Who is Red Pill for, anyway?

VigilantRedRooster · 2016-08-03T20:39:59+00:00

I've always been atheist, but when I was young I was much more brash and disrespectful about it. "If religion is so great, why are there so many messed-up religious people?" was my snarky attitude.

I'm still atheist, but I once read a rebuttal to that common point of skepticism that helped me understand and respect people of faith better.

Churches are not just museums for saints, they are also hospitals for sinners.

The same applies to The Red Pill. People from all walks of life find and attempt to swallow the pill. People farther along the path to RP enlightenment help nobody by pointing up the faults of those with farther to go than them.

The Dr. Laura Schlessinger show started out on local radio; she was compassionate and helpful to all of her callers. At some point she became nationally syndicated (and slotted after the Limbaugh program in many markets), embraced religion and conservative politics, and her show devolved into her taking the most pathetic callers and browbeating and berating them on the air instead of being helpful. "Good" callers developed a cult-like following, prefacing their calls with Dr. Laura catchphrases. The show became unhelpful to callers and listeners alike; a cult of personality and empty virtue-signalling ensued.

Under the old Mod team, RPW became similarly cult-like for a time, and those not conforming to a narrow standard were berated and kicked off the sub as failures at womaning.

The current RPW management and Mod team wish to maintain a "bigger tent" atmosphere, welcoming those from all walks of life who are interested in the Red Pill Women lifestyle, practices, and beliefs. If someone is interested in working toward RP ideals, we're not going to judge (much less reject them) only by where they started from, but where they intend to work toward.

Sometimes this means advising CC-riders, divorcees, single mothers, unmarried older women, and others popularly stigmatized on the male redpill subs.

To our male lurkers critical of us helping folks like this: Are you aware that many women think the reforming Betas of TRP are disgusting fakers, and think that sub should be shut down and merged with various blue pill subs? Regardless of how you reconcile this double standard, we aren't about to stop advising women how to be better Red Pill Women, any more than we think that TRP should be shut down so the Betas of the world are stuck for life with their lot.

This sub helps WOMEN with WOMEN'S sexual strategies. TRP helps MEN with their strategies, which are different, even though drawn from the same body of RP theory and praxeology.

If you think you see a problem post, use the Report link under it instead of posting an unhelpful accusation or concern in the thread. You can also message the mod team with any concerns. That said, let's not crap up the threads with complaining about who you think is naturally RP enough to be able to post here without harassment or rejection. ^{^Edit:a} ^{^word}

vanBeethovenLudwig · 2016-08-03T23:35:59+00:00

Not all of the readers are former sluts, anyway. Some of us did start looking for a husband at 23 and failed because of personal issues, difficulty to find the right captain or other feminist agenda minus the CC riding. Or some readers have already been RPW and looking to have a mutual group of women because we all know it's increasingly difficult to find more traditional women, especially if you are not religious.

Beautiful post as always!

FleetingWish · 2016-08-03T20:52:43+00:00

Beautiful post Sadie. It is not worthwhile to be overly critical about our past. We can not change our past, and we cannot become younger. We only can only fix our future. While it is true that certain baggage will exclude certain men from our reach, that doesn't mean that you should give up... because you only truly condemn yourself to a life a spinsterhood when you give up.

We are not here to be learn how to be virgin, 18 year-olds, with 10/10 looks, because none of those things are things you can learn. Instead we are here to learn try to keep our future partner count low, act youthful and full of energy, and do the best we can with our appearance.

You are only given one life, make the best that you can out of it. Worry about the things you can change, not the things you can't.

Mentathiel · 2016-08-03T22:59:26+00:00

I don't know what all the fuss about manipulation is about. Manipulation is handling, controlling or influencing someone in a skillful manner. Which pretty much makes it a part of every human interaction. When you smile when you meet someone, you're making them smile too by subconscious mimicry, which results in them feeling a bit happier which reinforces their association of you with happiness. Same as when you joke around with someone. When you shit test someone you're being manipulative without realizing it. When you ask people you've just met small favors (women often get treats on first dates or ask the guy to hold something) you're actually causing them to like you more through rationalizing the fact that they put effort in for you (therefore they must like you enough to put the effort in).

Our interactions are filled with manipulation. There's nothing wrong with being manipulative.

What's wrong is being manipulative in a selfish way, in a way that furthers your own goals at the expense of others with no gain for them. For instance, friendzoning someone and letting them orbit you, giving signs of interest, letting them pay for you, invest in you emotionally, spend time with you, but not showing/telling that you're actually not interested. Or lying about your sexual history in an attempt to lock down a better man, even although you have emotional baggage he didn't bargain for. RPW doesn't advocate anything of this sort.

So the fuss they're throwing is likely denial or fear. I saw some people at TRP say this is a reformation school after CC and all the accounts like mine, of young inexperienced women, are fake. They don't want us to exist. They're in the anger phase of swallowing TRP and they don't want to accept there are women who are trying. We're either fake, post CC or post-wall or here to further our manipulation techniques.

