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Emma Watson says, "Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes" as she dates an alpha male jock

by redpillbanana on /r/TheRedPill
24 September 2014 07:34 AM UTC

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Emma Watson: "I want men to take up this mantle. So...that their sons have permission to be vulnerable and human too — reclaim those parts of themselves they abandoned and in doing so be a more true and complete version of themselves."

But remember that TRP encourages you to watch what people do, not what they say:


...she has become “Goodwill Ambassador for UN Women,” a job that evidently requires her to say silly feminist stuff on Twitter, e.g.:

Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes.

Ri-iiight. Because what guys really need is to be liberated from “prescribed gender stereotypes.” All the hot babes like Emma Watson are crazy for guys who don’t fit “prescribed gender stereotypes,” right? So you will probably be surprised to learn that Emma Watson is dating a bald scrawny impoverished poet the biggest jock at an elite university:

According to a multiple outlets, the 23-year-old former “Harry Potter” film star has recently begun dating a fellow Oxford University student named Matthew Janney. . . .

The UK’s Mirror reported . . . that Janney, 21, is not only a student at the prestigious institution, he is also a star rugby player for their varsity team. Despite his prized athletic skills, Janney has also been recognized for something else: his looks. According to the report, the college student was named “Oxford’s most eligible bachelor” and “best looking player” by the university’s rugby team’s official Twitter account.

In other words, an Alpha male, the epitome of “prescribed gender stereotypes” from which Emma Watson says we need to be liberated.

Smart young fellows figure out that listening to what women say is less important than watching what women do. Women are constantly saying they want sensitive Ashley Wilkes types, even while they’re actually going crazy for the Rhett Butler types. But women are hopelessly fickle and self-contradictory, anyway.

As a man in our new feminist world, you are liberated from your gender stereotype and have permission to be vulnerable and human. And women have permission to dump you for the next nearby alpha male who decided that he doesn't need to be liberated from his gender stereotype.

Hat tip to /u/nix_on_the_glowworm for exposing me to this article, /u/TRPsubmitter for the idea of submitting this, and /u/justmanthings for posting the original quote about "taking up the mantle".

Edit: /u/We_Are_Legion suggests including this excellent image from /u/tremenfing: https://imgur.com/J5L4Ien

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Title Emma Watson says, "Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes" as she dates an alpha male jock
Author redpillbanana
Upvotes 712
Comments 420
Date 24 September 2014 07:34 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/21691
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2hb75a/emma_watson_says_gender_equality_not_only/
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335 upvotestracer1235 years ago

All women are saying "be more sensitive" ONLY to Alpha men. They want to see inside your head which is the purpose of you keeping frame. They get high on your mystery and stoicism but don't like the power you wield. They are NOT saying this for Beta men, who are invisible anyway.

215 upvotesRAGING_ERECTION5 years ago

This is true.

When you ask a woman what she's looking for in a man she will start listing off 'beta' qualities and behaviours.

The difference is, she's imagining these coming from the top 1% rich alpha movie star, not your typical obese neckbeard.

42 upvotesCousieknow5 years ago

I want to quote you on this, but giving credit...

42 upvotesHumanSockPuppet5 years ago

What so hard about quoting him?

Whenever I say something brilliant to a woman, I always cite my raging erection as the source.

6 upvotesmuyuu5 years ago

RAGING_ERECTION doesn't lie.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

OK. This. This explains so much of my life.

84 upvotesDream4eva5 years ago

It's one big shit test to find the true alpha men and weed out the rest.

21 upvotesBadgerBurger5 years ago

This is the true definition of feminism.

81 upvotesjohnnight5 years ago

They are saying this not because it would give the man a positive result, but because the aloofness is positively annoying them.

That's like me saying to a girl "stop dressing so sexy".

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

I know. It's annoying her to the point of gina tingles, in fact. Girls dressing sexy annoy my dick by making it hard too. I wish they would stop it.

Huhuh. Reminds me of Beavis & Butthead's sexual harassment suit. http://youtu.be/7SF5Yiz3qTQ

1 upvotescover205 years ago

Also, they don't like the idea that beta men are acting alpha. They don't like the idea that their intended betabux is instead out speaking directly to women's nether parts and making them tingle.

It's about power. The brain of a woman, especially a powerful capable one, resists the fact that sexual attraction bypasses her control and gives the man power.

But it's legal, and then the woman does consent of her own free will. No drugs, alcohol or threats are used.

2 upvotesyumyumgivemesome5 years ago

Agreed. We men like a girl who knows how to dress conservatively and comfortably... as long as she is capable of dressing and looking fuckin hot too.

24 upvotesMr_Zarika5 years ago

Actually I was talking to my mother the other day and the topic of gender roles came up. She's pretty RP (so is my dad) and quite Christian. She mentioned that in the Bible it says that the woman's curse (when they get kicked out of the garden of eden) is to lust after the power men have, but that men will always rule over them.

Thought it was kinda interesting that the Bible noted that so long ago.

EDIT: I realized I commented this on the wrong comment, that's why it seems like it doesn't follow from above. Either way, I found the verse, it's Genesis 3.

It says, "To the woman, He (being God) said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain," and the Hebrew text says, "and childbirth, in pain you shall bring forth children," Then it says, "yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you.'"

8 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

It's been the standard for forever that women prefer a more follow role in relationships. It's easier, it's less risky. But they always end up trying to get 2 contradictory 2 things:
1. A powerful lead
2. Influence over the lead

1 upvotescover205 years ago

"he shall rule over you" should be taken not just as a statement to the woman but an instruction to the man.

It's our job to lead. If we don't do it and stuff doesn't happen for us, we are ignoring the recipe book and getting the expected (lack of) good results.

23 upvotessir_wankalot_here5 years ago

That is exactly what she is saying. I am liking this Emma Watson more and more. Women should be allowed to fuck alpha males and then get some beta male to support them.

If you where female, would you want your offspring to have genetic material from a waddling American lard ass male or a beta whiney Asian male ? These type of males should be happy that the female even lets them look at her and sometimes even have sex with her.

35 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Not sure why this is getting down voted. It's mostly sarcasm but this is how women think.

38 upvotessir_wankalot_here5 years ago

People don't like to take a good long hard look in the mirror.

Reverse the roles. Men here are always bitching about how fat American women are. There are just as many lard ass men as there are lard ass women.

People tell me stuff like, I am a wierd old man, I am an asshole, I am arrogant, I am racist, I am elitist, I ended up in a third world country because I fucked up in a first world one. They think by telling the truth they can hurt me.

I made a lot of bad choices when I was young, and you always end up paying for it one way or another. But despite these bad choices I still ended up on my feet.

26 upvotesjerrytheman19985 years ago

I have no idea what you're on about but I enjoyed reading it

1 upvotescover205 years ago

The difference is that a lard ass man can overcome it easily. Not just by working out, though that's fine. He can keep his same shape and learn some game and do at least ok. Well enough he'll be motivated to try more things to improve.

Whereas a lard ass woman had better lose weight and fast. Or give up and decide she's really a feminist or a lesbian.

There's no need men have to have the same problems women do. We have our own problems and challenges and our own role to play. We must not be talked into taking on women's problems as well.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Whenever people start Fuckin with you just say u mad bro? Turn into a human troll whenever someone tries coming at you like that.

Tells me your story about how you ended up in a third world country!

6 upvotessir_wankalot_here5 years ago

The world has changed a lot in the last 30+ years, and I am not talking about cellphones, internet and computers. The invention of the telegraph and steam engine had far more impact.

Kids are no longer allowed to walk to school alone, never mind own things like BB guns. When I was a kid, we had bikes and we would go miles from home without adult supervision. Bullying in school, you dealt with it, either by knocking the crap out of the bully or knocking him down verbally. 95% of the stuff that teachers did when I was a kid is now illegal. If a kid was acting up in class the teacher and the kid might publically exchange good natured insults, and a smart teacher would outwit the kid. On the other hand if that kid really need help, the same teacher would be there to have a heart to heart talk with the kid.

One math teacher noticed some kids where illegally betting on horses. So he used racing forms to show them how to calculate odds better, why betting on horses is a bad idea etc. The kids got an interest in math. That teacher probably would be fired today.

Kids today are in a sterile environment and bored shitless.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago


With the whole bullying issue, I went through it bad but found a great solution.

If I have a boy, he will be getting into a combat sport (boxing, UFC, BJJ). Those kids don't get bullied.

If I have a girl, well... she'll be hot seeing as I'll be having a kid with a smoking Latina. She'll live a healthy lifestyle and stay lean as well.

The way society handles bullying in this day is repulsive. Bullying is a very primal thing. we need to teach our kids to see it as a challenge rather than get all butt hurt about it. I'll take my kid to Disneyland if he beats up a bully. No joke, I'll walk in that office and blurt out loud to my kid "did you make that kid your bitch? I'm taking you to Disneyland!" then watch the principals hamster go in overdrive about how I'm a terrible parent. Fuckin hilarious!

1 upvotessabresandiego5 years ago

Ill give you an upvote just because there is merit in the statement you made.

The truth is that being an asshole, arrogant, racist, elitist is generally a bad thing (although good and bad are merely perspectives). What is good is being assertive, confident, ambitious, and these are traits that people with conviction or contempt may convey. Assholes are generally assertive, elitists are generally ambitious, racists have conviction. Bad things can cause you to display attractive traits which goes back to the idea that women are attracted to assholes. They arent attracted to assholes, they are attracted to the dominance that assholes tend to project. If a good guy had the same amount of assertiveness, ambition, and confidence as the asshole, he actually becomes FAR more attractive than the asshole.

10 upvotesEnisei5 years ago

Is this supposed to be satire?

16 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Can you explain why it should be?

Entertain the thought.

If you were a woman. Would you not want your kids to have the best genes paid for by the richest guy?

12 upvotescolovick5 years ago

That's true, but the post above was barely intelligible.

33 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Sir wankalot is like a court jester here. He's full of real red to the bone truths hidden inside an often unapproachable layer of madness.

I love him and you'll always find him at the bottom of the thread buried with down votes not giving a fuck.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I always go to the very bottom of red pill forums and there he is with "-14 children" lmao

Oh, just got banned from r/feminism for making a post that said 'i need feminism because it's hilarious.' I made it like 15 mins though so at least some people saw it.

5 upvotescolovick5 years ago

Fair enough. I didn't down vote him personally, but I got the gist of what he was saying. I'm not active enough lately to be nuanced in the sub's personalities.

23 upvotestehwankingwalruses5 years ago

Its /u/sir_wankalot_here. He is a prolific troll (or idiot) on TRP.

1 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

All women are saying "be more sensitive" ONLY to Alpha men.

I don't 100% agree with you. It seems to me like there's also a lot of the opposite case - when she's really happy with the alpha (which tends not to last past a certain period of time, but in that time period) it seems like she doesn't give him that crap, but instead tells the semi-alpha guys around her that in order to make them better orbiters and less likely to leave because they meet another girl.

Have you seen how heavily a super beta guy can get told by women that his beta ways are good, he should be more beta if anything, and yet have nothing similar to say to the alpha guy she's attracted to?

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22 upvotes2comment5 years ago

I think Rowling (and lesser extent Watson) play the media and fans like Vivaldi played the violin. The tidbit doesn't matter, it was just juicy enough for fans. Just like Rowling was "outed" as an anonymous author last year when the book sales were going nowhere. As a result, it got more buzz and interest than her first, arguably half-failed non-HP book, and got casual Rowling fans to buy it who wouldn't buy a detective novel, even from her.

Happily Ever After is a static ending people like but doesn't rouse passions or get fans to argue. So shey throw gas on the fire every so often to keep the embers going, but it doesn't change anything.

It may be because Universal opened 2 theme park areas this summer and to raise interest. It may be something else, I don't follow their careers closely enough to know exactly what.

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I hated how she gave her pseudonym military and police credentials to up the credibility of the book and no one called her out on her shit.

Born in 1968, Robert Galbraith is married with two sons. After several years with the Royal Military Police, he was attached to the SIB (Special Investigation Branch), the plain-clothes branch of the RMP. He left the military in 2003 and has been working since then in the civilian security industry. The idea for protagonist Cormoran Strike grew directly out of his own experiences and those of his military friends who have returned to the civilian world. 'Robert Galbraith' is a pseudonym.

If anybody else did that they'd be ripped to shreds. Oh wait, James Frey, author of "A Million Little Pieces", was for something similiar.

37 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Ron wasn't alpha AT ALL. Constantly whimpering, complaining, acting like a dumbass. The only alpha thing he did was eat like a boss. That's how a real man eats. stuffs his face and doesn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

He fucked up in the fourth movie where Hermione hooked up with the Durmstrang hunk. When you show jealousy like that you're finished. In real life she would of kept sleeping with bad boys until her looks wouldn't allow it.

Ron hooked up with that crazy broad in the sixth movie. That's what she should have been doing since the first one. Oh, don't worry about Hermione, she wouldn't be jealous or upset, she wouldn't even notice.. head too wrapped up in bad boys to care.

As for harry, he would of banged Cho into an inevitable pregnancy. Damn she was hot.

