Preface
For years, since sexual maturity, I thought I would never be good enough to fuck a 9. I would hear the hot girls talk about the douchebags that they were fucking and how ‘attractive, confident, talented’ those guys were. But when it came to me it was “aww, EnthuMotivInspir, he’s ADORABLE!”
I’m no schmuck, I know she might as well be saying “aww, EnthuMotivInspir might as well not even have a penis!” and from high school on through my 20s, I began to resent hot girls because of the condescending way they treated me. I learned to settle for 5s and 6s, because they are who I ever thought I would be good enough for. If I came across a 6, I would LTR her, and then I would get feelings of regret, knowing that deep down I wanted more.
I discovered TRP after my last breakup in my late 20s. I rejected the concept at first but slowly things started to make sense. The first thing I did was learn to lift – CONSISTENTLY. Then I started dating 5s and 6s and learned to not LTR the first girl to show interest in me, graduating to the occasional 7.
Through these experiences I learned how to interact with women. I learned to ask questions about her and respond with legitimate interest about the topic she chose, because that’s what she wants to talk about. I learned to notice IOI’s and to make a move as soon as you notice the IOI. Most of all I learned to just fucking go for that first kiss because you have nothing to fucking lose.
Aside from building up my experience, I’ve been building my body and I look good now. The 6s and 7s I lay have to catch their breath when I take my shirt off. I feel good about myself and my confidence is up, but I still have a mental block that I only deserve 6s and 7s.
The HB9
So this girl, HB9, is at a bar that me and my friends frequent. She walks by us and all my friend can muster is “whoa…” She’s the kind of girl that that gets served first and doesn’t pay for a drink the entire night. “I already don’t like her. Bitch.” That hot girl disdain started boiling in my body again (fuck that girl, she has the whole world served on a fucking platter, didn’t pay for a drink the entire night, and served first no matter what).
Whatever. She’s a bitch. I’m having a good time with a good group of friends. Good mix of guys and girls, and all of us are attractive (I’ve been lifting for 2 years at this point and I look good).
I notice she looks back and does a double take. On me! Whoa, an IOI from a 9, who would have thought? I know that I look good, and I was advertising my good looks on this particular night but despite this, I still think I don’t deserve anybody higher than a 7. My friends and I have a good night and leave. I’m left with this unsettled feeling that I should have at least made a move. Oh well…
The Approach
A couple weeks go by and I’m at the same bar with the same group of friends and lo and behold, there she is. World still served to her, drinks still bought for her, still surrounded by a harem of thirsty ass orbiters.
This girl is a total smoke show, and now I know what I need to do. I am a man who makes moves, and who will take on tasks, no matter how much they intimidate me. I go up to the bar to order my next drink and stand next to her as she’s waiting for her next drink, so I strike up conversation:
Me: “Hey, I’ve seen you here before, you come here often?” (tell me it sounds stupid or cliché, I strike conversation based on my observations of the current situation, this is what I had to work with, and I wasn’t going to delay any longer just to find that perfect conversation started)
Her: “Hi, yeah I come here sometimes, I’ve never seen you before, are you new in town?” (Of course, she doesn’t remember me, despite the IOI a couple weeks earlier)
Me: “heh, no, I’ve been coming here much longer than you I’m sure of it”
We have a very short and lighthearted conversation. I can tell she’s extremely well versed at responding to men approaching her, but I’m nonchalant about this. I have zero investment in this girl, and I couldn’t care less about which way the interaction goes. We talk about the bar and how we like it, and how they do drink specials for heroes (Medical, teachers, police, military, etc.) on Thursday nights, and how we were both “Heroes” because of our professions. She says that its cool that we are both “Heroes”
Her: “stop by tomorrow night and I’ll buy your first drink on Hero night!”
And off she goes…
I have zero intentions of showing up to a bar, by myself, for a girl that I have innate disdain for, that I didn’t even get her number.
As I tell this story to my friend, he says he wants to see this happen. He’s down to go to the bar with me, just to see if this girl would even show up. He brings up the old IOI she gave me, and that she seemed interested, so I am convinced.
To my great surprise, she’s actually there, surrounded by yet another group of thirsty orbiters. She sees me and jumps up and says “whoa, you actually showed up!” gives me a hug and buys my first beer.
Wow. I did not see that coming. She was nice to me and bought ME a beer. Maybe I jumped the gun a little on assuming she’s just an entitled bitch.
We have good conversation and get sufficiently buzzed, continue hanging out for a while and I get her number. We make plans to meet up that weekend.
F-Close
That weekend, we hang out, get lunch, and I invite her over to my place to watch a movie. At this point I still don’t know my worth and am psyching myself out. But while we’re watching the movie, I notice her body language next to me on the couch. It’s pretty angled towards me. I take this as a good sign and do some kind of touch to escalate. I don’t remember what I did exactly, I tickled her ear or kneecap or something. She tries to tickle me back, so I grab her arms, lock eyes, and go for the kiss.
Hot damn. Just like that I’m making out with the hottest girl I’ve ever interacted with.
Despite my lack of internal self-worth, I am very confident in my social interactions. I was faking a lot of that confidence around her, but I was emulating my real self, how I act when I am around 5s and 6s. Sounds weird to say, but gaining an abundance through lower tier women gave me insight on how I should act as a man ALL the time, regardless of who I’m with, even an HB9.
I take her shirt off, then mine, and she checks my body out. I know that I look good. I really do. I’ve worked my ass off for the last 2+ years to achieve these results. And I do it for me, because it makes me feel good. But nothing, absolutely nothing validates all your hard work more than a total smoke show hot bod looking you up and down.
