idea what I wanted to do.
I think this would have been fine if I had been an ambitious person or if I'd had a vocation. I think being encouraged into education is great for people who have that, but it's not always a good choice for people who don't have that.
Nobody talked to me about my future in terms of what might actually make me happy, or about how my choices might affect my ability to raise a family. Nobody talked to me about how to find a partner, how to vet a potential husband. This was a crazy imbalance considering that having a family and get married are key factors in future happiness for many people.
So even for young girls who do have a vocation, they are not well served by our current system as their needs for guidance on having a family etc are not met either. So it fails both groups.
So this is why you see women in their 20s and 30s stuck in relationships that make them unhappy with men who won't commit. Women aren't taught to vet or how to articulate their needs. We still get women behaving like Jane Austen characters, waiting on a proposal completely passively even though the culture in which that system worked has entirely broken down.
Even if you do manage to navigate all of this and find yourself in a loving relationship, you are unlikely to have been given the skills to maintain it. The idea enforced by the media is that all men are useless, husbands are like additional children and are just a burden on you. Your husband should do exactly what you tell him to do and if he doesn't he should be punished. If you do something he doesn't want you to do however, you should be praised and he should stop oppressing you. If this makes you unhappy (and it probably will as you won't respect him anymore and he is probably resentful) you should leave because you deserve to be happy and nothing that went wrong in the marriage was your fault, he just wasn't man enough or it wasn't true love.
So instead of being taught how to be a good partner and how to nurture your marriage for your own good as well as that of your husband's, you end up crashing from one relationship to the next, feeling pretty unhappy deep down.
[–]Rivkariver12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow. Are you me? All I ever heard was about education, that I'm smart and all that. Constant pressure. A belief that higher education will lead me to a better man. Assumptions that I have regular career ambitions.
No one ever even told me I might seek a man except my grandmothers. Like my parent acted like romance did not exist. Didn't help they were divorced.
I honestly have a chip on my shoulder about being born in this time because I wish it was a time where I had been taught properly how to seek a husband and be a good homemaker. Feminism has been proven to make women unhappier.
[–]Ignored0ne1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think its an interesting ideology. Equality is an interesting ideology and should be given its due respect. It has some useful governing features.
But that's the thing with ideologies. They're ideas, they're concepts, and don't necessarily have to connect with reality. Feminism is much like that, its an ideology that has become extremely forced into reality, even when it fails empirically.
I mean, its not like everything about Orthodox Christianity has proved completely and absolutely ideal after 1500 years, why would a French idea be absolutely true 300 years later? Don't we have empirical evidence to know better now?
[–]Camille11325[S] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes thank you, agreed completely :)
[–]BellaScarletta2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THANK YOU!!!!
[–]NittanyLioness8432, Engaged/LTR 3yrs14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link
I grew up really poor to a single mother/absent father and escaping poverty and becoming financially independent were highest on my hierarchy of needs.
I am happy there is encouragement for women to become independent, because we live in a society that features unreliable parents and an insufficient number of masculine men willing to commit and provide. This is just my opinion. I am envious of women who are taken care of by their parents and are able to go from a loving father to a good man seamlessly when they are young.
[–]teaandtalk29, married 6 years, together 87 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I agree - I make sure that I have the skills to survive if I were, god forbid, to lose my husband. Society doesn't value marriage enough, and I worry for women who put all their eggs in one basket (marriage), and then are left by their husbands at a post-Wall age and have no skills to fall back upon. My aunt, who is gorgeous and kind and feminine, has been single for twenty years after her marriage broke up (for understandable reasons). If she didn't have a skilled trade, she would be poor as well as alone.
[–]Camille11325[S] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think that this article or anyone on the sub advocates that women don't do anything to develop themselves. I'm not sure if you're aware of the connotations that "independence" has when feminists advocate for it. Should women be able to pay all of their bills? Absolutely. But there is a question of priorities and values, and mindset. The lifestyle that is encouraged in the mainstream causes women to not even have many of the skills necessary for a successful marriage.
