TLDR- Be discreet. Learn to shut the fuck up. Never corner her hamster, never make her feel like a slut.
I was reading ExoticPanther's fun field report and came across this little dandelion:
"she was attempting to rub me through my jeans. I got almost giddy, one of my friends had come over and in a moment of wanting to 'show off' I pointed down to my groin and showed her trying to rub me, she saw this. Now when they say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, I think they were referring to this girl. She blew up on me, I've never been slapped and called an asshole so quickly in my life. She went nuclear."
This reminded me that I've been wanting to make a post about discretion.
You must understand that even though deep down every woman is a sex-loving slut, there is an incredible amount of social, moral, and internal pressure on them NOT to be slutty. That is why LMR and ASD are so universal. It gets at the core of the female dilemma. Here is some advice for you autistic bastards:
Shut the fuck up. Seriously. Dont talk about it. You fucked a girl on the weekend, and now you're back at school/ work with the boys? Eager to brag about your exploits and show off pictures of the 6-point buck you bagged? Dont. Keep your trap shut. As AMS says, the streets are ALWAYS watching - that means that women are ALWAYS watching, listening, and filing away information about you. When you're in the break room, the hallway, wherever. Even if you think no one else is within earshot, assume that they are. If a woman overhears you bragging about your latest conquest, she will likely cross you off the "would fuck" list. Because she is solipsistic, and she is thinking of herself- "if I fuck him he will tell everyone! Everyone will know I'm a slut!"
Shut the fuck up. Yes this is number 1 and 2. Because it doesn't just apply to when you're around the boys and you think no one is listening. It applies to EVERY situation. Always be discreet. When you are on a date, resist the urge to talk about your ex or the stupid/ mean things she did. Be someone who keeps his own counsel. Since TRP, one of the most frequent comments I get from women is "I can never tell what you're thinking/ feeling." Another one: "you're a very private person" ... this is good. You want her to feel that she can open herself up to you and show you her inner sex goblin without risk of it getting out and everyone thinking shes a slut. And like all things in dating, this is demonstrated through your actions. She knows you wont blab your mouth about her because you dont blab your mouth about other girls, and in fact you're a grown ass man who doesnt "blab his mouth" about anything.
Always leave her hamster an escape route. The name of the game is plausible deniability. Never make a woman feel responsible for the interaction, and never make her feel like a slut. Even though you both know the night is leading to sex, always keep it innocent on the surface. You dont invite her back to your place to fuck- you invite her back to your place for a glass of wine, or to check out a record you got, or to feed your goldfish. And then things "just happen." Of course, it never really "just happens" for the guy, and it takes planning and escalation. But to HER, it should feel like things "just happened."
I recently went back to college, and despite being the oldest and fattest guy there, I soon slept with one of my classmates. I kept everything on the down-low (didnt even start sitting next to her in class) but eventually it got out anyways. A couple girls tried to get me to talk about it, but I said "that's my business" and walked away. I fucked one of those girls soon after, and she admitted to me that my unwillingness to spill the beans was a big turn on. I admitted to her that when she gagged on my dick it was a big turn on.
Having a reputation for being a player or jerk isnt bad. But having a reputation for being discreet is GOLDEN.
Good luck fellas
This is one of those things that I have no problem being discreet about as far as it applies to women. If one of my real friends asks if I closed with the girl I was chatting up last night, then I’m going to tell him. Talking about game and women with your actual friends is fun.
Now if a woman asks me about other women, I’ll keep the exchange of information minimum and not badmouth other women other than the occasional “we just weren’t right for each other”
Now if a woman I’m dating asks how many women I’ve slept with? I’ll say something like “more than 5 less than 30, that’s all I’m saying about it.” If they persist I’ll say something like “why would we talk about that? It’s only gonna get you in your head about it” then change the topic. This is a bit evil because just saying that will get her more in her head about it and thinking like “why won’t he tell me??” with the assumption that whatever it is will make her feel insecure so I’m being a nice guy AND Im actually more valuable than her. I’m a fucking catch.
The most valuable thing I learned from The Red Pill is that if you're out there experiencing with these dynamics and playing the actual game, you don't need planning or beforehand responses to a girl. I used to have a really strong ONEITIS dilemma and wanted to fix it, it took me about six months of reading TRP and nothing changed, just a broader perspective. But once I went out and fucked with girls and saw how easily you can read a bitch, I finally learned my lesson. I still have a lot of shit to uncover from TRP, but every time I am reading, I keep in mind this is just for internal/verbal knowledge, real effective techniques need to be tried in order to be learned.
Why would you even tell her "more than 5 less than 30"?
Ill do this and say “Enough to know what I’m doing. ”
Generally receives a good reaction as long as I’ve retained frame the whole night.
