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A lesbian feminist writer once disguised herself as a man for 18 months to write a book on gender. After the experiment, she was institutionalized for depression, and stated that she never felt so glad for being a woman.

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Title A lesbian feminist writer once disguised herself as a man for 18 months to write a book on gender. After the experiment, she was institutionalized for depression, and stated that she never felt so glad for being a woman.
Author Captain_Unremarkable
Upvotes 969
Comments 175
Date 07 September 2014 08:52 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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353 upvotestrplurker5 years ago

This book pops up on here every six months or so. I read it awhile back, absolutely great read. She wrote it during her time in the institution from her diary she kept during her "experiment". Against her editors wish's she wrote about her experiences without any modification, meaning she didn't go back and alter / sugar coat her memories to reflect political correctness. She wrote things exactly as she experienced them, often without even knowing what she was writing.

The best part of this book isn't what she says, but what she doesn't. You can actually see her mind starting to crack and the forming of a split personality. Her pseudo male persona, Ned, had started deeply resenting her original female persona and the prejudices it held. "He" started developing self destructive thoughts and tendencies, wanting to punish himself for the attitudes and assumptions he held as Norah. Ned started loathing feminists and to an extent all women. Basically he entered into the "anger" phase after being forcibly fed the red pill.

You can even see her attraction to the strong stoic "alpha" male in the part where she's in a men's support group. That's the phase that really broke her, seeing other men's suffering and then relating to it and entering into a sympathetic mindset. She kinda saw her former self as the pretentious monster it was, and well we all know the kinds of crazy a women's mind enters when it's forced to acknowledge the consequences of their own actions.

76 upvoteswaynebradysworld5 years ago

You should be endorsed if your opinions are consistently this insightful.

16 upvotesStickyFingazWhitey5 years ago

If I didn't have a different book lined up this would be next on my list. Your insight/review made me prioritize this book over a lot of others though.

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2 upvotesEvesest5 years ago

Can't wait to read this masterpiece

2 upvotestrpSenator5 years ago

Good post. It really sheds light into the solopsic phenomenon where women genuinely think they have it harder than men, until they actually realize what it's like to be a man. Men tend to hold it all inside so it's hard for them to see the stresses and pressures men actually go through. You really can't blame them personally for that, as it's a societal issue.

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75 upvotesexit_sandman5 years ago

A, Self Made Man, never gets old (seriously, a recommendation should go to the sidebar). I wanted to open a thread with some of the choicest paragraphs, but didn't get so far except one excerpt about dating (post wall) women. Here it is:

[...] But for those women - who had never dated other women, and thus never been romantially hurt by them - men as a subspecies, not the particular men with whom they had been involved, were to blame for the wreck of a relationship and the psychic damage it had done to them.

It's hardly surprising, then, that in this atmosphere, as a single man dating women, I often felt attacked, judged, on the defensive. Whereas with the men I met and befriended as Ned there was a presumption of innocence - that is, you're a good guy until you prove otherwise - with women there was quite often a presumption of guilt: you're a cad like every other guy until you prove otherwise.

"Pass my test and then we'll see if you're worthy of me" was the implicit message coming across the table at me. And this from women who had demonstrably little to offer. "Be lighthearted," they said, though buoyant as lead zeppelins themselves. "Be kind," they insisted in the harshest of tones. "Don't be like others," they implied, while having virtually condemned me as such beforehand.

The bitterest women I met were usually in their midthirties or older. They'd been through the mill a bit and they'd probably had more than their share of hellish dates or hit-and-run relationships before I came along. To hear them tell it, the pool of eligible, mature, stable, reciprocating, emotionally evolved men out there was small and polluted, and having to wade through it when what you wanted most in life was to settle down and start a family would be enough to shorten anyone's fuse.

Then again, many of the women I met weren't emotional giants either, nor were they particularly well adjusted or stable. They just considered themselves as such. And even the ones who knew they were damaged seemed to feel entitled to expect stolidity from a man, as if, in the time-honored way of things, a man is supposed to be strong, to hold things together for a woman, to hold her up when she can't do it herself.

And this coming from a lesbian who happens to be a feminist.

