Hamstering through the roof at /r/TwoXChromosomes

alisonstone · 2014-10-29T15:35:52+00:00

When a low socio-economic class black or Hispanic man says "Good morning", it is offensive. When a upper class white guy says "Good morning" it is fine. They will come up with all sorts of reasoning about why the two are different, such as the way the guy looked at her with his eyes, or something with his tone, etc. But statistically, there is no difference between their set of rules vs "being poor and being a minority is offensive".

This is why Feminism gets zero support from the poor and from minorities. They know that all the rules that feminists want to become law will overwhelmingly hurt them. White women should have the right to not feel scared? What if she only feels scared around black people? Or poor people? Or ugly people? And feminists want women to basically have the right to "regret" and retroactively withdraw consent. When is consent going to be withdrawn? Certainly not if she was with the upper class Lacrosse player that looks like a stud. It's going to happen when her friends and family finds out she was in a threesome with three black guys (see Patrice O'Neal's story about how he got jailed because he had sex with a white girl, and then her friends and family found out, then suddenly "I would never have sex with black men, I was raped!"). This shit has happened to minorities often enough that they know better. Beta white males and white knights haven't been lynched yet, so they don't know yet, but they will eventually find out. You have this narrative about victimhood, but at the end of the day it ends up being pure prejudice against poor, minorities, and ugly people. Middle class white women are not aware of their own extreme biases because people don't call them out on it.

lloopy · 2014-10-29T15:49:49+00:00

"public, non-social space"

What makes being in public a non social space?

BasedOnRules · 2014-10-29T16:11:16+00:00

This video is of a bunch of dudes that aren't respecting the unwritten laws of SMV. Hers is high - theirs extremely low. Whether that is due to income/race/whatever doesn't really matter.

This video is getting a ton of controversy because it starts to drag TRP into the light a bit. A lot of BP dudes can't understand why they shouldn't be able to say hello to someone they're attracted to. The women can't say exactly why this is creepy - just that it is creepy. Explaining why it's creepy ("I'm uncomfortable when men I'm not sexually interested in are sexually interested in me.") would sound self absorbed and vain. So instead of explaining why they just put out a blanket statement that, to the uninformed, reads that it's never okay to approach a woman.

The truth is it's always okay to approach, with sufficient confidence, a woman of equal or lower SMV.

AlfaWolf · 2014-10-29T16:31:09+00:00

She wants only the good looking, rich and famous alphas to approach her when she feels like she should be approached, don't you get it? Every other time it's harassment and she should rightfully get paid for it from the sympathizing legion of white knights and betas.

This attention whore not only is enjoying the attention, she is also enjoying broadcasting how much attention she is getting on the streets. The land whales that agree with her are simply jealous of not having the same amount of attention.

It's just a really funny shit-show.

RPDBF · 2014-10-29T15:21:33+00:00

This video is 100% selection bias.

She walked through Harlem/Bronx while wearing yoga pants
If she walked through UES/UWS/Downtown not a single guy would notice her walking by him

JudgeRedPill · 2014-10-29T20:29:50+00:00

How I picture the ladies of TwoX

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HalfPastTuna · 2014-10-29T16:16:55+00:00

She is essentially saying she wants 100% control of how she is perceived at all times

xdrunkagainx · 2014-10-29T16:36:10+00:00

She should just wear a burqa.

etcomro · 2014-10-29T15:49:23+00:00

I think it's interesting that of all the guys they chose to feature, none of them got in her path, stopped her, and had a legitimate conversation with her. They all just yelled at her without trying to converse with her.

back_in_towns · 2014-10-29T16:54:19+00:00

Interesting tidbit: OP's hubby is a white twenty-something male, nothing like any of the barbarians from the video.

Demonspawn · 2014-10-29T15:11:53+00:00

guy that follows her for 5 minutes

A guy walking in the same direction is following by default?

"I was talking the train back from hanging out in NyC, when a guy sat in the empty seat next to me. We chatted for awhile. He was funny and talkative. We exchanged numbers and went on a date the next week. He is now my boyfriend."

You want to know why "street harassment" happens? Because sometimes it works. What she doesn't realize is that by dating this guy she is causing the problem she complains about.