I take her upstairs to my bed and we are nearly naked and then it hits. That last minute resistance. “we shouldn’t do this…”
I casually brush it off “we’re not doing anything” I back off a little and continue to make out, reassessing a little bit later but she’s still not feeling it. I back off completely. I stop touching her and start playing on my phone. Bored.
Don’t you hate/love it when the shit you read on here is right?
She rolls over on top of me and starts making out with me and is much more sexually aggressive now. We get back to hot and heavy, about to put my dick in annnnnd LMR. Again.
Fine. I roll back over and play on my phone again.
3rd times the charm and we fuck. And it was everything I ever hoped and dreamed it would be.
Lessons Learned
We can get these mental blocks due to years of conditioning and lack of attention from the opposite sex. I was raised to think that women would approach me if they were attracted to me, and when they didn’t, I thought it was my own fault and that I didn’t deserve women because they did not ‘choose’ me.
I was raised to respect the shit out of women. I respected them so much that I never assumed attraction. I respected them so much that if they didn’t overtly ask for more than a hug, I would never give it to them.
So many years of my young adult life was wasted on inaction. So many girls that I can now recall that showed so many signs of interest, but due to my ‘respect’ for them I passed all of them up unless they legit said “kiss me” or “Let’s have sex”
I now know that I am the one that does the choosing. I am the one who escalates physically. That entire interaction was up to me, and it was left to be my decision on whether or not we kissed.
It is said in every single thread, but I can’t emphasize it enough. Lift weights. I was skinny in high school and lacked any sort of confidence. In my 20s I at least learned how to interact with some people, but I was overweight. Finally, in the late years of my 20s I learned how to be confident with everybody, but I could not achieve this without a fit body. People treat you differently when you are muscular. They see you as a strong foundation, someone with convictions and motivation.
This is a great field report. Thank you for sharing.
+1 and stickied.
Fuck yeah! So glad you grew so much, this post is quite inspiring
Thank you so much. It's extremely eye opening, and I'm upset that it took me until 30 to realize my potential, but better late than never. Hopefully I can help people in their early 20s to realize theirs.
I'm 23, just got out a 3 year LTR with a 6-7, I'm skinny fat but hitting the gym and eating properly for the first time.
This shit is inspiring me, I'm glad I have time
Stay consistent. It will pay off
Next step is to get her in rotation for repeat lays as a plate bro. Are you planning on spinning her? If you do I bet she has hot friends who you can smash too on the low. Birds of a feather flock together
This happened a couple months ago and yes she was put into rotation. I'm really surprised at how cool she actually is and how wrong I was to just assume she was an entitled bitch.
I think she probably still is an entitled bitch, but only to people who worship the ground she farts on. Since I don't worship her like this, she says that she feels tingles for me in a way that she hasn't felt in a long time.
Like, nobody has given her shit in years. She said the last guy she dated lasted a month because he couldn't go 20 minutes without texting her, whereas she says she's always interested in me, wants to talk to me, and I'm simply busy.
Yup. As it turns out, super hot girls are just people. And a lot of them are sweet, nice, fun, smart people. They just have to have their defenses up constantly because they’re a target for everyone, but they’ll take the defenses down for the right guy.
And hot girls eat that shit up. I called one a pain in the ass and she was “shocked” because nobody else would dare. She loved it. It ended up becoming my pet name for her.
I've found the ultrahottest women to be the most receptive to asshole game. They also treat alphas very well compared to most everyone else in their life.
And....They go berserk when nexted. Like lawyer up and prepare for onslaught of hamster lies
Indeed, you have to bring 9s down a peg eventually as time goes. They have unearned power and that makes for a brat most of the time.
Seems in regard to value assessment. Women are valued by beauty, men are valued by resources. Sometimes I think TRP is teaching tactics but not strategy. As a man there must be one end, cash. How come there are not many posts on here about Finance?
Finance should be on the same level as being fit. IMO of course. Many times I found myself resisting advances from women BECAUSE I felt financially insecure.
As long as you don't end up marrying them and being a retard, losing half your shit eventually (or going full beta bux, either way).
You can use those resources and value to get laid, absolutely. You should.
I think the most important thing you articulated in your FR is how guys who went through TRP and improved their value still hang on to the "well she's hot so she's probably a stuck up bitch" judgmentalism. It's similar to how guys see a natural or stud and they think it's an asshole spoiled Chad and they already hate him.
Try to use this experience to cut that aspect of your personality out.
We all know the SAME girl has two different personalities. Just like you do when you're talking to a telemarketer or desperate salesmen, versus someone who wants to give you money or pussy or something. Complete split personality, night and day. The hotter the girl, the more split her personalities are -- the hottest girls I've fucked are generally the nicest to the dude's fucking them, and the more blatantly able to ignore and act like other guys are subhumans. Girls towards a 7 tend to be more homogenized.
The hotter the girl, the more pleasant she is when you own her. Ugliness and low value is what breeds a lot of unattractive, unfeminine traits into women.
Remember it's just your turn.
Are you running social circle game on her?
That sentence confuses me a little bit. Not sure how I would run social game on her after she's already in rotation? If you mean her friends, then I have met them before, but they seem to respect the boundaries that I'm already fucking their friend.
Almost all my game is social circle. I hang out with big groups of people with similar interests to me (lifting, yoga, beer, rock climbing, etc) and they're a fairly attractive group of people with a good mix of guys and girls. I don't game the girls in my group, but I do their friends.
