Did any of you start out as genuinely nice guys and then become more cutthroat and aggressive? Did any of you start out as religious but lost faith?

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IllimitableMan · 2014-09-23T13:29:33+00:00

Be a bully to bullies.

Respect MEN

Cold and calculating with women

Position5hero · 2014-09-23T16:15:38+00:00

I used to be a nice guy. Until I was 6. On my birthday, I got like a $4 wallmart toy car (growing up poor is fun). I gave it to my friend, Sally, because she didn't have any toys at all and I felt bad for her, and I had a few, and we spent most of the days in class together anyways, so I assumed I would still get to play with it.

The next day I saw her playing with my toy with another guy, who was my best friend in the class.

Got red pilled pretty fucking hard.

Sylxian · 2014-09-23T15:13:13+00:00

I use to be the romantic, nice guy until what I thought was the love of my life fucked that up forevermore. I'm still a pretty all right guy, but now I just don't go out of my way like I use to. I'll stop on the side of the road to help strangers with their car troubles, if a friend needs help with something I'll schedule a time, and I have a positive demeanor at work. However, the more I personally know someone, the less they will get from me without equal exchange. Old me would drop whatever I was doing to go assist someone with no expectation of returned favor. Not anymore. Now I truly know the value of my time, skill, and effort; those will never be squandered again.

You can still be a cool guy. Just don't be a "Yes Man". Know your value, and be fair to yourself and others with yourself.

1248goal · 2014-09-23T15:20:03+00:00

Thanks to faith and societal BP teachings I missed out on slaying so much virgin pussy in HS and I am forever resentful. Even the priest got defrocked for fucking just-of-age girls, more action that I was getting. I was in perfect shape, only athlete at the very top of the class, very good looking, enigmatic, threatening to most people even teachers. Hot upperclassmen asked me to skip school to go with them home. Younger girls would come to the orchestra room even though they weren't in orchestra to ask to be my valentines and tell me "I'm clean..." But I was a pussy who couldn't say all that needed to be said. "Wanna fuck"

Now I'm effective at getting whoever I want, but the wound will always be there.

TRPsubmitter · 2014-09-23T13:59:38+00:00

My religious -> atheism journey is what led me to TRP.

I think it's necessary to reject the idea that all people deserve compassion in order to truly swallow TRP. Because TRP involves amoral sexual strategy. By definition, religion has rules/hierarchies, and that restricts what you can do and how you live. In TRP, you only have an obligation to yourself. In religion, you have obligations to supplicate others/authorities.

Further, being non religious opened my eyes to the reality of the world: it's also amoral. Nothing is good or evil. It's all a viewpoint; what one group calls evil the other calls good. What's good for me is bad for you. But I'm going to do what's good for me no matter what. You can and should do what's good for you. And let's see what happens. And whatever happens, accept it.

I don't see how you can believe that certain people have inalienable qualities (religion; jews are god's chosen people; the meek shall inherit the earth; seriously wtf? Fuck the meek) and still be redpill.

This is just my take though.

AlienSunrise · 2014-09-25T04:29:20+00:00

I was insanely nice. I was the guy everyone said was too nice. Luckily (not bragging, so let's not all jump down my throat) I'm very handsome. So I did ok with girls. But i noticed that the friend zone is a real place, and girls will keep you there even harder if you look good, seeing as emotional validation and all the free favors in the world are very satisfying from a good looking guy when you don't have to work for it. I noticed all these hot girls fucking all the dudes who I thought were mean assholes. My older brother was like my opposite, not nice to girls, never white knighted, just overall alpha. He got laid constantly, by the hottest fucking girls. One day he told.me "the worse you treat a girl, the better they treat you". By the time I was about 17 or 18 I started using his very RP behaviors. I went from the cute nice guy who makes girls feel good and special, to the ripped handsome dude who's fucking multiple girls at parties with, seemingly, no effort. I'm not an asshole, I'm not mean, but I'm also not too nice anymore. I don't validate these girls just to get a smile out of them. I do what I do and they come along for the ride.

BRENDORVEGAS · 2014-09-23T14:28:38+00:00

People often confuse "nice guys" with having a good manners.

RedPillSafe · 2014-09-23T13:19:56+00:00

First I'm glad you are beginning your transformation to manhood.