You worry about women who "put all their eggs in one basket" but so many women are running away from any sort of risk when it comes to relationships. And this only leads to more unhappiness. Vulnerability is essential, trust is essential. And if a woman develops wife skills she will a) be less likely to have her man leave him and b) be positioned to remarry in a way that women who solely focused on work skills aren't.
[–]BellaScarletta2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I did not in the slightest interpret the article as encouraging women to "put all their eggs in the basket of marriage"; rather, it's cautioning against putting all your eggs in every basket except marriage - which is disturbingly common.
Additionally, if you strive to be a woman of quality and value, you shouldn't personally concern yourself with society "not valuing marriage enough". You are not marrying society, you are marrying your partner. If you are not certain about his marriage values...mistakes have been made.
Being able to fundamentally care for yourself, as well as having an education, are not mutually inclusive of feminism nor are they mutually exclusive of RPW. Many women here are highly educated and professionally successful, but they do not suffer from "Relationships not working. Priorities out of wack. Lack of balance. Workaholism. Unhappiness. Frazzled. Families falling apart. Dysfunction. Depression. Anxiety. Confusion. Etc." which was the point of the article, and I fear was missed by many people commenting on this thread.
[–]teaandtalk29, married 6 years, together 82 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks for your reply, that clarified things for me a bit. And you're absolutely right - if you vet your partner properly, then there's no reason to care about society's devaluation of marriage - it's not something that concerns me about my own relationship, but looking around at friends and family, it is a big worry. I know too many young women (and older ones) who pin all their hopes on one man, who isn't necessarily marriage material.
To be clear, I'm not advocating the having of skills and being financially stable as being feminist things or not RPW things. I was just replying to the comment above. Sounds like I might have gotten a bit confused in my message.
[–]BellaScarletta0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate the reply (:
I think it's common for people to perceive an intonation - from media of many varieties - that isn't necessarily there; this may be due to personal biases, commonly pedaled mantras, or many other variables.
One of the things I love most about this sub is our willingness to challenge these things, whether it's just our own reactions or a commonly-held belief in societ. It's even better when we can answer why we have the reactions we do.
I definitely agree with people pinning all their hopes on one man - it's a mistake made by many with devastating consequences. I love this sub because it pushes people to be intentional in their actions and dating to avoid less-than-ideal outcomes (:
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am happy there is encouragement for women to become independent, because we live in a society that features unreliable parents and an insufficient number of masculine men willing to commit and provide.
I agree that there are more unreliable parents and less masculine men. I agree that women should be able to provide for themselves and not rely on a man. What I think is hard is figuring out how to provide for yourself alone and how to provide for a team together. There's always a bit of truth in the absurd rules western feminists tout. Sure, you should be self-sufficient and dependable and capable alone and you should use that energy and wisdom as a team when you have a partner.
[–]Camille11325[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can have a steady income and even be financially independent without subscribing to the rest of feminist ideas and values. I don't think the two go hand in hand and I felt that the article does a good job pointing out a lot of the ways that women are conditioned to accept 100% of feminist and BP worldview instead of picking out the truths and ignoring the rest.
Another example of this would be the idea that believing that women should receive education or the right to vote automatically makes you a feminist. It is entirely possible to believe in both without being a feminist, there are hundreds if not thousands of ideologies and political positions. Feminism does not have a monopoly on the idea of equal application of the law to both genders, just like it doesn't have a monopoly on the idea of women being able to financially support themselves.
But we should also question what it means to be independent, and what values and skills we are passing on to our daughters and encouraging in our peers. Aren't we hurting women when we act like the only alternative to being financially vulnerable is being a career focused woman who doesn't value marriage or men? Aren't we hurting women when being financially vulnerable and/or dependent on someone else is looked down upon? That is certainly a perspective that can be scrutinized.
