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Yeah, the whole time I was reading, I was bracing myself for one thinly veiled off color remark or jab at women. Nope. Just stating facts and giving advice to fraternities. Unbelievable you can lose your job for this.
Hell it even tells young men not to be alone with drunk women and to watch out for other guys who might make the same mistake. He is trying to help those men avoid a bad situation with solid advice. If anything it just shows how over sensitive people are becoming that you cant even ask questions or criticize anymore.
Which is why they want it removed. The last thing feminists want is for people to read it and discover for themselves that it makes some reasonable, well thought out observations. By censoring it and having it removed there'll be no evidence to contradict the feminist narrative that the article was such an offensive, victim-blaming piece that "perpetuates rape culture" it had to be banned.
Man you wouldn't even believe. No insurance company ever wanted to insure a fraternity so a while ago, pretty much all the major fraternities got together and formed an insurance pool that all member organizations pull from. Based on an assessed risk rating, each organization has varying rates. In a fraternity on the East coast and a pledge from a West coast chapter dies? Your rates are going up next year.
Anyway, part of this insurance pool was a list of party rules called FIPG that every chapter of every organization must follow (or just don't get caught).
They include:
Must have a list before the party starts. Only people on the list can go in.
No hard alcohol.
No party games that encourage binge drinking.
All guests must bring their own booze. (6 beers or 4 wine coolers max)
Once that booze is checked in, they are not allowed to leave with it.
Everyone must also check out when they leave and the time needs to be documented.
Everyone must be 21 and have IDs checked at the door.
This is just a few. Here is the full document. Its ridiculous.
Wow, been a while since I've been in college. Had no idea that kind of stuff was implemented. Heh, kind of makes sense, back in my day the big issue was all the alcohol poisoning on that happened on campus
Totally unimaginable though. My frat decided to have a full 100% legit party for fun once and it was fucking stale as you can imagine. Only lasted a half hour before we switched back to regular party mode. So since everyone is so uptight now, all the parties moved to off campus houses and the uni is freaking out. Its not as easy to control and police parties when they can be in literally any house surrounding the school.
The parties are like a disease to the school. They can try to kill it, but it will adapt and be even harder face then.
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That contributor that got booted from Forbes also wrote an article about not banning kegs at parties, but making sure they're there. It's pretty good logic. If you limit the number of drinks guests are allowed to bring or drink at the party, there's a higher probability that they'll drink more before or after the party.
The parties are like a disease to the school. They can try to kill it, but it will adapt and be even harder face then.
It's not even that... the rules they are making are increasing the problem rather than helping it.
It's their typical adaptation blindness. They think they will change the rules and people won't adapt to the changed rules. Just plain stupidity.
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a while ago I got together with some (jewish) fraternity guys and girls on a trip here(Guess where?) and they used the party we were both going to as an excuse to get hammered into a coma
Yeah, I was risk management chair one year. Our school had a big risk management conference with all of the presidents, risk management chairs, and anyone else who wanted to come. We went over the pooled insurance, etc.
A funny thing that came up though is that insurance companies came up with a list of the top 5 or 10 most risky things to insure. It something along the lines of:
Yeah but I suppose it'd totally set you up for being able to sue the fucking school if that happened. Suing schools is happing alot now when guys are getting falsely accused and kicked out because women lie.
I have a good mind to start a mens only college/university. I'm sure it'd be easy to secure funding that you wouldn't need federal funding which is why most of these colleges are bending over and taking it up the ass by Obama and his false stats quoting ass.
Identify drunks at the door. I don’t care how pretty or flirtatious a young lady is; if she’s visibly intoxicated, don’t let her in.
In addition to the usual bouncers, assign several brothers to monitor female party guests. If any appear out of control, walk them to the door and put them in a cab heading back to their dorm. You can send me the bill. If they refuse to leave, call for an escort from campus police.
Never, ever take a drunk female guest to your bedroom – even if you have a signed contract indicating sexual consent. Based on new standards being promulgated on campus, all consent is null and void the minute a woman becomes intoxicated – even if she is your fiancée.
This man is saying that brothers at the fraternity should be vigilant; he is saying that if a girl is intoxicated, one should under no circumstances sleep with her. The part he adds that's different from feminists, however, is that the females are irresponsible in their actions.
That's not allowed anymore? Don't mess with drunks, because they make bad decisions, isn't allowed anymore?
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You've missed the point. What's "not allowed anymore" is publicly writing articles about this topic (and many others) from a male viewpoint.
Bill Frezza brought victim-blaming all the way back around to suggest that "drunk female guests" who get raped at fraternity parties are actually the "threat."
Do you see who we are dealing with? The incriminated article never mentionned rape nor sexual assault, only false rape accusations. But in the mind of the tumblrcunts that pass for journalists these days, false rape accusations do not exist. Anything a Divine Womyn feels has happened, has actually happened. If she feels she has been raped then this should never be questioned. I'm not making this up, this is current feminist mainstream propagandizing and lobbying.
In the words of Anita Sarkeesian's recent Xoxo conference: "LISTEN AND BELIEVE" (or else!).
We are assisting to the propping up of a Divine caste.
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Don't link to their site and give them traffic. Link to an archived version.
Identify drunks at the door. I don’t care how pretty or flirtatious a young lady is; if she’s visibly intoxicated, don’t let her in.
Ever try to deny a hot drunk girl something? There's good odds she will make a huge hassle for just being denied entry while her friends are allowed in. The second point seems like it could work, but we really shouldn't be having these precautions because one gender can't handle their liquor.