29 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Yeah, Harry's girl issues were completely unbelievable. Sure, the saviour of your entire community, who just came out on top against a dragon, is struggling to get a date for the dance.

Yeah... No.

19 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Bitches would have been throwing themselves at him. High school pussy for days

208 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago


Incredible. She could not date a more stereotypical 'buff athletic alpha male' if she tried to. But I'm sure he's soft deep down, right, right?

182 upvotesIll_mumble_that5 years ago

Is it just me, or is he way out of her league? Her celebrity status is the only reason she's not a plate, or maybe she still is.

117 upvotesAdach5 years ago


60 million reasons he'd better stick with Hermione

18 upvotesvaker5 years ago

He should divorce rape her...

40 upvotesbeginner_5 years ago

lol my thought as well. She kind of looks out of place and ugly besides him.

3 upvotesNiftyDolphin5 years ago

Is that Watson or the chick from Twilight?

26 upvotesspaldingnoooo5 years ago

Idk, his face looks crooked as shit but he's obviously in great shape though (forgot to add tall because obviously that matters).

66 upvotesyouonlylive2wice5 years ago

He has the face of a rugby player... and the attitude that goes along w/ "I've had my nose broken 4 times, its no big deal, and if you make it a big deal, well, I'm tougher than you" AKA confidence in one self and apathy towards the ridicule of others.

Chicks don't just dig scars, they dig what the scars mean.

14 upvotesAveSharia5 years ago

Is it just me or is that him, making it a big deal?

19 upvotesleftajar5 years ago

She needs to start exercising... she looks weak.

-12 upvotesreiduh5 years ago

she looks PERFECT =D they're quite the atypical couple

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41 upvotesnallalalla5 years ago

Like many jocks through history, he gets off on fucking the girl that the nerds wish they were fucking

2 upvotes8lp5 years ago

Have to disagree there - I don't think she can possibly be considered less than a 7 with this face (I give her face at least 8.5, maybe 9):


Her body is thin/kinda nice but nothing special, so she's a 7.5-8 in my book. The picture in OP is just a bad picture.


8 upvotesmunky825 years ago

This picture always freaked me out. She did look cute in "This is the End" though, but never in the Harry Potter films. I just never got why neckbeards are so crazy about her, except maybe for the same reason they crush on their friends’ mousey sisters (false proximity).

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1 upvotes8lp5 years ago

Agree that her body is pretty average. But an average /6 girl could not look like the above pictures even with the greatest stylists in the world.

2 upvoteswhatsazipper5 years ago

I think you're letting the sad state of the rest of the population mess with your scale. Spend some time in an area where the women aren't carrying extra weight. This chick looks average when compared to girls who are at a sensible weight.

4 upvotes8lp5 years ago

You make a good point. I was in Paris a while back (I'm from the US) and every couple hours I thought I saw the most beautiful girl I've ever seen.

-9 upvotesLister-Cascade5 years ago

Your stupidity is frightening.

-12 upvotestilfes5 years ago

He is, but come on she's Hermione after all!

71 upvotessweetleef5 years ago

Rejecting "gender stereotypes" is great - as long as it only applies to everyone else.

Along with the obvious contradiction in the fact that the only reason she is given a chance to lecture others to "reject gender stereotypes" is that she fits the stereotypical beautiful woman gender stereotype.

If she were the stereotypical hambeast lesbian with a crew cut and neck tattoos, nobody would give a shit what she said.

34 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

she fits the stereotypical beautiful woman gender stereotype.

Does she though? I've never understood the hardon so many guys have for her. She's cute, but just not all that attractive to me.

Maybe it's because when she played Hermione as a child I was already in my 30s so now when I see her I can't unsee that little girl. Brains can be funny that way.

32 upvotesmd6195 years ago

She fulfills the beta male fantasy on the kind of girl you could fall in love with. Not only is attractive (by their standards) but she's supposedly smart and somewhat nerdy. It's a girl who, in their mind, would finally understand and appreciate them.

Beta males can't compete in terms of masculinity so they have to hope that similarities will keep a girl around. What they don't understand is that opposites attract.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

She fulfills the beta male fantasy on the kind of girl you could fall in love with. Not only is attractive (by their standards) but she's supposedly smart and somewhat nerdy. It's a girl who, in their mind, would finally understand and appreciate them.

They project an image onto her that I'm sure she doesn't actually have. She's cute, but not 'hot' which makes her seem attractive yet approachable (in their minds).

2 upvotesFlareprime5 years ago

Little Potter boys grew up with her on screen while they were racing through puberty. It sticks, its why I am still in love with the actually average looking Princess Leia

-4 upvotesguitarstrings445 years ago

If she were the stereotypical hambeast lesbian with a crew cut and neck tattoos, nobody would give a shit what she said.

Maybe that's WHY she felt obligated to do these things. We paid attention to her because of the issues presented in her speech. The internet wouldn't be blowing up right now if it wasn't her that said it and how she said it. MAYBE, just maybe that is the point. Let's talk about our hypocrisies and broken behaviors instead of staying silent.

5 upvotessweetleef5 years ago

Let's talk about our hypocrisies and broken behaviors instead of staying silent.

That may have motivated her. But the statement is still hypocritical given her actions - she earns obscene amounts of money for being attractive, she spends energy cultivating and marketing that attractiveness, she poses for sexy photos and wears revealing clothes - then she lectures others that they are evil and base for buying what she's selling.

As for "our behaviors", I don't see what is "broken", or how it could be fixed. People pay attention to attractive people - it's been that way since we developed eyes. No amount of talking will change that.

3 upvotesMarcusDavidson5 years ago

We paid attention to her because of the issues presented in her speech.

The internet is not blowing up because she is hot. The internet is blowing up because she is a liar of such low moral caliber that she caused harm to millions of vulnerable boys/girls for cash.

26 upvoteswalkonthebeach5 years ago

Amazing picture. Thanks. It's just says all I need to know!

12 upvotesWally_B5 years ago

kinda looks like he was photoshopped in...

1 upvotesDonald_Fuck5 years ago

It all looks pretty good except for emma's right arm wtf is with that

13 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Don't want to be that guy, but Emma needs some squats in her life.

4 upvotesEasyChief5 years ago

I see Ringo Starr has been working out.

3 upvotes87GNX5 years ago

Damn, right down to the inguinal crease. He's better looking than she is!

2 upvotesFrDax5 years ago

He skips leg day, she's never heard of leg day

0 upvotesreal-boethius5 years ago

This reminds me of the typical feminist complaining not enough women in STEM subjects. Then you ask them what they majored in and the answer is "feminism and and a minor in English lit".

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53 upvotesxu855 years ago

Very, very easy to denounce 'sexism' and 'gender stereotypes' when you have made your fortune off the back of your looks. It's a have-your-cake-and-eat-it situation. Get all the fame, money and power mainly through your looks, then turn around and one-up all those actresses who don't 'call out sexism' and 'do your bit'. It's like Raising Awareness, all the benefits of helping people and feeling great, but none of the ensuing criticism or dealing with difficult questions. Win-win.

Other similar behaviours - flying around the planet campaigning against "climate change", being in an Irish pop group and lobbying for 'ending poverty', while practicing massive tax avoidance on earned income, having a token ethnic minority friend while living in a very safe white neighbourhood and sending your children to a private school thereby having a convenient buffer against any future claims of' 'racism', buying 'fairtrade organic' food produce to make yourself feel good about 'making a difference' while driving a big car and living in an inefficient household, criticising 'war' while not understanding or not realising that you are an indirect beneficiary or countless wars your ancestors faught and won, 'liking' some bulllshit about a 'noble cause' on Facebook to 'raise awareness', doing 'ice bucket challenge' to 'raise awareness for charidee' while infact using it as a convenient reason to showcase your expensive property of perfectly maintained abs/breasts/exuberant personality.

I am seeing this type of 'champagne socialism' more and more because of social media.

5 upvotesVegasHostTre5 years ago

I love that term "Champagne Socalism"

I'm Emma Watson denouncing stereotypes because I made my money off of fat nerds who eat this Harry Potter crap up. I would never date any of you though, my rugby boyfriend will kick your ass if you touch me

I'm Al Sharpton claiming racism and fighting for any cause that gets me TV time. Once said cause has died down and nobody's talking about it anymore, I'm done with it as I have kept myself in the news and keep my donations running. Did I mention soon as I made a million dollars I divorced my old black hag of a wife for a much lighter complexioned, younger mixed breed woman?

Im Barack Obama I claim to be about change but I been in office for 1 1/2 terms now and not a damn thing has changed. I still am in the pockets of the largest multinational corporations giving them tax breaks for jobs their shipping overseas. Even though women graduate from college more than men, get more jobs than men, and are just generally treated better than men, I will still spew the irrational logic that society doesn't value women.Remember #bringbackourgirls Now I still haven't tracked down Boko Harem and the women that he has probably sold by now but still.

Champagne Socialism I love it!

-4 upvotesGods_Work5 years ago

wow. You broke it. Broke it right down. Its the break down.... and you did it. I'm God_Work and I want you to know...These are the breaaks! Break it up!Break it up! Break it UuuP!

95 upvotesStinkfished5 years ago

Yes tell us of your wisdom 23 year old child star that has lived in a fantasy world for most of your life.

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8 upvotesnallalalla5 years ago

really has no place in a reasoned debate.

Which is to say, it's exactly the way to deal with feminists

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

So a 6 year old girl who lived in a mansion all her life could "potentially" have a better opinion on military strategy than a seasoned war veteran?

The only reason people care about Emma Watson's feminist ideology is because they know her from some movies. Had she been an unattractive fat girl with a lisp, nobody would give a shit.

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Correct, anyone can become "knowledgeable" about a subject, however only those with experience and some sort of degree or proof of knowledge should be the ones we listen to.

The message may be the same, but we need to examine the speaker as well. In my opinion, this is just a publicity stunt to keep Emma related in current events.

I doubt she believes it herself, seeing as her boyfriend is the exact opposite of the men she claims there need to be.

She's a spoiled actress, her opinion is no better than a fat chick with a lisp's ideology. People are treating her like she's either the next Jesus or Saddam Hussein exaggeration but in all actuality she doesn't matter.

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I don't need someone to tell me how to think, but I'd sooner listen to an expert than some spoiled princess actress. It's very weak-minded of you to apparently 'trust and defend' some publicity stunt of an actress who has yet to find another big role.

You seem to believe that common information (the weather, random trivia and opinion) is the same as specialized information (politics, medicine, psychology, sociology). We both agree that her opinion is bullshit and that she isn't qualified, so what is the problem here?

My point is that she has no experience in the subject, but because she is a celebrity, people pretend she does. Her opinion is not important because she has absolutely no relation to such a subject- she lives a sheltered life full of adoring fans and has an alpha stud boyfriend.

Never once did I mean to imply a college education makes someone a genius- but it's still a college education. I also said that a degree isn't the only way to prove one's knowledge on a subject- any sort of provable experience, document, or other proof is satisfactory enough.

Basically, I trust lawyers to know the law and doctors to know medicine. That doesn't mean I trust them unconditionally; I still learn about these subjects and make my own opinions. But if Emma Watson came out of nowhere on her own (with no help or citation from others) and started making random comments on political theory or how to perform neurosurgery, I wouldn't trust her at all.

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10 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

What's ironic is that while feminists want more women in science, women don't necessarily want to be in science. Have you ever talked to a high school girl about math? "gross" I've heard more than once to describe it.

59 upvotesWarkillercR5 years ago

When I discovered this for myself, a warm feeling consumed my insides and a giant shit eating grin wore my face. Too good to be true almost.

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1 upvotesGods_Work5 years ago

Don't ever, ever, EVER take advice from a woman on how to attract women, or how you should behave as a man. LOOK TO OTHER SUCCESSFUL MEN!

I would make a 3d representation of ^ out of diamond if i had the dough to spare

edit: if i ever do make the money, I swear on my life i will deliver. Hand to my heart and soul.

119 upvotesyummyluckycharms5 years ago

Typical feminist logic - or lack thereof. Kinda like how beyonce talks about being a feminist and then marries Jay Z

There is a good reason why most ceos aren't women

44 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

This might be the best authority on the subject:


The semiconductor business is a tough one with significant competition from the Japanese, Taiwanese, and Koreans. There have been more corporate casualties than survivors. For that reason, our Board of Directors is not a ceremonial watchdog, but a critical management function. The essential criteria for Cypress board membership are as follows:

  • Experience as a CEO of an important technology company.
  • Direct expertise in the semiconductor business based on education and management experience.
  • Direct experience in the management of a company that buys from the semiconductor industry.

A search based on these criteria usually yields a male who is 50-plus years old, has a Masters degree in an engineering science, and has moved up the managerial ladder to the top spot in one or more corporations. Unfortunately, there are currently few minorities and almost no women who chose to be engineering graduate students 30 years ago. (That picture will be dramatically different in 10 years, due to the greater diversification of graduate students in the '80s.) Bluntly stated, a "woman's view" on how to run our semiconductor company does not help us, unless that woman has an advanced technical degree and experience as a CEO. I do realize there are other industries in which the last statement does not hold true. We would quickly embrace the opportunity to include any woman or minority person who could help us as a director, because we pursue talent -- and we don't care in what package that talent comes.

