Summary: Women wear masks and put on performances. They behave one way for a man they’re not interested in, one way for a man they want a relationship with, and another way for a man they’re meeting for casual sex. Only one of these sets of behaviors is her real self. Believe it or not, it’s the side of herself she shows to the casual sex guy. That guy will know what she’s really like and experience a level of intimacy from her that even her future husband will never touch. Racking up a casual sex history with women is how you learn what women are really like, and how women stop surprising you. If you have not had casual sex with women, you don’t know women. You don’t understand them. And no amount of reading about it will suffice. You need to get out there and be the casual sex guy to learn.
Many men end up at The Red Pill after being surprised, sometimes repeatedly, by things women say or do. What women are like. Women that they thought they knew and thought they understood ended up doing something that seemed completely unlike them. These men felt tricked, as though these women hid themselves and manipulated the men around them. But the fact that women wear masks and exercise filters, putting one face forward with one guy and a completely different face forward with another, isn’t tricky deception. It’s just how women are. If you don’t understand that and it makes you angry when it happens, then you don’t understand women.
Every guy has a story about the mousey girl from work, the cute nerdy girl in his math class, the innocent girl next door, the cool girl in his friend circle. A seemingly normal, mostly innocent girl that he’d probably have dated if she seemed interested. Like most women, she seems tamely interested in guys, but not overtly sexual. She giggles with her friends about creepy guys and about how men are only after one thing, and confides that she hopes she meets a nice guy who makes her laugh one day. Then one day, he overhears her gossiping with her best friend about the pair of guys the two of them went home with last weekend, and the way they’re talking, it’s obvious that going out and meeting guys to go home with is a fairly common occurrence for them.
She’s slutty! And he had no clue. He’s just some guy in her social circle that she’s not interested in, and in front of him, she acts like a mostly innocent girl who’s tamely interested in guys, hoping for a nice, sweet guy who makes her laugh. But behind the scenes, she’s going home with guys from bars the night she meets them and hooking up with guys from Tinder after work. She just keeps her casual sex life on the down-low, because if a random guy she’s not interested in from her social circle knew she was like that, he’d probably judge her.
Every guy has a story about the ideal girlfriend who he was sure he was going to marry, and she was sure she was going to marry him. Their relationship was perfect. They were in love. Then she gets a new job or starts a new semester at school or goes to her best friend’s birthday party or goes out one weekend with her girlfriends, and almost immediately, she’s cool, aloof, and distant, but insists that it’s nothing and that everything is fine. A week later, she ends her perfect relationship, seemingly out of the blue. Two weeks later, she’s dating some new guy from work, school, or that she met while she was with her friends. And it turns out that it’s not even that serious with the new guy. It’s a mostly sexual thing. She traded away her extremely serious relationship with a guy that yesterday, she would have told you is the perfect guy, for a casual sexual relationship with a guy she met the next day.
Every guy has a story about a girlfriend he thought was a fairly conservative, tame woman. Came from a good family, educated, decent circle of friends, doesn’t drink or use drugs, dresses well, behaves well while they’re dating. Then one night, while meeting with some of her friends from college or grad school, the girls get to talking and it turns out that she has a casual sex history a mile long. And when asked, it turns out that this wasn’t just a phase in college. She’d been a “down for anything” girl, meeting guys in bars and online right up until a month before she met her current boyfriend.
She’s slutty! And he had no clue. Because for him, she wore a mask and kept her sexual side hidden. She didn’t want him to look at her differently. To judge her. So for him, she donned a filter and acted a certain way, while for others, she was a cool, casual, forward, flirty, dirty little girl.
Every one of these guys thought that he knew the woman in question and understood her. He thought that he knew women. But he was surprised when the woman in question did what women do. Because he didn’t really know women. He just thought he did.
The guys who really know and really understand women are the ones these women are meeting casually. When a woman meets a guy for a casual hook-up, she doesn’t care if she sees him again. He’s not part of her work life or her social circle, so she doesn’t have to maintain her reputation with him. She’s not trying to impress him or get into a serious relationship with him. She’s just letting loose and having fun. So when she meets a casual sex guy, she can be fun, forward, flirty, dirty, slutty, and let her sexual side show. She can let go and be herself, without any filters or masks. She can be more true to herself, more liberated, and more genuine with a guy she’s meeting for casual sex than she will ever be with her future husband five years from now. She will do things that she would never do with a serious boyfriend, and love it. Then fiercely hide the fact that she was ever like that with any man she actually wants to impress.
When you are the guy women are meeting for casual sex, you see a side of them you’ve never seen before. Women seem completely different than they did when you were the guy at work or school that she wasn’t interested in or the guy she was dating seriously or trying to get into a relationship with. When you are the guy women are meeting for casual sex, you are seeing what they are really like. You are seeing women being their most liberated, genuine selves. There is more intimacy and more honesty in your casual hook-up than there will ever be between this woman and her future husband. You are having sex with the real her. Her husband will have sex with the mask she wears for him.
When a woman only wants you for casual sex, she doesn’t behave like a good girlfriend. She fucks around on her phone after you’re done having sex. She even messages other guys in front of you. She doesn’t get all dolled up to go out to dinner with you. She just throws on whatever and shows up for a few drinks and a quick fuck before going home to shower. Some guys get offended by this behavior, but those guys still don’t get it. This is a woman being truly genuine. This is a woman showing you her true self. She’s not trying to protect her reputation from you or trick you into a relationship. She’s just enjoying herself and using you as the conduit for doing it. This is what women are really like.
Until you have been the guy women are meeting for casual sex, you do not know women. You do not understand them. If you have only been the guy at work that women aren’t interested in, or the boyfriend women try to impress by hiding their true selves, you do not know women. Even reading stories about what women are like on the internet and raging to yourself doesn’t teach you what you need to know. If all you’ve done is read about what women are like on the internet, you do not know women. Until you have been the casual sex guy and felt, firsthand, what women are like when they let go and enjoy themselves sexually in a way they only can when they don’t care if they see you again, you do not understand women.
In summary, if you are not a casual sex guy, shut the fuck up and quit telling people what you think women are like. You have no clue what women are like. You should be here to get advice, not give it.
If you are a causal sex guy, help other guys learn the ropes and how to break into the casual sex culture. No amount of essay writing and online woman-bashing is going to teach guys what they need to know, but a few months of being the guy women fuck casually will teach them everything.
Ive had talks with casual girls about their deepest relational problems with me. They would never ever discuss this with their boyfriends (they should though). All women lie and deceit, especially the ones they love most since they cannot risk losing them. Casual guys, they can risk losing.
If it ain’t the truth. I had a relationship with a girl that I was messing around with and that open personality transitioned into the relationship because she thought I would view her the same way since I’m so “understanding” of her nature.
Burned my soul inside out and went beta for a while. Good red pill lessons taken from that experience. AWALT. My fault.
All women screen to see if you’re that guy or not. She won’t show all of what she is to a guy in a relationship with her unless he is true alpha and knows how to handle it.
But it’s no to relationships for me now. Money / Lifting / Plates is the way to go.
Stupid question. Is it bad sign that women that I have casual sex with me always seem to want to lock me down? Am I being seen as a beta? I feel like I have to trick women into thinking I want something long term when I don't.
Nah. But it does let you know what to watch out for. If a woman wants a relationship with you, then you know you're seeing exactly the sides of her she wants you to see, instead of the real her.
You know not to be surprised.
If you've been the casual sex guy for other girls an as a result, know what women are like, then when this girl who wants a relationship with you turns out to be completely different than she was pretending for you, you won't be surprised.
I'm not sure why you believe the casual sex personality is the 'real her'. That's the cynic's opinion. It's as real as her other personalities, and there are many sides to all of us. Women are complex creatures.
Sometimes they want one thing (security/cuddling), sometimes they want the other (the feeling of danger/lust/sex). Sadly for beta guys, they often want different things from different men.
Maybe so, but the casual sex guy can start off seeing the 'real' her, and if he sticks around, he can experience the other sides as well. He will get to know the woman as a full person.
The Beta providers will never know her as a complete human being, as CainPrice correctly points out.
When a woman literally doesn't care if she sees you again. She's just meeting you for fun, and there are twenty other guys like you she can meet for the same kind of fun. Then she's not trying to pretend anything. She's not trying to protect her reputation or get you to take her seriously for a relationship. She literally just lets go and has fun and doesn't care what you think.