The notion that you need to simply be "aggressive" to be male is shallow. What you need to be doing is understanding how women work in that they are silly little hamsters that only want to feel happy all the time. Once the underlying reality, the core truth, sets in your behavior will change and for the betas around you that's going to just seem strange to them. But the truth is that you begin to mess with women because now you CAN.

As for religion...

It depends on your religion. I just read an article (written by a Jew) about how successful he knows his people are in the US and that their religion is like a form of steroids to create dominance everywhere they go. They tend to get slapped down over and over NOT because they have historically been weak, but that they ultimately became more powerful than their host societies.

Mormons (a group I've been associated with) were so dominant in their early years that they would swoop into a new city, take over all the businesses and create monopolies while STEALING all the wives and making large polygamous families. Often it was the husband who's wife ran off with the Mormon that got together with the posse that would run the Mormons out of town. These were no wimps these Mormons.

You might try travelling to the Islamic State so you can tell one of their fighters how wimpy they are.

Many mainstream christian churches are "Feminized" like the rest of society and basically worthless, so you do have a basic good point.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T14:27:36+00:00

I'm an EXTREMELY nice guy.

You can do so while maintaining frame when necessary, and expertly navigating bullshit.

For example: There was a post a while ago about people cutting you off in conversations, and everyone was talking about how to be totally alpha and assert dominance.

If it's my girlfriend, absolutely. If it's just some guy, I usually leave the conversation immediately. Don't need it.

Edit: should also say, being extremely nice - when I shrug off a shit test, it means much, much more, because the change in tone is noticeable.

squishles · 2014-09-23T16:27:45+00:00

Not sure if nice is the right word, more naive.

Younger the thing with women is presented as you can just pick one and be nice to her wife her and you'll get sex, love, kids, she'll be all yours for the rest of your lives; all that good white picket fence shit. Just need to take care of her, be nice to her, respect her ect. That sounds like an awesome deal, who would not take that deal, it's fucking amazing. Thing is, that doesn't exist.

CryptoManbeard · 2014-09-23T16:33:52+00:00

You don't have to be a dick to be a strong male. Here's a guy with high SMV: Bono. Prince is a sex god, yet he dresses like a girl and acts like one too.

You're looking at a hammer and saying, "I haven't learned how to bludgeon people to death with this yet, how did you get started?" All the while ignoring the fact that it is just a hammer. In itself it is neither good nor bad. It can be used to build a hospital for children with cancer or to end a man's life.

You will never be an "Alpha" fitting into someone else's preconceived notion of what you should be. You will be the strongest and most attractive when you fit into the role that you feel convicted about. For some people, that could look like becoming an MMA fighter who sleeps with a different woman every night. For others, it might be someone who takes a vow of celibacy and lives in a monastery.

Being a person who is nice, is different from being a doormat. You can be a genuinely caring person and still be attractive to women. You can't be attractive as a doormat though.

tabularaja · 2014-09-23T17:08:24+00:00

Jesus christ dude, "cutthroat" and "aggressive"? It just assertiveness and confidence, trp isn't about making you san quentin hard.

Cyralea · 2014-09-23T17:24:51+00:00

I think that a lot of us came from a path where we were once overly 'nice'. There's a common misconception that nice guys aren't actually nice, and that they're only doing it for sexual reciprocation. While that's surely true in some cases, many others are doing it because they were genuinely led to believe that it was the optimal mating strategy. Showcase your kindness and a woman will see your true nature, and love you for it.

But then something strange happens, none of that comes to fruition. Your expectations don't align at all with reality. The guys who "disrespect" women get all of their attention, and those women discard your niceness. Nice guys, genuinely nice guys, understandably become frustrated because the system isn't working as advertised.

I was that guy, way back when. The more selfish and narcissistic I became, the happier I became. It's so much easier to take than it is to live on the charity of others.

wheyapartment · 2014-09-23T18:21:03+00:00

I know one guy who was genuinely kind (not a pussy; leader material), but over the years he changed. Now he's a misanthrope. He became more observant over the years and he started noticing all sorts of things in people. I guess he realized that other people weren't genuinely kind and were just acting kind around him to leech off his status.

tenthirtyone1031 · 2014-09-23T18:27:32+00:00

Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

This is what you are doing but over yourself. My opinion is that you lack dignity and self-respect because, well as you admit, beta nice guys don't have either.

