I read the rational male, I am now angry/hopeless. Give some tips to this lost 18 year old.

Red_Pill_Brotherhood · 2019-07-04T23:46:45+00:00

You are in the "red pill rage" phase. May take a month may take a couple years but you'll get past it. Mine took almost 2 years to get over. But its way better once you get to the other side: acceptance. You don't curse reality but rather you accept it and learn to exploit it for your benefit and live the best you can despite it. Its not perfect on the other side(I still made some mistakes) but life gets a lot easier when you apply the red pill in a rational, stoic and optimistic way.

_Last_Man_Standing_ · 2019-07-05T00:26:04+00:00

RP rage will pass... and you'll be free to make what ever you want of your life...
be happy that you took the pill at 18...
Imagine that you are 52 and have 30 years of marriage behind you and 2 kids with a cunt that fucked ur neighbor and took your house, money and kids away... right...?

I took the pill at 28...
you are lucky dude...
the rage phase will pass...
and you'll be free to build yourself and your life anyway you want with the knowledge of the world only a small % of men has...

be happy... ;)

W_O_M_B_A_T · 2019-07-05T00:45:53+00:00

Anger Phase. Time to put down RM for a bit.

Rollo has a lot of good insight but he overthinks the shit out of things and does all kinds of mental gymnastics. That's not healthy. He's also pretty angry, but he gets website views from it and ad revenue so he has an incentive to play that card.

Your anger isn't about women specifically.

You're angry about the embarrassing ways you've been ignorant, childish, self-defeating and weak and in the past.

Anger is what happens when people are confronted with their own destructive habits, but they're afraid to stop because they feel they don't know what else to do.

It's just easier to sit here and blame women for being duplicitous or intolerant or a sentimental kind of evil.

That's not women's problem. Your anger isn't women's problem. They don't care if you're pissed at them for reasons that mostly have to do with yourself.

Aestheticcunt1996 · 2019-07-05T00:40:10+00:00

I remember the first time I stepped onto a college campus that had 30,000 students. The number of attractive women in short shorts. I can still remember the first time I saw it.

Just hit the weight room. Keep talking to everyone and growing that social circle. Also check out the book of pook, I remember enjoying that.

SerialATA_Killer · 2019-07-05T01:00:22+00:00

You actually found it at a good time, 18 is a shitty dating age. Girls your age and a little older than you want the 25-35 year olds. It's basically illegal to fuck girls younger than you. You'll figure it out and start slaying better than most.

SittinAndWaitin · 2019-07-05T01:17:58+00:00

Monk mode. Let it integrate. Hit the gym. Better yourself.

Siccunt99 · 2019-07-05T01:07:24+00:00

When you become chad they will be submissive af to you when you show value,if you are bottom scraper they will be ruthless to you.

Pareto distribution,to those at the top will be given everything and to those at the bottom everything will be taken.

Moral of the story start a C.H.A.D project and slay in not so far future,be happy :D

SolidLiquidGasPlasma · 2019-07-05T01:10:39+00:00

You’re 18 you just learned to bullshit like last year go to college cause believe it or not that’s how you bang hotties, go buy shoes, pay off debt

[deleted] · 2019-07-05T03:52:41+00:00

You’ll settle into a paradigm wherein you see women as basically just children. They’re spoiled and degenerate in western society. Can’t put the foot down with frame control, because that’s now domestic violence actually, which is why MGTOW. You can be MGTOW without being celibate. Just be careful of crazy hoes.

Don’t pedestalise them or think of them as something they’re not. They are solipsistic, validation hungry opportunists that will exploit you for their gain. But they’re just evolved that way. Forgive them in the sense that you don’t hate them for it, and act in a way that is lucid of reality from here onward, don’t put them above you. Whatever they have to say or whatever they do is completely worthless to you and your life. All you care about is their hole. Yes, some women have that sweetness we all know about, but it will be obliterated by the village and you will be turned into a commodity and slave, so no there is no security for you in any relationship with any woman ever. Even then though, there are some pretty realistic sex toys, so modern women are basically worthless to your life.

You want to feel good? Not depressed? Self development. For me: The Power of Now and entering the first jhana in samatha meditation - instant weight lifted, freedom and joy whenever you want it.

Good luck brother, it will get better.

onemanfortress · 2019-07-05T10:39:28+00:00

> Like I don't want to be mgtow, I want to fuck these girls.

You can be a mgtow and fuck these girls anyways. Most mgtows dont even know what mgtow is.

If you are not cohabitating with the girl you are fucking, then you are a mgtow by definition.

