When i say No the boss Stonewalls me

SteelSharpensSteel · 2019-03-01T08:39:06+00:00

Clearly you should take the boss's job and put him on call.

1k is not enough for 24x7 on call, I agree.

Go find another job. Get your side hustle going. And become invaluable at work, knowing you can be replaced at any minute.

RPeed · 2019-03-01T09:38:44+00:00

Bro, my hot take is you painted yourself into a corner over an extended time period. Now you're doing the right thing but it's too late, your boss is a prick etc.

This is why you must have a bug out fund of cash and options before you rock the boat. That is the only way to be OI when you are playing with your livelihood.

If you didn't need options before, you fucking need them now.

That being said, if all it's going to cost you is a four hour commute, get some fucking audio-books and take a shit on his desk. It could be far, far worse. And since really you should be moving role or employer every 2-3 years anyway to remain attractive, this is all GREAT news. You sound like you can be pretty OI if you just change your mindset.

Weigh up whether you'll make more on severance before you quit though.

If you stick to your guns, your boss might fold while you look for a closer job. If you keep yourself whiter than white and you are as good as you say you are, it'll be more difficult to replace you than he thinks if and when he goes to HR. Maybe you will just get sidelined and not have to do much of anything at all. Work on a side gig or towards a dream job while someone else pays your rent.

If you get fired/laid off, just do the commute and keep looking.

Bottom line is the worst case is you get a better job.

Chill out man. Selling lemonade is better than working 24/7 for a few bucks. Set expectations and manage boundaries from the outset next time and always have several backup plans.

Don't bad mouth this guy/company in interviews. It can be hard depending on the probing but I don't make the rules. I just know that is one of them. Say you wanted something more challenging, more rewarding. Fuck it, just tell them you want the same money and LESS hours. If that's what you want and you'll get it eventually.

Getting a job is not rocket science but I have learned how to milk it harder over the years. And by "embellish" your CV, I mean always create opportunities to tell a fact, a fib and a whopper. They will not know which one is which. e.g. once you get a better job, that is a good, recent verifiable "fact". Then you can promote all the previous roles and immediately apply start applying for better ones.

I don't know what you are making but you are not really going to top out this approach until you hit $200k in the States. There are plenty of roles in most industries there and little competition. Getting past that, the competition is still low but there are fewer roles and you are likely to go longer between paychecks and travel further than four hours.

Good luck and congratulations on taking control of your life.

EDIT:
There should be a sequel to WISNIFG called IWTSFYBIHNBP (I Want To Say Fuck You But I Have No Backup Plan).

UEMcGill · 2019-03-01T13:43:53+00:00

You suck at negotiating, but I suspect you know that because you are here. So let's parse this out so you can see where you went wrong. The good news is, negotiations are always open, and you can always renegotiate a bad deal.

Your boss's opening salvo, you immediately started to make an offer. A big rule in negotiation, he who opens first usually is the worse off. The correct answer would have been, "What are you thinking?"

Then he would have launched into his speel, because as he said, he already told management.

You now sit back and listen. Rephrase what he said. You can now take the opportunity to refine and counter. "Hmm, what you really want is coverage but you don't consider the others competent enough? What if I can get you coverage and competence wouldn't that solve everyone's problems?"

Now like you said, he already told management that you would do it. So here's where you dig down deep and make your boss defend his position.

"here is the thing, I already told the management team you would do it."

"So let me understand, you want me to take on additional responsibilities, and workload, maintain my current capabilities and be on call and do it for $1000.00 a year?"

Now here's the magic phrase

" How am I supposed to do that?"

Now for every counter he makes, every reason he comes up with answer some version of that. I'm sorry I just can't do that. "How...". Don't use what, don't use why, use how.

He came to you with a directive, not a negotiation. Get him negotiating. Once he gets to the point where he's openly defending his position, then you can counter with the alternate plan.

The good news is, you can go back and re-open the discussion. Try what I said, open with this statement "Hey, I don't suppose you thought about what I said?"

This gives him a chance to ease into discussions. Then go into what I was saying, with different versions:

"I just can't do it effectively for that amount, how am I supposed to dedicate that kind of time?"

"How am I supposed to be on call 24/7?"

"How am I supposed to come into work after being up on a call all night?"