Because you cannot respect your own brand of kindness - which is born out of conditioning and deep down you know it is wrong. You cannot see that the kindness of others may stem from their own self-confidence and thus judge them the same way you judge yourself.

DRMMR76 · 2014-09-23T19:10:43+00:00

Yup. Pretty much me in a nutshell. I'm 30 now, so I was a kid/teen in the 90's and I grew up watching TV shows like Step by Step and Family Matters. I would say that kind of thing was the beginning of my brainwashing. In those shows and others like them, there were always story lines where one of the girl would be on a date with some pushy dudebro and would end up getting saved by the valiant nice guy. Hell, that was the entire premise of Family Matters; Urkel being the nerdy heart-of-gold shy awkward but genuinely decent partner type guy trying to win over the hot girl through sheer good personality traits. I really bought into that. When I got to high school I truly believed that the only reason why girls ever chose to date the typical douchebag guy was because there just weren't any actual decent guys and if they did manage to find a decent guy, they would flock to him. And of course I was single all through high school.

I had started to realize how much of a lie the whole "girls really just want a caring honest and humble partner" idea was, but by the time I graduated, years of being a social outcast deprived me of any real skill with attracting girls. I never went to a dance, never went on a date, made out with a grand total of 1 girl the whole 4 years. I had started taking TRP in regards to realizing that women didn't want a guy like me, but didn't have any idea of how to become that or change. Even in my early years in college I still gave the "be their friend" thing a try because I still thought that just maybe there were some actually good hearted women out there who wanted to fall in love with their best friend and have the typical Hollywood storybook relationship. And in fact, it actually worked one time. I ended up having a 4 and a half year relationship with a girl who really did seem like an awesome silly honest non Carousel riding girl. I think this was mainly due to her also being a shy nerdy awkward type who never partied, got drunk, etc in high school. Unfortunately in college she did end up gradually sampling that lifestyle, with the help of her breaking out of her shell and showing off her body a lot more which was actually very nice. And surprise surprise...she ended up cheating on me, breaking off our engagement, and dumping me through a text message. That was really the straw that broke the camels back. The one legit relationship that I had, which lasted for years and was strong and amazing the whole time, got ruined the moment she broke out of her shell. I think she always had the desire for the strong cocky alpha male type, but was too shy and unsure of herself to pursue it. She settled for me. Once she started getting invited to parties, wearing yoga pants and tight shirts and getting all the attention that entails, she dropped me like a sack of bricks.

The thing is I wanted the fantasy to be true. I wasn't some "nice guy" just using it as a game to get laid. I really though stable loving long term relationships came from two people who recognize inherant positive personality features in each other. I knew on some level that yeah the cocky alphas get the dates and get the pussy, but thought that the guys who got the true love LTRs were the decent ones.

Only recently have I come to see the true Hypergamy and AFBB dynamic that is always going on inside every female's head on some level. My one long term relationship coming from two people who actually just liked being silly and fun together was not the norm. It was a freak occurrence that had a built in expiration date. I just didn't see it in time.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T13:28:58+00:00

fucks other guy's girlfriends or who makes fun of guys who can't get laid

Although people on here do hook up with taken girls TRP doesn't stand for this. It's about focusing on yourself and living an exciting life that will attract other high value people.

justmanthings · 2014-09-23T15:16:00+00:00

I left mormonism about 3 years a go. It's been a long journey. I'm a nice guy but in the last year I've started aggressively defending my self-resepct (among other things like pursuing health and money goals more aggressively). That means I can sometimes be seen as an asshole when I'm standing up for myself, but I don't think I'm an asshole, and neither do my friends or girlfriend.

You can be a kind, generous, magnanimous, alpha male. That's what I strive to be. I want to embody the stoic virtues: Courage, Temperance, Wisdom, Justice.

For me, pursing a 'benevolent king" archetype is rewarding. I want to be able to bring immense positivity to the lives of those I love. I want to be a stable bedrock those closest to me can rely on in hard times. But I will never put up with disrespect.

HeadingRed · 2014-09-23T14:15:19+00:00

Yes
Yes

In both areas I had to break through years of similar dogma that worked hard to tell me the world isn't what I see but what others tell me it is.