This is one of the reasons why one has to have a stomach for TRP. I go there occasionally to lurk, but you have to have understanding and empathy for those who're going through anger phase. TRP is trying to be welcoming towards all of them and let them express and deal with those emotions and, although it gives their sub a bad name, it's a very important part of the process for men swallowing the pill.

Fridaylife · 2016-08-03T20:48:45+00:00

I try to relate the Captain/First Mate concept to people in terms of a teams of groups that people can relate to in their business or school settings. In a group, you all bring different strengths and ideas to the table, but without a clear leader or project manager, the team has no direction, and will have no productivity. The engineer's ideas and input is just as important as the accountant's but they bring different perspectives and priorities to the table with an overarching goal to make the whole project a success. This is the same with the Captain/First mate dynamic. Both have goals, strengths, ideas, and the combination of the two should be used for a successful life. Without leadership though, the goal of a successful life gets lost in the individuals priorities and the team ceases to work together. The liberal feminist tells women that we shouldn't be a part of a team, that we need to focus on our goals only which is absurd when you're looking to raise a family and have a successful life. They are all about "it takes a village" which implies the need for compromise and cooperation, but for some reason they can't see that you have to take that attitude of being a supportive part of a team to a relationship. So I guess I am encouraging a "team woman" attitude, because it's been the only way I can explain to people why I value this mindset. There have been some many women raised with a super selfish mentality that it's going to take some women a long time to get to the point where they see how riding the CC and being so selfish will ultimately leave them very unhappy. Some women don't ever make the connection and wonder why they're so unhappy and why all their relationships fail. Wherever women are when they figure out how to actually see value in themselves and value their relationships, they should be encouraged. Not brought down and condemned to a life of unhappiness and dysfunction.

Equilibriun · 2016-08-03T21:05:54+00:00

Regardless if you are an old slut trying to reel in a BB or not, two things.

This sub isn't for the butthurt user who decided to tell you that. Really, this sub is just as much for him as TRP is for women. It's not.
If some guy decides to continue dating the old slut, regardless of the past knowledge of said sluts sexcapades, that's his choice. We can't save them all. And I don't want to either. Let them take them off the market. It's none of your business, and helps you in the end.

sharontravels · 2016-08-04T14:03:59+00:00

This is really well written and I am thankful that every woman is welcomed. A big part of why my life became a mess was because I didn't have any female role models. The great part of this community is the fact there are ROLE MODELS.

swift_phoenix · 2016-08-04T16:01:34+00:00

Women are women. Men are men. Men on Redpill talk about how to pick up girls for casual sex, so why wouldn't women on here talk about how to pick up a BB when you need one?

That's kinda how it works. Both sides should understand and respect the nature of the beast. Don't hate the player; hate the game. If an older woman picks up a BB and manipulates him, it is his own fault for letting her. He needs to wake up.

This sub is just as much for a woman on the carousel as it is for a woman looking for a nest, just as TRP is for guys who are looking to hook up with numerous women or establish a healthy relationship. Goose. Gander. Or whatever analogy is most appropriate.

rproller · 2016-08-03T22:31:10+00:00

Beautifully written :)

2016-08-04T02:56:24+00:00

I truly believe in this journey, I know it has changed my life and marriage for the absolute better. I certainly wish I had found it earlier in my 20's than I did, but the point is, I did indeed find the Red Pill. This journey, this mind set, this lifestyle, this praxeology, is a truly indispensable thing to integrate into your life and a cause I very strongly believe in.

Very well said!

trapped_in_a_box · 2016-08-04T13:01:17+00:00

It seems to me (and maybe I'm wrong) that his comment could be flipped to say that the men's RP subs should ONLY be for men who are alpha and want to pick up their game, not for beta boys who want to unlearn their current ways and pick up more alpha traits.

We all make mistakes in our lives - I'm definitely one of the sinners who is here to be saved - and I know I'll never catch one of the top-of-the-line alpha men that the younger girls who haven't had issues likely will. I'm okay with that. I just want to make my current relationship better and unlearn the negative habits I cultivated in my 20's.

ayvyns · 2016-08-04T14:18:15+00:00

old sluts how to reel in a BB

Well even if that were true, isn't that the whole point of red pill, that men and women have conflicting goals? Of course he's not going to agree with us here, the same way we're going to find their "pump and dump" rhetoric distasteful

bro_before_ho · 2016-08-04T19:43:42+00:00

My SO and I are both women and we both read the sub. I don't think I'd have much advice applicable to most readers but we both find a lot of useful stuff here. While obviously things like traditional gender roles have no place in our relationship, pretty much everything else does or can be tailored to fit our unique situation.

LuckyLittleStar · 2016-08-06T12:04:53+00:00

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2016-08-06T19:16:55+00:00

It's hypocritical for the vanilla red pill to criticize for that purpose. They themselves hold multiple strategies for individuals. Whether for pickup artists, short term relationships, or marriage - it encompasses all. So then why wouldn't the WRP be any different?

Title	Who is Red Pill for, anyway?
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Date	August 3, 2016 7:49 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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