27 upvotesRPSavant5 years ago

She just described the Red Pill.

11 upvotesexit_sandman5 years ago

Guess why I quoted exactly these paragraphs?

4 upvotesAdmiralVonJackass5 years ago

Her writing is good. Might have to pick it up.

160 upvotesunethical_pirate5 years ago


Actually sounds really interesting, I've just ordered her book.

Edit: just had a look at some reviews on Amazon, I normally like to form my own views before doing that. All the 1 star reviews are angry feminists, pissed off that she is empathising and seeing the world from a male prospective. Which is of course the whole point of the book. Pretty funny. I'm looking forward to reading it now.

119 upvotesThePedanticCynic5 years ago

The more a feminist hates something the more i'm willing to bet i'll like it.

59 upvotesEndless_Summer5 years ago

Well, they clearly hate the truth, so there's potential.

44 upvotescharlesbukowksi5 years ago

women's anger is the weathervane of truth

-3 upvotesbig_girls_blouse5 years ago

Bras.... Feminists hate bras... Which i fully agree with

19 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

It's a great book. I decided to buy it after seeing her on the Colbert Report. There's a few things that she didn't twig on and still looked at through a female perspective, but for the most part she got it.

11 upvotesPeteMullersKeyboard5 years ago

Of course - because then their insane self-centric world view would be challenged and exposed as horseshit. Ignorant people always hate when someone tries to actually shed some light on their beliefs.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago


LOL, they basically call her a misogynist and out the women she dated as mentally ill. Also the nice wall of text saying her experiment sucks because she went into it without a strong bias favoring feminism.

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16 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Vincent didn't just write a book based on other people's experiences, she actually put her own assumptions and beliefs to the test.

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0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Damn. This was very refreshing to watch. Thanks for sharing. I wish more women saw this.

-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I didn't know she'd actually published a book about the experiment. Title?

3 upvotesvandaalen5 years ago

It's the 3rd to 5th word in the second paragraph of the linked Wikipedia article. You are welcome.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Thank you, I saw the OP contained a YouTube link, so I missed the actual content and presumed that was what he was linking.

109 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Whoops. Looks like we forgot to give her the Patriarchy Membership Card, which unlocks all the perks of being male.

39 upvotesdvrzero5 years ago

Oh man free draft beer for life.

Oh wait, draft. Damn that's not beer is it.

-2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Wat? Draft is better than bottled.

19 upvotescpnurrenberg5 years ago

He's talking about the draft for the military.

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Oh. Straight over my head. Lol.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Did someone say Miller Draft?

8 upvotesMrOaiki5 years ago

I never got my membership :-( My female colleague accused me a couple of times for having gone to "naked men's only sauna meetings" where I had allegedly been talking business with company executives in a way that would gain me as a man. I tried to explain that I hadn't been on any "sauna meetings". Not with anyone at the company for that matter.

6 upvotessquishles5 years ago

Should've invited her to the sauna. She's clearly been working a naked sweaty powerful men sauna fantasy, and you're in it :P

3 upvotesIdle_Redditing5 years ago

TIL about naked men's only sauna meetings that give men an unfair upper hand in business.

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240 upvotesTigerBloodOfChrist5 years ago

This article (cited in the Wikipedia article) goes a little more in-depth and it's very honest and telling:


Vincent's first act as a newly minted male was to join a quintessential bastion of camaraderie -- a men's bowling team in a working-class Pennsylvania neighborhood. The only problem: She's a terrible bowler. But the men didn't boot her off the team. "It's an amazing thing, because I think that shows you the generosity that they had," she said. Her experience with these men turned some of her long-held perceptions about men being harsh and rejecting and women being warm and welcoming upside down. "I mean, it was just the most wonderful rush to get these guys' handshakes, and I felt comfortable, I mean as comfortable as I could feel, right away. They just took me in ... no questions asked," she said. The team bowled together for nine months and gradually Vincent gained entrance to their inner sanctum. She found that all the cussing and good-natured ribbing is just how men often show affection for one another.