Others will tell you that mgtow is about celibacy and other shit, because they are projecting, and they are too scared of being alone. And they dont want to be like those mgtows. They still believe being nice to women or entertain them will get them somewhere.

Mgtow is best if it comes natural to you, after enough experience with women. But this is my opinion. Everyone has its different perspective and different way to go.

> And the fact is monogamy and serious relationships look kinda fucked to me

They absolutely are. They are coping mechanisms for weak men and for society to thrive. They need men to be emotional dickless chumps, who will accept a relationship and a deal with a being that not only is inferior but also only respects and looks into to someone who is way above them. Are you looking for love? Love someone who cant love is immoral and weak, and you descend from hunters. The female of the human species as a radar for weakness they evolved with, you are fucked if you think you can bargain with female nature or if you are looking for love. They will absolutely cuck everyone that is not above that, because its a survival instinct.

Relationships, marriage, and everything close to what puts men in the position of the buyer makes him look weak. You had religion in the past protecting you from female nature. But now the curtain has fallen. We are on our own, and thats not necessarily a bad thing. Its just the reality and the truth we are lucky to have handed to us in a plate, in the age of the internet. You are lucky. Put yourself in the position of past generations, bluepilled their entire lives, no way to escape. Yes the fucking idiotic decade of the 90's was just a few years ago.

> I feel hopelessness because things aren't going to change.

They will change for worse. But right now its good. Men now know the truth and those that want and are capable can take things into their own hands. If you feel hopeless then you have no idea how lucky you are, and you are just being a bitch. Sorry bro tough love.

> Currently fucking Belle Delphine made approx $300k off selling her own fucking bath water. It just makes me think of the cucks on the internet who let these fucking women get away with shit like this.

Well great. To us MGTOW, you dont look much different than that guy if you are crying because you wont be able to marry your nawalt. You can fuck more women than a King could nowadays. Yet, you are worrying about your bluepill white fence, that is shit and is boring and every man with a common sense, even nonmgtow will do everything to avoid.

If you need female validation, and a relationship or love from a woman (not real), than you are no different than a drug addict, or in this case, a bath water addict, the lowest of the beings. Aspire to be mgtow. Pump and dump, do epic shit, love yourself and respect your brothers. Those who fight for pussy are cucks, with no selfrespect, and easily manipulated by women and society.

> My fucking ex could probably do this" and it just makes me feel like life is so unfair. Like this whole "Man up" bullshit that's been given to us.

Yes she could. And you know what you could do? Pump and dump her or go monk mode, thats what mgtows are doing, and women are going insane because they can only find relationships with cucks nowadays. Relationships became a shit test, because only cucks are looking for that.

The mgtow effect is behind the single mom epidemic. Because in the past these cucks had no idea to know the kids were not theirs, or have access to redpill knowledge. So make up your mind. You hate the cucks, but you seem angry only that you cant be one for now.

> I'm lifting weights and eating correct now, I've got 3 months free summer and I'm still 18.

This is good and its basically all a man needs to be happy. You dont value the simple things in life, because you never lived without them, just like the idiotic western feminists. The fact is you shouldnt be working out for women, or as a sacrifice. Since you are a direct descendant from hunters, Working out is a basic necessity for any non-handicapped man.

> This feeling of anger and hopelessness is really screwing with my brain. I've stopped with weed all together now too. Whenever I get high I just end up daydreaming about some bluepilled fantasy, and I get brought back to reality and become super depressed.

Yes, too much coditioning and brainwashing. Its everywhere. Music, movies, politics, even your friends and your parents want you to be an emotional man who believes that having a relationship with a woman is good for you, because society doesnt want free hunter men. Thats dangerous. They want and need slaves, that pay taxes, marry and have families. And they are so confident you will buy into whatever deal they set up, that right now even paternity tests are illegal in many countries. They know YOU will enslave yourself for women. The truth is, you have nothing to gain from LTRs. But dont believe me. Ignore all i said, go experience it. And you will one day be a true mgtow, if you are lucky to have survived all the relationships and kept your balls.

menial_optimist · 2019-07-05T01:20:41+00:00

I started to doubt Rollo Tomassi when he started bashing Carl Jung about his theories on animus and some of his other work. It's alright to critique others ideas but Rollo basically just calls it trash. I have no doubt Rollo's time as a rock musician gave him deep insights into the sexuality of women, but you can't just discredit a juggernaut like Jung so easily. Especially since Rollo's credentials are fairly weak as well (not that credentials are everything, but I'm not about to read the Communist Manifesto and then proclaim myself an expert on the entire history of communism and socialism).

superjetale · 2019-07-05T02:26:52+00:00

Be thankful you didnt just find it early on your life but you also got it. A have some guys your age I push them a little bit that side but dont get/agree with it. So sad they will discover it the hard way.

redpilllogin · 2019-07-05T04:23:41+00:00

Your life as a man does not revolve around women, and finding a good woman shouldn't be your goal in life. Focus on yourself and building a life you are proud of. Increase your smv now! You got a nice headstart. Then you can spend your 20s having your pick of the litter until you decide to settle down in your mid to late 30s.