I believe that placing arbitrary racial or gender quotas on corporate boards is fundamentally wrong. Therefore, not only does Cypress not meet your requirements for boardroom diversification, but we are unlikely to, because it is very difficult to find qualified directors, let alone directors that also meet investors' racial and gender preferences.

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Wow, just read the full text. Absolutely destroyed that nun.

9 upvotesHalfPastTuna5 years ago

I did a case study on this company in school. Guy is the definition of redpill, if probably a complete asshole

7 upvotesIll_mumble_that5 years ago

bu.. buu.. but where's the pussypass?

That's right. It has no place in the real competitive world.

7 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

Consider charitable donations. When the U.S. economy shrinks, the dollars available to charity shrink faster, including those dollars earmarked for the Sisters of St. Francis. If all companies in the U.S. were forced to operate according to some arbitrary social agenda, rather than for profit, all American companies would operate at a disadvantage to their foreign competitors, all Americans would become less well off (some laid off), and charitable giving would decline precipitously. Making Americans poorer and reducing charitable giving in order to force companies to follow an arbitrary social agenda is fundamentally wrong.

That's pretty much what happened.

150 upvotesIll_mumble_that5 years ago

The main reason is that most companies strive to stay in business.

-16 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

yeah, feminists should not be allowed to data attractive guys, based solely on the fact that the guy is attractive.

Holy fuck, do you guys even consider that fault in your logic before posting?

8 upvotesyummyluckycharms5 years ago

Your missing the crux of the argument.....

Person A says that they are looking for a man to have this key feature, then goes and dates someone who totally doesnt have it.

When Person A preaches that she should all do one thing, but then does the opposite, its called hypocrisy

-9 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

Show me where she has said that. Also prove this guy doesn't have it.

She is calling for equality, Saying she can't date someone because of his appearance is the exact opposite of equality.

5 upvotesyummyluckycharms5 years ago

She just petioned askmen.com for men to raise their boys as feminists.....

Secondly, she isnt calling for equality, she's calling for one half of the population to work harder than the other half and to join her cause. If she was calling for equality, why isnt she working with MRA or other balanced organizations insteading of trying to pull men organizations towards her and away from the middle?

-7 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

A feminist is someone who believes in equality for all sexes. There is nothing wrong with that request. I'm a man, and a feminist.

Who is she asking to work harder? Please provide a quote for that.

8 upvotesyummyluckycharms5 years ago

A feminist doesnt believe in equality of the sexes - something that the leading thinkers of the movement have stated repeatedly.

Feminism is an ideology of bigotry and hatred towards men, which believes that women are oppressed by a fictional invisible social construct called the partriarchy. Again, at no point does feminism advocate for equality of the sexes.

Furthermore, iIf feminists believed in equality, they would be joining MRA and other social groups in the middle of the political spectrum working towards a fairer legal system and removing barriers based on gender. They arent doing this

Lastly, she wants men to cross the spectrum and join her in her efforts, and does so repeatedly in her speech with phrases such as ""I want men to take up this mantle" and so on. The question is - why can't she cross the floor and join organizations that are already fighting for equality?

2 upvoteszpatriarchy5 years ago

ooh a male feminist. just stahp.

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

No one's saying that, you douche. They're merely pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in a woman saying "all men should be nice little betas" then goes and suck the cock of an alpha.

-15 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

No, she is saying everyone should be equal. Alpha, beta, or fucking zeta. Everybody should be given the same chances. So what if she dates an attractive guy? What is she supposed to do, hang out at Harry Potter conventions and only date neckbeards that only think of her as a character she played as a child?

42 upvotesnicethingyoucanthave5 years ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again: TRP isn't about changing women or the world. It's not even about criticizing women. It's about understanding them.

If women were out there fucking the pasty-white math nerds, then every thread on TRP would be about how to learn calculus.

I honestly don't care if women like tall guys or short guys or confident guys or shy guys or smart guys or dumb guys. Women can like whatever they want. But having learned that women like tall, confident, alpha, badboys - I resolve to change my behavior. I am conscious of my posture so that I look at tall and confident as possible. And I exhibit other behaviors that make me more attractive.

Note also (mostly for the idiot blue pillers who lurk here): it's really not useful to me that a tiny minority of women actually do like shy, meek, math nerds. If I happen to meet such a girl, I will happily adjust my approach. You (you idiot blue pillers) waste everyone's time when you say that, and you give false hope to betas - which is frankly kind of a mean thing to do.

1 upvotesthrowaway-aa25 years ago

which is frankly kind of a mean thing to do.

That's what gets me. These people are basically assholes, they don't give a FUCK WHO they hurt. They don't care about logic

13 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Others have said it but getting men to show their feelings and express their vulnerability is just a way to aid in filtering out the unsuitable men. Don't fall for it.

1 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

Or to produce useful beta orbiters. I've never found that women "hate" beta's - they love betas. They just don't want to sleep with them at all. They find them very very useful and comforting though, as long as there's sex involved.

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14 upvotesspaced865 years ago

Did anyone notice that she claims feminism has become a dirty word, but doesn't actually bother to investigate why. Could it be that where there is smoke there is fire? Oh no, not in the case of feminism. Definitely a purely holy and virtuous undertaking where all fault lies among the men in society, as per usual.

Excuse me people, but I need to go puke.

6 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

Lol, these half truths are always amusing.

Feminism has an image problem!...that comes from an accurate view of what feminism is doing.

It's like saying the Klu Klux Klan has an image problem...well no kidding.

10 upvotesRed_Shirt_Blue_Pants5 years ago

Just read through the first couple paragraphs on HeForShe. Its like one huge joke. There is so much hypocrisy even the fucking mission statement....no EVEN THE NAME tells the truth. I cam't believe the masses are taking this seriously

11 upvotesdro135 years ago

I as a man will be vulnerable and sensitive when you can get up in front of the UN without doing your hair and make up

1 upvotesGods_Work5 years ago

that's a fair deal. Entertaining this thought is fun

1 upvotesthrowaway-aa25 years ago

yo I LOVE RedPill man... saying the hard hitting shit that NO ONE would ever even entertain....

35 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

tl;dr famous bitch put on a suit and says some silly stuff in a conference where they clap to her, goes back to living the rich and famous life because she can.

meanwhile at the same university as her bf, some skinnyfaat guy and his fat whalt "gf" (great friend) actually listen to that stuff this is why the UN actually cares to put such shows up.

footnote : to whoever promised to deliver the relevant 'information' on her, deliver.

17 upvotesmalthuswaswrong5 years ago

If 4chan actually had nudes of EW they'd already be released.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

The nudes were a viral media hoax.

44 upvotesIswearbyapollo5 years ago

Are we actually surprised that "gina tingles" and hampstering trumps what a woman says?

The words/promises/vows/exhortations of a woman are not worth the stale air she exhales making them. Accept it, cute as she is, she is the same jangled bag of fucked up urges, hormones and bullshit they all are, just in a more aesthetically pleasing package.

38 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Are we actually surprised that "gina tingles" and hampstering trumps what a woman says?

Only surprised that it's reached the level of the UN.

18 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

The UN extorts money from the world pandering what ever BS they can. Of course they're going to parade women up there to get money for poor women around the world then do nothing.

5 upvotessweetleef5 years ago

Of course they're going to parade women up there to get money for poor women around the world then do nothing.

That's an unfair accusation. That money goes to fund tens of thousands of expensed gourmet meals, hotels, private jet flights, escorts, coke dealers, and construction projects granted to family and friends.

3 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

I mean do nothing helpful for the world. ;)

6 upvotesAdach5 years ago

it's pretty "in" right now, just wait for the next presidential election

5 upvotesHoodwink5 years ago

If Hill-dog is actually nominated - it's going to be interesting to see how they spin her loss.

I'm betting they will blame the nearest man (either the vice presidential candidate or Obama) for the loss.

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5 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

Just console yourself by looking forward to the day when feminist can no longer whine about how now woman has ever been president, and have to admit that a woman wasn't any better at the job than men.

You must be new to feminism, lol. They'll just continue to blame "the patriarchy" for creating a systematic bla bla bla.

Recently their tactic to say that men dieing in wars doesn't matter is to say that women couldn't join the army, but they were held back by an oppressive patriarchy - otherwise women would have been beating down the door to get shot in the face for low pay!

2 upvotesHoodwink5 years ago

I don't doubt Clinton will be the next president if she is nominated. The problem is getting nominated - she is more to the right than Obama. She can't really claim the progressives or any populist stances. It's going to be FEMINISM and WOMAN PRESIDENT and maybe she'll try to be SUPER TOUGH GIRL ON ISIS/ISIL. The pandering will be obvious and she has an air of deceit to everything she says. So, a genuinely good candidate with cash will have a good chance.

Also, Democrats played the 'minority' card already. They might be a lot less enthusiastic about the next one. The only problem is that the male vote will probably be split on purpose by strategists.

12 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

Why do you think so highly of the UN? It's mostly a joke organization that burns money.

5 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Her position is very prestigious - there are people who work their entire lives towards such a position and never achieve it.

By speaking at the UN, she has the ear of the entire world.

5 upvoteskorewarp5 years ago

I used to think that the UN was a great idea. But when 5(?) super powerful nations can veto ANYTHING, then it just becomes a stale joke.

11 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

Really? I think the idea of the UN itself is a disaster, not only the present implementation. A central authority with power over the whole world, what could go wrong?

10 upvotesxu855 years ago

I'm not a regular or even occasional contributor to TRP, I just find it it delicious that any time some 'feminist drama' comes up in the MSM somewhere, I just know other elements of reddit (SRS, SRD) lurk TRP to see what people are saying about it.

TRP is the sub that reddit loves to hate.

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Yeah, I see no less than two threads referencing this one in TBP.

9 upvoteskick65 years ago

I, for one, find this hilarious.

6 upvotesraceAround1265 years ago

I worked with a guy years ago who went through a pretty mad divorce. Details aside, there was apparently a time where he happened to open up to two of his workmates (ladies) who he'd known for 10+ years and who offered the proverbial shoulder to cry on.

IT was interesting that, after this event, a lot of the women at that place referred to him constantly as "creepy" and "I wouldn't want to be alone with him" suggesting he was not trustworthy to be alone with. As all of this would batter him and he became more reclusive, the "creepier" women thought he was.

All because he let down his guard, broke his gender stereotype and did exactly as these women wanted.

This is just an International shit test of epic proportions. Lets see what men will take this advice, break frame, and expose themselves as betas.

Welp, I know what I'm doing. Tomorrow, hitting the gym, Friday... a random fuck, I think!

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

This is the story I hear over and over again, both online and in real life.

I'm not falling for the "feel free to be vulnerable and emotional" trick again.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Never again. I dont have any emotions, sorry.

20 upvotesAzothlike5 years ago

Of all the feminist harpies out there, Emma isn't so bad. She admits the flaws in feminism, even to go so far as to say "We are searching for a word to unite us", etc etc.

But her platform is one of social perception and stigma, so it's pretty useless. People have been free to act how they want for millenia, and they have chosen to act this way time and time again.

23 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Time will tell, though I think she might be even worse.

She acknowledges the issues that men face, then tries to recruit men to the feminist cause which does nothing and will continue to do nothing for men.

The whole name of the campaign, "HeForShe", indicates exactly what she stands for.

15 upvotesDream4eva5 years ago

Exactly, how can you acknowledge in one sentence that we need a word to unite us and in the next tout a slogan which places the onus on men to ensure equality.

The whole movement is inherently anti-feminist. 'heforshe' takes away responsibility from women. 'heforshe' want men to do the work in a movement where its foundations come from self empowerment of women and women liberating themselves.

2 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

Having men do the work is anti-feminist?. Last time I checked feminist support alimony.

2 upvotesAzothlike5 years ago

I agree on some points. I still feel it's the "lesser of two evils", in comparison to what we're usually confronted with(rape-culture screaming harpies, etc).

I still feel that "men have suffered unfair emotional expectations of them and we should end it", while half-hearted and bullshit, is much closer to the reality of "men have suffered legal and physical inequality in many ways and we should end those" than any other contender that crazy feminists will align with, at the moment.

At the VERY LEAST, a public figure openly admitting to the bad image of feminism is enough to rightfully shame some of it.

Time will tell if the message swings back towards solipsistic demands or not, of course.

2 upvotesscum1015 years ago

To be fair, her speech is aimed at all nations and societies. Unlike many westerns society, where feminism has become something more then equality of gender, many countries have a long way to go in terms of woman's right. I honestly despise feminism in north america, but i know there are places in this world where i fully support the feminist movement.

I think we all agree on the need for equal opportunity between sexes. But that has long been achieved in the western world. Unfortunately the feminist movement here has gradually turned into a "woman supremacy" movement, conflicted between their poor understanding of gender differences and needs. That's why her speech seems so irrelevant to us.