Don't forget the vindictive ones who will call up claiming false charges out of spite, a la the false gang rape charge mentioned in the article which gets a party shut down and the house a stigma.
Men are censored because of feminist views on the grounds of "political correctness" no matter how much truth there is to them. And yet, the feminazis whine about how women have no power. Ha.
A woman could write the most heinous misandry article imaginable... And nobody would bat an eyelash.
Il est dangereux d’avoir raison dans des choses où des hommes accrédités ont tort.
It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.
"Catalogue pour la plupart des écrivains français qui ont paru dans Le Siècle de Louis XIV, pour servir à l'histoire littéraire de ce temps," Le Siècle de Louis XIV (1752)
Note: The most frequently attributed variant of this quote is: It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
The entire femanazi movement is a shining example of how women are when they have power. The second women received the right to vote they immediately cried "VICTIM". Our forefathers weren't stupid. They explicitly gave only men the right to vote for a reason.
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Well certain parties inherently stand for certain things. For instance, for personal reasons, I will never vote for a Democrat. That party is nothing but new wave socialism, but as someone who tends to vote conservative, I won't always vote Republican. I'll vote libertarian sometimes or for another third party, or write my own name in if I don't like any of the candidates.
Both parties are stupid, but the GOP is worse. Bringing in guys like Bush and Romney isn't going to solve anything. It's not like the president has much power, but at least the majority of Democrats aren't corporation's bitches openly.
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If you don't think that anybody who makes it to the podium is somebody's bitch, you're delusional.
Lol have you been occupying wall Street? You know who the party of the feminist are right? I don't know what the fuck a liberal is doing TRP. Democrats are the party of the feminist socialist. How many short green haired feminist do you think vote for conservative, patriotic, and family values? How many feminist love America and it's historical way of of life? What exactly do you think conservatives are trying to conserve?
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If you believe this (as it seems many folks who agree with you, do) why don't you do something about it instead of whining? Use the male privilege you have been given. If you believe that to be true, act.
Sorry, the Marine Corps took away my (nonexistent) male privilege for 8 years. I'll get back to you when I regain my free will and ability to think for myself... Oh wait... Unlike the bluepillers, modern feminists, and white knighting betas; I never gave up those things. I see the reality of things, and I better myself everyday instead of letting myself be didctated by the harsh truths, such as the one in my original comment. That is doing something about it, instead of "whining"
Nope, joined on my own terms after school because I wanted to do something better with my life than sitting behind a keyboard acting like a baddass, with an inability to distinguish sarcasm from literal meaning.
You're really barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to get a rise out of someone. Your right to sit and fuck with people on the internet, instead of contributing to conversations with intellect, or doing anything mildly constructive... Is one of the rights I swore to protect.
Frezza is just the latest example in a long line of writers who have used their media platforms to suggest that college women are getting too drunk and falsely accusing men of rape.
This is what angers me. It's not a suggestion. IT'S TRUE.
According to current mainstream feminist propaganda, false rape accusations are virtually non existent. They are so few that they're discountable. Hence the hoops the Gawker cunt goes through to deny the real (I assume he is a guy).
There is nothing more abhorrent to a woman than the realization that she fucked a less desirable man, and that worse, other people may know she did.
They get drunk in the hopes that a high value man might decide to take her to bed. If she wakes up the next day and realizes that her suitor wasn't what she hoped, well... hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Frezza is basically saying WOMEN CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO ACT LIKE ADULTS AT FRAT PARTIES
And he is completely right. Under the new rules of Title IX every fraternity will have a huge bullseye on it. You cannot get drunk and have sex, because if you do - inevitably you will be accused of rape.
It will happen - and if frats want to continue to operate then they have to be on point about drunk girls and get them the fuck out of the house.
Girls, you're now getting escorted to the door - not to the bedroom. You just lost your frat party pass.
Second, men and women all want the same amount of sex (right feminists?)?
Third, if the issue is women going to parties where guys want to fuck them and then they have sex with those guys is an issue, I fail to see what the issue is, whether these women be sober or drunk off their ass.
Is this the Victorian era where women were expected to never want to fuck? Women want to fuck, men want to fuck, they go to a party, get drunk, fuck - what is the goddamn problem? Seriously?
If everyone wants to have sex, and they have sex, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
I really would LOVE a SJW or someone like that to explain this to me.
People make irrational decisions when drunk. Women are making irrational decisions regarding sex in these cases. They regret having sex because their hamster spins them into believing it lowers their social status amongst their peers. Thus, she cries rape. Even though sex might have happened weeks before, not immediately after.
The problem is that women, surprise surprise, do not want to be held accountable for their bad decisions. Rape is then trivialized. Real rape victims lose their shit. States declare rape as sex acts while intoxicated (EDIT: Men's-only rule guys!).
Bottom line: if things keep escalating this way, in the next few years, everyone is a rapist.
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Joe Rogan pointed out in a podcast... that all of these drunk consent laws prove women are the weaker sex. Apparently when a man gets drunk and has sex, he's still responsible for it... but when a woman gets drunk, there's no way she can consent... it must be RAPEEEEE!!!!
I picked a guy up from a bank, helped him load a hostage in the back, ran a red light and hit an old lady... but I was drunk so we're all good here, yeah?
if things keep escalating this way, in the next few years, everyone is a rapist.
Ha well, I've already discussed this intellectual problem on TRP.
First of all, heard of the "Patriarchy"?