How how how. Always how

A great quick book to read on this is, "Never Split the Difference" By Chris Voss. Download it on Audible and you can have it listened to in 6 hours.

SteveStJohn · 2019-03-01T12:33:13+00:00

Take the $1,000, look for a new job, and...

Build the on call schedule for the others. Be on call for THEM when they can't solve the problem. Use their calls to you to make a recommendation to Ben's boss* for further training opportunities for the team thus showing value and concern for the company.

*He goes around you to your subordinates, you go around him to his superiors. There is obviously no chain of command in your organization.

FoxShitNasty83 · 2019-03-01T12:32:55+00:00

Principle rule of all relationships: he who needs the other the least has the power. Sounds to me like you're still in a weaker position needing the job more than he needs you. That's why you feel dread, your boss has viable options (Bob) and you don't (4 hr commute).

Time to create a MAP to change that.

Edit: Missed words in my haste

weakandsensitive · 2019-03-02T16:32:09+00:00

Do you realize you're about to be fired?

What is your contingency plan?

SteelSharpensSteel · 2019-03-01T09:06:12+00:00

Interesting mind fuck. Sounds like to me he can't directly do a thing and is simply using the poor underling to shake you.

Have good documentation on good work performance? I'd remember HR is not there to help you. They are there to ensure the company doesn't get sued.

Document the fuck out of your own excellent performance and consult with a lawyer. Then keep that lawyer in your pocket in case of the first overt move. Or possibly make the first move if things get worse. And tell no one of the counsel until you need to make a move.

What is the dynamic (or do you have any relationship) with your bosses boss? Do you know how well they are getting along? If you can't find another job (which would be my priority as it sounds like this is something coming from higher up) then you are going to have to play politics.

Further down the trail with your current boss I'd start expecting more direct issues if his passive aggressive tactics don't work. Shitty performance reviews. Making up issues that weren't issues before etc. Again why I would pay an expert in the matter (legal) to advise.

Then, at least, when you go to HR you will be the one with teeth and him the possible liability.

I've always been able to find other work in shirty boss situations. I've just had to be patient and I've yet to switch for less.

So yeah, fuck him but fuck the cunts who put him in charge,too.

Makes no sense if Billy underling could do your job, he would certainly be able to field on-calls. In the mean time, if you want to play politics, you could certainly see (off record) if he'd be willing to do that function for an extra k. If you are easy enough to replace and the on-call for shit compensation is a must for your boss. I bet it'll just be part of your positions requirements going forward after you're replaced. If you are truly "priced out of the market" then the 1k on top of that for being on call to keep your job really isn't a shit deal then is it?

If you can't play politics and get to a high enough position in a company and don't have a great relationship with your direct reports and their reports you get fucked in any confrontation. You can't just keep your head down and be re-active.

But really, I'd make finding a new job a priority if you aren't close to retirement. Including relocating or a new career.

Anyway, interested to see other opinions here.

EDIT: Further thoughts as /u/marv86kw pointed out... your boss just got on record you giving an employee a free vacation day when he has none. I mean really your move at that point would have then been to cut to the chase and ask the boss if he's considered Billy underling as an on call staffer since he's taking a liking to him. You have to have work game and you're just letting this boss ride you out.

I make vetting a boss as high a priority when taking a new job or position as I do the position itself. Did this boss come in after you were working there? In the end he may be there because of his ability to get the most work for least pay out of an employee. Every boss has their perks and minuses. I know at some moments what I may have to do or deal with with my current boss and since they're the boss...well, part of your job unless it's something illegal or breaks labor laws part of your job is to do what your boss will tell you and keep them happy as long as that situation remains unchanged.

So I would wager if you don't want to go the direct confront or legal route you could buy time by making it seem like you were just playing hardball and ask if an extra 2 k for the on call would work to buy you time. Then if "no" , let them weasle it back down to 1k and realize you'll be looking for better work with a work phone on your hip.