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I agree with what you're saying, and it should also be pointed out that many countries have a long way to go in terms of men's rights as well. Look at the men being trafficked in the fishing industry or the boys working as slaves for cocoa production on the Ivory Coast. To call a program for gender equality "HeForShe" is almost insulting.

6 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago

Yeah, that's the thing. In those countries where women have things horrible, feminism pointedly leaves out that men also have things horribly.

It's like when those schoolgirls got kidnapped and the president got involved - before that these guys had been kidnapping or killing boys, and nobody cared enough for it to be an issue. Women were treated exactly like they've always been treated - as the gender who's lives are considered more valuable than men's.

In countries where women are brutalized by invading armies, often those same armies kidnap boys and force them to fight in battle - or die. I've read that they will force the boys to fight each other to the death - the loser is dead, the winner it's part of his forced indoctrination into their army.

Their are shitty things happening in the world. But usually if they're happening to women, their is an equivalent happening even worse to men.

9 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

She's probably worse. Let's take an evaluation of her so far.

Her life is unique because her parents were smart in raising her. So she grew up comfortable but didn't have access to her money more than a $75 a week. While her parents had her money go into savings. She does films, voice acting, & modeling.

So now she's worth $60 million USD.

She's always been comfortable and now lives very well in a pent house that probably costs more than I'll ever make in one life time. She is used to being around power players. She's very appealing on every level. Looks, her voice, & she's smart. Doors have just opened for her. Lastly she has good genes, she'll be looking good into her late 30s possibly 40s if she properly cares for her skin.

This is not the kind of person that should be lecturing anyone.

8 upvotesYouDislikeMyOpinion5 years ago

lives very well in a pent house that probably costs more than I'll ever make in one life time.

No. Fuck that noise that you can't do it. You can do it.

9 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

She spent $15.5 million on a NYC pent house. To hell with that, I want nothing to do with living in NYC.

I'm going to buy a water front house on some land in the country. So I can be left alone and enjoy life. Even more so if I ever have kids. I now dislike living so close to Chicago and both suburb and more so city people irritate me.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I lived in the heart of Chicago and I loved to chaos of everyday life. I grew up in the country and hated the isolation. To each his own.

1 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

See that's the difference, I've lived in Southern California and now Chicago area growing up with the chaos while every so often getting a taste of country life. Now of course I want to live near a decent town & hospital. I will absolutely miss being able to go out at midnight or later to get a Chicago Italian beef.

I want some space of my own so I can be left alone. I'm tired of the pigs throwing their trash around the street. I don't want to listen to assholes blaring loud obscenity ridden garbage they call music at all hours.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

It was definitely loud in Andersonville but Rogers park was silent at night. But I lived right by Loyola university so that was why. 5 mins north it's gunshots every night. What area did you live in? If south or west side I totally understand lol

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

It was definitely loud in Andersonville but Rogers park was silent at night. But I lived right by Loyola university so that was why. 5 mins north it's gunshots every night. What area did you live in? If south or west side I totally understand lol

11 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

She doesn't admit the problems of feminism at all. She thinks feminism has an image problem, and furthermore an image problem that stems from sources outside Feminism.

2 upvotesRedPill1155 years ago


I could find what she said interesting if she was saying "the problem with feminism is that there's man hating in there that shouldn't be there".

1 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

What are you referring to when you say "this way"? What way?

1 upvotesAzothlike5 years ago

Men and women have chosen to adopt their stereotypical social and emotional gender roles(Men as stoic/strong/rational/science-driven providers, women as emotional/nurturing/family-oriented caregivers) time and time again, in societies across time and territory.

In short, men have chosen to be strong, and women have chosen to be sensitive, to paraphase Emma's speech that women should feel free to be strong and men should feel free to be sensitive.

5 upvotesValendr0s5 years ago

The article you're quoting sounds like a Rita Skeeter article about Hermonie dating Victor Krum.

4 upvotesGayLubeOil5 years ago

If anything is a harmful prescribed gender stereotype its: Strong Independent Woman®

62 upvotesguest1215 years ago

C'mon, who the fuck would you expect her to date? With her SMV? Of course she would go for the top. Because she can.

60 upvotesTRPsubmitter5 years ago

You're missing the point. We all know women prefer to date alphas.

The point of this post is that WHILE she dates alphas, she is also being disingenuous in telling men that "being alpha doesn't matter! let down your guard!"

Many inexperienced guys fall prey to this; they think that by becoming "supportive allies" and by following what women say (speeches such as this), that women will respond to them and like them.

However, reality is that women TELL men to be vulnerable and to "redefine masculinity" because that maintains womens' beta orbiters. Then they go on to date the same alphas they would in the first place.

So the TL;DR is that women are often disingenuous in the "advice" they give to men about redefining masculinity. It's redefining it for THEIR benefit not ours. Cause they will still go after the same dudes.

9 upvotestriangleman835 years ago

Ok so would you call what Emma is doing some kind of massively broadcast shit test? Not that she has the need to vet millions of men, but it would essentially add to her beta orbiter count. I can see how lots of women do this on the smaller scale too, as in on facebook.

  1. Girl posts status update complaining about her current alpha fux not appreciating her in some way (duh he's an alpha)

  2. Beta orbiters come out from the woodwork to give support.

  3. Any new names that support her are added to her beta orbiter list, never to be considered for fux.

5 upvotesMarcusDavidson5 years ago

She is paid to be the "Women's Goodwill Ambassador for the UN". Some PR agency wrote the script. She just parroted the words.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I swear the red pill is a cheat code for life. I remember white knighting women in the past on social media and was completely ignored, sometimes blocked. Once I said to a girl "he's out there Fuckin other bitches because you are worthless." this bitch messaged me with a very flirtatious message: "you think you're so smart don't you."

Amazing. If you are an asshole, you are alpha fux.

I remember ome girl I was seeing earlier this year and she was a real whore. She stopped seeing me and I decided to beg her to come back (this was pre TRP). She was always on fb so she was ignoring me while talking about parties and festivals. So after like a month I sent her a text, "I heard what you did @ xyz's party last night. Dodged that bullet, you worthless whore lol" woke up next morning, had 14 text messages from her.

Be an asshole and they will respond

2 upvotesjcrpta5 years ago

I don't think it's anywhere near as thought through as that.

Women are very social creatures (by which I mean "they crave to be accepted as part of a group", not "they like to go out drinking with their friends every night"), and as such very much aware of what society thinks.

We know what happens when someone publicly dissents from the socially acceptable view - hell, we see rp ideas absolutely buried and proponents crucified if they so much as breathe the word "red". And society is very clear on what you're supposed to think and say about what women want in a man, while being extremely tolerant of women doing the exact opposite.

So, what does a socially aware girl who's been engaged by the UN to tell society what to think say? Well, what do you think she's going to say? It ain't gonna be "To hell with men who are in touch with their feelings, give me a rugby player any day".

2 upvotesguest1215 years ago

My point was that there should be no surprise for the folks here. Maybe for other guys, but not for those in this sub.

17 upvotesTRPsubmitter5 years ago

True, but it's a good thing to point out. I saw way too much "wow, Emma watson is acknowledging some flaws in feminism" as if she's on our side or something like that. More dangerous is her little bit about "men are being told to 'man up' and it's okay to be vulnerable", because some guys will see that and be like "wow, i'm so relieved!"

I think it's still important to point out that the "advice" she's giving is totally wrong and fool's gold, even though it seems enticing.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

He's not missing the point. He's supporting it.

135 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Who I expect her to date depends on whether I listen to her words or TRP theory. Looks like TRP theory wins this time.

Also, I don't think fame adds much to a woman's SMV besides (1) having tons of publicity photos that makes her look perfect, and (2) bragging rights for the guy.

A great relevant comment from Chateau Heartiste's blog: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/how-super-alpha-males-are-similar-to-hot-babes/

Women, would you rather date Paul Walker (pre-dead, of course) or a watier that looked exactly like Paul Walker?

Men, would you rather date Scarlett Johanssen, or a waitress that looked exactly like Scarlett Johanssen?

...and the answers to these questions demonstrate one of the fundamental differences between women and men.

36 upvotesthe99percent15 years ago

you are looking from a male perspective.. where male celebrities don't care who they date.

women on the other hand rarely date down. This oxford schlub has got his life set.. all he needs to say is I used to fuck Emma Watson and the girls will go into a feeding frenzy.

4 upvoteswatersign5 years ago

he was probably banging all the girls before emma came along and will continue to do so after

29 upvotesjmg835 years ago

Easy. The waitress who looks exactly like the hot famous chick. A) I don't need motherfuckers like TMZ looking into my business. B) People will say Scarlett is carrying me, even if I don't accept a penny of her money C) Even if I had money, as in I won the lottery and met SJ a day later by chance, I'm not into the whole Hollywood lifestyle. My friend once told me that when SJ visits London, she stays in an 18k a night hotel. Assuming this is true, as a guy who's never had much money, I can't imagine such extravagance. Scarlett, a woman my age who's been a movie star since she was a teenager, probably doesn't think twice about such things. Her waitress doppelganger, on the other hand, is more likely to know where I'm coming from.

9 upvotesISODAK5 years ago

This was roughly my thought as well. SJ is likely to be full of herself, while a waitress will be more likely to see you as having higher SMV.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Agreed. It's not even really an ego thing on my part, it's just that things that would be a big deal to me are taken completely for granted by Hollywood stars. A lot of other people my age are struggling to make ends meet, pay off mortgages, etc. Scarlett Johnasson could outright buy most houses around here by just doing a fucking TV commercial. When I look back at the shit I've had to do in life like bullshitting my way into gigs for cheaper or for free, going to X supermarket instead of y to save money, waking up earlier and commuting the long way to work because it's 50% cheaper, tricks for travelling on trains for free, smuggling drinks into nightclubs, surviving on a pittance and a shitload lot of other things. A movie star just. wouldn't. get it. We'd basically have very little in common. This isn't to say she's not a nice woman, To return to the earlier example made by another poster, the Paul Walker clone who works as a bartender would make a nice mantoy for most women, but they'd start to see themselves as better than him. Hell, they'd choose the real Paul Walker (if he still lived) over his minimum wage clone for the exact reasons that most men would chose the waitress lookalike over the celebrity, which tells you all you need to know about men and women.

3 upvotesISODAK5 years ago

True about differences. Thought now that I think about it, one thing I've heard about actors is they tend to have a lot of charisma, and are a lot of fun to talk to (even for the non-celebrity-obsessed like myself). So I guess it's worth pointing out that there's more than looks: I'm sure SJ would beat the waitress in general social skills and knowing how to be sexy. But as someone else pointed out, she can be trained.

SJ would probably be more fun in the short run, but waitress wins long-term.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I don't know if this is the same place, if it is, I stand corrected.

4 upvoteszulhadm5 years ago

The place I listed is the most exclusive. So if it's another place it's probably cheaper

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I'll be damned if I'm going to have the media attacking me when I come out of the grocery store. Fuck that mess. I don't know how celebrities deal with that... oh wait cos $

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Yeah, I guess the money softens the blow. It comes down to whether you think it's worth it or not.

50 upvotesvandaalen5 years ago

This is something most women do not understand. I don't give a shit about your achievements, career, knowledge or degrees.

I will inevitably have to teach you how to be an appropriate woman, so I might as well teach you all the rest as well while I am at it.

You've got a career going? Well, giod for you and I surely appreciate that you've got goals. Does it change your attraction to me in any way? Hell no.

23 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I don't think its fair to say we don't care at all. Because someone with those academic achievements will likely be more intelligent and men do value intelligence.

But what we don't care about is fame. I think most men would actually prefer the complete opposite of fame, whatever that is.

30 upvotesvandaalen5 years ago

I don't think that an academic degree and intelligence behave proportional.

With today's educational system a degree solely prooves that you are able to memorize and things and echo pre-digestes knowledge.

Also for matters of attraction and SMV intelligence is not a necessary trait. Just look how many successful high-SMV men have total dipshits by their side and seem to be completely happy.

It might be a trait that you are looking for if you conciously want to start a family, but for a plate I don't care if her IQ is next to potatoe.

17 upvotesdamnyouresickbro5 years ago

Ding ding ding we have a winner. Degrees and how well you do in school only show how intelligent you are to an extent. Was talking to a girl that probably will get into medical school but had the mentality of a teenager. Social smarts and books smarts differ completely.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I completely agree.

IQ in women is only important for breeding purposes. However, that can be done without marriage (surrogacy + buying eggs + genetic engineering), so spin plates potatoes to your hearts content!

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

The word you're looking for is anonymity and I agree. A famous woman wouldn't be very available. It'd be a part-time relationship

2 upvotescolovick5 years ago

Infamy, but you mean we prefer low profile women. If you date a celebrity, some of her spotlight rubs off on you. And for better or worse, that makes everything you do more widely known

2 upvotessailorJery5 years ago

Infamy is not the opposite of famous.

1 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

We really don't, just remember the bitches Tiger Woods was fucking, some real sleazy ho's but we like that shit once in a while. Remember the perkins waitress he was fuckin? she was shit but we creatures of convenience and is a okay looking chick massages your ego a bit most of us would fuck her.(not saying date, just sex)

6 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

"Men build from the bottom up, Women build from the TOP Down."-Patrice Oneal talking about how men and women approach relationships. ie: we can build a dumb bitch who looks good into something, a women will not take a bum and make him into something because he looks good.