The idea is, men collectively oppress women.
So logically, every decision a woman makes is under duress - under the pressure of the patriarchy.
What this means is that everything a woman does for a man is coerced. All sex is rape. All interactions a woman has with a man is under threat of coercion and violence.
We've been here since the 70s. Dworkin correctly already came to this logical conclusion.
What to do about it? Honestly, not sure. MGTOW is the best I can come up with.
Honest feminists believe that all male-female sex is rape by default because their beliefs necessitate it. Most feminists pick-and-choose how consistent they are because they actually really like fucking men and only someone heavily educated or carefully indoctrinated can rationalize themselves into believing that all men are actually rapists.
Almost all feminists will stop being feminist as soon as it harms them personally or even just the men in their lives they actually love, such as their children.
Feminism has an end date when boys' lives are systematically ruined where their mothers can see them hurting. The current set of rules being forced on universities makes me think feminism has about 20 years before the backlash has serious political clout. It could happen sooner if something causes feminist women to lose status more than is offset by their glory in fighting the good fight and indignation at feeling they've been wronged. It's possible that it could happen later (more than 30 years) but I can only conceive of that if feminism actually begins to shift toward egalitarianism.
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I'm just slowly starting to hope for the Russians to invade my country next..
we are already there. i'm a good-looking, well-dressed guy. i keep to myself and rarely make eye-contact. i'm the opposite of what most females would consider "creepy" or "gross". yet i still feel like a rapist. why is that?
I don't think anybody wants to be held accountable for his bad decisions. And that's okay. What isn't okay is destroying another person because of what a person has decided is a bad decision after the fact.
That would be a preferable outcome - once they have overreached and overhyped it to the point where nearly everyone is a criminal, the label loses its meaning.
Or they regret having sex because they didn't go out intending to have sex, drank too much/didn't know their limits, and things escalated fast. Lots of girls don't go out to get drunk and have sex.
Who cares why they regret it? Being a whore is their problem, but feminism is making it my problem via my penis. They should not be allowed to make such a damaging accusation so easily, with no consequences, just because they regret it.
But that's the case here. You get accused of rape, you prove your innocence or you go to jail. You're excusing ridiculous accusations because "Hey, they might not have intended to go to that party for sex!"
Women are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.
That's feminists. And some women, maybe even most, but there's enough women who are capable of taking responsibility for their own actions that NAWALT is actually true in this case.
The problem is that you're giving females too much agency in this situation. Many radical feminists don't like such a thing-this "bleeds" into everyday discourse. Victims are not allowed to have agency or be on equal footing with their oppressor, otherwise the master/slave dichotomy cannot exist.
However, in their minds agency is only fully realized after a bad decision where excuses and rationalizations can occur. Notice how every suggestion to prevent rape (like not walking around alone at night in a sketch-ass neighborhood or nail polish that changes color when drugs are present) is decried as victim blaming. Giving women agency before something can happen allows women freedom of thought, and that just don't jibe with the message.
Let me explain this very simply for you... When people don't have consequences they WILL abuse their power. A girl can ruin a man's life and not think twice about it, just to turn herself into a victim. Worst case scenario, the guy is innocent and she gets off clean. Best case, victim card FOR LIFE.
Could you imagine how much people would abuse other things in life if they worked like this?
Yeah he earned his bloodwings to get hired in a maverick conservative journal. But he is not just a writer... and I doubt maverick right wing universities are allowed.
and a woman lays a hand on you sexually, charge her with rape.
Good luck proving it, chances are you go to the police, you'll be arrested.
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Tracy Clark-Flory tweeted hate at this Frezza guy saying that he is the problem.
Not that Clark-Flory ever got the shit fucked out of her while she was drunk or anything.
Hilarious.
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Easy solution, don't fuck college girls while in college, find something out of that hostile enviroment. You will hear how "All the guys are just cowards" and shit like this but still better then false rape charges.
Do like I do. Just go plunder a different school. Shit, you don't really even have to be a student to take advantage of what college sluts are offering.
Come to think of it, my new advice to all men: Don't go to college. Go to a trade school, lie about being in college, and plunder all campuses in range.
Sad to see it. His article had so much common sense. But most of America, even the world, lacks that attribute. But damn does it make it easy to manipulate and step on them.
My problem with the author getting fired is that there seems to be a vicious double-standard for this sort of thing. Time Magazine has published plenty of articles that raise the hackles of the SJW type.
Honestly, I just wish this stuff were an honest discussion. I think it would be better for men and for women if these things could be addressed with intelligent, considered conversation rather than instant moral outrage.
"Just this week, eight prominent frats announced they will work together to develop training programs for their members on binge drinking and sexual assault." Yea. That will fix the issue. Because clearly fraternities don't understand the dangers of binge drinking. Not like the article in question listed a ton of ways they try to prevent binge drinking and heavily intoxicated individuals from entering their house. If anything, I bet everything in that article will actually be told in these meetings by their nationals in an effort to help prevent their chapters from getting fucked over and kicked off campus because someone got too drunk at a party and shit went down.
what really rubs me the wrong way about this is feminist along with society ironically claim to want equality for women but everything about the actions taken with this article indicates they cant even take hypothetical criticism equally. Shouldn't feminist be up in arms that they are being sheltered and treated like children? the really sad part is if this article swapped genders or even had racist connotations it would have been more or less fine.
Camille Paglia is the one you want to read up on, then. She once said, "I can't believe this pandering crap! When I was an active feminist, we fought for the RIGHT to risk date rape!" She said this in regards to how colleges are infantilizing women in the modern age.