Oh, he's different, whatever. Sure. But you're with him. And if you want the good, you have to accept the bad that goes along with it. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

SeekingAlpha · 2014-10-30T00:47:53+00:00

in a public, non-social space

I'll take "Things That Have Never Existed" for $500, Alex.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-10-29T17:27:18+00:00

Im a Redpiller! Check my history. But if I was a Woman and an asshole would casually walk next to me for full five minutes and I could not knock the fucker out because I'm weak, then I'd be pissed and I would feel helpless. Because he is concentrating a 100 % on her. He could do something else but he makes following her around his top priority.

So if such a thigh happens all the time, that kinda is a problem. I hope that thing is staged. And I think it is, because why would that happen? She's noteven that good looking. I just can't imagine that this shit happens to women every day.

deepfriedcocaine · 2014-10-29T16:56:21+00:00

I tried to explain to my mom that no woman should be subjected to being seen as a sex object

In essence, we're all "sex objects." What does she want—people to get arrested for thoughtcrime/mental rape when they can't suppress the biological desire that's responsible for our species' existence in the first place?

wtfdizzy · 2014-10-29T17:10:56+00:00

I sympathize with the woman in that video in that I HATE talking to people while I'm walking. Granted, I'm from New England, where we are notoriously "closed off" to the public, so take my opinion for what it is.

While tactless "Hey baby, how you doin'??" is pretty much guaranteed not to work and comes across as desperate or creepy, a simple "Hi there, have a good day/evening" is harmless, and indeed a polite thing to say. If I were to do that to someone, I'd simply want to make the other person smile. That's all, no strings attached.

But apparently that's creepy because I'm not in a "social setting", AKA not paying for her drinks at a bar. Ridiculous...

Forty_Deuce · 2014-10-29T19:47:52+00:00

You want to know why I'm here typing this right now? It's because in 1977, my dad, fresh out of the Navy, saw my mom and her cousin at Penn Station in NYC, and he turned around to bother her. Now today he would be labeled a creep and a potential rapist

IVIaskerade · 2014-10-29T17:03:17+00:00

They missed out the part where /u/GoldmundUnleashed chatted her up and she nearly flooded the street.

Watermelon_Salesman · 2014-10-29T17:14:01+00:00

I'm 6'7" and likeable, and I'm approached by people all the time, mostly women in their late 30's and 40's, some old ladies, gay guys and occasionally attractive women.

I like the attention.

Maybe if I was immersed in a culture that preached that what is happening to me is oppression I might not enjoy it that much.

Now, to be entirely honest, I think some of what happens in the video is intimidating and creepy.

It's funny how the best way I can think of that would prevent this behavior is actually Red Pill. Indirect game. These guys come off as beta as fuck.

LadyLumen · 2014-10-29T17:12:15+00:00

I don't think there was anything wrong with the guys saying "hello," "how are you," "would you like my number?"

But I think shouting "you should smile!" or "Damn Mami, you sexy" is definitely annoying to deal with.

AngraMainyuu · 2014-10-29T17:47:42+00:00

I tried to explain to my mom that no woman should be subjected to being seen as a sex object in a public, non-social space and that it's obnoxious at the least, degrading and scary at the worst.

Is it strange that this line comes off as super self loathing? Being seen as a sex object is degrading, I suppose, but at the same time I know many very attractive women who relish being seen as sex objects. They wield their femininity like its a prized possession. Granted harassment is annoying but is it really that dangerous being attractive in public? Most real world girls would tell you they've never been violently attacked for being attractive. This woman is attempting to scare women into thinking its a weakness. THAT sounds like female oppression.

Oh, you can bench 250lb bro? Well that just puts you in the group most likely to be shot by a stranger. Strong guys are victims, strong guys are targets, strong guys are oppressed. This kind of logic just doesn't fucking fly with me.

SirMoistalot · 2014-10-29T21:31:55+00:00

Damn NYC looks like a friendly ass town.

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[deleted] · 2014-10-29T20:05:53+00:00

I was walking home from work yesterday and a woman asked me where the subway station was. I ignored her, kept a stiff upper lips and kept walking on.

Another woman asked me "Is this the end of the line?" as I was getting my morning coffee. It really stressed me out. I wish these women would stop trying to fuck me.

Another woman called me an asshole for getting the parking spot before her. She is just mad because I ignored her advances.

When will these women stop harassing us men?! It needs to stop!

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T21:39:18+00:00

Running for mayor of Hamsterdam, I see.

redgreenyellowblu · 2014-10-29T21:43:12+00:00

She needs to be encouraged. I recall a similar thing where a female "artist" made a photo series where she surprised her male, street admirers by snapping their photos and exhibiting them as a hall of shame. No surprise-- she was white and blond, they were all black or Puerto Rican working class men.