"We don't have to do the part where you cross the room and you go up to a stranger that you've never met in the middle of a room full of people and say the first words. And those first words are so hard to say without sounding like a cheeseball or sounding like a jerk." Vincent encountered some pretty cold shoulders in her attempts at the bar, but she did manage to go on about 30 dates with women as "Ned," mostly arranging them on the Internet. Vincent said the dates were rarely fun and that the pressure of "Ned" having to prove himself was grueling. She was surprised that many women had no interest in a soft, vulnerable man. "My prejudice was that the ideal man is a woman in a man's body. And I learned, no, that's really not. There are a lot of women out there who really want a manly man, and they want his stoicism," she said.

And probably the best of all

"Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better," she said. "They need our sympathy. They need our love, and maybe they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." Ironically, Vincent said, it took experiencing life as a man for her to appreciate being a woman. "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."

257 upvotesAerobus5 years ago

"I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."

Maybe women should check their privilege.

67 upvotesPeteMullersKeyboard5 years ago

I so badly want the entire feminist movement to see this.

78 upvotesfoghorn195 years ago

As if it would make an iota of difference to their solipsism.

20 upvotesPeteMullersKeyboard5 years ago

True. They would just tune it out. They can't even here the truth, they are so convinced that they're right.

37 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

They would rationalize it away in half a heartbeat.

23 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

"With all due respect, she's an idiot." -Moderate Feminist

11 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"With all due respect" is like telling that you're going to take a dump on someone, but it's okay, because you said those magic words "With all due respect".

7 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Kinda like "no offense;" I get confused when someone says no offense and then follows with something that's actually not offensive.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"I'm not a racist, but [insert racist thing here]"

1 upvotesXzal5 years ago

You mean hamster it away. Anyway thanks OP for bringing this to light, its actually given me a good smile to see examples of women 'getting' it.

1 upvotesPeteMullersKeyboard5 years ago

"rationalize" here meaning "obscene vitriolic rant"

8 upvoteswhitey_male5 years ago

They couldn't give a fuck. They're just out for more money. Being able to divorce rape a guy, and having far easier white collar jobs that pay the same as STEM isn't enough for them.

4 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

They pretty much DID see it when the book first came out because it made quite a splash. They wrote off Vincent and exiled her from the feminist movement.

3 upvotesPeteMullersKeyboard5 years ago

That would explain why hardly anybody's ever heard of it. I should just email the head of the social studies department of the school I went to and ask why this book isn't in the curriculum but a ton of extreme-feminist left-wing insanity trash is. Bet I don't get an answer.

20 upvotesthrough_a_ways5 years ago

I think it's more of a privilege.


30 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Boooommmm baby!!! I love being a dude.. Bring on the shit!

72 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I've seen feminists comment on this book with stuff like "She's just one woman and doesn't count" or "She hung out with guys who were creeps/losers that don't represent men"


100 upvotesSenorPuff5 years ago

So she spent time with what amounts to 80%+ of all men. Creep and loser is guaranteed to mean any guy who is not found to be attractive and dares to exist in such a way that a woman notices him.

53 upvotesmrsmithwenttotown5 years ago

dares to exist in such a way that a woman notices him

wow. what a wonderful way to say it.

37 upvotesITHOUGHTYOUMENTWEAST5 years ago

Guys, get this. Crazy idea but... It's almost as if... to women, there's like... A peak for quality of men, say something like... 20%?

Like, they only ever pay attention to that part, and most other men are invisible... Let's call it something like... Hypergamy?

No no no... That would be insane!

17 upvotes4io85 years ago

Alpha goggles / Beta filter

The tendency of women to think that beta men do not exist. To be unable to perceive beta's even when they are friends with them. To only see alpha men, and hence think all men are alpha's.


"where are all the good men?"

"She hung out with guys who were creeps/losers that don't represent men"

edit: Actually that does sound better

4 upvotes87GNX5 years ago

Shouldn't this be alpha goggles?

2 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

The vast majority of all the people in the world (or nation) are LOSERS. We can't all be winners. For every winner, there are numerous also-rans who are the losers of the world. The feminists just can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to how strong their apex fallacy is.