Persaeus · 2019-03-01T14:32:21+00:00

i've lost count of the number of supervisors i've had (20+). i'd say about 25% of them were to some degree like this asshat Ben.

here's what i've found. about 1/2 of them are new managers swinging their dick around; and need to be calibrated by someone like me and other senior professionals. the second 1/2 are psycho retards; and they got to go.

the initial approach is the same. i assume a frame where i am above them. i tell them no (like you did . . . i thought your dialogue was fine although you should have come back with a more specific and somewhat absurd counter offer). i belittle their ridiculous paradigms. i coach them - stroking their ego for what they do right, offering advice for improvement, pointing out how my advice is in there best interest.

when that doesn't work, i start actively plotting to get his dumb ass fired. this is not that hard because people like this have a lot of people around him holding knives behind their back just waiting for an opportunity. you have to understand the politics of your office. enlist your loyal allies in the plot (my experience is they will support but few have the balls to really jump on). when your interacting with Ben's boss and/or his lateral-equals in particular, throw out little tidbits questioning Ben's competence - nothing that incriminates you but just enough bait to get them going what a tool Ben is - at which point you start feeding them information. this keeps going until you suggest the organization might be better without Ben or Ben's boss comes to you and says Ben is out . . . do you want his job?

i've done this to two of my bosses in my career. after they got walked to the gate, i took their name tags off their door when no one was looking. i have these trophies in my desk till this day.

in other words, just like your wife - people will treat you how you allow them to treat you. get on the offensive side of the ball McFly.

red-sfpplus · 2019-03-01T20:15:25+00:00

I do not understand what is going on in this sub.

Am I going crazy or what?

There is only one brother /u/UEMcGill which got close to correct on this.

ALL YOU DID WAS SAY NO!

There was no counter offer. You didnt say "Let me think on it overnight and get back with you in the am"

He is stonewalling you because he already put your faggot ass up to the job. You lacked both the backbone to ask what you want, and the aggressive attitude to bring it back up a day later?

You wanna know how many times I have given an idiot like you more work with zero more money because I love to leverage idiots for my own gainz?

He informed you of the new role, the money you get. And all you did was whine. Now, all he has to do is ignore you for a while - let you acclimate to your new role and there you go.

Fun fact: Depending on the state, if you accept that new pay, which HR is going to give you automatically - guess what? In court you have accepted the new pay, thus the new responsibilities.

You are so obtuse. Man, I am an evil dude when I think about it...

This all goes back to my post here.

In it I say:

If in your career, you cannot go from fired to hired in 90 days or less - you fucking suck.

There is NO FUCKING WAY I would take a significant job change like this on until comp is agreed to. PERIOD.

I don't fucking care what you told management. You can call, my phone will not be answered.

Where are the flared brothers telling you to take accountability for your actions here? I skimmed over the responses and nearly every one of them was making the boss out to be a dick, dummy or whatever.

WHO FUCKING CARES about the boss.

YOU are the weak faggot he did this to. And he did it because you are weak.

By not objecting officially to the job, accepting the pay increase you have defacto agreed to the new responsibilities. This shit happens ALL THE TIME.

The boss played you like a fiddle.

man_in_the_world · 2019-03-02T04:30:24+00:00

Stop obsessing like a beta over your ~~wife's~~ boss's emotions. Of course he's upset and resentful toward you right now; you failed to honor his covert contract that you would always be his "get out of jail free" card, so now he has to scramble to find an alternate solution.

You must expect him to count on you less in the future, to attempt to groom a potential replacement, to give you poor(er) performance reviews, and to be frostier with you. But it is unlikely that he will fire you anytime soon. After all, your wife hasn't put in any overtime whatsoever for you in over four years, and you haven't fired her yet, because you have no obvious replacement.

screechhater · 2019-03-01T11:03:14+00:00

Just a heads up, 50 cents an hour is not worth it.

Move on, looking fior more cash.

The boss is an incompetent fuck. Work for money. Not bullshit

KoolAidMan7980 · 2019-03-01T08:51:43+00:00

1k is definitely not enough for 24/7 365. However having your income go to zero isnt good either. This is a tough spot to be in. I think you need to take action here by either folding your hand and taking the bosses offer or reraise your boss (Ive been playing a lot of poker lately) and escalate to hr or his boss. Taking your bosses offer buys you more time to keep hunting. On the other hand hr might be a roll of the dice and you could come out ahead with you keeping your job with no on call or possibly getting your boss’ job. Sitting pat while he slowly replaces you is a pussy move. You need to act one way or the other.

marv86kw · 2019-03-01T09:18:38+00:00

So you OKed Bobs off day without vacation days? Or just let it slide? Does your boss own the company?