8 upvotesa_nus5 years ago

A group of girls I hangout with were saying Drake is hot. I told them to pretend he wasn't famous for a moment. Picture him not being a celebrity, is he still hot? They all said no. Some even said "hm, interesting" after consciously realizing their own subconscious. Others just hamstered away.

5 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

Patrice Oneal had a hilarious point abouta womens SMV (I'm guessing that means her value beside looks?). Patrice goes "A famous fat ugly guy can get pussy cause he's famous, a fat bitch who famous is still just a fat bitch, Precious (the fat black chick from that movie) anit getting dick now because shes famous.... Oprah has the same pussy as the bitch from Mcdonalds."

12 upvotessweetleef5 years ago

Men, would you rather date Scarlett Johanssen, or a waitress that looked exactly like Scarlett Johanssen?

Is there a third option?

3 upvotesTaylorWolf5 years ago

My jiu jitsu coach Eddie Bravo puts social/sexual hierarchy like this

1 famous women 2 famous men 3 women 4 men

He says men will do anything for a woman, and famous women like Angelina Jolie can put famous men under her

It does seem like this is the norm to me, except I realize that TRP is exactly how a man can rise above a woman in rare cases. Justin Timberlake for example fucked like 20-30 famous women with household names.

6 upvotestheozoph5 years ago

My jiu jitsu coach Eddie Bravo

Great humblebrag. ;)

But really, it's cool, Eddie is a pretty chill guy, if what I've heard of him on the Joe Rogan podcast is any indication.

1 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

I agree but not totally. The highest position on the social/sexual hierarchy are powerful/dangerous men. If John Gotti and Angelina Jolie are both waiting to get in your club who are you letting in first. Also Eddie and you live in LA where shit in fuckin 100% about hot chicks and money where NYC where I'm from is more about power.

2 upvotesdeaduponaviral5 years ago

Yes classic tale of the king marrying the farm girl. Princesses only mary princes though.

2 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

I don't know. I think there are certainly guys out there who would go for the bragging rights.

You're premise is correct, though. Social status of one's partner matters a hell of a lot less for men than for women.

2 upvotesusernameson5 years ago

I wish I could give you a thousand upvotes for that one.

18 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Napoleon dynamite,

He is so sensitive.

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Napoleon is not amused: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmqXIUgsrP8

Edit: not calling you an idiot.

20 upvotesIswearbyapollo5 years ago

No argument there. But since she is a woman, no one should expect her words and actions to align in any sort of approximation of reality or consistency.

10 upvotesFred_Flintstone5 years ago

I was surprised by this; he is not anywhere near the top. Being a good looking rugby player at Oxford is nothing, plus he is 3 years younger than her. Being high status in Oxford is great for getting hottt Oxford girls as its basically a bubble and people don't date outside of their uni there; but Watson is on the international scene.

She is 24 so should consider dating the top men in the world in the next couple years and stop fucking around!

22 upvotesguest1215 years ago

Really? The way I see it the girl is having fun with a good looking dude. That he is wanted by other girls makes it even better. She is during the "fun" times in her life. Settling down is for much later.

9 upvotesFred_Flintstone5 years ago

Yeah I did a little reading and she is actually an Oxford student now. Makes sense for her to date this guy while finishing her degree

5 upvotesThanksRoissy5 years ago

Anyone want to venture guesses that she'll be ready to settle down anywhere between 27-33? Maybe with her genes she'll press on another 5 years?

19 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

She'll probably end up marrying royalty like Grace Kelly or a hedge fund manager like Chelsea Clinton.

7 upvotesAlfredTheGreatest5 years ago

When you're as rich as Emma you don't need any beta bucks. He's super hot and super high-status. Makes perfect sense to me.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

The guy has a full beard, almost two meters tall, ripped... he looks like he's late 20's. It's not oabput how old you are, it's about how old you LOOK.

It's. All. Just. Looks.

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3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I wasn't whining, I'm fairly good looking and do just fine with women. I'm just pointing out a fact that if a girl likes you I highly doubt its your personality.

2 upvotesmrheh5 years ago

Wrong dude, you can talk your way out of pussy easily even if you are attractive. Women believe it or not aren't as shallow as men are when it comes to looks, why? Because men are bigger than out looks, women aren't. We learn to be charming, funny, witty, intelligent, well spoken and other things all in order to get pussy. Women simple have to stay in shape. Now an attractive man will get on average more then a unattractive man but A confident man will get the most. We've all seen hot girls with ugly dudes and say wtf? and when we ask she always says "there's just something about him" Woman dont have that ability. When do you ever see a great looking male with a fat, ugly, but funny or intelligent women? Never because our values are different.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Macaulay Culkin???

Culkin was a handsome dude, and not to mention internationally famous, back when Mila was a run-of-the-mill TV actress.

Once she got more famous, she upgraded.

1 upvotesLister-Cascade5 years ago

he is not anywhere near the top. Being a good looking rugby player at Oxford is nothing

That isn't even close to making sense.

2 upvoteswatersign5 years ago

yeah, that comment was dumb as fuck

1 upvotesFred_Flintstone5 years ago

is nothing relative to the networks of malemodelhedgefundmanagers a top addresses/celebrity moves between

2 upvotesLister-Cascade5 years ago

There aren't many that can match the looks/intelligence. Although in my opinion he isn't particularly good looking (face wise).

1 upvotesthe99percent15 years ago

exactly.. she's a fucking celebrity.. how many celebrities in the world end up dating some fucking local uni lad 3 years your junior! wtf..

8 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

She's in college with this guy. So she's dating one of the top studs in the college micro-chasm "having fun." Her previous BF was a model from the same modeling company she had a contract with.

She has great genes so she'll last into her late 30s. In five years she will be dating some wealthy guy looking to get married.

3 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

Really he SMV is high? I don't find her attractive, and her job doesn't do shit for me sexually.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

her job doesn't do shit for me sexually

It does for a lot of guys, though.

1 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

Guys trains to think and act like women by feminized society.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

Nope. Just guys who want to say that they banged Hermione.

-4 upvotesLastRevision5 years ago

Glad someone else said this. I don't find her attractive in the least, and with her attitude? Yuck. This guy is supposedly a male 10? What a white knight, blue pill sucker. I'd be living the life with multiple HB09 plates.

6 upvotesJaereth5 years ago

I'd be living the life with multiple HB09 plates.

Who says he's not? You never know what I guy has on the side.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

With her SMV?

Truth be told, her SMV is not that high. Judging by those pictures that is. He is at least 3 grades above her.

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3 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

I don't believe that females career has any bearing on her smv, men don't select mates for financial security etc.

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

would you date a 9 or 10 over Emma Watson? I think that's a hard question to answer. I mean obviously she is hot but the fact that she's Emma fucking Watson makes it a different ball game

5 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

I don't find her pretty and I never liked Harry Potter so I honestly don't see the appeal.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

People see her as being unattainable, that's the appeal. I just see her as a posh girl who happens to be famous.

3 upvotessalami_inferno5 years ago

The appeal would be preselection. Even if you personally don't find her attractive, dating her would open doors full of pussy for you.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Depends on how 9 or 10 acted. Even if I were into her and she were into me, I wouldn't date Emma Watson because of the inevitable public scrutiny. I value my privacy too much.

1 upvotesIswearbyapollo5 years ago

Pick the prettiest of the rare "well behaved" women, not the best behaved of the prettiest women. There is a huge distinction, with a lifetime of pain for those who fail to understand the distinction.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

Exactly. The fact that she is fucking Hermione is enough to make her automatically a 10 in a lot of people's books. Guaranteed there are guys all around the world jacking off to her right now.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

This is different, though. It's not just a career. She is a fucking fantasy for a lot of guys. For most male Harry Potter fans, she is automatically a 10 just for being fucking Hermione. Dudes around the world are jacking off to her as we speak.

1 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Celebrity status does though.

3 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

You think so? As a man dating a celebrity automatically puts you in the bitch position. You don't wanna be KFed.

5 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

He's a college athlete in the UK. She is an international actress, voice actress, & model.

He probably could date a woman who is better looking than Emma right now. The difference is Emma opens all kinds of doors, especially in England. Dating her is a smart career move. It also helps his smv later when she's moved on.

-2 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Somebody forgot to tell Brad Pitt. KFed is KFed and he was dating Spears, that's not really comparable to dating Watson.

0 upvotesdirtboxchampion5 years ago

Agreed about careers and SMV, but celebrity isn't a career.

3 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

For her it is. She's an actress, voice actress, & model. That's a lot of open doors. Making a good impression and handing out business cards through doors like that can get your a comfortable future.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

actually Emma is executing a great strategy. Now, if naturally beta men are allowed to show their true vulnerability, it will be easier for women to screen the natural alphas from the betas.

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23 upvotescooltrip5 years ago

"Emma Watson says, "Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes" as she dates an alpha male jock"

Red Pill, you really need to improve your analyzing skills:

1º) Feminism comprises the female sexual right (... to respond: "No, I don't want to have sex with you"). Where on Earth does it say this female sexual right contradicts the female hypergamous preference for alpha? Women use their feminist sexual right to respond "No, I don't want to have sex with you" for rejecting betas. Feminism fights oppressionTM, don't forget.

2º) Feminism says women are not inferior. Where on Earth does it say that statement contradicts the female hypergamous preference for alpha? Feminism means "women are not inferior to inferior men (betas) ". You think women are stupid?. Tangentially, feminists use their gender equality claim for demanding bux from inferior men (betas).

3º) What if Emma is dating an alpha? women don't use feminism for rejecting alphas, but for rejecting betas. It's their right, it's their freedom, it's their hypergamy, and it's their feminism, right?

4º) In short: "feminism is not incompatible with female hypergamous preference for alpha; feminism is an ideological catalog women use for rejecting beta semen and demanding beta bux. Because it's women's freedom, it's women's right, and it's women's preferences. Feminism is the female agenda for institutionalizing "Alpha fux-beta bux" ".

Don't underestimate female ancestral intelligence about males. You guys think you are winning but women were winning all the fucking time. You can win women about science, technology and progress, but not about men and man rank; cause it's women's survival. Alpha fux, beta Nobels.

2 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

It looks to me as if you and OP are in agreement. OP posted this only as proof that all of what you said above is true.

6 upvotesmasonpowers965 years ago

It's the opposite. The destruction of the masculine man is one of feminism's objective. You should lurk more cause you're talking nonsense. Learn what feminism actually is and where it came from.

1 upvotescooltrip5 years ago

Yeah, you see how Emma's UN'ish feminism chose a bald scrawny impoverished poet so she could destruct masculine men.

Show me where is that huge online statistics of women feminists revealing they don't prefer masculine men.

1 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

I think he is actually correct. Not even women believe they will be successful with feminism and are just letting go of weak minded men. I don't think they believed they would be as successful as they have been.

3 upvotesRollo-Tomassi5 years ago

I'll just leave this here:


4 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Looks like it is getting serious between them. Maybe he does have a sensitive side after all.

The 24-year-old actress looked stylish even as she carried out the manual labour, wearing jeans, a black sweater, and comfy trainers, with her hair in a top knot.

I can feel my IQ dropping as I read...

3 upvotesshlomif5 years ago

Sorry, but that sounds like a big Ad-hominem attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem - how does Watson’s choices in her personal life necessarily invalidate the contents of her words?

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago


This is a fallacy:

  1. George says we should wear raincoats.
  2. George doesn't wear a raincoat.
  3. Therefore, we shouldn't wear raincoats.

This isn't.

  1. George says we should wear raincoats.
  2. George doesn't wear a raincoat.
  3. Therefore, we shouldn't trust George.

The former is an argument about wearing raincoats. The latter is an argument about George's character.

We're saying:

  • Emma is preaching that men should not be trapped in their gender roles but she dates a manly man who is very typical of his gender role, so she's a hypocrite.
  • Emma has said nothing to prove that women would love to date sensitive and vulnerable men, so her argument is weak anyway.
  • Emma is part of a majority of women who encourage men to be vulnerable but date manly men, which proves that women like traditionally manly men.
1 upvotesshlomif5 years ago

Fine, so Emma Watson is a "hypocrite". If I were her, I would embrace this newfound label and say "I'm a hypocrite and damn proud of it. Here's a nickel, kid - but yourself a candy."

As someone who took some criticisms to his advantage - see http://www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/#rindolf_the_evil_reindeer and http://www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/#rindolf_aim_very_high_hitlower I think that antagonising such criticisms tends to just backfires. (I also wrote fun stuff about Grammar Nazism.

Anyway, carrying the "hypocrite" label doesn't make Emma any less of an amazing, beautiful, wonderful, awesome/smashing/cool person, whom I have a lot of respect and admiration for. I'm pretty sure her boyfriend is a very nice guy (or otherwise she would probably not be dating him as she does get first choice), and I wish them the best of luck in their relationship.