That is the real her. That is her when she's not trying to get anything out of you and is just being her genuine self.
Her own husband will never see that side of her. Ever. She will fiercely guard it from him, because she can't bear the thought of him looking at her differently. Of him judging her. Of possibly losing him.
She will have a level of intimacy and genuineness with a casual partner that she will never share with anybody else, not even her future husband.
Just jumping in here for some dialogue and clarification of your ideas. I agree that the mask/form/persona of a girl in this context is the most uninhibited, unadulterated, and basest representation of her primal/instinctual behaviors (I think this is your point as well).
Examples of this persona in full bloom can be observed at music festivals, spring break in Tulum, or out on the prowl in a foreign ruin bar. In situations like these, there is little concern for damage to her reputation or relationship prospects, and the lush girl within comes out to play, enabling a heightened receptivity towards 'casual sex guys'. Perhaps even the range of guys she would consider for casual sex is dilated.
The gray area here, and where some readers are confused, is what happens on home turf (all of this is based on my personal experience/experiences of close friends). Back home, with their friends, at their go-to bars, in their familiar cities, girls don a more protective persona, and as a result, their receptiveness to the casual sex guy is constrained.
Perhaps this all plays to a point another user made somewhere in this thread:
Not sure that the 'masks' and 'ruled by emotions' ideas have to be mutually exclusive, but at music festivals, spring break in Tulum, or out at night in Budapest, girls experience a torrent of emotions; that, coupled with the ability to let their desires run rampant without risk of their reputation being damaged, makes for the perfect climate for their primal mask to make an appearance.
Always wondered that myself
I've wondered about this too, and from what I can tell the best strategy is to leave sooner rather than later.
There's no need to leave. Keep doing whatever the fuck you want and wait until your plate breaks or you get the "what are we" talk, and then repeat.
No this just means you have a high SMV and a high RMV. Bitches want you for casual sex and they also develop feelings for you. Happens to me all the time, I think things are casual then next thing I know some girl is crying and asking me to get serious with them. Offer less comfort and let it slip that you are a free agent and you may or may not see other girls.
I've seen this go both ways, I think. I agree with you on the high SMV thing, but I also think there is some slowly ascending growth path in a man's TRP life, wherein women see you having high SMV but also get subtle cues from your behavior that you're still not the real deal so to speak, so they are more inclined (subconsciously) to try to make you their boyfriend.
For a man, this is a strange time, because on one hand your higher SMV is working for you as expected, on the other hand some stuff gets a little harder at first.
To summarize even shorter: you still doubt yourself (or your new situation) a little, she unconsciously picks this up and also doubts you a little. Her cry for you as a boyfriend is the logical outcome of this.
Solution: like you said, "offer less comfort and let it slip that you are a free agent and might see other women".
This growth path together with your TRP-awareness is also the time where one might be extra vulnerable to female psychopaths (borderliners, narcissists, etc.). See 'Marrying Medusa: How to Survive a Female Psychopath' on Youtube, from the founder of the 21 Convention (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqoC3SKIxA).
I've seen this behavior mostly in older women. One of them actually creeped me out. I told her that I didn't have the time or finances for a long term commitment (BS).
She said she just wanted someone to stay at home, look after the kids when she's at work, keep her bed warm and stuff. She said she doesn't want any commitment or responsibility on me. Like some kind of a house slave.
Never met her again.
Wow, strange request on her part.
And you still wonder why they want to lock you up? You have to improve your game so you don't have to mislead and give false hopes. But that's just me.
No, it's a great sign. It means that not only you have a high SMV, you have a high RMV as well. True abundance. You can literally pick and choose whatever you like, if you know what your goal is.
If you want to continue having casual sex, lower your perceived RMV. I remember a story about a rich guy who had an awesome flat, and all girls he took home changed the tune from wanting to fuck to making him wait (in order to not be seen as sluts and making him her boyfriend) after seeing how cool the flat is. He solved that problem by switching the layout of his flat, so that the first room was the bedroom instead of the living room, so that they only ever got to the bed and didn't even see the whole flat.
Had this set up at an old apartment. Anecdotally, I can confirm that this setup keeps it sexual.
I reluctantly second this. Is there any TRP reading on this issue?
Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the gatekeepers of the relationship. They desire the commitment of a good man. But then it is their nature to begin the betafication of that man. Why? Dread. They dont want another woman being attracted (and taking) her man. Sadly, making their man unattractive to others makes him unattractive to themselves.
Literally had ex girlfriends admit to me that they did this when trying to get me back.
Girls with low self-esteem want to chip away at your confidence so that they're all you think you can get.
But you also gotta be careful cuz they also need that comfort. My ex fwb was kind of like this but her knowing I was seeing other women kinda fucked her head up.
Don't trick them. Honestly build a reputation as a good fuck and let girls know that you are just dtf. It's weird, but the more honest you are about your deviancy, the more likely you'll be a casual fuck guy.
It's brcause what you are reading is theory from some basement dweller
In reality women always overlap the two things, because they don't read basement theories. They go for the guys who make them feel something
If you are a sexy guy, not needy, dont give a damn about women because you've had many, maybe even have the fame of the "guy who fucks" or are famed for having a big D and being good in bed, aka you are macho alpha etc. then women will want you because you make them feel those sexual feels they miss in other average guys. Maybe they won't try to grt in an LTR with you because they cant tame you or are jealous of you having other girls etc, but of course they are still women and will still like the idea of you in an ltr with them, if you don't act like a total repulsive asshole (in that case they will still fuck you because you are sexy) so they will throw in some hints here and there (shit tests like the basement dwellers call them)
If you are a bluepilled hot guy, they will get in a relationship with you, same if you are an average guy who makes them feel special (potential cuck) etc
Only ones who dont get any actions are the true omega ugly autists
You're touching on something that not a lot of the red pill delineates. There are two strategies that both men and women have -- short and long term strategies. Basically OP is saying that if you haven't experienced a woman's short term strategy than you don't understand woman. I don't think this is necessarily true, it may just mean you don't display good gene characteristics. Women usually reserve their short term strategy for men who display good genes e.g. tall, handsome, strong, etc. Women's long term strategy is more reserved for providing characteristics, e.g. social status, money, child investment etc.
One of these strategies isn't more true than the other for women, they are just different. You may display both types of characteristics if you have casual sex and they want something long term. Or, you display long term strategy characteristics and women are using sex to get you to settle down.
Kind of a gray area in this post - but that gray area can be filled in with the sidebar. The lifecycle is "casual sex partner" > "probing about other sexual partners" > "pushing for exclusivity". This lifecycle will happen if you're doing everything right, just how it works
It depends on how they treat you when trying to lock you down. If you displayed a good mix of alpha qualities while passing comfort tests (but still keeping the dread strong!) it is no surprise she would try to initiate the acquire boyfriend phase, after all, you showed the best of both worlds (and I don’t mean paying for her things, just keeping her emotional side involved enough). If you don’t feel she truly desires you, move forward with other prospects. You might be displaying too much beta qualities also, should reflect on that
Women dont wear masks. They wear emotions (and respect). This is why men feel tricked. It is why women will do somethings with some guys and other things with other guys. Its based off the emotions/respect she gets.
So why does the casual sex guy get to see a certain behavior than what the LTR guy sees? They both play in to her experiencing different emotions. These are not masks. She is ruled by emotions. Just be the guy that excites her emotionally.
FYI: there is no such thing as positive or negative emotions when it comes to sex. It is all just emotion. And the more of it they get, the more tingles and wetness they get.
That's an interesting take on the phenominon.
A woman's hook-up "mask" may very well just be what she feels like when she's horny/attracted, while her relationship "mask" may be what she feels like when she's affectionate/insecure.
If you make a woman feel comfortable and powerful, she'll don her relationship role, and if you make her feel sexy and turned on, she'll don her slutty role. This actually makes a lot of sense. The reason women don't see all of this mask-wearing as manipulation or deception is because in her mind, there's only one her. She's just doing what she feels like in the moment. It's not different sides of her or different masks she wears. It's just how she felt right then and there.
Exactly. Women are not confusing and not difficult. They are all very easy and simple.