FereallyRed · 2019-03-01T11:54:20+00:00

He's either bluffing and playing a game knowing things he does with Ben will get back to you and is using your own hamster to turn the thmbscrews, (which is pretty brilliant, actually) or,

He is actually grooming Ben for your job.

Either way, no reasonable boss would require 24/7 from one person for 15 cents an hour. (8760 hrs in a year, minus 2000 hrs at work, 6760 hrs on call for $1000.00) To be on call. Fuck that.

He was used to steamrolling you and pissed that you grew a backbone, probably lost face to his supervisor when he had to backpedal since you said no.

But again, none of this is officially actionable.

I like your boss.

You should probably continue with the exit strategy, though.

Boiled down, you were told to do something you weren't willing to do at work. Doesn't matter whose right or wrong at the end of the day.

FixYourselfFirst · 2019-03-01T14:08:20+00:00

Typical on-call rate is $2-$3 hour. The boss is asking you to be on-call 6,680 hours a year. At $2.50, that is $16,700. Your boss is asking you to be on-call for 15 cents per hour.

in order to get a job even close im looking at a 4 hour a day commute

Move to where the jobs are.

Red-Curious · 2019-03-01T14:27:25+00:00

So, you have a scarcity mentality with your career because you haven't been developing abundance. If you're over-paid for what you do and can't find another similar job in your area that will pay the same, it could be that you're not getting paid $1k extra for being on call, but that you've already been paid, for example, $10k extra for nothing and the boss has wised up and decided to put you on call to justify the fact that you're over-compensated for similar jobs in the same area.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But business is business. Either jobs are scarce and you have to take what you can get or you hit the pavement and convince some other chump that you're worth more than what they're offering new employees.

Now, if it were me, I'd do three things in the following order of priority (and they're not mutually exclusive):

Start looking for another job.
Build relationships with other co-workers to make them loyal to you. I've seen law firms go through this where employee loyalty ultimately trumps whatever the boss wants to do. The risk of losing all of the valuable employees will box in decision-making from the top or, in the case of what happened to my previous boss, the valuable employees will just leave and take all the business with them and the boss will be crippled and have to start something new from the ground up.
Accept the burden of being on call all the time for the $1k raise on the condition that if you end up working extra hours due to the calls you get, you can either:

get paid a fixed hourly rate for any instances where you actually work off-hours due to being called. He doesn't risk paying you a bunch of extra money for minimal work and you don't risk doing a bunch of extra work for minimal compensation - you will be paid based on the work you do.
If he won't pay you extra, have any off-hour work you do when called converted into PTO that you can take at your discretion.
If he won't take that, then suggest that if you're called after-hours, you take those hours out of your next business day or out of your Friday afternoon.

In either of the above two options, you're doing the same amount of work, but still getting the $1k bonus for the fact that you might have to shift your hours to inconvenient times.

Long story short, you have options. You just have to exercise them and be willing to up your social game within the workplace and broader workforce. This is why social game is so important.

Lastly, you're not trying to get your boss's dick in your butt (are you?), so don't expect him to respond to red pilled sexual strategy by falling in love with you. This is business, not sex. Some of the strategies are useful, but the results are very, very different and can be inconsistent. Don't assume that being an alpha high-value man will always equate to your boss backing down and doing what you say.

Big_Daddy_PDX · 2019-03-01T20:39:18+00:00

When InSay No I Feel Guilty.

Too often, rookies like you confuse answering with your intention and getting agreement from the other party that your answer is acceptable.

“I don’t care that you want me to be on call 24/7 and $10K raise wouldn’t be enough money.”

“ That sounds like your problem that you fabricated a story for your boss about me agreeing to be on call 24/7”

FoxShitNasty83 · 2019-03-01T21:25:19+00:00

Edit to self, actionable points:

Find a new job / have a plan B
Become invaluable at work
Fix the work on call problem go to Boss's Boss with a solution
Chill out - hamster spinning LIFT
Get better at negotiating - "Never Split the Difference" By Chris Voss. / Robert Fisher's "getting to yes"

redwall92 · 2019-03-01T12:24:40+00:00

Get a job a night job at What-A-Burger or drive for Uber in the evenings before you take the on-call position for $1k/YEAR. Your time is more valuable than that, man.