Just for the record, we cannot rule out that her boyfriend has a sensitive side to him. I recently talked with a very nice lady on Facebook who: 1. Has a My Little Pony ponies on her facebook page. 2. Is drawing technical diagrams for a living. 3. Looked really sexy in a photo of her with a red shirt and glasses; and — 4. Recently got a new belt in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekwondo . Male IDF soldiers have been known to cry during funerals, and some of the toughest U.S. male and heterosexual combat fighters, love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

We live in interesting (and amazing) times where the lines between what is considered masculine and what is considered feminine are blurred, and a person can exhibit some of both.

If you change your attitude and lookout on life and see the good in every person and every situation, then your life will really improve. Finding faults in every thing is cynicism and will only make you less happy. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shlomif/Saladin_Style .

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2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Like I said, men are free to be what they are, and women are free to reject the ones that don't live up to the male gender stereotype.

Being rejected romantically for being sensitive and vulnerable doesn't exactly encourage men to be sensitive and vulnerable.

suggests to me that you only want to be sensitive and vulnerable if it gets you laid more often

This is similar to saying that you only want to be a slacker if you get money for it. Shouldn't you be true to yourself and slack as much as your true nature desires, and not try to live up to expectations by working?

Admittedly the third point could be stated a bit better. The fact that Emma says that men should be free to cast off their gender stereotypes and then goes on to date a man who is the archetype for the gender stereotype - it isn't proof that men should stick to their gender stereotype, but it is one more data point in a sea of similar data. That's basically what I was trying to say with point #3.

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1 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Hmm, I was actually assuming that men would love to be able to show their vulnerable side to women, but they don't because they know how unattractive it is to women. Similarly, people would love to slack, but they don't because they won't get paid. That's the analogy.

3 upvotescover205 years ago

Regardless of what happens, being vulnerable and soft with a woman will not make her tingle. I have permission to be that way right now. But not the motivation.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Watch what they do, not what they say

Watch what they do, not what they say

Watch what they do, not what they say

Watch what they do, not what they say

Watch what they do, not what they say

6 upvotesPosition5hero5 years ago

Some gender stereotypes are bad too for the record. Specifically, men providing for women, showering her with gifts, beta bux, etc

Some gender stereotypes aren't Alpha.

6 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I'd say that

men providing for women, showering her with gifts, beta bux, etc

are actually a societal expectation and not a stereotype, although maybe I'm splitting hairs at this point.

If you want to see a stereotype for the ideal man, James Bond would be a good example.

4 upvotesPosition5hero5 years ago

we not splitting hairs at this point we splitting split ends

2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Glad to see my hair-splitting skills have become so good!

4 upvotesLadyLumen5 years ago

I think she's just trying to stay relevant, now that she's not in Harry Potter anymore. Pandering to what people want to hear is a good way to do that.

5 upvotesTNPgaylover5 years ago

Also notice name of moment HE FOR SHE Movement for gender equality.

Women are equal only if men do something for them.

1 upvotesthe99percent15 years ago

SHE always comes first. ALWAYS.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Females can spew whatever they want. I'm 5'5" so I need to be mire strict about my masculinity. I plan on getting tattoos, I work out to the breaking point and then I go further, focus on grooming and making that dough. Anything other than that and women see me subconsciously as a failure.

Emma Watson, you were my unicorn from age 9 til 17. But you now confirm that those don't exist. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some heavy squatting to do and a 1600 calorie protein shake to swivel down.

Oh and I'm sure her boyfriend has a great personality. Everybody just loves who he is as a person.

6 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

Why do you think tattoos are masculine? I always felt them more as femenine/hipster.

7 upvotesHAMMURABl5 years ago

with muscles= masculine/badboy, without muscles = hipster/feminine/artistic

2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

It's because the guys who used to get them were prisoners, gang members, soldiers, and other generally tough guys who had to stick together. Having a tattoo wasn't socially acceptable so you had to have a good reason to get one, and the usual reason was to show others that you were not to be messed with.

Even though it is socially acceptable to get a tattoo now, people associate tattoos with toughness.

1 upvotesgokurakumaru5 years ago

I associate them with sheep.

1 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Well these days you might be right more often than not.

6 upvotesRegentsEnd5 years ago

Never, ever, ever listen to a word women say. The only thing that matters is what they do.

It can't be said enough.

2 upvotesGods_Work5 years ago

this aint no place for no hero, emma. Just carry on with your life and don't try to change people thoughts about each other. Focus on changing their thoughts about earth and our place in the universe. Make people more environmentally aware. Make them more concious of how their shit is changing the place we live on and will want to continue living on for more than 100 years. Talk about renewable energy. Talk about laws that punish those who dont respect earth, the wildlife, and air we breathe. Damn girl, use your looks and the stereotype they bring to do something useful, not something that gets drowned when the new [insert current popular musician here] scandal/song is revealed. ugh......UGH! RATM

2 upvotesmonsieurhire25 years ago

Alphas need to go on strike against this type of shit. If some girl is hypocritically mouthing these platitudes, you say: "Okay, I'd like you to meet my friend Cadwalader; he sits in his basement and writes poetry about being a brony. Have at it."

2 upvoteswriteonbrother5 years ago

I'm sure all the Dictators listening to her speech were moved to immediately ban the wearing of burkas. The Saudi Royals will now give women the vote. Powerful stuff from Miss Watson.

2 upvotesForty_Deuce5 years ago

No, there are gender stereotypes. I Guarantee, I guaran-damn-tee that the moment the man of one of these feminist chicks falls out of his gender stereotype, they will drop him with the quickness and have no compassion. They'll say something like, "I'm just not attracted to you anymore," or "the way you're acting just isn't attractive." Why is that? Because there are fucking gender roles and there is no amount of trying to make everyone equal going to change that.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

maybe shes allowed to date who she wants?( ͡° ͜ ʖ ͡° )

4 upvotesiiMSouperman5 years ago

The minute she implied being "a man" isn't human she instantly lost the slight ounce of dignity left over.

She's a silly, naive, privileged schoolgirl who doesn't understand the shit she spews.

3 upvotesFLFTW165 years ago

She's young, dumb, and full of cum.

best comment on that article:

Exactly. And the first word that came to my mind when I read her tweet was "university". Her tweet wasn't an original thought, it's what she's been taught to say by leftwing professors. She's too young and inexperienced to know any better. She's just old enough and smart enough to repeat what she thinks she's expected to say.

But actually we call it "The Cathedral" because its adherents follow it blindly, like a religion.

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You lost me at "says". Who cares?

2 upvotestedcase5 years ago

Brilliant! If I was the type to spend money on strangers on the internet, I would give you gold for that.

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6 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I really got the feeling that she's just throwing men a bone here to encourage them to participate and help women. As far as I can tell, her speech is about how women have it worse and men should help out. Do you think the program is really going to address any of these issues?

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2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

What you say is very reasonable. Emma is a vastly more reasonable than Sarkeesian or Amanda Marcotte.

My worry is that feminism is trying to co-opt the MRM. Why have an MRM when feminism is here to address all your gender issues? In this way, Emma might be even more dangerous than a hardcore feminist.

Even Big Red addresses many MRM issues in this horrifying video, with the implication that feminism has it all figured out:


You've probably seen the U of T protest as well - there's a woman in that video who basically says, why listen to Warren Farrell when feminism has the answers?

The truth is that the MRM is forcing their hand, otherwise they would have never thrown men a bone in the first place. The MRM should continue to keep up the pressure and criticize what needs to be criticized.

The MRM exists because feminism did a very bad job addressing gender issues for men. Without the MRM, feminism would have never made any concessions, and even with the MRM, they'll continue to do a horrible job addressing men's issues, perhaps talking the talk but not walking the walk.

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3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Interesting point. The kinder, gentler feminist is certainly more appealing than the Big Red shut-the-fuck-up feminist.

However, the alternative is for there to be a small minority of angry feminists and the rest of the women not really identifying as feminists.

So do we want a big group of kinder, gentler feminists or a smaller group of angry feminists? Tough to say.

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2 upvotesFlowhill5 years ago

Definitely agree with you here.

4 upvotestedcase5 years ago

I wouldn't mind so much, but she is such a fucking catastrophically awfull actress too. I can't fathom how the hell this bimbo with an accent got so famous.

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2 upvotesjoncho5 years ago

I never got that either, I don't find her that attractive. She is cute in a non attractive way.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Everyone has an accent. Unless, of course, they can't speak.

2 upvotesIswearbyapollo5 years ago

On the other hand...


But not with that godawful haircut...

1 upvotesthe99percent15 years ago

not with that god awful man-jaw

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"She seems like a really nice and gentle person"

See that's how they getcha

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I usually refrain from commenting on these posts because the popcorn quality of their amusement is too high for me to want to be banned from this sub...but you are insane and its too hysterical not to say so!

2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

We'll take that as a compliment.

3 upvotesnopetrol5 years ago

How do we know the rugby player never displays vulnerability or sensitivity?

6 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Good question.

As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread:

It is possible to be who he is and be a vulnerable person, but not likely. "Vulnerable" is not the go-to word for a star rugby player.

1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

Maybe he does on occasion, but he can because his other qualities likely make him still perceived overall as alpha.

The problem is that she is giving terrible advice to the majority of men who are not alphas in the first place. They don't have the leeway to show many beta qualities without just making themselves look even more beta than they probably already appear.

0 upvotesthecommonreactor5 years ago

I see what you're saying, but is it really fair to call this guy an "alpha male" only because he's been described as good-looking and plays a sport? In a world where all stereotypes are true, those two things would say a lot about his personality, but he doesn't seem to be much of a public figure, so how can we really make that judgement?

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Based on those two things, he probably has to beat the bitches off him with a stick. Basically, yes he is.

-4 upvotesthecommonreactor5 years ago

Well yeah, but that's making a big assumption. I'm saying that not knowing anything about him personally makes it unfair to judge him in a certain way.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

What are you, 5? How many people do you "personally" know? We make assumptions my friend. He's banging Emma Watson, is a star rugby player, and was voted most handsome or some shit? Do you need to measure his dick before you can decide he's "Alpha" enough for your standards? Why does it matter to you anyway? Get money, fuck bitches.

1 upvotesKevyB5 years ago

Stupid bitch, always has been, always will be.

And flat like an ironing board, so who gives a shit.

7 upvotesWatermelon_Salesman5 years ago

I have not read Harry Potter, and it baffles me that redditors and men in general who were kids and teenagers when the books and films were coming out have such a soft spot for Emma Watson.

She is not a good looking woman. She really, really, really isn't. She has the body of a boy, and the jaw of Schwarzenegger. If you think she's gorgeous, then you're under Hermione's spell, not Watson's.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

It's okay she will tame him and turn him beta-bux. After all, it seems like that is her purpose.

1 upvotescali_gunner5 years ago

You can tell she's a flip for alphas. Betas need to relax with treating a 5 like a 10.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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1 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

I can sympathize, but sorry dude, you sound a bit too stereotypically butthurt. Sure, most of us will never approach this guy's SMV. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make our own lots in life as good for ourselves as possible. That's the way life works. We can't help the circumstances each of us are born into, and we all just have to make the best of what we have.

1 upvotes__var5 years ago

Is there an archive of stickies? If not, can we create one?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Except that guy is hot.

I'm not convinced that having an alpha or Beta character have a significative influence compared to being HOT or NOT (Maybe in the long terme, sure )

A sensitive hot guy would fare better than an average/ugly guy with Alpha characters. And the more you're hot, the more you are perceived Alpha anyway.

Please keep in mind that while "Alpha" or "Beta" character is not always linear, extreme, being hot or not is. The same guy can be perceived as a "sensitive" or "very shy", or just "mysterious" by different girls, while the hot guy will be perceived as hot by the majority of girls.

I don't see how your examples proves anything.

When you'll find an example of an average looking guy with "Alpha" characteristics faring better than a hot guy with less alpha characteristics, then you could score a point.

All what this prooves is that being hot is the most important thing in sentimental relationships, the rest is speculation.

1 upvotesiJJD5 years ago

So glad this is out there lol

1 upvoteshoseja5 years ago

Meh, all celebs do this.

1 upvotesTransmigratory5 years ago

Emma Watson can shut the fuck up.

I'd actually prefer it if some of these contemporary feminists actually didn't ignore how sexism affects guys. Like the dictators from AskHamsters, they'll do all they can to suppress that part of the story, secret police style.

-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Are you fucking serious? Is there a gas leak in this subreddit? THIS is your criticism of her speech? That her boyfriend is athletic? Her entire point is that gender stereotypes, i.e. how one acts, fucks with one's ability to integrate into the world. To even be capable of being emotionally expressive. Agree with her speech or not, but her point was that our world creates broken men that are demanded to be stoic by broken women fashioned by the same expectations. Not that she has be equally physically attracted to a neckbeard.

Yet, here we sit, huddled in a support group for "strong, independent, alphas". New wave feminism is ridiculous and destructive, but this type of reaction to her speech makes you look salty and inept. Nothing more.

7 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I'd scanned the speech before, but based on your comments, I went back and re-read it. You're right, it is not that long. TL;DR: I still have the same criticisms.