And it's also like the white feminists shaming black men in the NFL. Or Leigh Alexander or whatever her name is--from recent GG news--tweeting about "hood men" harassing her on the street. The more bold they get with this, the more obvious it becomes it's a replay of white women lynching black men for daring to "rise" to their level. I trust that people will figure this out and feminism will continue to dig its grave.

dicklord_airplane · 2014-10-29T22:44:23+00:00

this is great because it shows that feminists want to make it illegal for lower-value men to communicate with women in any way. it's not all that different from fundamentalist classist societies like orthodox jews or Saudi-style Islam where men face serious consequences for even thinking about interacting with women outside of strict conventions. it's neo-puritanism. this should be a wake up call to lonely men and women who are still sympathetic towards modern western feminism.

[deleted] · 2014-10-30T03:19:18+00:00

You know, it seems that the less women have to offer other than sex, the more the statement "oh, you're treating women like sex objects" is tossed around.

sokolske · 2014-10-29T23:57:53+00:00

This bitch got some fucked up nose and average body. She should be grateful that guys are actually saying this.

Man fuck American girls.

ExpendableOne · 2014-10-29T20:16:04+00:00

I tried to explain to my mom that no woman should be subjected to being seen as a sex object in a public, non-social space and that it's obnoxious at the least, degrading and scary at the worst. The street isn't a bar or a party.

lol. "It's only appropriate to be human at a bar or party! Shitlords shouldn't have any kind of sexual or emotional needs/desires outside these pre-approved consent zones! If a man lets you know in anyway that he's sexually attracted to you, then he's literally seeing you as nothing more than an object he wants to fuck!". Her mother must be so proud...

occupythekitchen · 2014-10-29T21:24:47+00:00

She's interested until she isn't makes perfect sense

Wish_I_Was_Savvy · 2014-10-29T22:16:31+00:00

"This sub has opened my eyes about the reality women face on a daily basis. This video is a prime example. Since reading many of your stories in here, I have begun to consciously adjust my behaviour when in public. I was never the kind to offer unsolicited compliments on a stranger's appearance, but now that I'm more aware of the constant onslaught you ladies face I make a point to avoid initiating eye contact and give lots of extra personal space. I figure if I can be one less guy she's worried might ask her to smile today, it might help a tiny bit."

Congratulations twox chromosome you have castrated another man.

Transmigratory · 2014-10-29T22:56:04+00:00

Is there ever a stage of the RP where I'll no longer be shocked with the sort of shit the hamster pulls out?

alwayzhongry · 2014-10-30T01:08:50+00:00

there is another thread in twoxchromesomes where a girl explained "how approaches should be done": an old man said to her in the grocery store that "she looks lovely today". Thing is that, this is the same exact thing as this video shows, that makes feminists so "livid", yet is getting much praise from the same people. their hamsters makes no sense and is not based in reality.

[deleted] · 2014-10-30T01:43:09+00:00

I have to say, this whole "experiment" is a crock of shit. Not only was there very minimal "harassment", but she walks around for TEN HOURS in one of the most heavily populated cities in the world and cuts a <2 minute video of "harassment". And idiot feminists are frothing at the mouth about their victim status.

[deleted] · 2014-10-30T07:10:59+00:00

Yup, I met my GF on a train in after dark. The collective anuses (ani?) of feminists tightened by a few centimeters across the nation as I pulled out her headphones and started chatting even though her nose was buried in a textbook. She wasn't offended at all. I've done a TON of train approaches back when I had to ride that bitch 45 minutes a day to work and back and guess what, women who train alone to work everyday DESPERATELY want to be lifted from the boredom of the commute. Not all, but enough that you should approach anyway. Think about it, they wake up at like 6am as a 20-25 year old girl, get on the fucking public transport, and have to go to some boring ass HR job that makes them want to get back to popping adderall like they did in college... they want the monotony broken.

Women DREAD the day where no one talks to them when they go out in public - everyone go read that article by that American chick who goes to Japan and gets treated like she's just an average person; she flips out and throws a tantrum and insults the entire Japanese ethnicity and society because no one approached her. Whether ugly or beautiful, when she goes a day without being a approached, around the time she's passing the wall fullspeed... I guarantee you she's going to go home and cry. Really; all women have done it once in their life, they have all cried at one point where they felt they weren't getting male attention.