33 upvotesscum1015 years ago

A man doing the same thing would be a great trp experiment. Just like women about men, we have a lot of assumptions on what it is like to be a woman. But actual knowledge from first hand experience would be an invaluable tool.

Imagine a woman reading that book and using what she has learned to fulfill her needs. Now imagine what you could do with that kind of information.

23 upvotesexit_sandman5 years ago

Easy, just pose online as a woman. It's retarded, it even works in an environment where your actual gender isn't clear, like an MMO.

A friend of mine played a female Elf in WoW and was dumbfunded how much more considerate strangers treated him despite him never actually saying whether he was male or female in real life. Of course one may argue that gaming nerds are the worst when it comes to showering women with attention, but don't forget guys like that also exist in real life. And now imagine how things would be if you were an actual woman.

(though I guess the constant being hit on when you know that you are weaker than 98% of all guys who approach you and could easily be forced into compliance in a lawless setting can both get on your nerves and be quite stressful at the same time)

23 upvotesAdmiralVonJackass5 years ago

I did this back in the infancy of MMOs. I got a free trial for everquest and made a female character. Back then people were naive and thought female = female. A group of regulars started hanging around me, eager to give advice. There was a gerenal atmosphere of enthusiasm.

I can see why women enjoy having orbiters, it is like being a mini celebrity.

2 upvotesMustangGuy5 years ago

A friend of mine played a female Elf in WoW and was dumbfunded how much more considerate strangers treated him despite him never actually saying whether he was male or female in real life.

This is very true. I just finished leveling a female BE Pally to 90 and the amount of times I received unsolicited "help" and was followed by other people was crazy. Before leveling the Pally I leveled a male Undead Lock to 90 and received no unwanted help.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

you know that you are weaker than 98% of all guys who approach you and could easily be forced into compliance in a lawless setting

Damn, good thing we dont know what thats like being a pretty female in America!

26 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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16 upvoteskawanami5 years ago

But no one believes they're actually women... trannies look like trannies.

15 upvotescbarrett19895 years ago

Couple friends of mine are trannies and they are easily day walkers. Like "can't tell the difference" level.

13 upvotesbig_girls_blouse5 years ago

in thailand.... Girls here are sometimes jealous of the ladyboys for being too hot.

3 upvoteskawanami5 years ago

Sure but what about when they open their mouth? Do you really think a male trannie can look, speak, act convincingly like a woman?

14 upvotes4io85 years ago

Asian ones can. I have seen plenty that are literally more attractive than most woman.

3 upvotessquishles5 years ago

They have voice training, and don't underestimate what someone can emulate when they want it enough were removing their dick sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

6 upvotesIrateMollusk5 years ago

I've met a couple who look and sound like women, one I met sounded like a chronic smoker until he wanted to sound like a woman and then he could've been a gloriously well trafficked phone sex worker, it was trippy.

2 upvotescbarrett19895 years ago

Some can and do pass 100% as a woman.

7 upvotesredpillbanana5 years ago

Check out Nong Poy: https://imgur.com/EoqdRSJ

2 upvotesscum1015 years ago

Im not talking about liking or disliking it, im talking of making an experiment of what it is like to live as the other gender. Then write a book about it.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

The problem with this is it's hard for a man to pass a woman. The best you'd get is people thinking you are a 'tranny.'

52 upvotesrazometer5 years ago

Looks like the hamster got off the wheel.

3 upvotesDeano1015 years ago

Please allow me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJp1GGTCUms

21 upvotesRougepellet5 years ago

I feel that with men, they suffer silently because they don't want to burden anyone with their own shit (at least it's this way for me). Women NEED people to lean on though, that's why they go in herds or look for a strong man who can deal with his and her shit.

16 upvotesa_tes_soulhaits5 years ago

You aren't allowed to be a burden as man.

188 upvotesDoctor_Mayhem5 years ago

Well... there you have it. The reason that females can't empathize with us is because if they spent even a small amount of time walking a mile in our shoes, they'd go insane.