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In my opinion the parties and sex isn't worth it, your there to try and educate your self, focus on that. the days of parties at such institutions is over, spoiled by those whom do not wish to take responsibility for their own actions.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
If you want that fine wife and home and family some day, work on those things after your done with your education, not during.
The objections raised by other parties are not the concerns raised by individuals like Frezza. Those who attempt to portray this simply as girl whom are too drunk being assaulted and seeking justice are not viewing the whole narrative. This example is heinous and does deserve swift action--I cannot think of a person who believes sex with an incapacitated person is okay.
The issue raised by Frezza here rears its head when one drunken night at a frat house many moons ago can be used as blackmail against any male at that party, which is followed up by some joke tribunal of he said, she said and instructions from the Department of Justice which places the emphasis on the "preponderance of evidence" rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt". There is no cross examination. There is the presumption of guilt when engaging in the process. You get no lawyer. It is a matter which is handled entirely internally by the schools by individuals not qualified to judge a pie contest, let alone the future implications of "substantiated" accusations.
That wouldn't matter to the women - they don't do it for the sex, they do it for the attention. If you removed sex completely, the attention competition would just have one less event.
I wonder if date rape hysteria is the ultimate shit test. Wouldn't it be primarily betas who a) commit date rape b) worry about committing date rape?
Too many betas and orbiters are intimacy sluts, they'll cuddle, sleep with a girl (no boners or touching though, teehee!), listen to her talk about how "dating in this city is impossible," etc., without realizing that by withholding the aforementioned they have leverage for poon.
I could see such an AFC getting drunk, going home with a girl thinking he's finally going to get ass, fumbling and fucking everything up, she relinquishing the pussy reluctantly (if for no other reason than she is drunk and horny and at least he's got a dick), with the next-morning shame, guilt, and second-guessing overwhelming her.
I'm not trying to say there aren't psychos out there who rape women under the pretext of a date, but statistically the number of them is necessarily low, and can't possibly account for the epidemic. It's not to blame women, either, but we must understand the aforementioned dynamic -- betas get laid, too, just not as often, and typically in awkward fashion.
Date-rape-hysteria-as-shit-test works by sapping the confidence of unsure betas before they even meet women, let alone take them out ("I better not take advantage of this little daisy, I will be a gentleman and self-consciously request even the smallest K-close instead of making a move that might construe me as a dog."); it also allows women to discard, disqualify and reverse-hamsterize the betas she does settle for, especially if she is pre-wall and he doesn't have money.
When was the last time you were able to walk across a college campus without hearing some blue-haired coed gossiping with her friends about Richard Branson's 5 New Leadership Techniques?
This "can't-get-enough-Forbes-magazine" mania that's so consistently entranced generations of college aged feminists has always been their cash cow, so it's only reasonable that they'd go to such lengths to avoid pissing such a prized demographic off.
But how is the columnist's observation of drunk women relevant, when it comes to men sticking their dick in these women without any form of explicit nor implicate consent?
Here is the article
I recommend you download it and save it in case imgur tries to remove it.
I don't normally ask for upvotes, but I would appreciate them so this article becomes visible.Thank you for upvoting this for visibility.It's pretty hilarious how unoffensive the article actually is.
Yeah, the whole time I was reading, I was bracing myself for one thinly veiled off color remark or jab at women. Nope. Just stating facts and giving advice to fraternities. Unbelievable you can lose your job for this.
I need feminism because there are still people out there encouraging women to have even a shred of personal responsibility.
One of the best articles I've ever read. Don't see why it was taken down.
Hell it even tells young men not to be alone with drunk women and to watch out for other guys who might make the same mistake. He is trying to help those men avoid a bad situation with solid advice. If anything it just shows how over sensitive people are becoming that you cant even ask questions or criticize anymore.
Which is why they want it removed. The last thing feminists want is for people to read it and discover for themselves that it makes some reasonable, well thought out observations. By censoring it and having it removed there'll be no evidence to contradict the feminist narrative that the article was such an offensive, victim-blaming piece that "perpetuates rape culture" it had to be banned.
Good article. I didn't know there were actual rules for partying on campus and they are enforced.
Man you wouldn't even believe. No insurance company ever wanted to insure a fraternity so a while ago, pretty much all the major fraternities got together and formed an insurance pool that all member organizations pull from. Based on an assessed risk rating, each organization has varying rates. In a fraternity on the East coast and a pledge from a West coast chapter dies? Your rates are going up next year.
Anyway, part of this insurance pool was a list of party rules called FIPG that every chapter of every organization must follow (or just don't get caught).
They include:
Must have a list before the party starts. Only people on the list can go in.
No hard alcohol.
No party games that encourage binge drinking.
All guests must bring their own booze. (6 beers or 4 wine coolers max)
Once that booze is checked in, they are not allowed to leave with it.
Everyone must also check out when they leave and the time needs to be documented.
Everyone must be 21 and have IDs checked at the door.
This is just a few. Here is the full document. Its ridiculous.
Wow, been a while since I've been in college. Had no idea that kind of stuff was implemented. Heh, kind of makes sense, back in my day the big issue was all the alcohol poisoning on that happened on campus
Totally unimaginable though. My frat decided to have a full 100% legit party for fun once and it was fucking stale as you can imagine. Only lasted a half hour before we switched back to regular party mode. So since everyone is so uptight now, all the parties moved to off campus houses and the uni is freaking out. Its not as easy to control and police parties when they can be in literally any house surrounding the school.