Boiled down RP truths:
Women are ruled by their emotions
Women are aroused by emotional excitement
Women desire men they can respect
Women hate being responsible for bad decisions
Women cannot see themselves as being bad
Other worldly truths:
Women have the bravery to recognize their emotions as part of them
Women are in-tune with their emotions, which contributes to the arousal they allow themselves to experience
Women desire men that respect them
Women hate being scapegoated for bad decisions
Women wish they didn't understand as much about male presumption as they really do
That is just sooo cute that you think that.
You’ve stumbled onto the wrong sub cuck
Oh I find you can stumble wherever you like when your reddit use doesn't hinge on your own insecurity
Of course. Nothing is sexier than a woman confident in her own femininity. You do have all the right curves right? I would hate for you to be mistaken for a beached walrus.
Mods, please point u/SeamusAwl u/TheRedPike
+1
I've been the casual sex guy the majority of my adult life and from experience everything you've said is true.
The guys who have never been the casual sex guy have only known operating in servitude of her imperative. They have only seen what it's like to serve a women when she is dictating the frame.
For the casual sex guy, he has witnessed her operating in servitude of his imperative. They have seen what it's like for a women to serve a man when he dictates the frame.
Ultimately what it comes down to, is that If you have never been the casual sex guy, you have never known how different a women behaves when she's busy serving you as opposed to you busy serving her.
How is she serving you in the casual sex scenarios he described, like texting other guys in front of you and such?
Seldom do women approach men, in fact high value women almost never do.
In most scenarios it will be the man approaching. His most ideal outcome would be to fuck her as quickly and easily as possible. This is his imperative.
She on the other hand is reactive. If he's high value she fucks him, if he's a loser she won't.
It would then be logical to state that by fucking him, she is serving his imperative, his pre determined aspirations for the interaction. He has dictated the frame(I want sex) and she has responded by giving sex.
when you get a woman to trust you, bc you've proven to be very discreet, she will tell you her true nature and may possibly show it too you.
here's my truth from my personal experiences and from watching my sisters, cousins etc deal with men: ** the majority of women (the bbws, nerds, models, etc) are HIGHLY sexual beings.
** most men do not have a clue about how much dick women actually get. if you knew the truth you'd probably laugh... then cry... then kill yourself if you learned your wife had triple digit dick encounters.
but here's the best part: ”it didn't count,” is real in the female mind. that's right, they discount REAL sexual events as though they never happened.
so when you see her with Chad or Tyrone and she tells you they are just friends and that she NEVER fucked him, in her mind, she's telling her truth. the real truth is... it didn't count bc you made her mad, or he didn't cum inside her, or it was only anal or a bj.
true female nature is wild, crazy uninhibited sex. learning to be that guy she shows that nature to is the hard part.
This is what’s so funny about all these supposed TRP guys being obsessed with finding a girl with a low n-count. It’s always higher than you think. She’s going to lie and say it’s lower than it is because society pressures her to have a low count and you motherfuckers are making it worse! If she gets the impression that you care about her number, you’re going to get the side of her who “isn’t that kind of girl,” even though she is that kind of girl for the right guy.
Not to mention girls with a genuinely low number tend to be terrible in bed unless the one or two guys they’ve been with trained them properly.
My main girlfriend’s count is probably in the triple digits. She says it isn’t, of course (“I dunno, maybe 50?”), but I also know she’s never had a dry spell longer than a couple weeks. She’s pretty sexually aggressive, so she just goes to the nearest bar, grabs the biggest military-looking dude in the bar and takes him home if she needs some dick. She’s a slut, and guess what? She’s fucking great in bed. The cute little innocent virginal princess I hooked up with a while back was gorgeous, but absolutely terrible in bed. No thanks.
Obsession with n-count is an indication that you haven’t swallowed the pill, because it means you don’t understand women.
True words.
I've never seen an "alpha", a secure and confident high n-count man who has all the sex he wants and has the good emotional state the regular sex with attractive women gives that legitimately obsesses or torments about a womans n-count. Not that they don't care but I've never seen that sort of syndrome of agony.
You said it yourself. Your main gf. You wouldn't fully commit to sth like that.
If you’re taking about monogamy, then I wouldn’t fully commit to anyone. What’s your point?
My point is that you are bragging that you are so IDGAF about your girl being a slut while this is no art because you aren't committed enough with her that you could care. She's not your girl you are fucking, she's just a girl you are fucking. As in plate or fwb or whatever you wanna call her.
Nope. She’s my primary girlfriend/LTR. We’ve been together 2 years. She’s monogamous, I’m not.
Don’t assume everyone is just like you.
lmao you just said your gf is a slut and gave us a great story behind her. And then you turn around and say shes monogamous. Yeah fucking right. It's your turn to swallow your redpill.
Sincere question: will she be a good mother for your kids?
I’m not looking for a mother for my kids right now, so that’s irrelevant. Not for 5-7 more years at least, if ever. And she doesn’t want kids anyway. But I can tell you with certainty that if she did, she would make a wonderful mother.
what does her sex drive have to do with being a good mother?
Ask all the people who had whores for mothers then get back to us.
Or ask all the men who impregnated whores then get back to us.
whores get paid to fuck.
sluts get attention for fucking.
I'm not here to judge anyone for their sexual history or choices... or to question men about where they insert their dicks.
unless you know your own mom's sexual history, I'd stop that inquiry.
In my previous comment replace whore with slut. My point remains.
this is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Because they hide how much they like dick?
they don't hide it.
if you don't see or hear it, you're doing something wrong.
what do voting rights have to do with a woman's sexual nature?
here's a clue: women have ALWAYS been highly-sexed humans. society makes them be discreet about their sexual nature. without the social stigma of being known as the town cum dumpster, women would be running around fucking like crazy.
but wait... they ARE fucking line crazy. most guys just don't know it-esp the ones who can't keep their mouths shut a/o like to brag. women are tired of having to hide their true nature and being judged for it.
so this is why you have (proud) slut walks and ”you go girl... get all the dick you can” mentalities.
i encourage women to embrace their sex drive openly. but i tell them to also realize that most guys can't handle a girl's true number so be prepared to keep up the lies.
broads don't care about their pussy or womb... they use their pussy to get the attention and validation they crave so badly. again... they don't want dick. THEY WANT ATTENTION & VALIDATION.
if they don't care about their pussy/womb, why should anyone else?
This is why you should not be allowed to vote, man child. Grow a pair.
Edit: I say this because I hear it fucking everywhere when people run out of arguments or just feel emotionally fucked by someone else: making a snide remark about 'all the others' that are not allowed to vote only signals that one is not understanding shit at all. It only shows you still see nothing. I usually let this kind of shit slip by on other forums, not worth my time. But on here, on TRP I'm more than willing to keep this kind of stupidity at bay
Sounds disgusting. Lol because every man has shared the same girl to some extent
not disgusting... it's just nature.
vaginas can handle it.
What if I were to tell you, that even the casual guy doesn’t see the real girl. She is still presenting herself to him, though more honestly.
All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players.
I suppose we can get into a deep philosophical internet discussion over whether real people actually exist or whether we're all just a collection of masks and even our realest of real selves is just another mask. Or we can have sex with women.
So what’s the point of the novel then man? Lol
OP dismissing himself in one argument by not just speaking plainly.
"If your perception of women relies on how they behave in controlled relationships and doesn't take into account casual flings, you don't get the whole picture.". Simple, clean, easy. Just doesn't sound as powerful and lacks the punch of ending with telling people to shut the fuck up.
The point is - mr.casual sex knows more about the woman than the other type of men in her life.
Technically Mr. Casual knows just their "sexual side". In the female perspective, all of their other sides are just as important, but for Redpill purposes it is important to learn to create the context(frame) for women to unleash this side without feeling judged so you can get a taste of their true sexual nature that women only give to men they deem worthy of.
If you know a woman's sexual side, then you know her other sides as well.
Sex is a game of power in which people conceal as much about themselves as possible in order to angle for a better position.
If you are fucking a girl, you have access to real information about her sexual power, and therefore you have a clearer picture of her influence in general.
I agree with you to the point that by getting to know a woman's sexual side, the predisposition to better predict how she would act under the influence of her other sides (emotions) in a more authentic manner if the situation is given, would be created.
That would be the case if you actually took the time to get to know her on a deeper level to get confirmation , but if you actually did... you would not be the casual guy.