I don't get the "how many" question because I'm older so there's kind of an assumption.
But I often get the "wow, you're good at this" or "you've done this before" or my favorite from earlier this year, "I'm in trouble, aren't I?"
[amused smirk]
Always the smirk. What a killer move, add to it the single-exhale-half-laugh and it's game over for her.
"No really how many?"
"Pick a number" or "What, today?"
Amused smirk is the ultimate go-to, there is almost never a situation where the amused smirk doesn’t work, and many many situations where it’s better than whatever dumbass line you were thinking about spitting. Just let her know this ain’t your first rodeo and let her brain run wild
The hamster can be a powerful Ally. All you have to do is feed it just sliver of info, and her imagination will fill in whatever blanks she wants to fill in. It can be a double-edged sword, but this is a case where plausible deniability can have a more active role. Imagination + plausible deniability = tingles.
I've always just said "lots". lol. Even my wife now doesn't know the actual number.
What is there to gain? It's not like you will ever get a real number out of an actual promiscuous girl anyway. It's only going to make people feel worse about a relationship, not better.
"Thousands", "Millions", "All of them", etc. Be ridiculous with the answer because its a ridiculous question.
Ok so what you're telling me my go-to response will be "about tree fiddy"
That's when she realized that I wasn't her boyfriend, but an 8-story tall crustacean from the paleolithic era.
That's already giving away too much info imo.
Recently went out with a girl from tinder who was demanding to know my number. Every time she asked I would say, "A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell" with a smirk or a cheeky smile. She got curious and kept asking but I just kept saying the same thing and she stopped eventually. Banged her 2 hours later.
What you should say when she asks is something like..."I stopped counting after 50." Make sure you smirk and keep misdirecting.
sounds like a humblebrag because you give a number, smirk and misdirect is good tho
"Those who quietly eat, get to eat more"
Sim cara, quem come quieto, come duas vezes.
Tem algum fórum/grupo de Red Pill brasileiro? Gostaria de fazer parte da comunidade.
Infelizmente acho q tem brasileiro de menos na comunidade pra ter um red pill br
Que pena, seria ótima uma comunidade de pessoas que pensam parecido para trocar experiências, conhecimento e se reunirem.
El que come callado come doble
Un lema de vida esas palabras tan sabias.
Tres tristes tigres comen en tres tristes platos.
Filosofía de vida.
Ate tres, se der sorte hahaha.
Hahaha, sorte não, habilidade!
Everything is on point here.
I just want to add that what you described above is just small piece of desirable man "pie chart". A small piece.
Guys think that being discreet/mysterious and a little bit "best-friendy secret keeper" will tremendously boost their chances with particular girl. Sometimes they try to work their way to her pants like this. I've seen that million times.
This is wrong. What actually works is giving the feeling that you are private and silent like a grave, but never giving her the comfort of being a "friend" material.
And this is AFTER you have all more important things in check, like your vibe, game, looks, frame and conversation skills.
If you are discreet chump, she will choose Chad who doesn't skip locker room talk anyway.
Good, nuanced point.
For example, say you’re at the beach, no plate is going to mind if you slap her ass a little bit in front of other people as long as it’s natural and you’re showing leadership attributes and making the interaction positive about her (in this case, that she has a nice body). (“go grab me a beer from the cooler” ass slap).
I don't know a lot of girls that would be okay with getting their ass slapped in front of other people.
A playful ass slap in a casual setting is totally in-bounds. If you can't do that, you don't have frame or enough SMV (in her eyes).
Or, hear me out, THEY DON'T LIKE THEIR ASSES BEING SLAPPED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
Jesus.
They enjoy both playful slaps in public and heavy slaps during sex. You're doing something wrong or already in BB category of those girls.
No point trying to argue with you people.
They don't like it, they love it
M8 you hanging around the wrong girls
He’s got a point you wouldn’t slap a girls ass in front of your parents would you? Unless you’re low class then that explains things.
I would slap my girl’s ass when they are looking away. Shitty example on top since that involves the respect I have for my mom and dad aside from whatever relationship I have with the girl.
But again, since when does “a group of people” mean mom and dad.
I believe it's the opposite? What kinda girl lets a dude slap her ass in front of people? No decent ones I tell you for sure.
awalt, gotta work on your frame
It's not about frame, I've slapped bitches ass in front of every kind of people without a care in the world.
Coincidentally, the ones that loved it where the ultimate whores. The others were whores in private.
By you? Yea prolly not a single one. A lot of the stuff you read here will sound made up if this is a big doubt for you.
Mate you don't even know who I am, you just assume things, which I found hilarious.