The parties are like a disease to the school. They can try to kill it, but it will adapt and be even harder face then.
That contributor that got booted from Forbes also wrote an article about not banning kegs at parties, but making sure they're there. It's pretty good logic. If you limit the number of drinks guests are allowed to bring or drink at the party, there's a higher probability that they'll drink more before or after the party.
It's not even that... the rules they are making are increasing the problem rather than helping it.
It's their typical adaptation blindness. They think they will change the rules and people won't adapt to the changed rules. Just plain stupidity.
a while ago I got together with some (jewish) fraternity guys and girls on a trip here(Guess where?) and they used the party we were both going to as an excuse to get hammered into a coma
this is just weird.
Yeah, I was risk management chair one year. Our school had a big risk management conference with all of the presidents, risk management chairs, and anyone else who wanted to come. We went over the pooled insurance, etc.
A funny thing that came up though is that insurance companies came up with a list of the top 5 or 10 most risky things to insure. It something along the lines of:
Wow, sounds like a great party...
In all seriousness, at least that maximises the safety of everyone involved.
He was talking about his fraternity specifically.
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I'm not a mathematician or anything, but I think I just learned a new logic theory entitled "Men are just plain fucked"
Drunk Woman + Sober Man = Rape
Drunk Woman + Drunk Man = Rape
Sober Woman + Drunk Man = Rape
Sober Woman + Sober Man = Consensual, unless she regrets it.
Not drunk. One drink is enough!
"So you saw her with a red cup in her hand."
"Yes, but then we left and hung out for a few hours. There was a build up, it was a great time."
"So you kidnapped her before you raped her?"
Just imagine the shit storm that would happen if men were allowed to drive with .08 BAC and women weren't allowed to blow even a .01 BAC.
This is exactly what campus rules are enforcing regarding sexual assault.
Also don't forget that no matter how drunk the two of you are if she enjoyed it in the morning it's not rape...
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Yeah but I suppose it'd totally set you up for being able to sue the fucking school if that happened. Suing schools is happing alot now when guys are getting falsely accused and kicked out because women lie.
I have a good mind to start a mens only college/university. I'm sure it'd be easy to secure funding that you wouldn't need federal funding which is why most of these colleges are bending over and taking it up the ass by Obama and his false stats quoting ass.
I don't understand what's wrong with the article.
This man is saying that brothers at the fraternity should be vigilant; he is saying that if a girl is intoxicated, one should under no circumstances sleep with her. The part he adds that's different from feminists, however, is that the females are irresponsible in their actions.
That's not allowed anymore? Don't mess with drunks, because they make bad decisions, isn't allowed anymore?
You've missed the point. What's "not allowed anymore" is publicly writing articles about this topic (and many others) from a male viewpoint.
Exact same article, but written as "Five Things A Gentleman Does", frame every action as protecting, and you'd have feminists adoring it.
Nah, they'd still call it mansplaining
It destroys radfem propaganda. Read Gawker's strawman misrepresentation of it: http://gawker.com/forbes-columnist-drunk-female-guests-are-the-gravest-1638518934/all
Do you see who we are dealing with? The incriminated article never mentionned rape nor sexual assault, only false rape accusations. But in the mind of the tumblrcunts that pass for journalists these days, false rape accusations do not exist. Anything a Divine Womyn feels has happened, has actually happened. If she feels she has been raped then this should never be questioned. I'm not making this up, this is current feminist mainstream propagandizing and lobbying.
In the words of Anita Sarkeesian's recent Xoxo conference: "LISTEN AND BELIEVE" (or else!).
We are assisting to the propping up of a Divine caste.
Don't link to their site and give them traffic. Link to an archived version.
Ever try to deny a hot drunk girl something? There's good odds she will make a huge hassle for just being denied entry while her friends are allowed in. The second point seems like it could work, but we really shouldn't be having these precautions because one gender can't handle their liquor.
Don't forget the vindictive ones who will call up claiming false charges out of spite, a la the false gang rape charge mentioned in the article which gets a party shut down and the house a stigma.
Men are censored because of feminist views on the grounds of "political correctness" no matter how much truth there is to them. And yet, the feminazis whine about how women have no power. Ha.
A woman could write the most heinous misandry article imaginable... And nobody would bat an eyelash.
If you want to know who rules over you, simply find out who you aren't allowed to criticize.
I am bookmarking this quote. That's astute.
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Really? Wow, I could've sworn my history proffessor atributed it to Voltaire as well...
Voltaire was a pretty astute cat.
Not Voltaire (although often attributed to him).
What Voltaire actually said
It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.
"Catalogue pour la plupart des écrivains français qui ont paru dans Le Siècle de Louis XIV, pour servir à l'histoire littéraire de ce temps," Le Siècle de Louis XIV (1752)
Note: The most frequently attributed variant of this quote is: It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
Added to the list of wise quotes that should be widespread knowledge.
The entire femanazi movement is a shining example of how women are when they have power. The second women received the right to vote they immediately cried "VICTIM". Our forefathers weren't stupid. They explicitly gave only men the right to vote for a reason.
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Well certain parties inherently stand for certain things. For instance, for personal reasons, I will never vote for a Democrat. That party is nothing but new wave socialism, but as someone who tends to vote conservative, I won't always vote Republican. I'll vote libertarian sometimes or for another third party, or write my own name in if I don't like any of the candidates.