But don't you think the other sides are less valid because it's more of a face they make up. Deep inside they want the alpha male but act like they hate the asshole chads?
If you have balls that produce a healthy amount of testosterone, of course the other sides will be less valid because, who doesn't like fucking bitches? But it is also important to understand their other sides because just as their "sexual side", they are determined by their emotions and they truly believe all the bullshit they spit under every particular emotion. That is why the blue pill is so persistent because most men take at face value what women say, and thanks to the "egalitarian" ideology being pushed down society's throat, they have every reason to do so.
After having some more casual sex, realising how easy it is to sleep with women, my eyes really opened.
EDIT: wouldn't recommend it though, it'll leave you with either a lack of respect for women, or a deep lingering depression.
I think the key is just devaluing sex in your mind for both parties. It hurts but that’s our society now. It’s the only way to stay sane.
I'm on the same boat. As much as I value the experience of casual sex for knowing what women are like, I don't actually value casual sex anymore - and think it's a detriment to society. Nevertheless the experience has been had and this is the state of our civilization at this time.
Holy fuck i thought i was the only one who felt that way, whenever i fuck a woman i dont give a shit about i feel guilt and anguish, i feel it less the more girls i fuck but still. Its probably because of my conservative uprising.
Or you are fucking for notches on your belt and not because she actually truly turned you on. No high-value man gives a fuck about another mans N count. If you can't casually fuck 7.5 or higher without guilt for fun, something is wrong. Anything below that 7.5 and you are just fucking for self-security.
Overcome your culture, don't crutch on it.
To some extent thats true, thanks mate
I used to feel this way. I think it comes from the thought that "getting a wife, settling down, and living happily ever after" is the way men are supposed to live. That frame of mind and world view is getting shattered and destroyed piece by piece. That's part of growth and taking the pill.
It led me to the realization women aren't everything. How to put myself and my goals first. Women pick up on that and end up not leaving me alone. They crave someone who isn't trying to impose their world view onto them. Using them as the catalyst for your emotional baggage, and the surrogate mother you always wanted. You become the freedom they have always craved.
I was raised to "tip the proverbial hat to mlady". Women come first in everything. As a child if I got into a fight with my younger sister "you're the older more mature one behave better". When my older sister starts a fight with me "you're the man behave yourself".
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You will get over this. Do you get depressed about the reality of physics? Do you disrespect nature because you can't walk through walls?
Quit worrying about the "rules" so much. Your life is yours to decide, the philosophy here is not absolute. You don't have to act ABC-123 to AWALT.
Good. Women in general are not worthy of respect - not by a man's definition of the word, anyways.
You cannot honour and admire a creature that has no sense of obligation or social debt.
fucking how do you become that guy??? fuck
Appearance. Clean up your diet, hit the gym 6 days a week, dress and groom well. Despite popular internet manosphere outrage, you don't have to be some kind of perfectly-sculpted Greek god named Chad. You just have to look okay.
Adulting. You need to have a reasonable job and your own residence. You can't work a job that high school students do over the summer, and you can't bring a girl home to your Mom's house. Special rules apply for college students and kids in high school, obviously.
Being interesting. You have to have more to your life than work/school, the gym, going out drinking, and sleeping. You need to be into something. Preferably a lot of somethings. And good at something. Preferably a lot of somethings. This helps you to have shit to talk about and helps you be a well-rounded human who actually knows some stuff.
Social skills. You have to be able to talk to people without sounding weird. You need to know how to talk, listen, be fun, be interesting, and socialize. You don't have to be some kind of boisterous partying loudmouth. But you do have to know how to walk up to a girl and start a conversation without being weird and awkward.
Game. Kind of a subset or an extension of social skills. You have to know how to talk to girls in a way that makes them interested in you and attracted to you (provided you look decent and have your life mostly together per #1-4). How to banter, flirt, touch, escalate, and be assertive without being creepy.
You can find a lot of posts about most of this.
The best summarization of RP action items I’ve ever read. Each comes with its own amount of work and discipline, but do them all and you’ll reach your own best potential.
Just know that your own best potential will vary compared to other men’s’ best potential. And to be angry about that fact will not help you - humans have always had a totem pole. Learn where you lie and work the cards you’ve been dealt as best you can to win the game of life.
Hey does building Gundams in your spare time count as being interesting
Nah. Keep that one to yourself. But it's good that you have a hobby.
Unless you're building a real Gundam. If you have a real, working ass-kicking explosiony anime battle robot, you can probably just tell women to suck your dick or you'll explode them. In that case, yes, tell them all about your hobby.
You can use it if you’re masculine enough in the other areas. She gets to say “OMG hes SUCH a nerd 🤓 “
Can you link some posts?
I fucked a milf in my childhood bunk-bed in my mid 20s once. Of course, I didn't still live there, I had a big boy job, and I told her to meet me at my parents house when they were out of town for some kinky role-play...
Lol what a night. I will remember it as I'm laying on my death bed 50 years from now.
Well... theres this thing called the sidebar.
hone in and master game.
read the shit you see preached here then go out and field test. you'll get there eventually
becoming a greek god can make it so u can be a beliggerant retard and be fine tho, so you dont HAVE to be one, but you should aim for it
You're post is correct and accurately explains the realities of the female mindset when it comes to sexuality - women put on different personas for husbands, boyfriends, friends, colleagues etc.
But this is only a small part of the bigger picture. The fundamental principle is that people change their behaviour according to their audience. This is not exclusive to females. This behaviour is exhibited by all humans, male or female.
Everybody portrays a certain image to people, and this image differs depending on who they are displaying it to. Men do it just as much as women.
People put on a persona to their parents. They put on a different persona to their children, spouse, doctor etc.
Most people have a set of core values that they live by, but they put on a different persona for every single person they interact with.
Different facets of the same diamond, in other words.
Different facets of the same diamond, but still totally worth pointing out.
It's easier to understand why women behave in a certain way if you are aware that all people behave this way.
Oh, I get it about people having different aspects, and you're dead on about this being part of everybody's operating system. Most people filter their behavior to match the situation. I just try to summarize a concept into a short phrase; for myself, so that it's easily remembered, and maybe for others. I think of of this material as being like sheet music, or maybe guitar tabulature. The notes are the same for everybody, but if you lined up Eddie Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton and Chuck Berry, you're going to get four different versions of the song. Which one is the best is a matter of taste.
recently hit a girl on her bfs birthday. can confirm
How do you not feel bad man
I did actually. I thought back to when my ex gf was texting her ex still around my bday (we had just got together a few weeks prior)
but i hamstered it as AWALT, nutted and dropped her off
The guy has to be an idiot to be ltring that type of chick
But didn't we all start as a beta simp once?
In that position I would have been glad to be enlightened by a bro bout these hoes
Yes and we were all idiots. Some of us woke up and learned how to avoid girls like this.
You know you are the casual sex guy when you go over to her house, fuck her, eat her food and drink, then shower and leave.
Teehee this brings back good memories. I literally used to live this way - no home, no job, no car. Just fucking, eating their food, sleeping in their beds, and getting the next bitch to pick me up.
That said, I absolutely do not recomend it.
it's casual sey. she doesn't care about you. you don't care about her. what is the problem?
we all act differently towards different people. you don't talk to your mother like you talk to your peers. that's not deceiving. that's just having different kinds of relationships with different people.
if you only use someone for sex then obviously you won't really care about them as a person. and when you have casual sex with her aren't you doing the exact same thing as her?
Scrolled down way to far for this. It's the same when you're out with your boys. You talk to your boys differently than you talk to your girls.
Why? Because I'm sure whatever girl I'm dating has no interest in nba, nfl, getting drunk in Vegas or whatever
You ever been the casual sex guy and you see her later on with a guy she is dating? You gotta feel sorry for the guy.
I think, "This girl you're worshiping who won't even suck you off has been violated by me in every conceivable way and she loved it."
Women are reflections. They will reflect and become whatever vibes you give off. A woman will be whatever you're telling her to be. Whatever you're telling her you are.
Wait, so your're telling me that i need to stop being a closet faggot and actually move out of my comfort zone? no way
/s
Ps.: i'm actually somebody who reads a lot and doesn't really move out. I just don't like human interactions tbh :(
If you know and you don’t do, then you don’t actually know.