In the words of one of the Manosphere's greatest commenters... lolzozlozlozlzolzozlozlzolzolzozlzlozlzlzlozlolozlozlozlozlozlzolzozlozzlzlzlozlozlozozolzlolzozlololzolzolzozlozlozlzolzozolzozlzozzzozozozlolololz

13 upvotesADrunkenmonkey5 years ago

Somewhat unrelated but what's the go with that 'greatbooks4greatmen' person. I always thought it was a troll to make it seem like users were retarded.

26 upvotesBCFtrip5 years ago

Reverse troll. "Accidentally" making good points while acting retarded

12 upvotesn4cer1265 years ago

It sure seems that way but once you get used to the guy you see that he is actually quite an insightful cat but he is an acquired taste

2 upvotes87GNX5 years ago

There exists a level of philosophy that is so deep, so core to human existence, that it can only be expressed through the vernacular of a 13-year-old girl's texts.

The feminine butthext matrix has you. LOZZLOZLOLZLOLZZLOZOZZZZ

11 upvotessir_wankalot_here5 years ago

Smart woman sucker stupid men into promoting her book

-20 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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19 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Id like to walk a mile in a 23 year old white woman's shoes. Aside from the minor discomfort, i imagine that it would be quite pleasant being the center of attention, being showered with resources and having men willing to literally die to keep me safe from harm.

Oh, did i mention not having any responsibility or accountability for my actions? I could literally steal a bicycle and people would offer to help!

Not that many men would harm me, because I'm fucking cute and they want to bang me! Life is so hard!

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6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

This wonderful, logical conclusion you've made is only half believable in a universe where you're a really hot girl, which most girls arent.

Bullshit. Even ugly girls have men who jump to their defense and want to fuck them because they're beta males and society cares about female safety.

You are seriously deluded if you believe life is like that for any woman out there.

Really? Have you stepped outside anytime in the last 100 years?

Get out of the circle jerk for a moment and go and see that life isn't like that for almost anyone, with the exception of a FEW people, who are just as privileged as any white man born into the right family.

You don't know shit. Responding to you is probably a waste of my time.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Wrong place, wrong time, friend. Edit: Nevermind we wouldn't be friends.

18 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Did she have anything to say about work? My experience is that men at work have higher expectations; it would be interested to see if she noted a change in work place treatment instead of man retreats, bowling, and the cloister.

9 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

In the book she does. She picked a male dominated field (commission based sales).

2 upvoteslucifa5 years ago

male dominated field (commission based sales)

Didn't know this was predominantly a male field. It's one area I've noticed women to be quite strong in, depends on the industry but they're good at reeling men into a sale through being personal. Even as a warehouse manager, 75% of sales pitches I get for general work equipment is from women.

2 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

You'll see women doing jobs which are wages + commission, but they're quite rare when it's 100% commission.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

And how did that go? Are my assumptions well founded?

4 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

No, but that's because it's not the type of job where you could make that type of comparison, the workplace harassment stuff that feminists usually complain about would be a non-issue because you spend very little time with coworkers, and when you do it's for a pep-talk. She just talked about her experience, and it reflected what I found doing that kind of work.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

So not really, no. It would have been interesting for her to do REAL men's work. (in the sense that no women do it) Like construction, or garbage collector, or something along those lines.

1 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

I've got a female friend who did construction work. 100% male rounded to 3 sig figs doesn't mean no women do it. She was a pro-MMA fighter previously though, so she was a significant outlier. You can't expect a woman, with a normal woman's body, to do work that requires the musculature of a man for this kind of project - it would have ended on day 1 with a workplace injury.

13 upvotesvpwnz5 years ago

Bought the book, fantastic read. I recommend it. Norah is one intelligent cookie.

27 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I think most women would find this the same.

As a female their life is ironed out, if their personality or humour isn't that great they get given a pass on it. They get cheered for even the most minor of compliments.

Men don't get these things. We are shaped in battle and forced to improve.

18 upvotesdman85 years ago

As a female their life is ironed out, if their personality or humour isn't that great they get given a pass on it.

That only really counts for attractive and average women. Uglies and fatties are basically treated like guys from what I've seen. A land whale with a shit personality is disliked by everyone. The only pass they get is the ability to get laid at 2am whenever they feel like by someone that's going to never call.