Both parties are stupid, but the GOP is worse. Bringing in guys like Bush and Romney isn't going to solve anything. It's not like the president has much power, but at least the majority of Democrats aren't corporation's bitches openly.
If you don't think that anybody who makes it to the podium is somebody's bitch, you're delusional.
Lol have you been occupying wall Street? You know who the party of the feminist are right? I don't know what the fuck a liberal is doing TRP. Democrats are the party of the feminist socialist. How many short green haired feminist do you think vote for conservative, patriotic, and family values? How many feminist love America and it's historical way of of life? What exactly do you think conservatives are trying to conserve?
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If you believe this (as it seems many folks who agree with you, do) why don't you do something about it instead of whining? Use the male privilege you have been given. If you believe that to be true, act.
Sorry, the Marine Corps took away my (nonexistent) male privilege for 8 years. I'll get back to you when I regain my free will and ability to think for myself... Oh wait... Unlike the bluepillers, modern feminists, and white knighting betas; I never gave up those things. I see the reality of things, and I better myself everyday instead of letting myself be didctated by the harsh truths, such as the one in my original comment. That is doing something about it, instead of "whining"
I'm sorry to hear you were drafted or forced into the military as an option instead of prison. My condolences.
Nope, joined on my own terms after school because I wanted to do something better with my life than sitting behind a keyboard acting like a baddass, with an inability to distinguish sarcasm from literal meaning.
You're really barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to get a rise out of someone. Your right to sit and fuck with people on the internet, instead of contributing to conversations with intellect, or doing anything mildly constructive... Is one of the rights I swore to protect.
This is what angers me. It's not a suggestion. IT'S TRUE.
According to current mainstream feminist propaganda, false rape accusations are virtually non existent. They are so few that they're discountable. Hence the hoops the Gawker cunt goes through to deny the real (I assume he is a guy).
If it's true, then someone needs to compile a big list of these incidents to link to at times like this.
There is nothing more abhorrent to a woman than the realization that she fucked a less desirable man, and that worse, other people may know she did.
They get drunk in the hopes that a high value man might decide to take her to bed. If she wakes up the next day and realizes that her suitor wasn't what she hoped, well... hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Even if she was scorned by Prince Charming Billionaire who not only wasn't at the party, but doesn't even exist outside her imagination.
"Fahrenheit 451" style thought-police are right around the corner.
I think you're thinking of the wrong novel. 1984 has more of the thought suppression going in.
You're thinking about this wrong.
Hmmm, very subtle. I like your style.
Wow now you can't even say drunk people make bad decisions
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you are a massive sexist and rapist apologizer!
Frezza is basically saying WOMEN CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO ACT LIKE ADULTS AT FRAT PARTIES
And he is completely right. Under the new rules of Title IX every fraternity will have a huge bullseye on it. You cannot get drunk and have sex, because if you do - inevitably you will be accused of rape.
It will happen - and if frats want to continue to operate then they have to be on point about drunk girls and get them the fuck out of the house.
Girls, you're now getting escorted to the door - not to the bedroom. You just lost your frat party pass.
I'm sure it'd totally save frats tons of cash... because bitches are probably some of the biggest drinkers in the party.
I wish I could corner a feminist about this.
First, everyone wants sex, right?
Second, men and women all want the same amount of sex (right feminists?)?
Third, if the issue is women going to parties where guys want to fuck them and then they have sex with those guys is an issue, I fail to see what the issue is, whether these women be sober or drunk off their ass.
Is this the Victorian era where women were expected to never want to fuck? Women want to fuck, men want to fuck, they go to a party, get drunk, fuck - what is the goddamn problem? Seriously?
If everyone wants to have sex, and they have sex, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
I really would LOVE a SJW or someone like that to explain this to me.
People make irrational decisions when drunk. Women are making irrational decisions regarding sex in these cases. They regret having sex because their hamster spins them into believing it lowers their social status amongst their peers. Thus, she cries rape. Even though sex might have happened weeks before, not immediately after.
The problem is that women, surprise surprise, do not want to be held accountable for their bad decisions. Rape is then trivialized. Real rape victims lose their shit. States declare rape as sex acts while intoxicated (EDIT: Men's-only rule guys!).
Bottom line: if things keep escalating this way, in the next few years, everyone is a rapist.
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Joe Rogan pointed out in a podcast... that all of these drunk consent laws prove women are the weaker sex. Apparently when a man gets drunk and has sex, he's still responsible for it... but when a woman gets drunk, there's no way she can consent... it must be RAPEEEEE!!!!
I robbed a bank, shot 3 guards and took a dude hostage... but I was drunk so we're all good here, yeah?
I picked a guy up from a bank, helped him load a hostage in the back, ran a red light and hit an old lady... but I was drunk so we're all good here, yeah?
If you get drunk and kill someone with your car - you're a criminal.
If a woman gets drunk and has sex - she's a victim.
What if two men got drunk and engaged in sexual act? (Both were out-of-the-closet gays before the act itself)
Dual rape. This isn't rocket science.
I would like to see a ruling on this though.
... and what if two drunk lesbians are accusing each other of rape after drunken lickfest?
How could I forget this small detail?
Ha well, I've already discussed this intellectual problem on TRP.
First of all, heard of the "Patriarchy"?
The idea is, men collectively oppress women.
So logically, every decision a woman makes is under duress - under the pressure of the patriarchy.
What this means is that everything a woman does for a man is coerced. All sex is rape. All interactions a woman has with a man is under threat of coercion and violence.