This is a good post and quite accurate. You definitely see what women are really like when you're in that position. You see a side of them, and behavior, that most men wouldn't believe.
i thought it was established that women(or plugged in people in general) have no real agency. Masks are contextual.
Anybody know how to get a LTR to tell you the truth about her past experiences? I gotta feeling my gf has been blowing smoke up my ass
Don't worry about it. Just recognize that you're not going to marry this girl. Enjoy the sex. Enjoy her company. When it comes to an end, it comes to an end, and because you know what women are like, you won't be surprised when things happen. You can just shrug and move on to the next woman.
Whatever she did or didn't do with other guys in the past, there's no harm in enjoying the sex today. Just don't marry her.
99.99999 percent of women aren't good wife material, so worrying obsessively about this one woman not being good wife material seems pretty futile. Just enjoy the sex. Don't get married.
So what if I want to have kids?
I guess marry her. It's only money, and you'll get to see your kids every other weekend. And hey, you might be one of the lucky ones who stays married and works until the day he dies buying nice shit for a woman who doesn't fuck him just to keep her from taking his kids away and most of the money he's ever made.
So its that black and white in your eyes? Dont get married = no kids and casual sex or married = divorce and/or sexless marriage where I am just a providing for a family?
Does a two parent houselhold that is actually semi-functioning not exist in your eyes?
It's a roll of the dice.
Marriage involves you agreeing to give a woman half of your assets plus a recurring support payment in the event that you get divorced. In exchange for your promise to give this to your wife you get....
Nothing. You get the legal status of having a wife.
She -may- choose to have sex with you, but she's not required. She -may- choose to treat you well and with respect, but that's not required. She -may- choose to have a job and make money, but she doesn't have to. She -may- choose to cook, clean, do housework, raise children, but none of that is required.
You are promising to share everything you own for as long as she's married to you, and to give her half of everything you own if she decides to divorce you, which she can do at any time for any reason or no reason at all.
All in exchange for the chance that she -may-, out of the goodness of her heart even though there is no reason for her to do so, decide to be a good wife to you. And even if she's a good wife today, at first, right now, tomorrow she might be less of a good wife. There are no requirements in place for her.
That's very well put and extremely chilling... I guess I'll really hold out on marriage or if I do find the statistical outlier even then I'll slam down a hefty prenup
Yes and I will ride her up the ass behind your back any chance I get, and she will love it.
Lets say I agree with you and I refuse to get married. How long can a monogamous relationship last before it stagnates?
Not in Europe. Here you don't have to marry no woman for children.
You don't, at least don't ask. That would seem very insecure and she'd lie anyway. Maybe ask her friends that you get along well with. Don't let her know it though. Trust your gut.
My ex right there... she even made me wait 3 months before we had sex. I was the type she considered for dating. And wow did she fool me!
Turns out she had a fetlife account and fucked different men of all ages and sizes since she was 17 and even had a STD scare (Which I didn't find out through her). Got a check the next day, came out clear, I asked her to get one too, she came out clear. Still it fucked with my head for a while... meh dodged a bullet, glad the relationship ended.
I don't have a problem with women having a fetlife account, or fucking around, in fact I think they're my type these days... but at the time her image was so pristine and innocent, and I felt like I'd been sold a new car when it actually had 400,000 KM's on the clock.
Now that I understand how she was, and how women are... I'm much more understanding... I've definitely become the casual sex guy to the point that I need to cut down on it these days... I was a little bitch back then when I actually felt duped... alpha males knew who she really was with a glance... after 2 years of lifting and solid protein based salads I've become that alpha male that just 'gets it'.
Sometimes I wish I could go back to having the ignorance... but then why would you want to live a lie...
it was YOU that gave her that pristine & innocent image (in your head).
never forget... women are humans with the same goals you have = pass on their genes.
they just go about it a totally different way.
Mmm..... so when she held out for 3 months... I should have known it was an act? I don’t get your point
the point... she is human.
she is not pristine and innocent... that's you putting her on a pedestal = bad move!
when she held out, it was manipulation a/o she was letting the pussy rest to feel tight(er) to you.
if she wants to fuck you, she will find a way. attraction is not a choice and desire can't be negotiated.
Holy cow didn't read the novel but the headline probably says everything you need to know.
I'll go a step further,
You don't reaaaally know shit until you've been the "other man" a few times. Watch these women who love their men so much sneak around to you. Then you'll get it.
I don't really recommend it. And it solidified my alcoholism to see that stuff BUT, don't believe AWALT? can't swallow the pill? Be the other man, watch how the male and female brain is just wired 100% different and how the seemingly most well put together women can rationalize anything and make it your fault, based on their feelings.
The casual sex culture is foolish. It will destroy our entire civilization.
But you know, use the blood sweat and tears of generations of people as your conduit for having fun.
Well, at least now I understand the root of the problem.
I was just like you, once upon a time. I thought I had found the One. The problem was, being subservient and patient and understanding and emotionally available and all the other bullshit spewed out by the likes of Alan Alda, Phil Donahue and Dr. Phil gets you nowhere. Does that make me cynical? Sure it does. The truest description of a cynic is something I heard from George Carlin: A cyncic is an idealist who has been disappointed one too many times.
You kind of went off the deep end here.
It isn't that casual sex isn't fun. It's that in the long term it will kill us all. I'm not talking about the one person doing it... I am specifically referring to the idea that this is a way of life for EVERYONE... which is basically the defacto standard right now (i think we can at least both agree on that).
I'm sure shooting up heroin is an incredible feeling, but the long term consequences aren't worth it (least of all because now you know what it feels like and will always miss it).
I recognize that a life without heroin isn't as good as being ON HEROIN. I'm simply saying that one of these paths has a future for humanity and the other doesn't.
You are 100% focused on yourself. Within the context of your one life here. I get it. It's just that I do not think the individual has value. They live a short time, they die, nothing they do will last.
But as a civilization... we can accomplish anything. We can live practically forever... and the things we do can cast long and lasting shadows into the distant future. Very significant to all life that lives under that great shadow.
Look if you want to just burn out in a short period of time and imagine there is no purpose to your existence beyond a good fuck then you are obviously capable of doing that. Doing this isn't going to make the world a better place for your future or anyone else's future. And I get it... your perspective is "fuck them, got mine".
And that works for a time because you come from a ton of privilege.
But that is quickly being worn out. And when it's gone... you'll be having casual sex like they do in a third world country.
Some interesting thoughts, especially the heroin analogy. Love can be the most damaging drug of all, though.
I do have some thoughts percolating, but I have to start my day in about 6 hours. I'll respond more in depth after I finish out my morning routine.
To be continued . . .
I think doing what you are doing is right and good and everything about it is fine -- unless the ship that you are on is heading towards an iceberg. Then absolutely nothing of what you are doing matters.
That's sort of the way I see things right now.
Time to continue from earlier.
I am 100% focused on myself, true enough. I spent most of my life up until age 30 or so being a "good boy" and trying oh so hard to check all the right boxes. I was, in some regards, probably the bluest blue-pilled beta someone could be. Neglecting your own needs and dreams and ambitions makes you miserable. In the Elon Musk thread a couple weeks back, I mentioned how everybody has a blind spot, with an example of someone speaking too freely about a great idea, and then seeing it commercially exploited by someone else.This is one from from my own experience. Associative logic is a concept in psychology, where an idea, a concept or a scientific principle can be applied outside its original context in a new way. I had an idea for making our amplifier capable of transmitting in a much shorter time frame. Background: we were in a class at work, where the company would try to develop the work force by broadening their skill set. The instructor was one of those types who would illustrate the point by providing real world examples. So, after a brief bit about how an instant on television set works, I mentioned that the same concept could be applied to the tubes in our amplifiers. The Production Manager, the Production Engineer, and someone from the Electrical Engineering department were sitting 3 tables away. All three of them snapped up at the same time, so I knew the idea had merit. I talked to the owner of the company the next day about the idea - and the Production Manager had a shit-fit. Long story short, after a couple years of R&D with Thomson Electronics, the idea was implemented. My take away was zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. No raise, no promotion, no bonus . . . not even so much as an "attaboy." Since then, I rarely speak up about any of my potentially profitable ideas at the workplace; I experiment on my own dime and my own time, and I'm putting the finishing touches on something that could be a real game-changer in terms of life safety / fire safety in areas of public assembly. This would be something that would indeed cast a long shadow into the future, but I can't go into much detail on an open forum.