[–]Ignored0ne1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
From my perspective, there's an insufficient number of women who are willing to trust men and be feminine. Perhaps there's some error in sorting and meeting. I know for certain that I grew up with parents that encouraged me to focus on my career because then I could focus on dating; they were very traditional and expected the world would also be such.
I ended up being alone for far longer than I would have liked, and do believe that at least part of my bitterness is that I tried to participate in a system which had abruptly stopped for something much less beautiful. I ultimately did find happiness, but can absolutely say that feminism significantly harmed my life.
[–]BellaScarletta1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't agree with your interpretation of the article at all. Nowhere does she suggest women shouldn't know how to provide for themselves - even her dream example of her babysitter could suffer the tragic loss of her husband...then what?
This article is far more addressing the misplaced priorities of modern women - there is a massive difference between "know how to fundamentally provide for yourself" and "Relationships not working. Priorities out of wack. Lack of balance. Workaholism. Unhappiness. Frazzled. Families falling apart. Dysfunction. Depression. Anxiety. Confusion. Etc.".
The latter is disturbingly common and this is not only the point of the article, but a staple of even the most superficial understanding of RP.
[–]--cunt0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Yeah this 'article' feels a bit naive to me. "Golly gee, couples are so much happier when one person makes enough money to support the whole family! If everyone did that, then women would be so stressed out from working like a man!" Like yeah... probably. Utopia indeed if every boy fresh out of high school could get a factory job and buy a house and support his nuclear family on that income. Stupid blue pill women - just do that duh! /s
[–]Camille11325[S] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's not naive it's examining the issue and asking us to reconsider ideas that are taken for granted in mainstream society. Looking at how things are vs. how things used to be vs. how things could be is important. When you look at what actually makes the majority of women happy, and what actually makes the majority of men happy it is clear that the feminist narrative is wrong. The values we instill in people today push them along paths that aren't fulfilling. And the effects aren't just on the individual level, our entire economy and culture has shifted to the point for many people it is near impossible to turn things around and adhere to a more traditional lifestyle. The distance between what people innately want to do and what we are conditioned to want to do is something worth discussing.
[–]--cunt0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree completely, but at this point for many women in becomes an issue less of "what they are conditioned to do," vs "what they have to do." Yeah, I think most women would be happier if their husbands could be the breadwinners and they could focus on the marriage, children and domestic pursuits. (Not every woman.. but most, I would say.) Unfortunately most men and women can't survive on one income alone, which is why I say it's a bit naive to look at things and say "Huh... why did we stop surviving on one paycheck alone?? Oh yeah feminism! Damn them blue pillers!!!" It's a bit more nuanced than that. I hate the attitude of encouraging women to be "independent bossy bitches," because it's completely off-putting. But I do think we should continue to encourage women to work hard and get ahead career-wise because most women need to today.
[–]Camille11325[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Focusing on one aspect of an issue isn't the same as being naive or ignoring nuance. The author has hundreds of blog posts where she explores everything related to RP, antifeminism, relationships, and culture. She doesn't need to have every post bring up every possible argument and counter argument. She just wanted to zoom in on a specific thought that interested her. You've repeatedly characterised her and our community as oblivious and shallow and this is your first and only official warning to stop.
I viewed this post more as a rumination on a modern issue and not a specific, actionable plan that everyone should act on immediately. And the very fact that some of the ideas can't be easily implemented is part of the discussion. Feminism pushed for women to join the male workforce, which had a huge impact on the economy and on the lifestyles people expected now that they had more money coming in. It is actually entirely possible to live on one income BUT you won't have the same lifestyle as your peers. That being said, on RPW we aren't anti women having jobs. There is a difference between bringing in money and being a career woman.
This post is relevant because it looks at one of the ways that the system perpetuates itself. Even women who prefer more traditional roles and/or dynamics encourage their daughters and peers to have the attitudes and skills that are necessary to advance along the feminist path. The time that women spend focusing on being a great student and employee could be used to develop other skills. So many women are unprepared to be wives and mothers. And so many women don't think about other possibilities that would allow them to have money while also being available for their men.