We've been here since the 70s. Dworkin correctly already came to this logical conclusion.
What to do about it? Honestly, not sure. MGTOW is the best I can come up with.
Honest feminists believe that all male-female sex is rape by default because their beliefs necessitate it. Most feminists pick-and-choose how consistent they are because they actually really like fucking men and only someone heavily educated or carefully indoctrinated can rationalize themselves into believing that all men are actually rapists.
#killallfeminists
Unfortunately there are some feminists that are otherwise nice people, so the trick would be to figure out how to make them stop being feminist.
Almost all feminists will stop being feminist as soon as it harms them personally or even just the men in their lives they actually love, such as their children.
Feminism has an end date when boys' lives are systematically ruined where their mothers can see them hurting. The current set of rules being forced on universities makes me think feminism has about 20 years before the backlash has serious political clout. It could happen sooner if something causes feminist women to lose status more than is offset by their glory in fighting the good fight and indignation at feeling they've been wronged. It's possible that it could happen later (more than 30 years) but I can only conceive of that if feminism actually begins to shift toward egalitarianism.
I'm just slowly starting to hope for the Russians to invade my country next..
we are already there. i'm a good-looking, well-dressed guy. i keep to myself and rarely make eye-contact. i'm the opposite of what most females would consider "creepy" or "gross". yet i still feel like a rapist. why is that?
Because you don't check your privilege duh.
Because you're a pussy and you care
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Yes, let's just give up what we really want because the big bad world is out to get us.
I don't think anybody wants to be held accountable for his bad decisions. And that's okay. What isn't okay is destroying another person because of what a person has decided is a bad decision after the fact.
That would be a preferable outcome - once they have overreached and overhyped it to the point where nearly everyone is a criminal, the label loses its meaning.
Or they regret having sex because they didn't go out intending to have sex, drank too much/didn't know their limits, and things escalated fast. Lots of girls don't go out to get drunk and have sex.
Who cares why they regret it? Being a whore is their problem, but feminism is making it my problem via my penis. They should not be allowed to make such a damaging accusation so easily, with no consequences, just because they regret it.
Firstly, I didn't say anything about rape claims. Secondly, to be on the safe side, don't have sex with very drunk random girls if you're sober.
Please stop your slutshaming. We had a parade about this already
So... a dude is jailed because they regret something?
I regret ever having met my ex. Can she please be jailed?
I didn't say anything about jail or rape claims.
But that's the case here.
You get accused of rape, you prove your innocence or you go to jail. You're excusing ridiculous accusations because "Hey, they might not have intended to go to that party for sex!"
Bullshit, I knew my limit the first time i drank.
And everyone is the same as you.
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Women are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.
SJWs don't explain. They insult, shame, and attack. (And on Reddit, downvote.)
That's feminists. And some women, maybe even most, but there's enough women who are capable of taking responsibility for their own actions that NAWALT is actually true in this case.
The problem is that you're giving females too much agency in this situation. Many radical feminists don't like such a thing-this "bleeds" into everyday discourse. Victims are not allowed to have agency or be on equal footing with their oppressor, otherwise the master/slave dichotomy cannot exist.
However, in their minds agency is only fully realized after a bad decision where excuses and rationalizations can occur. Notice how every suggestion to prevent rape (like not walking around alone at night in a sketch-ass neighborhood or nail polish that changes color when drugs are present) is decried as victim blaming. Giving women agency before something can happen allows women freedom of thought, and that just don't jibe with the message.
You think these people are capable of logic? Now YOU are being illogical. Know your enemy.
Let me explain this very simply for you... When people don't have consequences they WILL abuse their power. A girl can ruin a man's life and not think twice about it, just to turn herself into a victim. Worst case scenario, the guy is innocent and she gets off clean. Best case, victim card FOR LIFE.
Could you imagine how much people would abuse other things in life if they worked like this?
Not the way to go about it. Bring up female rape stats. Especially of children.
Your second point is one huge troll.
Are you saying there is literally no other purpose to a frat party than sex?
"If you want to know who your boss is, look at who you aren't allowed to criticize"
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http://i.imgur.com/TWCjeFv.jpg
Someone loaded a screencap to Imgur.
Someone give this man a raise.
Yeah he earned his bloodwings to get hired in a maverick conservative journal. But he is not just a writer... and I doubt maverick right wing universities are allowed.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2014/09/23/drunk-female-guests-are-the-gravest-threat-to-fraternities/ Link to actual article.
preserved for future generations at https://archive.today/if9iW
Parents should be educating their kids to know better than to sleep with these women. Short term gain for quite high risk.
Common sense has been criminalized.
Won't be long now before pointing out the obvious is classified as a capital offense.
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Is it just me or does more of the same simply not seem like the right solution?
Good luck proving it, chances are you go to the police, you'll be arrested.
Tracy Clark-Flory tweeted hate at this Frezza guy saying that he is the problem.
Not that Clark-Flory ever got the shit fucked out of her while she was drunk or anything.
Hilarious.
Easy solution, don't fuck college girls while in college, find something out of that hostile enviroment. You will hear how "All the guys are just cowards" and shit like this but still better then false rape charges.
Do like I do. Just go plunder a different school. Shit, you don't really even have to be a student to take advantage of what college sluts are offering.
Come to think of it, my new advice to all men: Don't go to college. Go to a trade school, lie about being in college, and plunder all campuses in range.
I'm sure if that was the case Forbes wouldn't have anyone to report on.