The "ton" of privilege would probably weigh out to less than a USBC sanctioned bowling ball. I was the shy, quiet kid who didn't date at all in school. No Homecoming, no prom, no Sadie Hawkins dances. I didn't lose my V-card until a few weeks before my 21st birthday, and I had only one girlfriend before that.
Up above, you made the observation about steering the ship away from the iceberg. I contend that we've already hit the iceberg as a society, and the current cluster-fuck that we're seeing is the scramble to get to the lifeboats.
Casual sex in a third world country is romanticizing the West too much. The ruling elites are doing their damnedest to turn every place into a third world country, and so far, they seem to have the momentum on their side. You made the observation about the collective mindset of society is basically "fuck you, I've got mine," but you also stated that an individual is nothing, capable of having no influence on the course of events. Which is it? I'm not mocking your idealism; I really want to know how a "meaningless" individual could hope to turn the tide.
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This is the constant cycle that civilizations have gone through.
They rise on the imperatives of men and achieve prosperity. That prosperity gives rise to laziness and indulgence of women's imperatives. Then the collapse begins.
Then, when the collapse comes, men pick up their shovels and guns and begin rebuilding anew.
There's nothing you can do about this except square your own self away, so that you can weather whatever crisis befalls your own region of the society in which you live. Have a clearer picture of how this will happen at least gives you an edge over those who are ignorant.
Very well said friend. It makes me feel a little bit better when I find someone who shares the same perspective as I about what's going on these days. Turning the ship around, if it's at all possible, will be the mother of all uphill battles.
Society is going to do what society is going to do. You, me, a few dozen people who read The Red Pill subreddit - we're not going to fix society by shunning sluts.
You can either get on board and have some sex, or you can die a lonely virgin complaining on the internet about how everybody but you sucks.
Yeah that's my point. You can't just 'get on board and have some sex'. You are going to have a shit life. We are all going to have a shit life. Why? Because you and everybody else think that "You, me, a few dozen people who read The Red Pill subreddit - we're not going to fix society by shunning sluts."
The problem is we are arguing from different perspectives. You are arguing from the 'got mine' perspective. I'm arguing from a 'big picture' perspective.
People always complain that they didn't know they didn't know. Well, here I am telling you. It's not that people didn't know... it's that people were selfish and didn't care.
And how you make your bed is the way you are going to sleep.
What does that mean? How is it measured? What are the citerion?
I don't think you fully understand how suicidal open confrontation against the feminine imperative would be at this point. Our power is a pimple on their ass.
Then don't fight them in the open. Fight smart.
I have the opposite problem. I haven’t been in a relationship for years, the closest thing that resembled one I had recently the girl went to jail after punching me. The only time I get laid is casual sex, not even an fwb an agreed upon one night stand. It’s terrible and I don’t know how to fix it, it’s all I can get. It’s never anyone good either. Not even that often either, maybe once every 2-3 months.
Sucks, bro. Makin me feel better about being the dude who his catch feelings for.
Sounds like you're collecting garbage, though. Might want to evaluate why you attract this.
How do u turn into the casual Sex guy? I read the sidebar but still no clue.
Appearance. Clean up your diet, hit the gym 6 days a week, dress and groom well. Despite popular internet manosphere outrage, you don't have to be some kind of perfectly-sculpted Greek god named Chad. You just have to look okay.
Adulting. You need to have a reasonable job and your own residence. You can't work a job that high school students do over the summer, and you can't bring a girl home to your Mom's house. Special rules apply for college students and kids in high school, obviously.
Being interesting. You have to have more to your life than work/school, the gym, going out drinking, and sleeping. You need to be into something. Preferably a lot of somethings. And good at something. Preferably a lot of somethings. This helps you to have shit to talk about and helps you be a well-rounded human who actually knows some stuff.
Social skills. You have to be able to talk to people without sounding weird. You need to know how to talk, listen, be fun, be interesting, and socialize. You don't have to be some kind of boisterous partying loudmouth. But you do have to know how to walk up to a girl and start a conversation without being weird and awkward.
Game. Kind of a subset or an extension of social skills. You have to know how to talk to girls in a way that makes them interested in you and attracted to you (provided you look decent and have your life mostly together per the above). How to banter, flirt, touch, escalate, and be assertive without being creepy.
You can find a lot of posts about most of this.
Thank. I have the books no more nice guy and sex God method. But I still don't get how to approach or entertain a women. I met a girl I now for some years. We met for 5 days and the tried to shit test me. She asked/said that is it normal in your country that men dont clean and cook. She was sometimes mad and then she apologized for it. I didn't know how to turn her on. She was also on her period and we fucked on the last day after I said idc. I mean wtf. Can u recommend some books about gaming and sociality because I can talk a lot only if I am in a good mood.
But do women don't push for LTRs and commitment? Why would they have a lot of casual sex if their end goal would be something different.
Women push for relationships from some guys. Other guys they just want casual sex. They behave completely differently depending on which type of guy they're meeting. The guy they want a relationship from will never, ever know what they're really like or what they've done with the casual guy and others like him.
I believe the comment that you are replying to is referring to the alpha fucks/beta bucks phenomena, where a woman will be highly opportunistic in regards to what she wants and needs in the current moment.
In your experience what's the difference between the guy they sleep with and want a realtionship from, and a guy they sleep with and just want casual sex from?
Whether he's nice to her, respects her, and treats her like a human being.
A guy who's sexually attractive (good enough for casual sex) that's also nice to women and connects with them as humans (normally unwanted creepy beta behavior unless it comes from someone attractive) tends to make women catch feels.
So how does work if you start off just casual, and then transition into a romantic realtionship? What happens if the first few times you have sex, you're just the "sex guy", and then you become the "realtionship guy" because you start realize you might actually want to connect to her? Will she put on the "mask" and stop fucking you and being honest with you the same way she was a month ago when things were just causal?
Yep. She'll even change her story. That time after sex when she was laying on your chest babbling about all the guys she hooked up with in grad school will suddenly become not as many guys as you thought she was talking about. Suddenly, instead of checking her cell phone and running out the door after sex, she'll start cuddling more and try to insist on sleeping over. Suddenly, instead of being a cool, casual girl, she'll try to spin it as though she's always been a relationship girl but just found the wrong kind of guys. And so on.
This is how it goes. Chameleons abound.
Interesting, I don't think I've ever been with a girl, for casual sex or otherwise, who quite as aloof as you're presenting. They certainly become more honest post-sex, but even the sluttiest one that had no chance of seeing me again liked to cuddle a little post sex.
You are both right. I've had girls do both - act one way when we start fucking and once they see that I'm awesome in all ways, the guy that picked them up at the mall with all the right lines (pickup artist) they told me about after I fucked her in the ass while she had a boyfriend quickly became "i dont remember that at all". Another girl, from whom i am getting the king treatment, as referenced above, started off as a one night stand after a dance and we fucked in her car. A week later I was in town with a hotel room for business and we fucked again. She is a self admitted slut and i can attest. Once she saw who I am, what I'm about, how I handle my life, she has been hooked. Shes never met a guy like me before. I have taken a lot of her "life virginities" outside the bedroom and inside - shooting guns, riding a motorcycle, swimming in mountain waterfalls at 3am after rolling on ecstacy at a club together, and also peeing on her, taking her anal virginity, role-play, kinky shit that you guys would call me a fag for (and yet she keeps coming back. That's frame). She has bought us concert tickets, pays for everything when were together. We've had a threesome with another plate of mine - went AMAZING. She eats my ass on command. She buys me drugs, makes me weed edibles, and literally calls me king and God.
Here's the kicker. Shes sweet and submissive to me. We live quite far apart so sometimes its 2 months between visits. We don't say I love you. She fucks other guys and I fuck other girls. Her roommate is the provider/maintenance dick. He doesn't get anal or king treatment. He makes her spotify playlists about liking her.
But both inside and outside the bedroom we VIBE. So literally no matter what we do, either having sex, dancing, riding the metro, going to a zoo, or simply sitting at a coffee shop at midnight, we are fucking each other on another level that other people can literally feel if we are in the same room. The looks we get walking down the street are PALPABLE. The sexual tension between us is constant and electric and FUN. If I found that with a girl in my town I wouldn't put in effort to go see this chick sometimes, but damn I haven't found it elsewhere.