Since my group is fairly attractive and is always having fun, it seems to also attract other peoples attention from the outside, so it's easier to run game on them as well. Preselection.
Can you elaborate a bit on these social groups? I do yoga, lifting, bjj and am thinking about getting into rock climbing, but I realized these are all kinda solitary actvities. How to get a group going around them?
I did start a kinda "fight club" with BJJ with some guys but it turned out one of them was a pro-isis radical and so I had to shut it down lol.
Hahaha "pro-Isis radical". Lmao dude thanks for making me genuinely laugh bro
Haha I may try to start the fight club up again, only this time I’m gonna try to recruit the sexy twins that go to the gym.
> I realized these are all kinda solitary actvities
Rock climbing is very far from a solitary activity. Just hit a climbing gym up and you will see how the community is awesome. People like to help each other and soon you will be going on trips with your new friends to climb real rock.
Does playing with your phone really beat LMR that easily?
I think it was particular to this situation. I could tell she wanted the attention from me. I think she was testing how far I would go to worship her body. I was not going to worship her body, so any kind of reduction in attention would have worked. In this situation it was my phone.
Edit: Added clarification and a comma
Way to not overly project the success from that interaction. You clearly know why the phone worked and why in another situation it may not. OP clearly has his shit together. Some people think that there are templates you can apply to every interaction, but by knowing the themes and tendencies of girls, you can navigate any situation because they are all somewhat different.
Yep, when you start picturing the girls as the way you should, things come naturally to you. Memorizing templates or comebacks are utterly useless.
Women tend to pay attention to mens behaviour more than the context of what they're saying.
He could’ve been checking the guide on the TV. Anything plausible Should work.
ETA: any plausible distraction that does not offend her should work. Phone. Guide. Magazine. Whatever. OP knows.
That’s perfect. She’s used to guys begging her for sex. Your IDGAF attitude worked as advertised. Good post bro.
This (spectacularly ignore her and don't acknowledge you've been rejected) is a gold nugget of TRP advice. It has worked for me every-fucking-single time. She says no or somehow ignores your advances, you just act cool and start doing something else - like sleeping. All of a sudden she's on top of you again.
Many people think this move's somehow unethical and represents the dark arts school of seduction. But I don't think it's that complicated – you are not pressuring her into sex or anything. In fact it's quite the opposite. She wants it just as much as you do, it's just that she thinks she needs to play her "I'm not a slut" role before committing.
I was told to “slow down” a few weeks ago - and I promptly fell asleep. It worked out in the morning though.
I’ve done similar withdrawal of attention and gotten past LMR countless times. But I am kind of clumsy at it. S, I really want to hear how to do it smoothly. This is what I do - I just roll over to the other side of the bed. Pickup phone or switch on TV but I keep talking to the girl like. She asks - what happened and I say, oh nothing, I wanna show you this my favorite place in Paris and I’m looking for picture. So then she goes - you angry with me? I say - no no. I’m no longer in the mood. Many times they initiate sex and it happens.
But when I see other people’s field reports - I never read this kind of verbal interaction (girl asking are you angry with me?). So you guys are doing it way more smoothly. I’m giving off butt-hurt expression in my face or something. I don’t know what.
What is LMR? I don't frequent this forum enough to know the acronyms but i'm guessing it was push pull in which she pushed the brakes and you let the car stop for a while, instead of begging or getting frustrated at the car slowing down. (car = passion)
Last Minute Resistance, check the sidebar.
I don't personally use it, unless you can do it really well it reeks of fake (and maybe OP did it very well). Sure it will work sometimes. But even dropping a huge fart would work sometimes. It's still much better than, say, getting angry or not escalating at all. But you can probably do better.
How do you generally overcome LMR, then?
Usually, escalate and if she's not ready yet then go back to talking and then escalate again until I feel she's ready for the final push. Checking the phone or pretending she's not there is a huge state shift and is at high risk of getting you into a combative mindset of "who's less interested in the other", and once you get into that race, everyone loses.
Well said. It can be nothing, or a state / value shift.
If the phone has been checked every 5min during the evening he can check phone for LMR.
“Escalate and talk” could be the sub Reddit’s motto.
He is saying she’s a 9.
8.56, to 10, get naked with her you will pretend not to care That the tits are glorious. Yes you will have to IGNORE her perfect naked body because no one else will.
My way of overcoming LMR is to LMR first before she gets a chance to. I try to back off around 10 seconds into a kiss. Then when the date is winding down, I try again. This flips the need dynamic around in my experience.
Nice bro. Had a similar situation to this about a month ago. After this you will notice an increase in the hotness of girls you get. This is happening to me. The key is to not get your ego attached to these outcomes. Stay detached and never identify too much with the new attention. Keep improving, don't stop doing what you are doing and don't slack off. Stay the course. Remember they come and they go, sometimes as quickly as they come.
This is stuff I remind myself of daily.
Good read man, goodjob on The 9 lay. I have The exact same mental block when it comes to extremely hot woman. Yet i feel ashamed of it also. Glad you did it
Very inspiring. I never fucked a 9 and I know exactly about the hate you are talking about.
I’ve absorbed almost everything there is in TRP but it takes balls and practise to come up with the confidence to approach girls.
Your line regarding “I’ve been conditioned to respect girls”, hit me like a bullet. The notion, I’ll only kiss if she kisses me, has been hardwired into my brain. This whole post makes me realise that I need to muster the will to go beyond what I see.