Nergaal · 2019-07-05T05:44:54+00:00

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

You are at step #2

zboo1h · 2019-07-05T19:02:55+00:00

Man you're 18. You're not even technically a man, you're a pupae. Use the anger, get in the gym.

mrp_awakening · 2019-07-05T03:32:52+00:00

Lift some weights. Get yourself built. Itll give something to take out the anger on, and when you're huge the chicks will swoon over you.

RedPillAlphaBigCock · 2019-07-05T12:58:42+00:00

You should be EXTREMELY happy you found this at 18

You have an awesome life ahead of you - keep improving and good times will come

You just got a reality check but make no mistake about it - you are just in a bad season / phase

Good times are ahead brother - you just can’t see it right now

davielondon · 2019-07-05T14:58:13+00:00

What really sucks is that you start to realize more shit as you get older. I just turned 26 so I’ll give you a little breakdown. When girls are young they like to “hide” and pretend that they’re innocent. They never really fess up to the dirty shit they do because they don’t have to. Male attention is there to keep the subject off them. As they get older and more slutty, they become these half and half creatures in their young 20’s. They like to have there cake and eat it too. They’re slutty and doing dirty things with different guys while at the same time faking a public image of innocence and classiness. This sort of makes men confused and we realize that we might as well take advantage of this time period and try to get laid. Keep in mind that this is the SAME girl who was to “innocent” and “classy” years ago. Funny right? So then as we move into our mid 20s, she’s been plowed by her choice of chads (maybe guys she went to HS with, college, or guys she met on tinder, whatever) but at this point, us men realize that if she’s decent looking and single, she’s been ran through by her choice of men. So single men at this age are supposed to understand this and accept her for it if we want a relationship. By the time a girl is 25, 26, she is out of her innocence cacooon and has pretty much proclaimed herself to the world that she fucks and sucks with the best of them. Everyone is well aware by this time that she’s been plowed and we have to deal with it. The point I’m making is that, they’re ALL little whores. ALL of them. It’s up to YOU to BREAK them when they’re young and make them submit to you. If you don’t find a trainable girl when you’re young that you can mold, your chances of dominating the household and marriage in the future won’t happen. It’s a game of manipulation. You have to be 2 steps ahead. Your goal should be to find a cute young girl who hasn’t been with many guys. And BREAK her.

Psychological_Radish · 2019-07-05T15:06:38+00:00

Do you fault the crocodile for trying to eat you? No, because that is its nature. The fools who keep dangerous beasts as pets - and are subsequently killed by the creatures - often operate under the delusion that they have some kind of special connection. Sheer lunacy, of course.

Likewise, you can't be angry at hypergamy for doing what it evolved to do. You can't allow yourself to grow too relaxed and complacent, or else you will end up devoured. Instead you recognize female nature for what it is and behave appropriately.

Learn to live within a Red Pill paradigm. It didn't take me long to learn that being muscular, for example, is just such an incredible advantage in the sexual marketplace. Having women approach you, catcall you in public, and genuinely desire you for sex is pretty gratifying.

I would never want to return to my old life. Eventually you will feel the same way.

send_it_for_the_boys · 2019-07-05T15:10:46+00:00

Sucks now but this is great news man, in a short 3 years you’ll be 21 keep at it with improvements and this knowledge and you’ll be dangerous out there!

Charhius · 2019-07-05T15:16:01+00:00

Instead of reading neoliberal boomer drivel by Rollo Tobasco and Robert "good corporate boy" Greene maybe pull yourself out of nihilism by taking up a combat sport and reading Ride the Tiger by Julius Evola. Also to understand cucks and insta-hoes I suggest "Capitalist Realism" by Mark Greene (hint: its a reflection of the economy)

MattyAnon · 2019-07-05T16:41:49+00:00

Like there are no good girls, they just hide how sexual they are. And the fact is monogamy and serious relationships look kinda fucked to me. Like I enjoyed spending time with 1 person and having a strong bond, but I know it's fake. That the relationship is now in her frame and no longer in mine.