Today we are launching a campaign HeForShe. I am reaching out to you because we need your help. We must try to mobilize as many men and boys as possible to be advocates for change. We don’t just want to talk about it. We want to try and make sure it’s tangible. I was appointed as Goodwill Ambassador for UN Women 6 months ago.

So why are only males being mobilized?

The more I spoke about feminism, the more I realized that fighting for women’s rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. If there is one thing I know for certain is that this has to stop. For the record, feminism by definition is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. It is the theory of political, economic and social equality of the sexes.

"Feminism is great, why hate on feminism?"

The point about feminism and man-hating is a good one, and there's a reason that feminism is associated with man-hating. See: http://redditlog.com/snapshots/1017865

Note that she's using a very convenient definition of feminism - Google says: "the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men." It's a subtle difference, but note that there's no advocacy for men.

When I was 8, I was called bossy because I wanted to direct a play we would put on for our parents. When at 14, I started to be sexualized by certain elements of the media. At 15, my girlfriends started dropping out of sports teams because they didn’t want to appear masculine. At 18, my male friends were unable to express their feelings.

"This is why we need feminism, women have it worse."

I decided that I was a feminist. This seemed uncomplicated to me. But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word. Women are choosing not to identify as feminists. Apparently, [women’s expression is] seen as too strong, too aggressive, isolating, and anti-men, unattractive even.

"Feminism is great, why hate on feminism?"

Again, there's a reason feminism has become unpopular. I wrote a whole submission on it a while back. http://redditlog.com/snapshots/1017865

Why has the word become such an uncomfortable one? I think it is right I am paid the same as my male counterparts. I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body. I think it is right that women be involved on my behalf in the policies and decisions that will affect my life. I think it is right that socially, I am afforded the same respect as men.

"Feminism is great, why hate on feminism?"

These are all reasonable things. The patriarchy, unreasonable claims of victim blaming, and bad statistics aren't.

But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to see these rights. No country in the world can yet say that they achieved gender equality. These rights are considered to be human rights but I am one of the lucky ones.

"This is why we need feminism, women have it worse."

Feminists will never claim victory, because then there's no reason for them to exist. Look at Sweden, "The Saudi Arabia of Feminism" according to Julian Assange. Feminists have taken over there.

My life is a sheer privilege because my parents didn’t love me less because I was born a daughter. My school did not limit me because I was a girl. My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day. These influences are the gender equality ambassadors that made me who I am today. They may not know it but they are the inadvertent feminists needed in the world today. We need more of those.

"Feminism is great, why hate on feminism?"

Not to mention the privilege of being one of the most recognized movie stars in the world.

But I agree, this is the ideal environment for a girl to grow up in. Perhaps she grew up in one of the countries where women have achieved equality?

If you still hate the word, it is not the word that is important. It is the idea and the ambition behind it because not all women have received the same rights I have. In fact, statistically, very few have.

"Feminism is great, why hate on feminism?"

"This is why we need feminism, women have it worse."

In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women’s rights. Sadly, many of the things that she wanted to change are still true today. What struck me the most was that less than 30% of the audience were male. How can we effect change in the world when only half of it is invited or being welcomed to participate in the conversation?

Maybe because she wasn't addressing the issues of men at all? I haven't seen the speech, but knowing Hillary "Women are the true victims of war" Clinton, she probably didn't.

Men, I would like to give this opportunity to extend your formal invitation. Gender equality is your issue, too. Because to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society. I’ve seen young men suffering from mental illness, unable to ask for help for fear it would make them less of a man. In fact, in the UK, suicide is the biggest killer of men between 20 to 49, eclipsing road accidents, cancer and heart disease. I’ve seen men fragile and insecure by what constitutes male success. Men don’t have the benefits of equality, either.

"Men have it bad, but women have it worse."

Yes, these are all good points. But again, why recruit only men? You're talking about men's issues, why not invite women to help the men out? And is your program really going to address any of these issues?

We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are. When they are free, things will change for women as a natural consequence. If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted, women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled.

"We should improve things for men because it will make life better for women."

We also don't talk about why they are imprisoned by gender stereotypes, and what role women have in that imprisonment.

Both men and women should feel free to be sensitive. Both men and women should feel free to be strong. It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. We should stop defining each other by what we are not and start defining ourselves by who we are. We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about. It’s about freedom. I want men to take up this mantle so that their daughters, sisters and mothers can be free from prejudice but also so that their sons have permission to be vulnerable and human too, reclaim parts of themselves they abandoned and in doing so, be a more true and complete version of themselves.

This is where the true rhetoric begins. As I mentioned, men are free to be sensitive and vulnerable - and women are free to dump them for being sensitive. Is she going to tell women to stop dumping sensitive and vulnerable men, and if so, who is she to dictate what they find attractive?

You might think: who is this Harry Potter girl? What is she doing at the UN? I’ve been asking myself the same thing. All I know is that I care about this problem and I want to make it better. And having seen what I’ve seen and given the chance, I feel it is my responsibility to say something. Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is need for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing.

She's at the UN because she's incredibly famous and privileged.

In my nervousness for this speech and in my moments of doubt, I told myself firmly: if not me, who? If not now, when? If you cast doubts when opportunity is presented to you, I hope those words will be helpful. Because the reality is if we do nothing, it will take 75 years or maybe 100 before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work. 15.5 million girls will be married in the next 16 years as children. And at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education.

"This is why we need feminism, women have it worse."

If you believe in equality, you might be one of the inadvertent feminists I spoke of earlier and for this I appraud you. We must strive for a united world but the good news is we have a platform. It is called HeForShe. I invite you to step forward, to be seen and I ask yourself: if not me, who? If not now, when? Thank you.

Main criticisms:

  • Most of her speech is about how people are hating on feminism and why we need feminism because it is great and women have it worse - without addressing the shortcomings of feminism.
  • Invites only men to help out, as if men are sitting around doing nothing and women are doing all the work.
  • She throws men a few bones, but ultimately she is saying that women have it worse. Says that we should help men so conditions will improve for women.
  • Issues such as why men can't express their feelings or why they're committing suicide are very difficult problems. What will HeForShe do to address it, especially when they think women have it worse?
  • The name "HeForShe" ultimately tells you what the program is all about: recruiting men to help women. Is anything going to be done for men at all?
  • And the main point of this submission: she has the audacity to say that men should feel free to be sensitive and vulnerable. Feel free to be vulnerable...and celibate. Then she goes and dates the big man on campus rugby star, who is most likely anything but sensitive and vulnerable. Why does this suck? Because it is the same lie men have been told over and over by women in their life, except now it is at the level of the UN.

Sheesh, I should turn this into a submission.

14 upvotesTRPsubmitter5 years ago

That's not the criticism at all. Of course hot girls are going to date hot guys.

The point is that while she does this she is being disingenuous by TELLING men that being alpha/buff/rich/popular isn't necessary. She is lying and saying that "ok men, feel vulnerable! Support women!" as if that is what men should do to be successful, yet that is not the reality of what women respond to.

The point is that women will tell men to be betas in order to keep their pool of unlimited validation. They try to redefine masculinity to fit THEIR purposes, not ours.

The fact she is dating an alpha serves to actually reinforce the point that women are disingenuous when they say "men should be able to be vulnerable", because that certainly isn't what Watson is herself responding to sexually.

-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

If she hinted at that in her speech then I will by all means admit I'm wrong here. But from what I recall, she never even came close to suggesting that. A solid 40% of her speech was focused on how men get fucked over significantly in society by women because of a gendered stereotype that men are expected to just suck it up and not to worry about any perceived injustice. Women's expectations are to blame and that was what she came back to on several occasions. Her goal as I understood it is to change how women perceive men at a core level and for men to do the same in regards to women.

If this is disagreeable then fine, I can honestly understand numerous criticisms to this line of thought, but as was presented in the blog that was posted it failed at every possible level to levy a legitimate point against her and instead sounded like nothing more than a grown ass man pouting because she's possibly having sex with a man who's appealing to her. Fuck, for all we know, Janney could cry during movies, recite poetry, and get peddie-mannies in his free time. Maybe she's attracted to him on an emotional level as well because he breaks the stereotypes she railed against. Hell if I know.

6 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

I think the Op's point is totally flying over your head. Everything you said about Emma's speech was true. The point the op is making is that Emma is precisely one of those women who Emma is criticizing. She says we should accept beta behavior but then she goes and dates alpha.

You contention that Janney might be beta is absolutely ridiculous. He is obviously not just by looking at him.

-2 upvotesLister-Cascade5 years ago

She says we should accept beta behavior but then she goes and dates alpha.

What has her acceptance of betas got to do with alphas? Your entire comment is invalid.

3 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

Everything. She says to accept betas but then doesn't accept betas into her bed. Pure hypocrisy.

1 upvotesLister-Cascade5 years ago

That isn't hypocritical at all. Saying you drink water doesn't suggest you only drink water. I don't think I can make that any simpler for you.

9 upvotesTRPsubmitter5 years ago

I honestly didn't read or listen to her speech, so what you say is probably true.

My only point is to CAUTION against men seeing her "I'm on men's side" speech and thinking they can now let their guard down. It's enticing to hear a hot woman say "yes men are being forced to live up to huge masculine expectations...feel free to be vulnerable! I'm on your side"

Lots of inexperienced guys (and basically ALL of reddit last few days) will hear that and think "I'm so relieved!" but it's fool's gold. She spits that out but that still isn't what she is going to suck on and get plowed by at the end of the night. And her rugby, good looking bf is proof of that. I think that's the larger point here.

Plus, there's the nefarious underlying motivation of women who tell men to "redefine manliness" because being more beta actually serves women's interests for validation. To me, her speech clearly shows that she is trying to tell men to maintain beta bucks.

5 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

TRPSubmitter is dead on. Her speech is pretty lies. The truth is in her actions. I have no doubt that she believes her own words though.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Not to sound like an ass (I know my initial comment did) but I'd recommend you listen to the speech (it's only 5 minutes long). You can't make a very honest or accurate judgement call if you haven't heard the very thing you're criticizing. She doesn't try to redefine masculinity. She tries to protect it. Men are victimized in a lot of ways and her stance is that it is society - not men - that is fucked up.

And once again, her speech had nothing to do with superficial appearances. It was about expression. Her studly rugby star may be a big puss and she's attracted to his more emotionally expressive traits. I don't know how he acts and no one else here does either.

3 upvotescooltrip5 years ago

Men would fuck every woman in the world if they had a magic wand. Women would only fuck athletic alpha even having the magic wand. Call it "equality" of gender sexual needs.

-2 upvotesetcomro5 years ago

Gotta love the cynicism of this sub don't ya? Nevermind the erroneous statistics she quoted or the positive that she gave at least some of her speech to men's issues.. let's talk about how she's fucking a good looking person. Shame on her!

-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

She's barely 5.5, what is he doing with her?!

10 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Many guys prefer petite women.

8 upvotesMegaMeatSlapper855 years ago

Dude, I'm with you. She's really not that attractive. I don't understand her hype besides being in movies.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

She's not bad, don't get me wrong, but if she were a nobody, she'd just be rated as a pretty girl rather than the ultra-hot goddess that people make her out to be.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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7 upvotesPictureTraveller5 years ago

they grew up with harry potter she became their oneitis

3 upvotesUGoBoom5 years ago

Pretty much this. She was a majority of my old friends' celebrity crushes.

2 upvotesmalthuswaswrong5 years ago

Squirt a baby into her then her hips will expand and breasts will grow and then she'll be quite a little fox.

0 upvotesDRMMR765 years ago

Blegh. Personally, the slender petite look is far more attractive to me. Granted I also don't like children, don't want children, and many of the typical "good child rearing traits" in women aren't attractive to me. Anything that says "baby factory" is probably going to be gross to me personally. I'll take a slender, firm, petite fit girl over some baby factory cow any day. But that's just me.

0 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

She's well connected. Remember they both go to Oxford. So for him she can open a lot of doors or introduce him to a lot of the right kind of people.

Plus he gets to say he dated Hermione.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

But she's borderline ugly. Wealth is not the source of SMV for men, only looks. At best her status is the reason why he's dating her, not her SMV.

0 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

I said nothing about looks, you're too focused on her looks instead of her over all status.

0 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

The fact that she is Hermione, and knowing that there are dudes around the world who wank to his GF every day.

0 upvotesmc00795 years ago

You mean successful people want to date other successful people? Well no shit! This guy just solved everything!

On the flip side, you see many hot shot male lawyers going with slummy grocery cashiers? No, because people tend to date at their station.

This has to do more with dating at someone's station then "gender roles"...

5 upvotesCyralea5 years ago

On the flip side, you see many hot shot male lawyers going with slummy grocery cashiers

Yes, actually, I work with them. The majority of male lawyers date women who have mundane jobs, or stay at home.

1 upvotesmc00795 years ago

Stay out home to raise kids? That's a different scenario. When I'm referring to slummy cashiers, I talking about someone who can never leave that job, that's the best they can do, trailer park style....Jobs that pay well can be mundane.