This might be a weird as question but When you go in for the kiss, or any move whatsoever, do you not end up thinking about the implications? What if I’m called a weirdo? A person who idk doesn’t respect (there it is again) them?
One thing I learned is that girls will kiss you back even if they're not sure they like you. The first kiss used to be a really big deal to me, but I learned that it's all part of the interview process of the first date for them. In fact, my last girlfriend (in my beta days) thought I didn't like her because I DIDN'T kiss her on our first date. She only realized that I did when I asked for a 2nd date, and then she said "are you gonna kiss me or what?"
It doesn't always work out. A few weeks ago I was on a date with a girl I met at a bar, and she was really conservative from the midwest. The date went well, but could tell she was definitely NOT going to come home with me. So at the end of the date I go to kiss her goodbye and she turns her head away and says "No! This is our first date and we are in public!" and my response was "lol, really?"
The difference is, I don't care if she thinks I'm a weirdo or not anymore. All that matters is now I think SHE'S the weirdo because I know that I'm the man. That confidence went far because IF the interaction was weird, it wasn't because of me, it was because of her.
We did go on a second date, and I took her to a more secluded area and we did kiss.
Guys interested in this topic will find the below useful:
Uncle Vasya’s Guide On Dating Models
-You Landed a 10. How to keep her in line.
I read this post like 3 times after I put this girl in rotation. Your writings have helped me immensely. Thank you for everything.
Is an orgasm with a 9 better than with a 7?
It's quicker that's for sure
It depends, obviously.
For me, it is more about self-esteem. Banging hit girls keeps your confidence levels up.
It is a good boost, but you shouldn't be dependent on hot girls validation as a confidence boost. I recommend you work a bit on your frame as it seems like you may be leaning towards a purple pill mentality.
all pussy is the same. What differs is the body which surrounds it. Some women have perfect dimensions, some not so much. But in the end, we all cum and experience this cosmic sadness
someone's getting deep tonight...
Truth. I've fucked tall blondes and short brunettes, fat chicks, skinny chicks, once the dick is in, it's all about the motion. The pussy... felt the same going in and cumming out.
For every 10 there's a guy tired of fucking her. Sex is nice but MSM overrated it.
The difference in sex for me is in the pussy. There are pussies that simply just "fit" around my dick and I can feel every stroke very intensely. The looks level doesn't seem to matter in that regard.
Yes. And by orders of magnitude you can't comprehend until you do it.
Bullshit, after the excitement you realize that a 9’s pussy is not magical either.
That's the thing that makes me skeptical about this post. Maybe it was just an offhand remark saying fucking a 9 was all he hoped it would be, but my experience with that sort of situation, the fantasy is always better than the reality, and afterwards you're left kinda feeling like "....so that's what the big fuss was about? meh."
But maybe this chick rocked his world, idk.
It's not just the pussy. It's not just her looks.
It's the conquest.
Some guys hunt trophy animals. Some men buy giant houses or Ferraris. Some men start giant corporations and name buildings after themselves. Some men just want to fuck the trophy woman.
The way he wrote this, it was his first trophy lay. Similar to a hunter's first "10 point buck."
Ain't nothing wrong with that. Not to put the pussy on a pedestal, but if 9's and 10's weren't valuable, there wouldn't be a man constantly approaching them. We'd all fuck nothing but 9's and 10's if it was easy.
Sounds like a guy who's speaking academically as opposed to experientially. Then again, I dunno, I've never banged below a 7.
HumbleBrag
if you haven't fucked below a 7 then you don't know the difference between fucking hotties and fatties you dummy
6 can be a fatty? I thought a fatty is automatically sub4. But then again by defenition average american woman is fat so ur right
Exactly. My. Point. God you are one dense bafoon.
cognitive cycles
Haha, this guys never fucked outside his anime club for real 😂
" I now know that I am the one that does the choosing. I am the one who escalates physically. That entire interaction was up to me, and it was left to be my decision on whether or not we kissed. "
This reminds me of something I read by Roosh recently. Men reject women just as much, if not more, than women reject men. It's just that we reject women in our mind, so women are blissfully unaware how much they are being rejected.
The hot chick isn't necessarily so much harder to catch, often people can't try while keeping alpha behavior or they don't try at all. Many hot chicks actually complain they don't get approached that much.
I think approach confidence is also only slightly correlated with appearance anyway, it's more of a personality trait than anything, which means the guys she's looking at and wanting to approach her aren't necessarily more likely to approach than the average guys that she'd laugh at for approaching.
Girls are not attracted to chads. They are attracted to masculinity, to confidence grown from competence. It is Game, not War.
I've started to notice that laying 9's is just easier as you get older. Not that you shouldn't always be improving, but keep your head up if you're young and grinding and seemingly getting nowhere. My 30's has been MUCH better than my 20's, even though I'm still just grinding like I always was.
This is inspiring. Mid 20s male here, learning as much as I can and improving year after year, but still have a long way to go. Many of my peers are nearing their 30s, settling down, having kids, and the fun seems to end for them. I don’t want that. I want to be the best man I can ever be. I would hate to hear that life ends in your 30s, there’s so much in the world to conquer. Thank you for giving me inspiration.
The flip side is the older I get the more I understand how shallow and ultimately meaningless chasing after brainless 9's is. Part of the reason laying 9's is easier is because I simply care less about laying them, because once you understand them they become very boring.
Makes sense. It’s something I want to achieve for once, since growing up, like OP, I had low confidence and had mostly been with 6s (and even lower...dark times, BP/low self esteem). But I can see how absolutely obsessing over the chase is not worth it.