SupALupRT · 2014-09-23T14:17:28+00:00

Yes but you see it wrong. It just comes down to putting yourself first. People never respect a appeasing doormat.

visibleinvisible · 2014-09-23T14:31:47+00:00

I used to be religious, but when an anti-religion man questioned me closely, asking me to illustrate the differences between my religion and mythology, I couldn't answer him. His questions led to my questions, and my answers were that Christianity is a crock of shit. Others feel differently, that's fine, but as for me, it's bullshit.

Pornography_saves_li · 2014-09-23T17:57:28+00:00

I went in the other direction. The Red Pill opened my eyes to the truth in the Bible, as well as the apostasy that is organized religion. The bible nearly directly contradicts pretty much everything taught in churches today.

RedPill115 · 2014-09-23T18:28:41+00:00

Similarly, I used to be pretty religious. There's nothing that saps the life out of faith than realizing it's largely there for beta males to feel wanted (by God) when women don't want them. That's got to be the absolute most painful realization to me.

I think that when religion is popular and well received, it's purpose is to give beta behavior status. If it's actually successful, then you can get women (or a woman) by playing by it's rules.

The problem is, it's no longer seen as very important, so it's effect on status is minimal.

OG-Wyze · 2014-09-23T18:38:47+00:00

I was raised catholic and questioned it throughout my youth. I became an atheist at the young age of 13.

I find religion is for the weak and pathetic, for reasons other than the homosexual relationship with god your proposing.

Religion offers comfort and hope to everyone who fails to find satisfaction in life. It lets every failure, complacent sob and mediocre piece of shit that regardless of how terrible their life has been, that even tho they didn't have the balls to go after what they wanted, that they stayed with a woman who cheated on them because they just didn't want to be alone, that even tho they hate themselves that one day all of that won't matter because as long as they're good they'll be able to go to heaven and get everything they ever wanted. And every ass hole or piece of shit in their life that they never had the courage to face including the guys who fucked their wife will end up going to hell.

Thats my problem with religion and who I think its for.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T20:07:54+00:00

Elliot Hulse said it best ...

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T22:32:41+00:00

I was a very nice guy. It got me fucking NOWHERE with anything in life. I might cause controvery, piss people off, get called arrogant and selfish.

But I'm far happier and better at everything I do now.

duodan · 2014-09-23T23:55:50+00:00

There's nothing that saps the life out of faith than realizing it's largely there for beta males to feel wanted (by God) when women don't want them. That's got to be the absolute most painful realization to me.

Holy...wow. I've never heard anything like that before, and it resonates with me. Is this just your observation, or is there further reading for me?

[deleted] · 2014-09-24T01:29:36+00:00

I consider my personality to be exactly the same as it was 15 years ago. The amount of bullshit I'm willing to put up with has decreased to practically unrecognizable levels however. I would actually say I've gotten nicer in terms of how I treat other people in general. I'm not the type of guy to remember everyone's birthday, and sure I make mistakes, but for the most part I treat my friends and other men (and even women) with the respect that they deserve.

Nice guy is more a euphamism for a man unwilling to stand up for himself than it is anything else. And bad boy is just a euphamism for a guy who knows how to make pussies tingle.

There's nothing inherently nice about nice guys and nothing inherently bad about bad boys. Society just applauds sexually inept men who follow in step with the feminen imperative and thus they are labelled nice. And society denigrates bold unapologetic male sexually hence men who embrace and explore their sexual nature are labelled bad.

gameno · 2014-09-23T14:15:19+00:00

Check.

I was a Nice Guy, became an even more Nice Guy (aka AFC), to the point that I got mad, really really mad, and I tried to be a jerk and it worked, fuck if it worked. I admit, for a while I was awful. Then I found PUA and toned it down a notch or two and worked even better. By my early standards I am not what I used to think was a jerk, whatever.

There'a a former Nice Guy behind 90% of the jerks out there.

rabblerabble8 · 2014-09-23T14:43:20+00:00

Just because religion has given the idea of God a bad name doesn't mean you have to abandon that idea completely. Atheism as a reactionary position to organized religion is what I'd consider the anger phase of taking the red pill spiritually. To each his own though.

mateodeloso · 2014-09-23T14:44:34+00:00

Im a firm believer that the nice guy isn't actually nice. Every "nice guy" i know is passive person who hopes he bargain his way into the top of a social circle or a woman's heart.

As Rollo puts it that for guys "sexy isnt always slutty, but slutty is always sexy."

Ive had a spin on that for years:

For girls: Masculine isn't always an asshole but an asshole is always masciline.