Sad to see it. His article had so much common sense. But most of America, even the world, lacks that attribute. But damn does it make it easy to manipulate and step on them.
Link to the unbiased article and site instead: http://www.mediaite.com/online/forbes-columnist-argues-drunk-female-students-are-threat-to-frats/
Thinkprogress is weasel-unfair while gawker is brutally so.
Man i never thought id be glad to live in a third world country
My problem with the author getting fired is that there seems to be a vicious double-standard for this sort of thing. Time Magazine has published plenty of articles that raise the hackles of the SJW type.
Honestly, I just wish this stuff were an honest discussion. I think it would be better for men and for women if these things could be addressed with intelligent, considered conversation rather than instant moral outrage.
"Just this week, eight prominent frats announced they will work together to develop training programs for their members on binge drinking and sexual assault." Yea. That will fix the issue. Because clearly fraternities don't understand the dangers of binge drinking. Not like the article in question listed a ton of ways they try to prevent binge drinking and heavily intoxicated individuals from entering their house. If anything, I bet everything in that article will actually be told in these meetings by their nationals in an effort to help prevent their chapters from getting fucked over and kicked off campus because someone got too drunk at a party and shit went down.
I want Emma Watson to make a speech on this.
I want Emma Watson to sit on my face....Er I MEAN SPEECHES and stuff like that........
what really rubs me the wrong way about this is feminist along with society ironically claim to want equality for women but everything about the actions taken with this article indicates they cant even take hypothetical criticism equally. Shouldn't feminist be up in arms that they are being sheltered and treated like children? the really sad part is if this article swapped genders or even had racist connotations it would have been more or less fine.
Camille Paglia is the one you want to read up on, then. She once said, "I can't believe this pandering crap! When I was an active feminist, we fought for the RIGHT to risk date rape!" She said this in regards to how colleges are infantilizing women in the modern age.
In my opinion the parties and sex isn't worth it, your there to try and educate your self, focus on that. the days of parties at such institutions is over, spoiled by those whom do not wish to take responsibility for their own actions.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
If you want that fine wife and home and family some day, work on those things after your done with your education, not during.
Ugh, I'm as frustrated and dissapointed about this as you guys but please consider this most likely has something to do with Money.
If not catering to the audience results in decreased funds, morals be damned.
Sad state society is.
"But I want to be the victim - unless you're not cute, or I decide differently when I'm sober."
The objections raised by other parties are not the concerns raised by individuals like Frezza. Those who attempt to portray this simply as girl whom are too drunk being assaulted and seeking justice are not viewing the whole narrative. This example is heinous and does deserve swift action--I cannot think of a person who believes sex with an incapacitated person is okay.
The issue raised by Frezza here rears its head when one drunken night at a frat house many moons ago can be used as blackmail against any male at that party, which is followed up by some joke tribunal of he said, she said and instructions from the Department of Justice which places the emphasis on the "preponderance of evidence" rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt". There is no cross examination. There is the presumption of guilt when engaging in the process. You get no lawyer. It is a matter which is handled entirely internally by the schools by individuals not qualified to judge a pie contest, let alone the future implications of "substantiated" accusations.
False rape accusations are relevant. Girls who get too drunk being irresponsible is irrelevant.
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Game theory will prevent that from happening.
That wouldn't matter to the women - they don't do it for the sex, they do it for the attention. If you removed sex completely, the attention competition would just have one less event.
Too many thirsty dudes out there who'd stick their dick in a beehive if they could get their rocks off.
this stuff needs to be documented, the internet is wonder ful for putting duplicious behavior in check in general.
don't let them document you and erase their own tracks.
edit - documented and aggregated.
http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/
I wonder if date rape hysteria is the ultimate shit test. Wouldn't it be primarily betas who a) commit date rape b) worry about committing date rape?
Too many betas and orbiters are intimacy sluts, they'll cuddle, sleep with a girl (no boners or touching though, teehee!), listen to her talk about how "dating in this city is impossible," etc., without realizing that by withholding the aforementioned they have leverage for poon.
I could see such an AFC getting drunk, going home with a girl thinking he's finally going to get ass, fumbling and fucking everything up, she relinquishing the pussy reluctantly (if for no other reason than she is drunk and horny and at least he's got a dick), with the next-morning shame, guilt, and second-guessing overwhelming her.
I'm not trying to say there aren't psychos out there who rape women under the pretext of a date, but statistically the number of them is necessarily low, and can't possibly account for the epidemic. It's not to blame women, either, but we must understand the aforementioned dynamic -- betas get laid, too, just not as often, and typically in awkward fashion.
Date-rape-hysteria-as-shit-test works by sapping the confidence of unsure betas before they even meet women, let alone take them out ("I better not take advantage of this little daisy, I will be a gentleman and self-consciously request even the smallest K-close instead of making a move that might construe me as a dog."); it also allows women to discard, disqualify and reverse-hamsterize the betas she does settle for, especially if she is pre-wall and he doesn't have money.
Honestly it's just good business sense.
When was the last time you were able to walk across a college campus without hearing some blue-haired coed gossiping with her friends about Richard Branson's 5 New Leadership Techniques?
This "can't-get-enough-Forbes-magazine" mania that's so consistently entranced generations of college aged feminists has always been their cash cow, so it's only reasonable that they'd go to such lengths to avoid pissing such a prized demographic off.
But how is the columnist's observation of drunk women relevant, when it comes to men sticking their dick in these women without any form of explicit nor implicate consent?