My whole perspective has changed as of late, so take it with a grain of salt because I don't even know if I would be considered "red pilled" these days. The way I see it, any girl lower than an 8 (by your own estimation, obviously) is just not worth anything other than a casual friend. And this is for several reasons:
This is a fair point but something you have to grow towards. For me and for alot of guys trp, it's just like Rollo described. Before you can start a healty LTR you need to go through this phase to achieve a sense of abundance. If you have not experienced this, you get needy and beta as they call it here which ultimately turns her off.
Same here. Interestingly, my chances with 9's in their twenties have improved dramatically compared to when I was in my twenties myself.
So contrary to the popular belief I'm more successful now when I'm significantly older than them than when we were the same age.
Of course it has nothing to do with age – I now understand the female psychology a bit better, dress better, act more confident, etc.
I’m gonna use that phone tactic on my next lmr muhahahahaha
I’m gonna use that phone tactic on my next lmr muhahahahaha
Not to split hairs, but the "phone tactic" may or may not work, even with the same girl at a later time. The phone was just the "stage prop" for the action. The action on OP's part was the withdrawal of his attention - that is what got him across the finish line - the phone was just a natural choice in this scenario. He could have gone to check the dryer or emptied the dishwasher and gotten the same result. Her LMR produced a withdrawal of OP's attention, instead of the begging and pleading she has gotten used to. He displayed higher value and outcome independence for the win.
I'm 36 and have smashed exclusively 7s or better my entire life. Amost 20 years now.
FRs like this are still goddam awesome to read and take me back to the very fucking second in time I decided never to settle. Nice work OP, love it.
Post some body pics. I'd like to see how good should someone look for a HB9 to check them out.
Sorry, I won't post pics because of the stigma of this sub and doxing.
My stats are 5'11" (but I tell people I'm 6'), 169, 13-14% BF.
I don't think I'm THAT good looking. I have a weak jawline and I can't grow facial hair, and acne scars from puberty. I don't have a six pack, but at least have an outline in the abs area.
I do have big arms with good definition and I wear tight shirts or cut off sleeves often. I think these are often what girls are checking out.
Shit dude, similar stats to mine, I expected a bit bigger or lower BF% the way this girl was all over you. Never bedded a 9 before, but I guess that's subjective since everybody said my last LTR was a 9. She was hot but maybe an 8 tops. Congrats on the lay my guy.
Honestly I'm surprised at the kind of attention I get from girls. Maybe it's the aura of confidence that follows, or maybe it's just that easy to stand out from the 80% of lower tier men.
I know that 9s are very subjective. This girl is definitely my 9, might be your 8, but she's my 9. This is why I didn't describe her features, but rather how the people around her acted (had orbiters and women didn't like her)
I need to move in usa, i heard the competition is low
The idiots who think that only physically perfect men deserve 9s and 10s are the ones who are downvoting this.
Don't delete this comment because it's further proof that imperfections don't disqualify men in the eyes of even the hottest women. Self confidence and game are all anyone needs. Of course good musculature doesn't hurt either.
For those who don't lift, those are very average stats that you can get with a beginner program. Looks are not the only thing.
I agree that they are very average stats. What my conclusion has come to though, is that those 'average' stats are very well into the top 20% of men. That the average man is actually overweight with bad posture and a neckbeard, or is skinny fat and still wears t-shirts from high school.
I mean to say that it is a lot easier than people think to achieve what they want.
Don’t know why you got downvoted. Not the original poster but thanks fir the description. I am not ripped but very muscular and out line of abs. Woman love it
So there is hope for mf like me
There are these few posts that really smell like reality, they resonate with my life experience. Yours is one of those, my bullshit sense is not tingling because it reads like a real story. Good effort man, congratulations on your success!
Thank you so much, it's been an eye opening journey for sure!
This is what a good FR looks like.
Congrats on realizing your potential.
Reminds me of being 19 and pulling this hottie at the uni bar just a day or two after seeing her in her leopard skin two piece in the complex pool and thinking “I wonder what a guy would have to do to get in her pants?”
As it turned out- not very much!
I should’ve learned my lesson then, but instead I let 5 years of poor self-image cock block me time and time again. But eventually I learned. You quickly realise that no matter how different they might be (cocky, loud, quiet, submissive, bitchy) girls all pretty much turn into the same person behind closed doors. They all want to be lead, they all want to be told what to do and fucked into submission.
Doesn’t matter what she looks like or how she acts, they’re all essentially the same car, just in different condition with different paint-work and modifications. Instead of being awestruck and wondering “How do I drive THAT?” you’re better off just learning to become a better race driver and then the rest takes care of itself...
I'm curious to ask: you talk a lot about "looking good" connected to you lifting. Do you really think the two are so heavily interlinked?
Working out does make you more sexually attractive but I feel like its more about the confidence that you get.
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well. In my opinion, I'm just not convinced that the long long hours in the gym are an EFFECTIVE investment of time (notice I'm not saying "wasted", of course it's not wasted)
Yeah it's definitely very connected to my confidence levels. I don't even think I'm THAT fit (I'm like 13-14% BF so I don't have visible abs). What really helped my confidence - and changed my mental block, is when I would take my shirt off for those 5s and 6s and they would have to catch their breath.
I could visibly see them getting stirred in the loins. I would be treated like a piece of meat by these girls and their friends, touching my arms, or patting my ass (think hostile work environment for hot women), but I loved the attention. I still love the attention, and it really really made me overcome my self image issues, realizing that yes, I am enough.