I still have a spiritual bend in my existence and i dont see TRP as a contradiction to belief system.

zerci · 2014-09-23T16:20:02+00:00

Hey, you're no alpha if you're going to be aggressive and cutthroat. Also why would you want to put people down that are in your situation now?

Alpha is a leader, you don't fuck or put down others if they don't deserve it, male or female. You need to be a leader, give no shits, and better your mind and your body.

Those guys that fuck others' girlfriends/wives and make fun of people who can't get laid are not only douchebags but are taking the easy route in life and hurting others. They are definitely not alpha.

We're males. Man up and hold the world in your hand and please don't make it worse than it already is.

EasyChief · 2014-09-23T18:58:20+00:00

I'd like to add a little perspective to your religion bit.

Organized religion as we know it today is nothing like it was originally intended. I know many others have suggested books to read in this thread, but the Catechism of the catholic church might help you interpret your religious beliefs in a different way, catholic or not.

I'll provide a short summary of the important bits though. Its all about pursuing the idea of Jesus. To become christ-like. And this has nothing to do with your faith. The idea of Jesus is the perfect man. The ultimate positive force in the universe. We're supposed to take that idea and apply it to our own lives. To become the most perfect version of ourselves.

This is a common theme across most religions. Different messiahs, different texts, but it usually boils down to being the best you possibly can be. I think religion is a parallel to trp. Both are trying to create the best possible people first and foremost.

I'm very open to discussion about this, so if any one wants to chime in and discuss/correct my post, go for it.

DevTrooper · 2014-09-23T13:26:05+00:00

Me, in both respects, I've changed a lot, some if it has to do with joining the military, some of it is because females.

I had always been taught red pill growing up because my father, great man. I had some red ideals mixed with the blue, and had enough game for a girlfriend, too much blue pill to keep her, so I changed, more I just hunt and pick, and don't really settle down

Dr_Acu1a · 2014-09-23T14:24:58+00:00

I always thought I was a nice guy, but me being nice is apparently super aloof and prickly to most other people. Being cutthroat made me downright mean. You tend to move in a negative direction if you completely lose yourself over some slightly dogmatic internet advice, no matter how successful it may seem.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T14:27:02+00:00

I used to be religious, now I'm not. I used to be a "nice guy", now I pursue my goals and will run through anyone who gets in my way (I will make an exception for my fellow brothers).

mbillion · 2014-09-23T15:51:15+00:00

You are subject to those control mechanisms just like anything else. You need to let go, it is not your nature to behave like this you are simply still stuck on the hamster wheel

Red_August · 2014-09-23T16:04:29+00:00

I've found that on my road to clarity, I've needed to shed many inherited notions that were in effect put in place to wrest my control, gain my consent, and control my actions. This includes religion, herd social constructs such as feminism, political constructs (and its fabricated distractions), consumerist influences, etc. etc.

You'll find that everyone is innately self-interested. And anyone with interests will channel their influence either directly as individuals or by also merging as a group of confluent interests through the constructs I mentioned above - the resulting tide raises all boats with similar interests and these may not be yours. The bottom line is that its always about power. The question is do you want to be a blind pawn? Question everything and follow the power/money trail.

You may also stand to gain by encouraging some of these constructs too. You're a self-interested individual also.

I've certainly gone through an all-too-long period of cynicism upon discovering all these constructs - not unlike the TRP anger phase. One doesn't have to become a monk living in a cabin off the grid - you can participate in society, partake in its rituals and pleasures but for starters, one needs to be wide awake and aware of what forces are really unleashed upon them, what they stand to gain, and at what cost to you.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T18:13:28+00:00

if some guys started out as nice and just learned to become more aggressive

Assuming you're talking about life in general - I started out super nice and passive in a bad/naive way, which I'm sure is that same as many young boys who are just trying to do the right thing. After realizing that wasn't the way to go I experimented with different levels of aggression and being a dick to people over the years, with varying results. At this point in my life I try very hard to be super nice again, but at the same time like an immovable force that can not be resisted when it really comes down to it. I try to be responsible for the area around me that I can influence and make it a good place for me but also tolerate no bullshit. I try to make my world wonderful for everyone else who's around me if possible, especially when they help me make this all happen. I think the secret to all this is spotting bullshit and being tactful about dealing with it, and being thoughtful about who you allow in your life.

realizing [religion is] largely there for beta males to feel wanted (by God) when women don't want them

I'm an atheist but I think religion is a bit more complex than that. Think about how hard and bitter some of the redpill truths are. It overwhelms you when you realize that between you and a satisfying and happy life there is this intense gauntlet of pain and struggle you have to cross to get there, and that not everyone is necessarily going to make it through. But then you see that some of us have found a source of strength that drives us through all of that and keeps us energized to face that struggle.