Women are terrified that one day high value men won't approach them. What they want, however, is a world where only high value men are allowed to approach, so they don't have to waste the time in chit chatting with people who they would date (aka poor people, socially awkward people, and unattractive people). Which is fine - girls and guys both have preferences and largely have no control over what they find hot / date-able. But just like I realize that in the real world, to be in a club where I get to approach hot girls, I'm going to have to deal with uggos and fatties clogging up the floor... these girls have to realize that if they want to be in a world where they get approached organically by high value men, they have to also accept that there's going to be low value men trying the same thing.

And really, every single girl I've seen bitch about this has been a 4-7. Like attractive enough to get a little attention here and there, but not in the ballpark where she's actually getting enough attention to be inconvenienced in any real way. They don't realize that in their ideal world where 0-7 men couldn't physically approach, they would actually only get approached like once every blue moon by a genuinely interested alpha, and he would pretty much only be looking for the P&D. If you stop the whole societal concept of "approaching" then the hot girls still have options, but the average ones get screwed.

This is a good metaphor for how gender dynamics work. Women do their damndest to make themselves miserable by asking for things they don't actually want, and men remain firm, say NO, offer women the path to what they actually want. That's how it's supposed to go, but unfortunately for a variety of reasons, men haven't been holding up their duty.

If there was one RP idea I wish all new members understood, it was this: completely stop listening to what women opine on the subject of dating, their preferences, sex, and so on. Just stop. Don't come into threads saying you know a girl who likes nerdy sweet guys, don't talk about this one girl you know who prefers X race or doesn't date Y race, or who says that she always falls for guys who treat her special. It's all just hamstering, the fact is, she likes alpha, and if she says she likes dating sweet nerdy guys, it's because she's found a nerdy alpha guy who is sweet while also dominant, in shape, etc etc. It always gets down to the core female preference of alpha, end of story.

We should always aim to discuss female behavior, never female word-vomit.

Sworn_to_Ganondorf · 2014-10-30T07:29:15+00:00

http://youtu.be/UpJYnLrzB8I

The Male version

RejectionEquality · Wed Oct 29 17:41:16 2014 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP1Vxu2erq4

goddammitbutters · 2014-10-29T17:03:53+00:00

What's the meaning of "hamster" and "hamstering" in this sub, and where does it originate from?

wiseclockcounter · 2014-10-29T21:02:28+00:00

I commented in the other thread about this too. Know yourself and your target of interest. You're interested in this perfect dime of a girl yet you look like fucking quasimoto? Be realistic and leave her be. Men who have sound judgement and a decent grasp of their SMV, approach with the discretion you've developed over the years, you'll probably do fine unless the girl is in a bad mood or something.

The key is using ones judgement.

Judge yourself and your target of interest. Make the appropriate decision.

The problem (and it is indeed a problem) with these guys on the street is that they're not using their judgement. They're unable to comprehend the fact that she will never fuck them. They can't see how many pegs beneath her they are (doesn't matter who set the pegs, they are where they are. This is a game of perception). They're fucking delusional and delusional people are sad and annoying. I saw this homeless man holding the door open for 3 women the other evening and spat in their direction the most pitiful "HAY... heuh, I love you. I love you guys." Just really sad and hopeless.

And it may not be as extreme as that example. But if you're some 50 year old bum whose riddled with quill-like body hairs and leathery skin with a baseball cap that's been on your head since before the girl was fucking born, maybe the socially appropriate thing to do is not talk to her. Now... you're a rough around the edges mechanic in an elevator and you see a young hottie running to catch it-- ok, you hold the door and say good morning. That would be a socially appropriate situation for two people who are probably not mutually attracted to one another to talk to each other... DISCRETION PEOPLE!!

That's all their is to it! TL;DR DISCRETION. Judge yourself and her and the situation you find yourself. Be fucking knowledgeable about social conventions. And don't abandon your intellectual honesty because you're too afraid to place some men beneath women in the SMP. I for one am with these women who want pathetic men to stop that shit. It's fucking obvious they don't want ALL men to stop approaching them. However, that's the issue when these videos lack any sort of honest clarity-- they make it about all men being evil and all women being victims. Cuz then you've got guys all up in arms shouting "hypocrisy!!" when really it's a smooth spectrum of social position and acceptability that requires an ounce of intelligence to make value judgements.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T21:24:52+00:00

There you have it boys. Get your SMV up. Like right now.

Title	Hamstering through the roof at /r/TwoXChromosomes
Author	The_BitterTruth
Upvotes	217
Comments	187
Date	October 29, 2014 2:45 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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