And if she ghosted me tomorrow, I'd be fine.
Get on this level
I don’t think this is 100% true. In the UK and probably a lot of Europe, most relationships seem to start as casual sex. I’ve never had girls hide that side of them (except on first meeting, and they are often never open about exact numbers). Like a lot of RP “truth” (owing to the fact that most people on this sub are American), this might just be an American problem.
I don't know what goes on in Europe. Your girls are weird. They'll fuck anybody who asks but only give blowjobs to serious boyfriends. Over here, blowjobs are like kissing that just happens to be 15 minutes long on your dick, but you have to walk the walk and dance the dance to actually fuck.
I haven’t experienced this personally but I’ve only ever pulled in England and once in Greece (although I’ve fucked girls from a few other countries). The Greek girl ran the full gamut right away though.
From my expirience,anyone outside of my close friends circle is a potential fuck. You dont need to be charming but dont be to passive and dont try to be too mysterios to the point of just shutting your mouth and hoping they'll somehow approach you. You need to play little dirty especially when alcohol kicks in,which is for me when hook ups happen most of the time.
This is all true because most of my life ive been that guy,except on my early teenage days but thats long gone. I've heard everything abotu their boyfriends (never hooked up with married i belive) and that tbh scared the shit out of me and thats the main reason why i will never be in a relatioship or marriage. I may be cool for a while but eventually they will get bored of me so i give them only what what they are after and im fine with that. No more no less.
Talking about true and false selves is blue pill idealizing of human nature. A person has no true self. You are what you do. Your "deeper" more animalistic desires don't particularly define you. If I renounced my civilized, cultural, rational filters I would eat junk food and jerk offf to porn all day and beat the shit out of people who annoy me. That doesn't mean that's who I really am.
I've had casual sex with a chick that is 20 years younger than me for the last 10 years. She is cool with this and does not try to lock me down - she is very different with me...I dont need to buy her gifts, drinks, dinners - just the "D". She is very different in the presence of other dudes - so this thread is true - She does not like beta dudes.
I like this line of thinking but I am in a bit of a conundrum. (I know I'll inevitably get down voted but meh) Is casual sex the only way to truly know women? Unfortunately casual sex is against my moral principles and I have no interest in one-off flings with random women. To each his own but I dont think the absolutist stance OP has posted is necessarily correct. Your thoughts?
Yup. Until you have truly experienced a woman who only wants you for fun and doesn't care if she ever sees you again, you have never seen a woman's true self. You will never truly know or understand women. You will read about it and think you know. You will think you see shades of it sometimes in women you meet and interact with. But you will never actually understand.
You certainly get knowledge on how some girls that do casual sex are when they do casual sex but that's about it.
I say some because you can't hope to seduce everybody and that by definition you'll never see how girls not interrested in you behave.
And actually I'am saying the same as yourself. You have no idea who really are other people. They only show you 1 side of themselve and that's it. So the guy has no idea how the girl next door that isn"t interrested behave in reality. True. But same to you, you only get to check girls that are interrested in you.
If you insist on one night stand then you'll never meet and see how it is to go for LTR and the reverse is also true.
I think TRP is pretty accurate but at time it does feel like like some people lecture the newcomers and put as absolute thing that are kind valid certainly for a type of women, quite like for a majority of them but likely not for all of them.
Not saying you could hope to even find the others, I think people on TRP has no chance to ever find them, even if say they are as high as 10% of women. Because by defintion such people would never mix. And I agree they are not common.
So TRP teaching are quite useful but maybe a bit too much absolute from time to time.
If you assume this one girl you're staring at right now is special and isn't like that, you'll be disappointed. Maybe even hurt.
But hey, if you assume the worst about this one girl you're staring at and she turns out to be the 1 in a million woman that proves you wrong, you'll be pleasantly surprised. Hell, I'll buy you a drink if you find her.
I'll pay for the whole fucking wedding if someone can show me a unicorn.
You would not recognize one if you were in from of her so there no much risk for you ;) That the problem there no way to see it for sure so you would say she isn't, some bluepill will say she surely is and change his behvior in a way she doesn't want to stay with him anyway.
I am not that interrested, and I think TRP is practical.
But also do see quite a few women that only had (officially) 2-3 men and were settled before being 25 years old. Now 10, 15, 20 years later they are still with the same guy and seem quite happy about it. Interrestingly in those cases, the guy also tend to be a true alpha: knowledgeable, do sports, make significant money, interresting and with frame.
I don't say they can't fail later on, and surely some will. I don't say they girl perfect neither, they are not. But overall they seems to have working relation from the outside.
The hypothesis some have there it because it didn't work for some or for them that it is impossible. I agree that's to a point, but impossible is pushing things too far.
I do think that the best women actually find a great man relatively fast and by definition they tend to stay together and be lost for everybody else.
No woman like that would ever be with a much older man, for a one night stand, accept to be a plate or any shit like that. And no woman like that would be ever available for anybody, even the perfect man once she is settled.
So yep there kind of the idea that the older the available woman, the less likely it is to happen, but also that the better the woman, the less likely she would be interrested in any man that has many of the strategies put in this forum too. It is self fullfilling.
Who are TRP people ? Beta that failed, that the unicorn would never be interrested in or would rightly dump. Or people that want plate and don't care of LTR. But if you notice there still a few TRP in LTR and that manage it. So it even work for them.
Maybe it isn't impossible, but just really hard.
I been single for about 3 years (now 25) and in that time probably have had casual sex with at least 100 or so women, both from tinder and going out. The best part is when they show me the amount of dms and messages they get from guys, a lot of it cringe worthy. I always go through them with her and we both laugh
Why do they need to brag, show off and make sure you know how popular they are in social media to all the betas. Low self esteem?
Could you someway be the guy she tries it all with? Be a complete alpha male fuckboy but be it only for her. Wouldn't that be a woman's dream? Alpha male that treats her like shit but is still a good father and is loyal?
Can confirm!!! ive had once a circle of 3 female friends who would i go out with them every weekend , i would be the cool guy with the car who would take them out to parties and shit like that (you might think it was beta shit but it was not) i would let them know about my moves with other women and ask them for “advice” on girls and shit like it i would also act with a IDGAF behavior and was non judgmental (VERY IMPORTANT) i was seen as their leader!! (Always keept frame and never judge their actions) one night we are having drinks and smoking weed so we got in the topic of guys and shit and all them told me the guys they found sexually attractive and guys they wanted to have a relationship with !!! They all agree they would fuck muscular black/latino guys over 6 ft with tattos on the first day if they were smooth and not acted retarded but said guys under 6 ft with good jobs and good “stability” fall into relationship material and had to invest and wait to get their “goodies” which my reaction was a playful one “im so lucky none of yah want me” and one of them said i think you are both cute and hot so i dont know where to put you and giggles !!!that same night that girl was deep throwing my cock!!
Lessons learned
1- do not judge women (accept their nature and play around with it to your advantage)
2- keep your frame strong and have a IDGAF attitude all times (dont bend)
3- know what games are being played(women will try to deceive you is up to you to fall for their tricks)
4- Awalt
5- alpha fucks AND!!!! beta bucks
u/CainPrice I recommend this article by female psychotherapist Esther Perel: Women express what they sexually desire through affairs, not relationships.
She argues that women's true self and true preferences are ONLY revealed during hook-ups and infidelities, in other words, the men that they only see for sex and nothing else.
The idea is that the rest of the time women put up a mask and pretend to be someone else to get society's approval.
She also wrote this article: The traits that make a man a good short-term fling and a good long-term partner are incompatible. She argues than no man can be "the fucker" and "the lover" at the same time. You are either Beta Bucks or Alpha Fucks, and she says it's impossible to combine both.
You should post that first one.
Real women are scary. Like honestly I'm kinda scared of em.
Disagree. I think a lot of this takes a far too cynical position on female emotions. If you're the casual sex guy, she is just using you for sexual gratification, sees you as not worthy of loving, and you're just the maintenance guy.
I'd argue that you see a girl's true nature by having a woman, who clearly loves you, and is emotionally hooked into you, who is trying her hardest to sex you into a relationship. Because then you see the girl bring out all the big guns, she'll give sex whenever you want it, cooperate with things, and not be difficult. If you have a woman's emotions running her actions, you can really see how she operates at full emotional throttle.