I think at it's best, religion is a similar source of strength for many people. At it's worst is can be a blue pill opiate and many other things, but just because you have used a hammer to break a window doesn't mean it won't still drive nails. Even though I can't get into it personally, I'm still fascinated by what it achieves for some people for whom the spell hasn't been broken, and I sometimes look for ways to get those effects in ways that are more palatable to my rational sensibilities.

Killigraphy · 2014-09-23T19:29:16+00:00

Growing up in NY wasn't exactly sunshine and rainbows...to be fair, it wasn't exactly Detroit either. But it meant not being a huge "pussy" all the time. Be a pussy at home, during the late hours wherein no one can hear you cry/dance/hug care bears, etc. I also grew up with a grandfather who was as Alpha as you could get; Merchant Marine, bomber jacket, switch blade, boxed, etc. So I learned very early on what to look out for.

Met a gigolo who schooled me on how women really are, and what social cues were all about, and I had a cousin who taught me how "not to care" about the small and big things, and when to ration said apathy/sympathy.

In other words I was really lucky, but I had to learn to put on the "mask" at a young age. The only thing I wasn't taught, was that eventually, that mask tends to become harder to take off the longer you wear it. You become this creature you only wanted to break out with, on certain days, so its quite taxing.

I started off as curious and as innocent as the rest, I just got schooled very early on, so I didn't have the utter soul crushing scenarios many unfortunate men have.

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PLaTinuM_HaZe · 2014-09-23T19:57:49+00:00

I started out as a genuinely nice guy even though I fit your stereotypical attractive frat boy look. If only I had understood my true potential in college by swallowing the red pill.... Better late than never

Mizerableman · 2014-09-23T19:58:44+00:00

Basically.

I went from super nice guy to super cocky guy. And I went from losing faith to being an avid church goer.

You might want to elaborate on your reasons for asking though because this seems like an irrelevant poll that'll probably bait people into over sharing.

northsidefugitive · 2014-09-23T20:03:02+00:00

I was always had underlying issues with narcissism and sadistic tendencies. I was still a blue pill bitch who would have walked on coals to please the women I devoted myself to. One dose of severe heartbreak from the sweetest girl I have ever met tore it. I snapped, I dug deep and tapped into that inherent dark triad nature and started pumping and dumping sluts. Then I found red pill, hit the gym, and now I'm just getting better at it. If women screw me over or possibly me off now I hang them over the fire before I kick them to the curb.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T21:00:03+00:00

Of course began as a so called nice guy. Behaved like the model good boyfriend that society has brainwashed me to be and it all blew up in my face. Found the TRP and bounced back harder and stronger than anything I've imagined.

So I started looking beyond the surface of things, scrapped all notions of organized religions and walked a spiritual path. It's been a spiritual journey ever since. The TRP honestly reinforces this natural order that's been twisted by modern social conditioning.

Transmigratory · 2014-09-23T22:36:37+00:00

I was what you'd call a "beta", but those tactics did work for me. Why I changed to RP, in spite of this? Well when I started to get interested in women more, I chose to check out "game". From there I got into the PUA scene, from there I found RP. From the former I became a little more cut-throat/aggressive but with RP, I'm more so.

Well it really wasn't over women, this change. Also it was kind of a necessity, I'm young and aiming for a career in finance. That isn't the sort of industry you get far in by being a "beta" nice guy. Though in doing this I noticed, as a guy, I got more respect. Don't get me wrong, people respected me plenty, but I wasn't taken as seriously with a lot relative to when I became more aggressive/cut-throat, RP style.

I wouldn't say I'm no longer nice, I'm still nice but I know that I've got to be assertive in a lot of situations. In life you've got to step on some people to get ahead, otherwise you'll be the one whose stepped on. I promise you that the guy who'd step on you wouldn't feel bad as a nice fellow would. I guess it is called "playing the game".