You have to look good to get your foot in the door with these girls. Obviously that's all wasted if you don't have the confidence to approach. Luckily lifting helps with both of those things. Working out makes you look better, inherently making you more confident, but it also boosts you testosterone levels by a lot, which makes you more likely to take risks or be assertive. It makes an unbelievable difference when you really commit to it, and after that it becomes a super rewarding hobby too.
It is an effective investment. And you should be going to the gym and lifting for only 45 mins to an hour ideally.
Take two guys with the exact same level of game. One that has a good muscle base with an 8 pack, and another that is skinnyfat. Guarantee the better looking guy beats out the skinnyfat guy for a girl 99 times out of 100.
You don't need to lift 7 days a week if you don't want to get big. Just lift enough to get a decent muscle base and then be low bf%.
I get your point that it's not a huge investment, but I don't agree with the argument. If you get two guys who are exactly the same, the guy with 10% more IQ beats the other one 99 out of 100. Anything above "all else being equal" makes the difference.
I'm not bashing the gym, just not sure it presents the biggest ROI, especially if someone is working a lot in other areas of his life
Ok but why not be the guy with the 10% more IQ and the 8 pack. It's definitely do-able and marking out 4 hours a week for working out is hardly any time at all.
when in doubt: take both :D. I like that :)
God bless you young man
Newbies should pay special attention to the way he handled LMR and:
"Most of all I learned to just fucking go for that first kiss because you have nothing to fucking lose."
YES
Girl, HB9, whatever... but as mods sticked your post NOW I'M JEALOUS. So much win! Congrats & godspeed.
Keep going. You should work on your body language as well as work out. I did that and you get tons of signals back to back. It's all about how you carry yourself. If you walk confidently with your head up with purpose. I don't work out but I should. I'm losing weight and trying to get back down to 155. Only 7 to go. I like being a normal weight but not skinny fat. I had 10s turn their heads at me and hold eye contact. It's all about walking with purpose. Style helps to.
Also a lesson in how important the momentum is. You did a lot of things "wrong" (hesitating at first, a lousy opener, etc.), yet because you kept confidently going everything ended nicely.
Especially the opener part is an important lesson - it's nearly always better to improvize something right away instead of waiting to find the perfect line.
A thing to remember for myself, too, there. Everything doesn't have to be perfect.
try to up your asshole game, on my way to banging HB8.5 just coz apparently im an incredible son of a bitch
keep it up, brother
Now once you’ve fucked a few 9’s, you’ll come to realize all pussy is essentially the same, and the pedestal is removed forever. Then you’ll restart the Red Pill lifecycle: back to phase 1, Depression. Congrats on your accomplishment! But be sure to not attribute too much “meaning” to it, because in the future that will be shattered, and your search for meaning begins over again. You will learn that meaning comes from the Self. And once you settle your Soul in that way, fucking 9’s becomes a form of recreation, like going to a concert or a sports game. Something for fun, for fun’s sake. Godspeed.
I always thought that by fucking or dating an HB9 id be happy. I soon realized that my happiness comes from good grades and being ripped af. I thank everyone in this forum for opening my eyes into this world.
Looks theory striked again
Fuck men. Beautifully written FR.
Fucking self doubts are killing me. Working out for a year and half but still feel idk, I know eventually I'll get there.
Great post, one thing struck a chord with me.
In the instance of escalating, and moving in to seal the deal, at the last minute - LMR strikes.
This has happened to me some times before, and I am yet to find a tried and tested way to remedy last minute regret. Once she is "not feeling it" it's a difficult task to recapture her sexual attention without coming across as forceful.
Displaying boredom and disinterest by going on your phone seems like a good tactic.
I'd be interested to hear others techniques & methods to combat LMR.
I also think it's very contingent on the situation and the girl. This particular girl was definitely interested but I think she was testing to see how far I would go to beg for the sex.
Another girl I had naked in my bed would not budge and did not want to have sex on the 2nd date. Maybe another method could have worked, but in my analysis of the situation I didn't see a way. I waited until the 3rd date, at which point she was okay with sex.
Just curious, what kind of body do you have that she loved?
Also, what kind of training are you doing at the gym? Are you following a program? And diet?
I started off with Stronglifts 5x5 for the first 9 months, then switched to the reddit fitness PPL (so far my favorite program), I'm now doing nSuns.
I'm 5'11", 169lbs, and 13-14% BF.
I have decently big arms with definition and a nice muscular butt (squats ftw) and those seem to be the 2 features that women check out the most. Also I wear slim fit clothes to accentuate these.
What are your lifting numbers? I’m 5’8 175lbs 18-19% bf squat 290, bench 180 deadlift 340 press 140 and barbell row 220
I kinda want to see where I’d be after 2+ years strength wise because our programs choices seem similar.
Hmm. Interesting. My stats are similar to yours, minus the BF. I'm 5'10.5", 77kgs (170lbs). Around 18% BF.
I've started Stronglifts 5x5 too. Just been 3 months...but i can already see results. In addition, I run long distance and practice Ashtanga Yoga. Any link for Reditt Fitness PPL?
My diet sucks tho. Although I don't eat American packaged junk, I eat a lot of carbs, fried stuff.
I don't wear tight fitted clothes, neither do I wear any synthetic clothing, I only wear natural fibres: cotton, linen, bamboo. Tight fitted clothes is just not my thing, so I guess no accentuating for me, unlike you.