Right

And ngl, I just think in my head "My fucking ex could probably do this" and it just makes me feel like life is so unfair. Like this whole "Man up" bullshit that's been given to us.

Right.

Bear in mind however that the majority of women cannot grab this easy life you speak of. A few can, but not many women can sell their bathwater. If they all tried to do that, bathwater would drop in value.

Yes, women get a big stack of free cards at age 18. You get to be relevant/successful/sexual and attractive for 3x longer than she does though. You can be hot at 50, most women can't.

This feeling of anger and hopelessness is really screwing with my brain. I've stopped with weed all together now too. Whenever I get high I just end up daydreaming about some bluepilled fantasy, and I get brought back to reality and become super depressed.

It takes a while, but you'll be able to work through all this in time. Life as a guy is pretty great ya know.

boom_bostic · 2019-07-05T03:42:56+00:00

Take it from a man who’s happily married with two kids....I was once in this same phase. You’ll eventually get past this phase of anger and will move into the acceptance phase.

Once you have truly accepted these truths, you will develop a new set of rules for women and life in general. You will now be ready to thrive and dominate within these new rules.

Congratulations on knowing and understanding something that probably the majority of men will never have the opportunity to. Instead, these men will be beta bucks and divorce court-raped into oblivion. Now you have an inside edge. Do not take this lightly.

Blaze-Bless · 2019-07-05T01:04:53+00:00

Fuck man I wish I could help ya but when I read rational male I was ecstatic, suddenly shit made sense and I'd never felt so empowered and free. Give it some time to sink in and you'll realize the endless benefits and advantages that information gives you!

PFnct21VHN8o · 2019-07-05T01:36:02+00:00

Question for everybody else here, is worth reading the red pill sidebar (the book) if i already readed the red pill handbook?

idontmiind · 2019-07-05T03:40:41+00:00

time will heal everything. Just walk the path to progress, move forward no matter what your emotions

Flintblood · 2019-07-05T03:51:27+00:00

The first tip is that you are very young and you have a lot of time.

Focus on your mission now. The strange will come. If only I had learned to prioritize.

Kn1ght0 · 2019-07-05T04:49:56+00:00

It's helpful to understand that being RP aware so young has inevitably saved you from FUBAR situations in the years to come. The anger phase will pass.

Lateralanouncer · 2019-07-05T05:28:35+00:00

The anger in natural and a good thing. It is your masculine instincts telling you to change and adapt to the current social environment. As you travel down your own red pill journey the anger will come and go. Use the anger to push yourself and firstly, hit the gym so you can look as Alpha (desirable) as possible.

MatSapientia · 2019-07-05T06:03:04+00:00

The more pain you feel now, the less likely you’ll unswallow the redpill. This pain will be your bless in the future. The anger phase lasted almost a year for me. I came to it when someone I loved kicked me off like a fucking puppy for someone else after telling me “you are an honorable man, but we’re not a match. You are a beta.” I didn’t know what the fuck should I make of that.

My advice to you, start with the monk mode, any relationship you start in the anger phase is doomed to fail.

I feel your anger

FollowerTRP · 2019-07-05T07:45:59+00:00

Welcome onboard. Once you come to acceptance with your new-discovered rules of nature, there is nothing to be angry about. Everything is really pretty simple and using this knowledge, you will finally have your desired outcome.

You just know the rules now and can play accordingly or stay angry and never play again. I recommend making peace with your mind and go with the first option.

leew360 · 2019-07-05T07:53:53+00:00

First of all, power to you! If you eat healthy and lift weight you're already ahead of 80% of people. Hell, you are even only 18 and you know TRP already!

Now back to the topic... don't focus on what's "fair" or "unfair". Some bitch made 300k from bath water?There are people who inherited 3B at the moment they were born. If you really want to be a MRA, good for you too (no sarcasm, I respect them a lot), but it's a very tough road to go. Or you can enjoy the decline, and use the TRP knowledge to protect yourself from divorce rape and other shit. Again it's all up to you. Even the world is full of anti-vaxxer, getting vaccinated is still better than not.

still_unresolved · 2019-07-05T09:32:19+00:00

I hate gynocentrism

[deleted] · 2019-07-05T09:43:19+00:00

Learn a trade, or go to college. Your mission in life is to spread your genes and live as long as possible. That’s the absolute root of an organisms purpose. Starting thinking along those lines and you’ll realize you don’t have to explain things away anymore. Function along those lines and you’ll find your subconscious will align with your conscious mind. Explore the dark triad, it seems to be the best path for this.