3 upvotesCyralea5 years ago

No, I mean like secretaries, waitresses, bank attendants, etc. Most of them are dating women that are simply attractive.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

They are always asking men to be more free to express their feelings. My man expressed his, and got arrested (few years back). What hypocrites.

-3 upvotesEvanHarper5 years ago

This is a pretty weak attempt at a "gotcha."

-9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I can just imagine you getting all outraged when you saw his picture.

Not sure if you're aware but it is quite possible to look like he does and have the same personality traits that she was talking about. She's not prescribing that every man be some fawning, meek doormat but rather that it is quite possible for both men and women to possess a range of non-gender exclusive character traits.

11 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

While I admit that I envy what I imagine to be his campus lifestyle, I'm more outraged at the hypocrisy.

It is possible to be who he is and be a vulnerable person, but not likely. "Vulnerable" is not the go-to word for a star rugby player.

3 upvotescascadecombo5 years ago

you missed the point entirely

2 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

I'm more jealous of his opportunity to go to a "good" college.

As for her, I also don't care to be lectured by someone who won the lottery of life and has no serious worries.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

'Opportunity'? Do very well in school in the UK mate and you'll get into Oxbridge/LSE/UCL. Simple as.

0 upvotescikatomo5 years ago

Who is this guy and what makes him alpha male?

-3 upvotesCore_ten5 years ago

Way to argue irrelevant points and extremes...

She's right. Any guy knows first hand the pressure to be stoic regardless of what happens to them. Sure, that pressure is largely generated by the attraction that that persona has to many women. However, it doesn't have to define a person. Someone who has learned to be strong out of necessity should be able admit weakness sometimes without feeling 'lesser'... that is the point she's making. A little balance is healthy.

Who she is dating is irrelevant. It's sad to see people saying that since she supports men showing some emotion from time to time that she should then be attracted to that personality over all others.

5 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Who she is dating is quite relevant.

She's basically giving guys bad advice that will get them dumped by their girlfriends while demonstrating that women don't go for vulnerable and sensitive guys.

It would be like me saying, "Hey, you don't have to be young and traditionally beautiful to be happy," as I date a 18 year old Ms. Universe contestant.

2 upvotesCore_ten5 years ago

Do you know the guy she is dating? Does the fact that he is an athlete and attractive somehow exclude him from being sensitive or emotional?

Her statement "Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes." is absolutely true. The macho man stereotype being constantly reinforced as the only acceptable persona is harmful to men.. but here's the nuance that is key: being strong emotionally is still important (for everyone!). Sure it's okay to show emotion, but being overly emotional is just as unhealthy as bottling your emotions up.

You saying "Hey, you don't have to be young and traditionally beautiful to be happy," as [you] date a 18 year old Ms. Universe contestant." is perfectly fine. Does your relationship and taste in women mean that a non-traditional woman will never find someone who is attracted to her? No.. of course not.

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

Do you know the guy she is dating? Does the fact that he is an athlete and attractive somehow exclude him from being sensitive or emotional?

As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread:

It is possible to be who he is and be a vulnerable person, but not likely. "Vulnerable" is not the go-to word for a star rugby player.

Her statement "Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes." is absolutely true. The macho man stereotype being constantly reinforced as the only acceptable persona is harmful to men.. but here's the nuance that is key: being strong emotionally is still important (for everyone!). Sure it's okay to show emotion, but being overly emotional is just as unhealthy as bottling your emotions up.

When men show emotion, women see it as weakness and they dump the men. How is gender equality going to fix this? Gender equality isn't going to make women love short men or men love fat women either. It's a great ideal, but not something that can be fixed by awareness campaigns or legislation.

You saying "Hey, you don't have to be young and traditionally beautiful to be happy," as [you] date a 18 year old Ms. Universe contestant." is perfectly fine. Does your relationship and taste in women mean that a non-traditional woman will never find someone who is attracted to her? No.. of course not.

Now imagine that, for the woman's entire life, men have been telling her this and then going off and dating young beauty contestants, and then this situation comes up, in a UN speech no less. How would that make her feel?

1 upvotesCore_ten5 years ago

"It is possible to be who he is and be a vulnerable person, but not likely."

Why is this not likely? The point she is making is that everyone is vulnerable sometimes. Everyone has emotions. Some people are stronger more regularly, but nobody is always strong.

"When men show emotion, women see it as weakness and they dump the men."

Sorry but that is bullshit. People (regardless of gender) appreciate deep emotional connections with other people. When I was in high school I thought the same way as you. I thought "I'm a sensitive guy, but why don't women seem to appreciate that?". Later on in life I made the realization that those sensitive displays are not attractive in many situations (not just sexual situations but day to day ones as well). Being emotionally strong and outgoing is important for any person trying to attract another (or make friends, or give a presentation at work/school, etc). The sensitivity comes in later, when you and said person are more comfortable sharing those emotions.

"Now imagine that, for the woman's entire life, men have been telling her this and then going off and dating young beauty contestants..." Well then those men just don't like her style, or her looks, or her personality. Well guess what? There are other people out there that sure would. Everyone gets rejected sometimes, even charismatic people. The thing is to pick yourself up and try again. Yes, process the sadness if you need to, but don't let it start to define you. We can all be strong if we work at it (but not all the time, which is Emma Watson's point).

Edit: added bracketed text after "...any person trying to attract another("

4 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I could address all of your points individually, but I'll just say this:

TRP speaks in absolutes but actually deals in probabilities. Women don't like beta schmucks - well, there's probably women out there who love beta schmucks, but most of them don't.

Women don't like vulnerability and sensitivity. Okay, maybe there are women that eat that up, but most of them don't, and you'd be better off following the rule than the exception. I don't have any scientific data on this, it's just based on personal experience, the other couples that I've observed, and material I've read. It's also a core tenet of this sub.

Well then those men just don't like her style, or her looks, or her personality. Well guess what? There are other people out there that sure would.

This is the same bad advice that gets people into trouble. It's about what is most probable. Saying "everyone is different, be yourself" is never helpful. Saying "men like X, Y, and Z" is much more helpful, even if there are a minority of cases where it is not true.

-1 upvotesCore_ten5 years ago

The idea of an alpha or beta person should be obsolete. Yes, I know it's not. And yes, many women go for physically stronger and outgoing guys. Social skills can be learned though.. nobody is 'beta' by birth.

Yes, being physically unattractive can be a huge disadvantage... yes it will be harder to find people who want to be with you in that case.. but that doesn't make it impossible, and it doesn't mean you can't be charismatic or funny or any other generally attractive traits (that can be developed by working on oneself).

"Women don't like vulnerability and sensitivity." As I thoroughly argued earlier, yes they do (see large middle paragraph in my last post). Everyone does, at the right times and in the right situations. Being overly emotional all the time is not attractive no matter who you are.

"It's about what is most probable... Saying "men like X, Y, and Z" is much more helpful". If all you care about are probabilities of attracting people, then you're not really in it for the emotions eh? That kind of thinking is more about getting laid, in which case you're not valuing the other person for anything beyond what they can do for you... which is extremely dickish and not senstive at all.

Being sensitive and being strong should both have their times to be expressed by any person. The ideas supported in gender stereotypes (men are emotionally strong, women are emotionally weak) put pressure on people to abandon parts of who they are and focus too much on others. Balance is the key. Alpha and beta are trivial concepts when you can rise to a challenge of emotional expression or stoicism when situations demand. Everyone faces these challenges... regardless of gender, race, sexuality, age, etc. W'ere all just human.

-10 upvotesetcomro5 years ago

You guys are amazing, really. She gives a decent speech and even addresses men's issues and you guys remain cynical and bitchy about it.

And to the top comment about her dating a 'stereotypical buff athletic alpha male', AWALT so deal with it. Don't blame the scorpion for it's nature.

4 upvotesDRMMR765 years ago

No one is blaming the scorpion for its nature. We're blaming it for lying about its nature. Another poster said it spot on. Emma is one of the girls Emma is criticizing. Yes women will do what they will do. But that doesn't make it wrong to call them out for lying about it.

-5 upvotesetcomro5 years ago

And yet another poster said it well too, just because she speaks to the issue doesn't obligate her to be attracted to your neckbeard.

1 upvotesDRMMR765 years ago

Of course she's not obligated to be attracted to anything. She IS obligated to tell the truth about it. The speech was her lying about herself.

2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

We're just tired of being lied to, really.

-1 upvotesetcomro5 years ago

Women are too. But I don't know if they could handle our truth or that we could handle their truth. Obviously given the 'RP Anger Phase' most of us can't handle the truth.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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4 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

We ultimately decide what qualities we think someone of the opposite sex should have by who we date.

It would be the same as me saying, "Women shouldn't feel ashamed of being fat," while dating a petite little hottie. If I wouldn't put my dick in it, then I shouldn't be recommending it in good conscience to women.

1 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

I couldn't have said it any better.

And then imagine that guys have been saying this to all the fat girls for their entire life and then dating petite hotties.

And then a young popular actor says the same thing at the UN while dating a ballerina.

-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Oh god, I hate you people. The hypocrisy angle is retarded and pety. That is not the highlight, the main issue is: Feminists are moving feminism towards MRA, most of her speech is MRA bait.

5 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

That's only because it's getting bad enough here in the West that they can't pretend men don't have issues.

Low level MRAs will eat this stuff up because it's the only ray of light they'll get from women like Ms. Watson.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Mainstream men are not red, MRA/egalitarianism is a the next stage of feminism. Weak men that where beaten by their fathers and nursed by their mothers want to belief that women will like them as they are weak and broken.

You think the internet has a lot of white knights now, just wait until anti-feminism goes mainstream, who doesn't want to be a pampered narcissists?

2 upvotesDark_Shroud5 years ago

It's already happening. Check out all the "I don't need feminism" postings on social media sites. Of course most of these women are decent to good looking so they're just trying to snag an average guy to put up with them.

3 upvotesRegentsEnd5 years ago

This is the red pill reddit. Pointing out female hypocrisy is part of the education, there's nothing retarded or petty about it. If it seems petty and retarded it's because women's behaviour makes it so since we're forced to point it out. And I don't think there's anything MRA about what hermione said. Like all feminists she's only interested in changing men to suit their political agenda not because they give a genuine fuck about men.

-6 upvotesSabrejack5 years ago

You're an idiot. Next are you going to tell me my support for gay rights isn't genuine because I'm not gay?

3 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

You're an idiot. Next are you going to tell me my support for gay rights isn't genuine because I'm not gay?

No because you never claimed that being gay is the right choice and everyone should be gay.

-3 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

So you're saying that Emma stating that equality is the right choice, and that everyone should be equal is somehow wrong?

2 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

She's saying that men should feel free to be sensitive and vulnerable so that they can be a more complete human. Then she goes off to date alpha rugby star.

-3 upvotesjayfehr5 years ago

She's saying you don't have to try and act tough to feel like a man.

She's not saying that if you're confident enough to cry in front of her you'll get to fuck her. Her statements have nothing to do with relationships

1 upvotesredpillbanana [OP]5 years ago

She's saying you don't have to try and act tough to feel like a man.

But the problem is that you do, if you want to attract women, as she has demonstrated in her own life.

-8 upvotesragenFOX5 years ago

r/theredpill, a nest for betas.

3 upvotestallwheel5 years ago

...who are looking for solutions to become less beta.

1 upvotesragenFOX5 years ago

Who keep bitching about stupid shit, which makes you beta as fuck.

Really dude, this post is one of the most stupidest posts I've seen on this subreddit, its just sad. Why the fuck would you care if Emma Watson was dating a jock or not? He's a rugby player from her town, why would you complain in a way that makes you sound like a complete sore loser. I'm not sure if you guys realize it. "Oh Emma Watson the girl everyone liked said something about gender equality and maybe it will seem like she's a crazy cunt, oh wait! Let me look crazy by searching her life for any kind of contradiction, oh! She's dating a rugby player! Let's complain about!"

I came to this subreddit thinking it might add something to me and my life, but all I see are guys who are a little better than the /r9k/ but still fucking stupid.

-2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Since when was "good looking athlete" a synonym for alpha male? I'd need more information about the guy's actual character before I could conclude that he is the epitome of what Watson has spoken out against.

edit I knew some of you would downvote this, but I bet nobody who does will take the time to explain why.

edit 2 And what do you know, All downvote no comment. I agree with some of the conversations that go on here but some, like this one, are circlejerks where we just speak our minds without the sense behind our opinion to even try to back it up when asked. There is very little science to what goes on here and a whole lot of generalization, I'm done with it.

-2 upvotesSILENTSAM695 years ago

She never said you shouldn't fit a gender stereotype if you want to. She did talk about how important the role of her father was.

This was a great speech, and made her one of the few respectable feminists out there.

-9 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

I bet she cant even make a decent sandwich. More than likely all she's good for is running her mouth and spreading her legs. Useless modern woman.

-4 upvotesrmwj19565 years ago

If he's dating some dipshit second-rate actress, he's no "Alpha." I'll bet she has a lot more money than him.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Are you retarded? Of course she probably has more money than he does. She's worth millions. She has more money than most people on planet earth.

1 upvoteszpatriarchy5 years ago

yes he is retarded. he doesn't even know what alpha means.

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