My assumptions/self image are preventing me from going for hot women (9's and higher) even though objectively they are in my league, how do I stop being so self-defeating? Is there even a league or is this idea a defeating blue-pill idea?

lolis-are-so-cute · 2020-09-13T03:18:31+00:00

I got rid of this by stopping the labeling of girls on a scale from 1-10. It takes a while to get rid of this mentality and it takes even longer for you to see a girl who is VERY attractive and think you can get with her - but, this is my scale.

0: No interest whatsoever

1: Would fuck/hang out (FWB)

2: Would LTR

Looks decides whether I'm interested in her in the first place. Personality/her past/my connection with her - are what decides whether I'll want to LTR her.

319Skew · 2020-09-13T14:46:19+00:00

I don't believe in leagues. Your 8 can be someone's 10. She can see herself as a HB 9 but look like a HB 7. She can be a HB 10 but next to an attractive HVM, she can feel like an average bitch.

I also don't believe in 10s as a woman isn't perfect. She has flaws and in my experience the more hot she is the less of a personality she has or the bigger her N count and emotional baggage.

I have hooked up with women who "are out of my league" and were previously with guys more loaded, better looking or more masculine.

That said there are barriers. Typically, you can't be 5ft, living with your mother, fat with no social skill, go out and pick up Kate Upton.

Internally, I give all approaches 1% chance to succeed. Each box that I tick helps that along. I work on myself so that I'm the best value I can be and use game to get her guard down.

Remember, she doesn't know you and you don't know her. She can have a padded bra, bad breath, look good from far, bad in bed or just other annoying attributes. Just like you could be fun, living in a mansion with 4 hotter women than her.

To her, you could be like James Bond but you open your mouth and ruin in that.

So, keep improving your life. Learn better game. Don't put women on bullshit pedestals. Learn that hot HB9.5 can reject you today and hook up with you tomorrow and accept that HB9.5 can turn to a HB 7 after you fuck.

Meloxian · 2020-09-13T15:51:45+00:00

There's no objective SMV league dude, it's all subjective. It's like a diamond - diamonds have no inherent value, its a fucking rock, but because people believe it's valueable they spend six months salary to buy it attatched to a gold band (which also has no objective value), and they attatch their balls to it which is a different story. Point is - percieve yourself as high value and you are high value.
Stop with the idea of leagues at all. You're not objecivley high value, you're high value because you believe you're high value. That's all. The reason is because - to put it simply, if you think leagues exist you're going to think there are people above you - "objectivley" whether by looks, money whatever because you're going to latch on to some standard of measurement, and are going to compare yourself to others. Bad Idea - nobody is perfect in every area, so you'll feel inadequite.
Don't rate her as a 9/10 Ask yourself does she measure up to your standards? What are her flaws? etc. Sure she may be physically attractive but that's something she couldn't control so don't freak yourself out that shes hot. Look also at the things in her life she can actually control - does she make good choices, is she feminine etc.
Don't beat yourself up too much, you're going to die. This one loss doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, so go have another.
Cheers mate.

____Weabooo_V2 · 2020-09-13T03:22:13+00:00

Yeh I understand what u mean, I suffer from this mentality too. What you gotta understand it stop putting these women on top of a pedalstal and realise that they are just human too and no different than all the other girls. Only thing that’s different is that they are physically hotter

e39boy · 2020-09-13T06:22:02+00:00

If you don't perceive yourself as high league (be realistic and it sounds like you have been), why would any person have reason to perceive you as high league?

Project_Zero_Betas · 2020-09-13T18:39:03+00:00

If you do partake in “league theory,” then 9s and 10s are models/actresses/whathaveyou. I think youre overestimating utilities here, which is causing a discrepancy in price discovery.

rprookie · 2020-09-13T12:23:24+00:00

I didn’t read but to answer your main question, there is no league. having on is just putting pussy on the pedestal

checkthingsout · 2020-09-13T21:37:39+00:00

If you don’t see covert languages and signals of women that would make your SMV lower because DNA of conquers include social intelligence. But your upbringing could be surpassing your potential in this area. It could be trained

cunningcaring · 2020-09-13T21:40:03+00:00

Dude, a woman being a 10 does make her a good fuck or a good companion.

BigBoyTouche2799 · 2020-09-14T08:42:31+00:00

I think the only league that matters is the self-awareness and personality league when it comes to women judging men. (At least in person). Also, if you’re as hot as you think you are then guess what, go on Tinder and get matches left and right then go bang them and they’ll realize you’re a dork after the fact.