17 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

They're treated like men, and they HATE IT, so they "want to be treated like equals" aka treated like men, so they turn into feminists. Stupid fucking cunts.

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-2 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Not really. They're being fed misinformation about what they should eat to stay fit. Interesting thing is Asians in North America have much lower obesity rates - they also tend to ignore advice on eating healthy and eat what they've always eaten, despite the fact that it's supposed to be horrible.

You've got fat people who do cardio for a couple hours every day at the gym, eat lots of fruits and veggies, and have a low fat diet and get absolutely nowhere. They're putting effort in, but it's the wrong effort because they've been given the wrong information.

Europeans are much better off, the only health food that exists here is organic food. Otherwise it's the same as what you'd otherwise eat, and organic food is basically just the food that we were eating up to 60 years ago.

Fat shaming also screws them up, because the only way they get any acceptance is if they're obviously making the "right" effort, so they're afraid to switch from the diet and exercise plan that they're told will work, because if progress is remotely slow, they'll get harassed. Leave them alone and they'd have the opportunity to experiment with some less approved diets (but ones that obviously work well in other parts of the world) and actually make some progress.

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-5 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

It starts with portion control and cutting high calorie foods/drinks from their diet, it's that simple,

So incredibly wrong, just like there's a red pill to swallow when it comes to women, there's a red pill to swallow when it comes to diet - you haven't. People from countries that completely ignore this belief are very slim.

otherwise gastric bypass surgery wouldn't be so effective

It isn't, people get it and still stay fat.

The problem is being in North America and listening to the stupid advice that is given out, by people such as yourself.

Europeans simply don't have this problem. Calories aren't even a thing here - you'll meet plenty of people who don't even know what they are. We don't do portion control. We eat however much we want. There are people who have more fat than average on them, but those who are truly fat are incredibly rare, and their fatness isn't from their diet because it's exactly the same as everyone else's.

We don't have a trick, we just eat the same stuff that we've been eating for centuries. What Americans eat is so far removed from our diet it's barely recognisable. All the supposed health food that they eat is what's making them fat.

1 upvotes1independentmale5 years ago

You're ridiculous, man. If you take in less calories than you burn, you'll lose weight. It's really very simple.

There is no biological process whereby one can maintain or gain weight without taking in calories. Period.

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1 upvotestrplurker5 years ago

Actually losing weight is that simple. It's why you've never seen a starving fat person and why people lose weight when their appetite declines. It is and always will be about energy balance, at least for quantity of fat tissue. For building muscle and optimal health there is more to it, but for straight weight loss, cutting calories to 300~400 underneath your daily metabolic consumption is enough to shed pounds.

And lol at "no fat Europeans"..... like you don't even live in the same world as everyone else.

2 upvotesCaptain_Unremarkable [OP]5 years ago

Attractive woman's fb profile:

105 likes, Ommmggggg giiiiirrrllllff you're so gorgeous & I'm obsessed with you!

Attractive man's fb profile:

20 likes (at most), Douche ;)

12 upvotesuriahsw5 years ago

I read this book before. It's very fascinating and was quite insightful. It's mostly written in a storytelling tone, so it's not like a rigorous study akin to A Billion Wicked Thoughts, but it's very insightful none the less.

30 upvotesfuckingkike5 years ago

Shouldn't be that surprising since trans women outnumber trans men by around 3:1 even though there's about as many genderqueer men as genderqueer women.

36 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

What the fuck are these words?

20 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

And trans women make up the bulk of 'transphobia' victims (I put it in scare quotes because they're actually victims of misandry). Trans men rarely state that they feel unsafe, but they're always worried for their TW friends.

-11 upvotesuriahsw5 years ago

I have met a fair few transmen (men who became women) and even manly cross dressers, and you're talking out your fucking ass. These people feel just as unsafe, maybe more so, because they stick out, and many men have no problem with beating up a man.

26 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

You've got it flipped. A transman is a woman to man.

17 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Trans men are women who became men, not men who became women. You have your definitions backwards.