Still, good going man!
Great report!
Perfectly played.
What if one has the confidence without lifting? Is this like unimaginable in this sub
You'll still get shitty women. Looks matter bro.
I believe that confidence is most of it. I don't know about this sub, but yes, it was unimaginable for me before lifting. I had a pretty serious mental block about my self worth and the positive reactions I got after losing fat and gaining muscle changed my thought process.
Hi just a quick question. Did your social circle increase as well? I know making long lasting friends is something a lot if dudes struggle with here , myself included.
I got really lucky in that I became good friends with my neighbor (I did have to go outside of my shell to befriend him, but once I did we became good friends). He was extremely outgoing but we got along well, and I was able to build my network that way. From there the social circle got bigger and bigger, since we were the group that seemed to have the most fun, or when people started inviting their own friends.
Classic case of living for that pussy and putting pussy on a pedestal. Fucking a 9 shouldn’t be the crowning achievement of your life. She should be just another pussy your dick has been in and it’s definitely not worthy of a long ass post because a 9 finally validated your looks.
Ahhh... A dissenting statement. Interesting. What I got from OP is that he upgraded from a lower standard. It's like beating the game on medium and then hard. No? It's a damn FR.
I'm asking this in every post here that attributes succes with women to lifting. What is your height and weight. ( This because I have a theory that although, yes, everyone should lift. That the real magic comes when you've also got good genes)
Nice! Are you still sometimes in the "can't believe this" mentality? How long ago did you meet her?
This was back in January or February. Over the last few months I have really shed off the "can't believe this" mentality. I look at girls now and I just assume they are attracted to me in one way or another.
Lifting, and initiating, but truly not giving a fuck if she doesn’t reciprocate. That’s about the best you can control.
Hell yeah. I love this because I’ve experienced what practice can do... especially this part:
Can you go more in depth about the more subtle IOI’s?
It's a mixture of both noticing and then acting on the IOI. I believe I outlined every IOI she gave me through our interactions:
Inspiring stuff for real man. I need to stop my inaction now.
So when she gets cold feet, back off and let her jump in you?
In this particular situation, it seemed like she was testing me to see how far I would go to worship her body. I think she's used to men begging her for sex, and was waiting for me to beg her as well.
Instead I said "oh, you're not feeling it? ok I'll play on my phone then" and as soon as I wasn't begging for sex she was like "wait, come back and play with me"
No one likes a beggar, in anything.
I could feel the good energy as I was reading through. Thanks for sharing, this truly gave me hope for the future.
I just love people like you, who won't preface the post with their stats such as:
height
weight
lifting records/averages
a picture of a face, which due to doxxing is an unrealistic demand, therefore at least a description of how (not) handsome your face is
These posts of extreme success are such self-masturbatory posts for people to jerk off to when they aren't prefaced with the aforementioned stats, if only because the aforementioned stats help determine whether this whole thing was just a random lucky chance or perhaps mostly thanks to your looks no longer being held back by autistic social skills.
In before the OP is a 6ft2, handsome face who just was skinny fat throughout his 20s and now got in shape. Suddenly, he gets attention from better looking women.
Wow, amazing game you got there... not.
I am NOT saying this is the case here but I just wish the rules of posting field reports were clearly demanding at least some of the stats that I mentioned to be attached to the field report.
I agree. If you are 6ft+, then basically you don't have to do much conquest at all as we know from the 80/20 reality. In fact if you are 6ft+ and you are not banging 9s and 10s all the time, then you are really a loser, cause you have a huge starting advantage over 80% of men.
I am so tired of this incel garbage. Every time someone posts about how they worked hard to fix their shit some blackpill touting doofus comes out of the woodwork screaming "muh genetics!"
What you're saying isn't true. Get it through your head.
Blackpill content is poison for your brain. Stop reading it. You guys are like the anorexic girls who congregate on Tumblr to complain that you just aren't skinny enough. You're so far gone that you don't even realize how crazy you sound.
Just because you say something isn't true, doesn't change the objective reality of Truth.
That you, an endorsed contributor, do not acknowledge the fact that genetics and looks are important factors and must not be ignored, is weird to me. It's not "blackpill content". It's basic logic and facts.
I simply demand the full picture so that the field reports can be assessed better.
A hot take that a 6ft2in or taller guy fucks an HB9 is rarely a proof of good game. Rather, it's proof of that guy being in the right place at the right time to prime a bitch's attraction. And so, she fucks him. The End.
At no point did I complain about my own looks, in fact I am 6ft myself but I am trying to be objective and I keep my solipsism down, unlike the anorexic girls (or any other girls) you talk about. If I ignore my own appearance and situation when trying to convey the Truth that I learned, all that comes out is the Bullshit. And the same applies to every man here.
Did you even read past the first sentence? Let's try again, I'll make it easy for you: CLICK ME
And how's that working out for you? I'm sure you must be absolutely slaying, what with your "superior genetics" and all.
Funny, I've heard this exact wording before... usually it's accompanied by excessive use of the word "females".
Refer to my reply to FieldLine for detailed response, explaining my original comment. Obviously there is some truth to what you're saying.
Great stuff! Thanks for the share.
"Finally, in the late years of my 20s I learned how to be confident with everybody, but I could not achieve this without a fit body."
While this consciousness is proud of your achievement. We find this statement particularly alarming. Maybe it might be a good idea to "let yourself go" and try to build confidence without relying on any crutches (i.e. a good physique, money, social status, power). It's all in the mind!
Congrats otherwise.