On the individual level it is 100% possible that parents who are aware of how bad feminism is could refuse to indoctrinate their children and encourage them to seek out a more fulfilling path. Who cares if these ideas can't be implemented simultaneously and en masse? That isn't a very good way to judge an idea or a blog post.
[–]--cunt1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not at all trivializing this community (which I read religiously, but have only begun to comment and participate in!) or that blog which I'm not at all familiar with. I'm not saying that RPW is shallow at all, just that the article seemed that way, as in it was lacking well-articulated ideas like the points you made.
[–]Camille11325[S] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe it wasn't your intention but your word choice and tone definitely made it seem like you were mocking us. Be more mindful of this in the future please! I'm glad you're just now participating in the sub, personally I lurked for half a year before posting and then another 6 months before making an original submission lol When we hit 2,000 subs we're going to have another general chat/intro thread so be sure to participate in that. Also you may be interested in our IRC room we have more in depth discussions and debates!
[–]teaandtalk29, married 6 years, together 83 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think the point of the article is less that "couples are so much happier when one person makes enough money to support the whole family", and more that the paradigm shift that encourages women to function the same way as men, by being aggressive and career focused, is setting them up for failure (because that goes contrary to most women's natures).
[–]Camille11325[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes exactly!
[–]BellaScarletta2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This seems like a very willfully cynical interpretation of what the author stated. I didn't take away what you are suggesting in the slightest.
The article is not AT ALL saying the recipe to a happy life is be ignorant to how to provide for yourself and be economically well-off as to find a breadwinning husband and - tada, a happy marriage you shall have!
However it is addressing the disturbingly common occurances of women who devalue the fulfillment a relationship offers and even encourages hostility toward the concept of relying on your partner in the slightest. Please read /u/blushinglilly on her interpretation as it is by far the most in-line with the message being conveyed....which is, even superficially the most basic of all RP messages.
[–]Ignored0ne0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, its still possible but I acknowledge the economy has changed. I've managed it relatively well myself as the sole breadwinner and though my income is higher than normal, I should note that my wife being at home saves us a lot of money as well. I think its easy to underestimate the importance of what is called the domestic economy.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This article isn't saying that women shouldn't work. It's saying that women are ill-prepared for relationships because they're taught to distrust men and to live their lives in fear. Blushinglily's comment about this is so good!
Still, the article kind of skates over the fact that men DO leave women, and don't always comply with child support laws -- this happened to my own mother, and she was in a very tight spot as she had been a SAHM until then. I grew up knowing a lot of families in this predicament, not because I sought them out, but because the kids went to school with me. The men in these families weren't bad people, they were themselves ill-prepared for family life and struggled to make enough money to support two households.
It's hard to reconcile this with the need to be trusting and vulnerable as a woman.
So I guess what I mean is, I see this as a wider social issue. Our society doesn't value marriage, and family, as much as it values work and personal fulfilment. So a lot of men and women end up restless, always looking for a change, and always armoring themselves because they don't trust each other. We are all being set up to fail, I guess.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is what stood out to me
My theory is that this is the blue pill version for females. Men were sold the “Be nicer. Be more sensitive. Be more like a woman,” line at the same time women were being told, “Be tough, be outspoken, be more like a man.”
We fail when we forget what gender we are. We fail when we try to relate to men as men instead of as women. We can make all the money, we can even bring home the bacon. But in the end we are women are we are DIFFERENT than men. Red pilling is about embracing and honoring those difference. It's not about sitting back, putting our feet up, and saying I have a husband I don't have to work now. It's about knowing we have a crucial role in the relationship that just happens to be different than his role. Embrace the womanhood, the femininity, because feminine guys suck.