DominatePressure · 2019-07-05T09:48:53+00:00

My tip is keep the good memories.

DominatePressure · 2019-07-05T09:54:46+00:00

I feel you, regulary I cringe and feel shame about myself how bluepilled my moves were with girls.

edit:wording

Yashugan00 · 2019-07-05T10:28:02+00:00

Red Pill Rage. it's a phase you'll get through. the important thing is: you can never unsee it.

cat's out of the bag. they can't fool you anymore. though they'll try. after rage phase, it becomes amusing and you can use it to your advantage, after that you become indifferent

Kronosfkg · 2019-07-05T11:32:54+00:00

It makes me depressed af personally, kinda feel that I can't have this bond, and children too.

teveza11 · 2019-07-05T14:16:52+00:00

I never went through this rage because I was redpilled since being a teenager based on experience.

But let me tell you this, you don't need to be negative, I have a great LTR and have my greatest moments with women by my side.

Just learn and harness what you need to know and things will be fine.

UncleWarwick · 2019-07-05T14:50:27+00:00

Please don’t read either of those. There’s no need.

It’s already been said, go read Book of Pook. That’s effectively tailored towards college age kids.

If you effectively implement Book of Pook, you’ll be set for life.

johnnight · 2019-07-05T15:20:29+00:00

Men control the marriage market. Right now there is some girl out there getting depressed that she will never be married. (just look at the statistics)

davielondon · 2019-07-05T15:35:21+00:00

Ya I can tell you’re young and reality is slowly hitting you. I have some tips for ya. Stop thinking that these women have the ability to be faithful like a man. They dont. You need to commit yourself to getting pussy not trying to be in a relationship. Pussy first, relationship second. Getting pussy and being that sexual pervert is the only thing that radiates an attractive frequency for women. If they know you’re sexual, they’ll ALWAYS view you in a sexual light, not a friend. Fill your plate with women who want to fuck. This whole “women are fucked up creatures” is like beating a dead horse. Women’s actions and habits are a result of our actions and habits. If you didn’t allow yourself to be an orbiter, you won’t be. Women chase men not the other way around. You need to make yourself the one THEY ask questions about. Pull back on your cards, don’t be anything besides the one they want to fuck. Don’t be friends with a girl or try to listen to their stupid fucking stories. They aren’t on the same level as us intellectually and you’ll be very frustrated the more you try to understand it. There’s a reason why women weren’t allowed to vote. They aren’t on our level and should be treated like property.

_Tactleneck_ · 2019-07-05T15:45:05+00:00

Good for you for realizing it at 18. I was 24 and in a 3 year LTR, some guys don’t find it until their 30s/40s/50s. Honestly what helped me was to write everything down somewhere in like a google doc - things you thought and what you see now both from books/posts and what behavior you see in reality from girls.

Venting it in the anger phase was helpful to see my thoughts and overcome them. Understand yourself and then start to chart a course towards things you want in life even if it’s different from what you’re “supposed” to want. Good luck.

boy_named_su · 2019-07-05T17:38:56+00:00

Read Models by Manson. He's a PUA, but more hopeful and positive

Nomadicprospect · 2019-07-05T20:03:52+00:00

Red pill rage. Text book. Your journey through will be your own. The way I bridged out of mine was to be interactive in social situations. To study, and watch. Enjoy myself obviously, and accept what was happening as I was watching it unfold indifferently. I can't say that a good hate fuck or two did not help.

I still enjoy a deep social bond with my brotherhood of men, blue red or purple pilled, but I generally accept that now, quality must be searched for by me, but proved by them. And the only way to do that is with options. You're very young, and now informed. But knowledge is useless without patience and practice.

Madhatter747 · 2019-07-05T00:33:49+00:00

Be thankful you found it so young. Me you same. Im 18, just reading it now. I've studdied this shit for the past 2 year. Wish I found the redpill books sooner. So much time wasted trying to find it.

neomorphivolatile · 2019-07-05T00:48:34+00:00

Rollo Tomassi sounded really familiar, and then I remember I heard that name in L.A. Confidential.

theboldmind · 2019-07-05T08:02:48+00:00

Link to the original source of the book? I tried to get one online but there seems to be different versions? Yes I still need to read it

the_Milkweed · 2019-07-05T15:26:13+00:00

Being a Doomer is easy, being a bloomer is hard, like all things that are worth anything.

Title	I read the rational male, I am now angry/hopeless. Give some tips to this lost 18 year old.
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Date	July 4, 2019 11:26 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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