Religion is an odd one, used to be blindly religious when I was younger. However as I grew up I branched off.

Risky_Clicks_NSFW · 2014-09-23T23:17:51+00:00

I was always Red Pill. I have my mom to thank for that, primarily. She was super Dark Triad, so I grew up knowing women at their worst and kind of just expected it in relationshits. Was I ever right. I remember my first shit-test by my asian ex-gf. She was pissed I kept telling her what needed to be done, making all the plans, and not taking her "seriously". She lashed out at me by hitting me. I took one look at her, and then she cried and begged for forgiveness like she was going to die. Fun times.

Outside of relationships, I'm not nice either. I like to lead and get things done and most of society that I have encountered doesn't. So, I tend to argue a lot to get people to do meaningful things if they don't want to play nice.

CloakedOrchid · 2014-09-23T23:29:08+00:00

In high school all I wanted was to be the male lead in a real life romantic comedy.

After a few years of realizing that didn't work, while improving myself in the meantime, I now have a reputation for wearing a shit-eating grin and ignoring girls' comments about having boyfriends while I flirt with the girls and inevitably get their numbers.

LRW34 · 2014-09-24T04:50:28+00:00

I started off as a very very beta little jackass than at the end of hs i became 1 of the biggest budding alphas in the city nd now im a beta again by choice

wickedwildewolf · 2014-09-24T05:08:34+00:00

I started out as a very religious nice guy, a genuine good Christian. But it led to a lot of difficulties in my life. So, slowly but certainly, I changed. I try to be open-minded and find out what's real, and that's what brought me here. I look out for myself now, put myself first. But I try to be a good man, not intentionally hurting others.

I get a lot of comments from people around me that I'm a good man, if that counts for anything. And it is what I strive to be, at least most of the time.

But I'm also looking out for what I want, because no one else will. So yes, at times I'm ruthlessly selfish, when my interests clash with those of others. I do get inspired by characters like Frank Underwood, if only to balance the indoctrination from my blue pill nice guy religious upbringing.

red_gerb · 2014-09-24T07:31:38+00:00

yes. I wouldn't say cut throat or aggressive. The blue beta is dead however. Midlife crisis and attending church since childhood came to a head. TRP revealed the feminine lies, critical thinking kicked in, and a whole world was revealed to me that I never knew or saw! The church is a product for the feminine consumer. Omg, blue pills everywhere. I still believe in a higher power/creator, and am seeking truth. FYI-biblical Adam was a Beta. Should have kicked Eve to the curb, and nexted the foolish b1tch.

[deleted] · 2014-09-24T07:51:19+00:00

I started out overly nice.

As a young child I was the kid who had a troupe of female friends and couldn't connect with other boys. Perhaps because I was selected to be advanced a year due to being "Gifted" (Don't get too excited, gifted in buttfuck nowhere is basically any kid who isn't eating the paste)

As I got into my teens that faded away as I realised they were not real friends, and that all I was ever going to be to them was an emotional tampon.

I then spent 10 years in the bitterness stage of red pill.

And at 26 I rebuilt my life and became "That guy"

Not full on DT, but strongly seasoned that way.

[deleted] · 2014-09-24T08:32:27+00:00

I was raised by a single mother who basically told me to bow my head to women. While I deeply distrusted that advice, I thought that it would be the best way to not attract attention. After all, I saw everyone else around me doing it.

What flipped by switch was a series of events. There was one time I got so fed up with my mother getting away with every little criminal shit that no man would ever get away with. Once I stood up to her and told her to fuck off and gave her the silent treatment, she actually stopped being less abusive. That moment, it clicked in my head that I could do this to other women.

I didn't get my chance until some girl I liked was using me. I found out about how she was using me for her own emotional gain and then running off with other men. So I simply held my frame, told her to fuck off, and suddenly she did an about face and invited me to go to a party with her. At this point, I was on a power trip and told her that unless she was sucking my dick on the ride over that it wasn't happening. And I guess she got so offended that it never happened.

But I think I slowly made that shift in my own life through events that I would normally want to smooth over. Any event I could just end by bowing my head, I stood up for myself and fought for every bit of respect. Pretty soon, I became feared for my cutthroat work ethic but sincerity when it came to private matters. I became respected and feared (although my interactions with girls was basically that of a gigantic middle finger because in high school, I couldn't care less about women since I was focused on getting into a good college).