If you're just the guy that fucks her you're not seeing her emotions at full kick. You're just the flavor of the week. The guy she's just trying to beta bux to her husband for money is not seeing any of her real self either. The truth is in the middle. Her trying to turn her alpha fux into a boyfriend. Then you'll see it. Because that means she's emotionally attached, AND wants your dick. I think you're leaving many readers confused.
A girl can absolutely fall in love with her alpha fux, and she'll give everything and kitchen sink to try to make this guy her boyfriend. If she fucks you, but doesn't love you, doesn't want you as a boyfriend, you're living a sad life; she's just using your penis because she doesn't have someone who she's fallen head over heels for. If you've never had a girl throwing you sex, buying you gifts, eating your ass, her driving to see you on ALL her spare time, and giving you basically everything that she can because she wants you to be hers, then I'd argue you don't know women. If you've never been that guy then you're missing out, because it makes you feel like a king.
You're confusing a girl who's working hard to win you over with a girl's true self.
A girl who's pulling out the big guns to try to get you into a relationship isn't showing you who she really is. She is -hiding- who she really is. While she'll give you as much sex as you can stand, she'll also hide her slutty casual side from you to avoid creating the appearance that she's a causal girl. And instead of doing what she really wants after fucking, which is play with her cell phone, she cooks you dinner.
When she wants a relationship out of you, that's when the mask goes on and the filters come out and you stop seeing the real her, the slutty, uncaring, selfish her, and start seeing the side of her that she wants you to see, the allegedly relationship-worthy version of herself.
Don't confuse a woman's good behavior with what she's really like. Good behavior is her mask to get you into a relationship, while she hides everything she doesn't want you to see.
I guess I should say there is a difference between
While I agree with you about that I do think there's a difference between the two, although they both would be called a boyfriend. Another way to put it: I argue that most women fucking Chads, usually do want Chad to be their boyfriend, they just don't get him as a boyfriend 9 times out of 10. That's what I am saying. They want him as a boyfriend, but in a different way than when they just chase some beta loser for a boyfriend. After a while, they will fight and scream at Chad for not committing because that's what they really want and they eventually leave and settle for a beta. I guess I could dub it alpha boyfriend and beta boyfriend. They do want Chad as a boyfriend but they don't see him as just a provider. Not every boyfriend is a beta provider. Chad might be a girl's boyfriend but that doesn't mean he's lost his marbles and is providing.
It's not an absolute that a girl wanting a boyfriend is looking for a beta provider. She respects Chad but still wants him for herself. She wants an alpha to belong to her and not 10 chicks. Has nothing to do with beta providing, as she doesn't see Chad as a provider, she just wants to possess what she sees has a top grade male. Totally different than her chasing some plumber who she pity sexes once a year.
Casual really only applies to girls in the 18-25 range.
After that it's pay to play/here comes the wall/I have standards you must meet now.
You'd be surprised. There are a lot of late 20s and early 30s women, especially busy professionals, who are all about finding a good booty call guy. Sure, if they have a great guy who wants to be their boyfriend, they'll take it, and they're always looking, but if they're on a good date and things aren't gong in that direction and are going in the casual direction instead, they're good with that, too.
When a girl grew up having casual sex, that's just what dating is to her. A single adult with an active dating life has sex if the date goes well. She's not going to fold her arms and declare that she only has sex with boyfriends if she's horny and the guy is hot unless she really likes him. If she's on a date and the guy turns out to be not a good relationship prospect, but he's still cute and fun, it's on.
I agree, and that's something you have to see for yourself if you want to understand what gender dynamics really are like
In what type of society would women be free to show their real true selves to their husbands, LTR's? How would it be different than what we've got now?
Playing the hypothetical what-if game is silly. Society is going to do what society is going to do. It's not something we're out to fix. Just understand and work within.
As I say .. cute ? innocent ?Does she not get wet ?
Every guy has a story about the ideal girlfriend who he was sure he was going to marry, and she was sure she was going to marry him. Their relationship was perfect. They were in love. Then she gets a new job or starts a new semester at school or goes to her best friend’s birthday party or goes out one weekend with her girlfriends, and almost immediately, she’s cool, aloof, and distant, but insists that it’s nothing and that everything is fine. A week later, she ends her perfect relationship, seemingly out of the blue. Two weeks later, she’s dating some new guy from work, school, or that she met while she was with her friends. And it turns out that it’s not even that serious with the new guy. It’s a mostly sexual thing. She traded away her extremely serious relationship with a guy that yesterday, she would have told you is the perfect guy, for a casual sexual relationship with a guy she met the next day.
Aw fuck I can't believe it. You nailed what happened with my ex, more or less. Perfect relationship, had me re-thinking a lot of things, getting set to settle down.
The fuck was I even thinking?
I disagree with the OP nowdays girls who are slutty don´t try to hide it , it is just that the exposed merchandise is for premium users A.K.A the Chad TM.
This is the one frustrating aspect of being the casual sex guy, because that HB6-7 you fucked without her makeup would be an 8 if she put in more effort.
A question. What if her the facade is exactly how you describe but she did not had any sex? Lets say man confirm this from a few sources.
You are spot on with your premise
This should be on the sidebar, it will be much helpful for incels
Corollary to this: when a woman legitimately sees you as an alpha male. Once you experience this, you will never waste time on women who do not treat you with that level of respect/admiration.
You'll learn very quickly the potential a woman has reserved for the appropriate Man, often hidden deep in the abyss of her lizard brain shielded by social conditioning/BP/feminist ideologies.
This right here really hits home man. As a man that has had countless casual sexual encounters you get to see women for what they truly are. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
there is no "real her", she's an empty vessel. That chaste chick who has a legit bodycount ot 2 , both long term boyfriends , will be a whore for the right guy who can summon it. Doesn't really mean that's who she "really is" , she just happened to fall into the frame of whomever the dominant male is in her life. Women are all about acceptance, she want's to please master. If master expects her to be demure...she will play the part. In fact I'd argue that if ultimate submission is what you define as who women "really are" then I'd agree. The personality wrought is dictated by the males expectations, there is no "real her".
That may be the case, actually.
Women generally aren't active. They're reactive. Responsive. Left to their own devices, a woman's hobbies involve going out to eat and drink (often where she can meet guys), watching Netflix or consuming other types of media, and sometimes reading. Women, on their own, are a lot less prone to developing hobbies or interests. They tend to react to life rather than chase it down.
Men, on the other hand, are weirdly active. A man is practically autistic for certain things. Most guys have particular topics or hobbies or what have you that just seem to pull him in. Men gravitate toward hobbies and topics of interest like moths to a flame and will often tune out the rest of the world while tending to the things that interest them.
In a sex/relationship sense, women sit there. They put on a dress, high heels, and go somewhere public where they wait for guys to walk up to them and audition for a hookup. They either accept or reject each proposal. They are reactive. If they really like a guy, they drop hints about relationships hardly ever ask directly. They try to get him to act so that they can react.
Along those same lines, a woman's hobbies are often things she got into due to previous boyfriends. She was with a guy, and she tried to be what she thought would please him, so she got into his hobbies. If she likes you and you want a good girl, she'll pretend to be good. If you're into...I dunno, hockey or something...she'll fake an interest in your hobbies. Six years from now when she can rattle off a hockey fact to her current boyfriend at the time, he'll think she has a hobby, but it's really just something she picked up because of you.
If you think about it, there's a convincing argument that women are just a product of their environment. The end product of every guy they've dated up to this point.
Casual sex is fun but I'm not wasting my time chasing a hole to do it. Better things to do with my time.
Women are emotional AND sexual, hence, both sides are part of the real her.
Seems like american women have no morals or values anymore according to your text. What you're speaking about is women into casual dating ready to open their legs for fun. Despite women nature, humans are not animals, they should have bounderies and values and not give in to every tentation. If young american girls are into fun sex and unworthy of any kind of trust so there is a fucking big hole in american culture to deal with. And surely men have a big part of responsability by praising this kind of behavior, setting the ground for it and looking to fuck as many girls as they could. And in the end, the whole society and families pays the price...
Yeah.
Animals fuck to reproduce infrequently.
Humans fuck for pleasure frequently.
GTFO
Hahaha. Seems like you sank into the hole i spoke about. Get your self TFO of there. 😆