TurdDoctor · 2019-03-01T12:56:11+00:00

Fox- few thoughts as someone who had a shitty boss but I've been my own boss for 5 years now. 1.) You didn't give enough context. How much time would you realistically add with this new responsibility? Do you handle by phone, remote computer login, or in person? Are you on salary or wages? Make a calculation of what you think the additional time would be, add 50% premium because it's off hours (kind of like overtime), multiply by your approximate current pay per hour (if paid wages divide pay by hours worked), and now you have a real estimated amount to demand for this new responsibility. Alternatively, you could say that you will add up the actual hours worked and multiply by this calculated hourly rate. Have a talk to your boss and propose this method of compensation instead of an arbitrary 1K, and get paid what you are worth, not more or less. If he says no or tries to counter with something else, just say you are not interested in his offer (broken record, do not DEER). 2.) turning down additional responsibility/pay could be an indication to the boss that you are not ambitious/hardworking. Discussing what you want like described above shows that you are willing to work harder for increased reward. Employers don't like it when employees that don't want to work hard/er. 3.) the other guy he took golfing is likely intended to fuck with you and to see if this guy will do the 24/7 gig for 1K. The company (your bosses boss) needs someone to do this and you boss doesn't want to do it himself, which he will have to if he can't find somebody else. 4.) which sucks more, being on call 24/7, or 2 hour commute each way- you decide. Keep looking in the mean time. Follow other people's advice. Good luck.

friendandadvisor · 2019-03-01T13:40:02+00:00

Hey Fox, here are my thoughts and suggestions for consideration...

I am however priced out of the market
in order to get a job even close im looking at a 4 hour a day commute.

We call these the "golden handcuffs". This is an employer mind fuck tool to keep valuable employees under their control/influence and can be very effective. Another is the one that /u/Embracing_Chaos stated below regarding the "Principle rule of all relationships" where if management knows you need them more than they need you then you effectively are handcuffed. You appear to have both sets of handcuffs in place. Question is, what are you going to do about it?

You should be looking to identify and create options. Break free of the cuffs and do not allow yourself to become a slave to your job. Are there other opportunities within your company? Do you have (or can you build) a network that will extend outside or above your boss? How would you assess your boss's competence and his strength within the company/position? Do you believe he can be displaced?

I could go on but the point is look around you and see what you have to work with and what you can do to build options and value. The real issue here is that you are running around with handcuffs on and management knows it.

Also consider Law 22: Use the surrender tactic: Transform Weakness into Power to buy you some time. Consider negotiating the terms as well. "I've given this some more thoughts and willing to take on this challenge (and salary increase). I will ensure we have competent 24/7 coverage with my team and will be responsible for making it happen." Then utilize the team the way you see fit to get this done to buy the time you need to increase your value and break free of the cuffs.

FoxShitNasty83 · 2019-03-01T14:23:21+00:00

You know what, I like a lot of other answers on here better than mine. I'm softening on talking to a lawyer unless things go sour and he does something actionable. You really have shit legs to stand on at the moment. Also labor laws depend on your state. I live in a right to work state which translates into you can quit or be fired for any reason that doesn't break an equal opportunity (or any other law).

Utilizing the group think here I'd say

You definitely painted yourself into a corner. You need to smooth this out in order to buy time to find something else. Feign defeat... your victory will be later when you leave or switch positions.
If you find yourself in a position where you need to tell your direct supervisor NO and in a gray area such as this... you have to start the timer ticking to have something new lined up and punt. Things will only get worse from there.

When you get to the point where you have other opportunities there would be no harm before leaving in taking direct action and at least getting on record why you are leaving and possibly the ways they could keep you (expect 99% of the time unless your boss pissed off his superiors or showed incompetence this wont matter at all to them).

Also in the mean time I'd find out what his superiors do for fun (golf or whatever) and get into that activity go old school book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" approach to get in with them.

helaughsinhidden · 2019-03-01T14:43:33+00:00

Lots of good advice here.

Let's focus just on your assumed mistakes so far.