I'd like to present an example of a red pill marriage where the woman is kick ass boss at work. /u/thefamilyalpha and his wife (she's on twitter) are a wonderful example of a male female dynamic outside of the traditional SAHM route. His wife is boss at work, just not at home. She is actually working to advance her career at this time. She's a freaking rockstar raising 2 kids. And OMG sometimes he actually cooks dinner (shocked right?).
Nothing about being a redpill wife says you have to give up your finances or job (as many comments here seem to be getting stuck on) BUT there needs to be a feminine/masculine dynamic in the home for a successful marriage! That's RP.
[–]Camille11325[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But in the end we are women are we are DIFFERENT than men. Red pilling is about embracing and honoring those difference. It's not about sitting back, putting our feet up, and saying I have a husband I don't have to work now. It's about knowing we have a crucial role in the relationship that just happens to be different than his role. Embrace the womanhood, the femininity, because feminine guys suck.
Exactly! And when you spend so much time focusing on how to be more like men, you are NOT developing the feminine skills that would be very useful in a marriage. And that only makes it more likely that your marriage will fail and then you WILL need all those male skills you honed.
Right!!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk.... I want to believe it. There's a certain allure to the notion a simpler more traditional life brings more happiness. But it hasn't been the case for me. In fact, I've never felt more unfilled than the last 5 years I've spent as a stay at home mother and homemaker. Why is that? Is it really how I feel or is it just societal pressures that infect my thoughts and won't allow me to feel content with such a life? Im not sure. Sometimes the social changes brought on by feminism feel an awful lot like opening Pandora's box.
I do agree that as a whole, priorities are out of order these days. There's way too much emphasis across the board on material gains and not enough on enjoying all the experiences living has to offer. But that's a discussion for another time.
I had been raised to fail, thank goodness I worked it out when I was young , well 20 :) Much to the disgust (and still 14 years later) of my mother.
[–]dottywine points points points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah. Disagree with the article. I am glad women are encouraged to be financially independent. Dependency on someone else to be able to live led to domestic abuse and increased divorce rates. It's not the best path for everyone to decide marrying a man will be her financial plan. And being able to take care of yourself is not trying to be a man.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
In response to your reply that had to be removed:
Abusive situation? What are you talking about? There is zero to do with whatever sideline you are drawing.
I suggest you read our sidebar yourself.
I don't know how women being able to take care of themselves financially when they are single is anti-RP...
It isn't. Most everyone here is saying just that. But you said something different. You said this:
Dependency on someone else to be able to live led to domestic abuse and increased divorce rates. It's not the best path for everyone to decide marrying a man will be her financial plan.
Seems to me like you have a story that involves "abuse" and divorce and you are spinning your own situation into this.
AND - no fault divorce led to women divorcing their husbands for any number of reasons to the point it became easy to fabricate abuse and take a man's kids and hold his wallet hostage.
[–]dottywine-3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The abusive situation I am talking about are stories from women who are relevant to "culture of 50's and 60s" and "where I come from". I figured that was implied. It's also not what the discussion is about so I did not detail it.
"dependency on someone else" = not being able to financially take care of yourself. Needing to rely on someone else for money to live is not in the RPW sidebar. There are very RP women here who work full time jobs.
I am not saying that being dependent on someone else ALWAYS leads to abuse. I was just throwing in my two cents.
I'm not interested in debating about who and who did not fabricate abuse to get a divorce. I think this is besides the point. My comment, as a whole, is disagreeing with the article posted. Going into a rant about abuse being real or not real is something else and I don't understand why you're focusing on that, but okay.
So I'll just say this in direct response to the article instead of being very casual as I was before because it obviously has triggered something for some of us...
I disagree with this article. I think bad parenting, media promoting inappropriate relationships and inability to take responsibility for your mental state, desires and life choices is to blame for young women having difficulty with relationships. I do not think women are "trying" to be men and I do not think having a career is to blame.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You're the one that brought up domestic abuse and then refused to discuss what you meant.