Yea we should all get skinny fat, broke and ugly, because a nice body, good looks and the status that money brings are just crutches.
Run ugly hobo game or you're not really red pilled bro!
I am 30 , been lifting for more than 3 years. Girls won't even give me a IOI ! May be skin color does matter and yes I don't drink or smoke either...
MSA = make it short and short. There is no need for all these details and there is no glory in what you achieved.
Post pics of yourself please, no homo.
You seem to know some good stuff. So I got a question: was all you did just “talk to her”? Like did you tease her or anything else? Neg? Game? Just trying to wrap my head around your success. Not trying to depreciate what you did just curious.
I can't recall every conversation exactly. I am sure that negs and game were in there, but it was a natural flow. I wasn't thinking "okay here is where I will neg her for being short" or whatever.
At lunch she ordered a wrap of some kind and I made a remark about her putting round objects in her mouth. This is not something I would use every time, but it was piggybacked off of the rest of our conversation that fit the mood.
I'll admit, I shouted "Yes" while reading this, and I'm glad you achieved a goal of yours, but most of all, I'm happy that you realise that it occurred as a result of your character and you, not to sound cliche, being the best version of yourself - not because of luck.
I'm not a fan of celebrating a top lay, as I think it stems from a mentality that's often unhealthy; seeing women as a trophy, but coming from where you have, and getting to where you are now, then you should enjoy it (especially if it can inspire others on here). Still, I hope people reading this remember that no matter how attractive you think a woman is, you can't put them on a pedestal above yourself, no matter how hot she gets you - that's the kind of behavior that will lead to you getting nowhere. Instead, be the pillar, the immovable foundation, and any girl who you can spark or heighten interest in will latch onto you. Everything the OP has experienced just further emphasises this.
I am at a similar position to you now, I think. I've been focussing on my career for the past year and I've just had a couple of 7s fall in my hands without even trying. But I know that I can do better. I should at least be fucking 8s or above.
Inspiring post.
Awesome read, congrats.
Hope you post more!
Man the rollover and playing with the phone several times. I'm trying to even envision how this is going down. Did she just lay there and look at you? Was the tv on ? How long did you do that? I've always done the "start putting clothes on" thing, but it is very risky if they stop you to re-escalate.
This whole "mental block" thing you keep talking about is actually just your low self-esteem. It's weird because you kind of beat around the bush when addressing it, almost like you know it's the problem but can't quite place your finger on it, even though you did talk mention self worth at one point.
How did you get over approach anxiety? Like I just walk past or get paralyzed when I try to do it. Was able to approach in a club but not on campus.
+1 Just for this, something I've always though, still, congrats for your conquest.
THIS had me laughing... "And it was everything I ever hoped and dreamed it would be."
That is SOO Cliche (I think your just messing with up personally about in the way said it :-D
Good work man and thanks for sharing your Success!
What’s your “hero” profession if you don’t mind me asking?
Was she a true 9 or was she a 9 approaching the wall
OP fucks a 7 at best bar slut and thinks it's a an achievment to use his dick for a few moments.
Lets be real, you didn't fuck a 9. Most 9's are average 7's.
i dont trust ratings on here. your 9 could be my 7.
So?
therefore this whole story is not impressive and loses value if the subject could potentially be a 7 for me
You're missing the point, the point is that we are conditioned to think one way all of our lives and just by stepping out of our reality and taking these "magic glasses" we all wear to interpret the reality around us off, we can achieve great things. In this case OP stepped out of his reality which was filled with negative thoughts about hot girls and f-closed her like a champ.
Great things hahaha, using our god given dicks is now an achievement, talk about beta conditioning.
That's the point. She's MY 9. This is why I didn't even bother to describe her features, only the way people act around her. It doesn't matter what she is to you, I fucked my ideal 9 (basically a 10, but there are no 10s)
Dude you should write romance novels
nice jerkoff fantasy NOWAG, why don't you go outside and actually meet a real girl
So...you banged a girl that you actually hated in reality?
Sounds like an amazing life you're living.
TL; Dr
Also don't know why This getting so much props.
Making a post bragging about fucking a 9 is exactly the opposite of TRP lol.
All you've achieved with this post is proving you have yet to internalize TRP and that you still pedestalize women.
OP if you have fully internalised TRP banging a 9 will be no more significant to you than banging a 5 - bc once you internalize TRP you realise the 5 and the 9 are fundamentally exactly the same
I think the best way to overcome LMR is to not act butthurt and show her that you respect her boundaries. She wants the D but wants to know if you'd pay attention to her feelings/emotions once you're in, or if you'll be a selfish prick.
In this case, picking up the phone worked, but don't think this will work in situations where you're visibly butthurt, and you try masking it using the phone coz someone on TRP had success doing so.
You could have gotten the lay the first night man, but good on you for eventually sticking the landing. Take the opportunities when they arrive. Don't make a habit of letting things linger on for weeks or you're gonna miss out on a lot of things. This one worked out, but they won't always if you let them pass you by. You justified it a lot by pretending like you didn't really care, but I think you did care and would rather not admit on the post for cool guy points which is totally all good if you'd rather not day. As long as you're able to be honest with yourself. Congrats on the fuck. Practice pulling the trigger sooner. You'll thank yourself longer term. Are you gonna try and plate her or was it a one time thing?
I started laughing at the constant self back patting with the "I know I look good" haha.
Glad you got yours my man. Any G-rated pics you can share?
hahahaha good 1 should've gone with
Picture or we don't believe it happened xD
/joke