RP408JZG · 2014-09-24T12:06:13+00:00

You can PM me for the full story with better details, but for me, what caused me to abandon christ as my moral compas was realizing that me having sexual desire as a man is not sinful amd not to be condemned. It shouldn't be condemned in women either, provided they are held accountable for their actions and they aren't on the dole.

[deleted] · 2014-09-25T02:45:17+00:00

I reached my atheism/antitheism through an understanding of science and religion, and how their very nature can never coexist in a respectable way.

I've been an atheist for 15 years maybe. TRP for a good 4 months.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T13:55:46+00:00

Fun fact, you're probably not "pretty nice". You're probably just as self-serving as the rest of us, but you don't quite realize that the reason you're nice to people is because your programming has conditioned you to be nice in order to gain approval and validation from others.

Don't worry about being nice, but do think about your motivations as to why you act or react to things the way you do.

Amusiastudio · 2014-09-23T14:01:32+00:00

I thought being alpha was to keep frame. Being aggressive and putting down others seem to like something someone lacking frame would do.

MomoUnchained · 2014-09-23T13:01:52+00:00

Came from a similar situation.

Hopelessly beta and fiercely religious.

I think the atheism came before the realization that I was a beta male bitch but the frustration had been brewing for years.

I'm glad I snapped out of that shit at 21.

FLFTW16 · 2014-09-23T13:30:21+00:00

Similarly, I used to be pretty religious. There's nothing that saps the life out of faith than realizing it's largely there for beta males to feel wanted (by God) when women don't want them. That's got to be the absolute most painful realization to me.

If anything I have reclaimed my faith. Catholicism is one of the most RP religions in the world. Church dogma explicitly and unequivocally places the husband as the HEAD of the family and in charge of the woman. The wife is to be obedient and loyal to the husband at all times.

I was raised catholic but lost my way during college (thanks cultural marxism shakes fist).

In fact religion isn't just for beta males, but beta everyone. The sick, the poor, the old, the imprisoned, the dying, the lonely. Everyone's a sinner. Life will betafy everyone at one point or another. The thing about religion is that women take it much more literally and seriously than men do. I think the reason why men go to church is to find a woman, or to indoctrinate their wives with the dogma (she'll believe ANYTHING said by someone with the right credentials and costume).

Look, women aren't going to magically come up with this shit on their own. Someone has to fucking teach it to them. Well, a few unicorns over at r.redpillwomen swallowed the pill, but they are a drop in the bucket. I'm guessing every town in America has two or three churches. That makes it about as convenient as McDonalds. Women need it drilled into their head that they are here to serve their husband and this makes God very, very happy. Only religion can do that. Only when they get a weekly dose of this will they learn to keep their legs shut and wait for Mr. Right instead of riding the CC. It empowers the women in a way as well. It teaches them to be very, very selective and cautious. The repercussions and risks are not whitewashed as they are in pop culture.

Padre55 · 2014-09-23T13:55:05+00:00

A couple of thoughts on this:

-I've found a relationship with God to be massively helpful as it leads to an abundance mentality and real confidence.

-Was never nice, nor an asshole, more independent

-Spent far more time in the Old Testament then Acts and Paul's Epistles simply b/c the Epistles are on sided conversations where you really do not know the questions he is responding to with his pov.

-Would not recommend sleeping with other men's wives or GF's, nothing but problems. Women come and go, male friends tend to stick around

As for making fun of those not having sex, to me that is like targeting a poor person, if they could, they'd be wealthy. As for your looks, keep in mind women buy different color shoes from each other all the time it is a matter of personal preferences.

Game claims to able to overcome those preferences, it can just not all of the time and there is a lot of blowouts that happen.

[deleted] · 2014-09-23T18:32:15+00:00

I don't mean "nice guys," like the guys that pretend to be nice to get girls. I mean actually genuine, good men who don't look to gain a step up on every other man that crosses their path.

Only a tiny percentage of people are like this and they are called sociopaths. Normal people only look to "gain a step up" when there is something in it for them to gain.

nesshie91 · 2014-09-24T06:57:17+00:00

I was the nicest boyfriend ever. (Or servant dog slave)

Now I'm in the RedPillPsycopath phase. I've been getting nude pictures from this virgin and the first dick she sucked was mine. I rubbed my cum all over her legs and laughed. Also note that all of this happened in my hospital ward. Lol