20 upvotesuriahsw5 years ago

LOL Shit, my bad. That's why your statement looked retarded to me. All good.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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1 upvotesuriahsw5 years ago

Haha, yeah. Kicking ass at this karma game. Now it's time for me to spend some of that karma by trolling feminists. I think that's how you're supposed to use karma.

2 upvotesTK-855 years ago

Wow, thanks for posting this. I'm pretty tempted to read Voluntary Madness just to see what parts of being a man drove her into the hospitals and why.

7 upvoteswhitey_male5 years ago

But patriarchy! All men are a part of the elite, the Illuminati, the Rothchilds, and we make $1m a second and have sex with a different 18 year old every day.

4 upvoteshe-man_rules5 years ago

Very good on her to do that. Many feminists wouldn't even consider doing this, let alone doing it for 18 months.!

3 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

Let's just go with all, since she's the only one who has done it.

1 upvotescloverhaze5 years ago

I think she used depression as an excuse to do research on mental health institutions and write another book

-9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Lol.. Just the title alone tells everyone what dudes go thru.. She gets institutionalized.. We rise above the shit.. A couple screws might be loose Lol.. But we rise!!!!... (300 scream)

33 upvotesEenjoy5 years ago

I am just glad a woman took the initiative to actually experience our perspective. Getting therapy after thr experience isnt surprising. In all fairness, we have been comditioned our whole lives for these pressures while little girls are always reassured it will just "be okay" and they are raised like little girls. They arent told to quit being a bitch. Most of them dont learn how to suck it up until much later in their life, if ever, than boys.

So again, it is not surprising to me that after zero training the pressures that men face did a number on her mental health for a bit.

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Dude fuck yeah!.. It was already expected of her to crack.. In her own negligence she stupidly decided to do this.. That's that lezbo thought "if I dress like a man and act like a man.. I am a man".. Fuck no.. Sweetheart.. Sit down.

The world was built on our own backs. That's some fuckin shit right there.

With the high suicide rates with males being known.. Before doing her project wouldn't she wonder why?

Being thrown to the wolves and made to fend for ourselves is our life. I'm proud of that

13 upvotesLineOfCoke5 years ago

That what masturbation is for. Its like the pressure release valve on to of a pressure cooker.

-9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Her institutionalization was a result of having to live a complete lie about who she was for 18 months and being cut off from the normal life she knew. It can't be taken as an example of how hard men have and how women can't hack it as men.

8 upvotesEsminia5 years ago

complete lie about who she was

How do you describe trannies ? Liars ?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Trannies are attempting to satisfy their sense of gender identity. They are attempting to be honest about who they feel they are. The author is not doing that. She has embodies an identity that is not her own and in doing so had restricted herself from satisfying her own sense of identity for 18 months.

-8 upvotesrecoveringdeleted5 years ago

Mentally unstable and ill individuals with sever identity issues

They may be liars but that label doesn't come close to encompassing the mental disease that is believing you can be another gender than what you actually are.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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0 upvotesrecoveringdeleted5 years ago

People don't like to think for themselves when they don't have to, we're conditioned to fall in with the pack. You should realize that just because you're on a "red pill" forum doesn't mean that everyone here (or even a terribly large portion of the people) actually accepts and applies the ideologies that the group presents itself as embodying.

Most people just want to belong to a group and so they will regurgitate ideas and emulate popular acts so that they appear to belong (both to themselves and to others). They never actually internalize the message or even analyze whether their own beliefs and goals line up with the group's because the ideology, the entire concept of having goals and beliefs is not what is important, the belonging is what matters.

-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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1 upvotesEsminia5 years ago

I don't know where they've been, but I don't smell them in your post. I'm not talking about the girl in OP's video, i'm talking about something else. Read before you try to trash talk

2 upvotesSolidSolution5 years ago

Why is it a complete lie? She dated women before in her normal life, then she dated women in the experiment. She was going for people she honestly desired the whole time. The only thing that had to change was her appearance. Then as she discovered, her demeanor as well. You know, the thing that every man has to change and/or maintain to attract a female. Since feminists claim that there is no biological difference between male and female brains, such changes should not be burdensome to her in the slightest. Yet this was obviously not the case.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

That should be rather obvious.