I'm focusing on it because it's largely a bullshit statement and one that, particularly in RPWi, we are tired of hearing. You can pretty much bet that statements like this that paint men as abusive and women as victimized wives won't fly here. Especially when you can't further explain, document, or even stick with what you originally said!
I don't refuse to discuss what I meant. I DID, indeed, discuss what I meant. You're now changing to topic which is fine, but let's do it in a different thread, perhaps. I am happy to explain and "document" what I originally said, but not interested in hi-jacking this thread to do it. So please, just create another one for us :)
I think also you need to speak for yourself, and not for the entire RPW. I'm a member of this place and I don't agree with you, so you certainly don't speak for me.
I'm sorry that my statement triggered you and that you felt I was painting men as abusive. Feel better now?
[–]Camille11325[S,M] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This tone is not necessary. You can have a disagreement with someone without resorting to passive aggressive remarks. Your ideas are at odds with the subreddit and anyone has the right to question what you are saying. If you want to discuss and defend your position you must do so respectfully.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You are new and I am not. You are out of line and incorrect and instead of just listening and considering you got a bad attitude and are now not only being shitty to endorsed contributors but also to mods.
You aren't acting like a member and the words and ideas you are presenting are not in line with this sub. Chill out.
Thanks, mom :)
I'm curious why you are here on this sub? You have done more arguing and rudeness than observation and learning. Why are you here? What do you hope to learn? What do you think of the content on the sidebar? How can you benefit this community?
I'd hate to see a genuinely interested woman get banned or blocked over something that could easily be put to rest. Is it more important for you to have the last word or is it more important to be a good fiance/wife to your man?
I get that you didn't like to be questioned and it may have been upsetting to be put on the spot by me or others but your contribution to this discussion really missed the mark. You did not quite get the topic and intent of this post and when corrected you didn't seem interested in expanding your own knowledge with what is offered in this sub.
I hope you can take a minute to decide if you want to participate here and how you want to be received by others in this community.
[–]Camille11325[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Your comment shows a complete ignorance of US history and the fact that you are trying to minimize feminist ideas so that it's just about "trying to take care of yourself" makes it clear that you don't understand feminism either. Please read the rest of the comments in this thread to get a better understanding of what the article was getting at.
Oh, so you're the expert on feminism now. Good to know.
[–]Camille11325[S,M] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your claim that "dependency on someone else to be able to live led to domestic abuse and increased divorce rates." is not an accurate representation of the female experience throughout US history. It is also not an accurate description of what the overwhelming majority of SAHMs and part time workers who are dependent on their husbands experience. To me it is clear that you are missing the actual point of the article, and as I said before, there are several fabulous comments that explain the message further.
If you sincerely think that anyone here is opposed to women taking care of themselves or earning money you are mistaken. Please stop making up strawmen and lose the attitude in general.
This article is in no way about making a man your financial plan. The point of this discussion is to talk about how ideas like the ones you stated have harmed women (and men) in their relationships in regards to happiness and respect. Many women are in fact trying to take care of themselves as if they were men - by emulating men.
Please provide something that supports your claim that dependency on men led to domestic abuse and increased divorce rates. I'm calling bullshit.
Your statements reek of feminism, and couldn't be further from RP or the ideals of this sub.
I'm referring to the increase of divorce after US made divorce easier to access around 60s and 70s era. Considering the domestic culture of the 50s and 60s and women's increased ability to fund themselves, I rationalize that they felt liberated and no longer needed to stay in an abusive situation. This is just my opinion. Call BS if you want, doesn't hurt my feelings. If you are really interested you will look into it, as well.
I don't think statements like mine have harmed women in relationships. Where I come from, statements like mine allow women to leave abusive men and enter a relationship with a good one. And allows women to raise their children in a safe home environment. So I disagree with the article and you.
I don't know how women being able to take care of themselves financially when they are single is anti-RP... I'd love to see that somewhere. Is it on the side bar or something? Hmm...
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