Not assuming you and Ben are on the same team. You guys work together, get water from the same well, and when either of you steps in shit it splatters on the other guys pants. His problems ARE your problems, but you didn't really reflect any ownership here. Perhaps that's why his boss doesn't talk to you.
Broken record while negotiating. First, everything in life is negotiating. When he came with his initial offer of $1k per year to be on call 24/7/365 you simply said "it's not really worth it for me so No". Well, good for you, being on call for $0.11 her hour is an offensive offer. He said "that's all I can offer" and you accepted his reply as gospel truth. All that said was he wasn't willing to make the counter offer. Oh, and he shouldn't, if he says to you, well... how about $2500, a normal person would see that as weakness and say I think $1k is a good number, but we have to do it every month. Your failure to counter with either a more favorable financial compensation or a actionable plan was a huge blunder and honestly, he probably lost some faith in you because of it.
The lack of another workable option. You said "I'm happy to discuss a bigger roster ..... and we can make it work". You didn't take ownership of this. If this wasn't a petty way to avoid the issue and you were serious a slight shift in words could have inspired confidence in you and your plan. Something like "Ben, we both know it's too much to ask. You can't simply print an extra $500 per month, so here's what we do. I will make a bigger roster, float this around to a few people for feedback to make sure they will do it, and let's meet at the same time on Thursday. To throw you a bone, I'll take the $1000 and I will be available to whoever is on call as a level 2 support option only if they are stumped."
Inaction when Bob approached you about leaving. You know Ben was trying to rile you up. Why not walk into his office smiling and laughing and say "Cute Ben, I got to admit I didn't see that coming. First, let me apologize for being such a hard ass, normally I am pretty agreeable." .......resume negotiations, use amused master!!
Inaction when Bob approached you about time off. Seriously? Your boss is mega passive aggressive. He doesn't want Bob, he wants you to come to him and give him what he wants. To a great negotiator, it's a game and he is using Bob as a pawn. I'd have told Bob, " *Sigh* No, because I will be golfing with Ben, he's pissed at me and I will take care of it.". Bob clearly does NOT want this promotion, so for his sake at least go talk to Ben.
This attitude: "boss being a cunt just get another job ". Forget that, you need to get a pair. Even if you do end up moving along, start to stand up for yourself right now. If you actually are going to get another job, what do you have to lose? Why not have fun with the negotiation? Engage this Ben hands on and see how much you can actually get out of him. Or even better, take your plan to HIS BOSS and highlight Ben's failure to come up with a plan that is sustainable. Anyone asked to do that work for that pay will quickly hate the company and quit leaving it in worse shape. Make a play for his job, be a badass, be dangerous, show him you aren't the guy to be messed with.

Maximus_Valerius · 2019-03-01T16:00:18+00:00

Do you and your boss know how much time will be involved in this on-call assignment?

If not, consider offering to do the job for a trial period (one month?) so you both can get a sense for the time commitment and amount of additional compensation that would be fair. Or whether additional resources would be needed to provide the appropriate level of services.

SteelToeShitKicker · 2019-03-01T16:34:30+00:00

What is the likelihood that you would actually get called in the middle of the night? When I was in tech, we were all basically on call 24/7, but I'd get a call maybe twice or three times a year. When you make a certain salary, especially in tech, it's not a 9 to 5 job. No one thought it was such a big deal, if there was a problem, we would solve it.

You say you are getting overpaid for your work and your area. Why are you picking this hill to die on? 4 hour day commutes suck, you need to factor that into your pay, and realize that getting paid more elsewhere has to also pay for your commute, which it probably won't.

You aren't a problem solver. You could have proposed something like, I'll start it out, and get someone else trained up to share the load, etc. Instead you went full confrontation, when you don't have a good plan B.

It sounds to me like you are going rambo on your boss. On his side, it sounds like he's being a pissy little girl. You two deserve each other.

470_2_700_nm · 2019-03-03T23:54:54+00:00

Power dynamics IMO are about options.

RP praxology states it’s important to have them for obvious reasons. Wives, and bosses, are often quite adept at reading the options you have.

Girls that show interest in you all the time by eying you? Those places of business you hit that overtly or implicitly offer you a position? Wives and bosses have these options subcomminicated to them, usually quite by accident or by frame.

Your post states explicitly you do not have options and that you are working on it. Your boss read this and is playing his cards accordingly. If I were your boss I’d do the same, especially if I were paying you handsomely already and knew your options were limited.

Now go get some real options and find a way to not give a fuck, cause until then mother fucker, I’m going to keep payin you what you are being paid now whilst strong arming you into taking a deal that’s best for me.

Read the gervais principal if you don’t understand. It helped make me the way I am.

Title	When i say No the boss Stonewalls me
Author	FoxShitNasty83
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Date	March 1, 2019 8:20 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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