1 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

She was given a boy's name as a nickname when she was a kid because of how tomboyish she was, and that's the identity she took on.

-1 upvoteslscosta5 years ago

You are right, have an upvote. For those who read the story and didn't get that, god, learn reading. It might even have been she got depressed due to the fact she "became" a man, but it's not what the article states.

-23 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"Hate in your heart will destroy you too"- Will Smith.

23 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

You should punch yourself in the face

2 upvotesSwiss_Cheese97975 years ago

laughed out loud to this lol

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

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31 upvotesRedPillProphet5 years ago

I do agree that their lives are extremely easy in comparison but I still disagree with the above statement. This is not how humans work. Every one of us, every single one is worried about something in their life. Regardless of our circumstances.

Women have what we badly want... access to unlimited high quality sexual partners. However to them, that is now of no value. What they want is eternal love from such a high value partner and that is no easier for them to get.

1 upvotesrredfox5 years ago

This doesn't make sense at all.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

How do you know this? You have no idea what it is like to be them no more than they have any idea of what it is like to be you.

-8 upvotesEndless_Summer5 years ago

You first.

Use your words to make a point, imbecile.

-12 upvotesSmellyJelly225 years ago

I'm confused.

Is TRP supposed to be about how being a man is awesome and teaches men to embrace their masculinity or is it supposed to be a pity party where everybody whines and cries about how hard men have it?

Because if its a pity party, count me out. I love being a man and I think the only people that get screwed by being a man are idiots that don't understand the legal system and dudes that buy into feminist logic like "whoever is the biggest victim wins" and "blame your problems on society/the government/anybody but yourself."

11 upvotesexit_sandman5 years ago

Is TRP supposed to be about how being a man is awesome and teaches men to embrace their masculinity or is it supposed to be a pity party where everybody whines and cries about how hard men have it?

The book is interesting because it shows how many pieces of RP observations you'll find in there and how many RP conclusions even a lesbian feminist may draw if she's just open-minded and lucid enough to face reality.

2 upvotesCyralea5 years ago

You can't really fault men who were ignorant of the ways of reality, they may simply not have been told otherwise. Some are genuinely stupid and hold on despite being informed, but many others couldn't have known better.

Posts like this highlight the institutionalized unfairness in the system. That's not to say that we should then wallow in our misery, only that it's wise to be aware of what's out there.

Recognizing unfairness is the best way to ensure you're not screwed over by it.

0 upvotestimthetollman5 years ago

I think she got depressed from the stress of being something she's not more so than actually being a man.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

i thought i would never see this sentiment. i doubt a man disguising himself as a women would come out too whole either.

0 upvotesvvanderbilt5 years ago

She's sort of a neocon IIRC

-12 upvoteseixan5 years ago

Ouran high school host club relatedly is the best show ever. I mean the show does expire mens issues with any specific depth but if helped me as go guy to watch the show. The main character a girl who is seen as guy feels like a necessary handshake between the genders. Women are the ones who seen as cute and pretty but the main character dressed as a man is constantly looked at by other characters male and female as being cute and pretty while looking like a guy That's precious to me.

-13 upvotesdubknight5 years ago

Don't jump in the water if you can't swim.

-1 upvoteszephyrprime5 years ago

I read that book. It's too bad she just isn't very good of a writer and not very insightful either because the experiment she undertook was absolutely priceless and if only she had been a better writer it could have maybe have had a bigger impact on the literary world than it did.

-49 upvotesvzhu5 years ago

There's a search bar on the right. Use it.

48 upvotesSmokesQuantity5 years ago

I wouldn't have seen this had he not reposted. Thanks OP.

-43 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I didn't know this was about you

31 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

I read the book when it was new, saw when it was posted before, and still appreciate it being posted again. Suck a dick.

-43 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"I didn't know this was about you"

23 upvotesanonlymouse5 years ago

It's about every one of us who upvoted. You're in the minority. Get bent.

-37 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

With all the new subscribers? Maybe they should take a look around and browse previous posts, like the sidebar suggests.

Plus, i wasn't aware 231 up votes in a 70k sub was a majority. Maybe you should think before you talk chief.

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