Keep trying to put others down bro, you are the alpha!
That means you fuck ugly bitches then
Oh yeah, I forgot it's always black or white with you people.
Your claim “girls don’t like getting their ass slapped “ is black or white itself lol
I'm a bit unclear what you're saying. Do you mean if she tries to share her secrets with you you should refuse?
I don’t think he means it like that, more like don’t present yourself as a buddy-buddy that can keep all her secrets. You don’t want to be the guy she’s coming to with all her baggage. You wanna be the guy she’s secretly fucking, not the guy she’s confessing to about secretly fucking some other guy. Plus you have to make it clear from the start that this is not a two-way street, cuz as soon as you start airing out your laundry to her it’s game over. If she wants to blab that’s on her, don’t stop her from talking but don’t act like you’re trying to be her friend, because you aren’t. You’re trying to fuck her. She’s got plenty of girlfriends to gossip with.
When the OP mentions discreet, he purely means sexual conquest. Not "Omg Jenny said this!" type bullshit.
If you're in the friendship/ friendzone frame, you already fucked up 10 moves ago.
Women you want to fuck should either be 1. already fucked. 2. on romantic dates number #1 to #3 or third: kept at massive arm's length and distance until you can get them on a QUICK fuck ramp.
OP's advice is solid gold.
Only immature men brag about sexual conquests really. Save it for the internet. Even your guy friends well --- it's fun to talk about but unless they are slaying massive pussy themselves, will kind of resent the bragadoccio.
And it's a huge liability to women.
And it swings both ways. Thankfully, most men assume that most women will be discreet. But imagine if you decided to have a work fling, do you want Becky blabbing about the size of your dong out by the water cooler the next day? When your boss might be walking by? Fuck no. Discretion is essential --- even among loyal friends.
Keep in mind that ---
You want to present an aura of "I get ass regularly, I'm a well-sexed man" --- you can do this WITHOUT mentioning names like some kind of scoreboard. If you're constantly trying to prove it outright, it comes across as insecure.
Women are pretty quick and crafty anyway. They can sniff out if you're getting fucked and by who (if it's in their social orbit) fairly quickly.
Memorize this: "I don't kiss and tell"
This should be your response to any questions about whom you've slept with.
Too bad it doesn’t work both ways. As soon as you sleep with a girl, EVERYONE knows (in group settings like high school, summer abroad, etc.).
Every single time.
This is a tool to be weaponized.
Girls always want relationships with me, so it doesn’t work well. What am I doing wrong?
Possibly nothing, possibly everything. If they are swallowing your nut on the daily and doing what you tell them, but they keep trying to pin you into a relationship... you're doing it right.
If she is withholding sex because you aren't in a relationship then it's because she doesn't see you as the alpha and is putting you in the beta box of her dualistic mating strategy. This would be an indicator that you are doing everything wrong.
You don’t get it. The point brought up is that you are being discreet and known for being discreet, not whether or not you’re known to fuck.
Being known as a guy who knows how to stay discreet about his sexual conquests is great. Being known as a stud is great. Being known as a stud even though you never talk about your sexual conquests is the perfect combo.
100% this. Thanks for getting it and breaking it down
At my college (we have a small class), girls know that I sleep around. A group of girls from my class even caught me walking up the stairs (I was going up and they were coming down) with a girl and gave me knowing smiles.
Later one of the girls asked me to tell her 'about the females in your life' (because I also brought another girl to gala lol) and I said that these girls are 'friends' and left the room. As I was leaving all I heard her say was 'sssssuuuuureeeee'.
Sometime later, on a night out with the class, when everyone was talking she asked me to tell her about the girls in my life. I said that they're just friends again.
Dunno what that's supposed to mean...pretty certain she doesn't even like me and why is she prying anyway?
It means she’s soaking her panties over so much preselection and mystery and dying for you to continue stoking the fire in her imagination/crotch. Try “well little miss curious, wouldn’t you like to know!” with a smirk next time.
See, the reason why I am confused is because I am fairly certain she doesnt like me. Before she would always say a few words then look away or pretend not to hear when I respond in a look of disinterest. One time, she went to refill her water bottle and I asked her to take mine (since shes going anyway) but she said in front of the whole class "what do you think I am?" In a very embarrassing way lol.
Then she started prying after she found out I bring girls home Haha. Makes no sense.
I didn’t mean to start a gossipy conversation with you about whether girl X has feelings for you based on analysing the meaning behind anecdotes Y and Z. This is how girls and low-value men behave and you should drop that ASAP for your own good as it makes you feel and behave like a girl or low-value guy.
I only told you you should have fun teasing/flirting a bit as you got a golden opportunity to do so, just as you should do with every girl when there is such opportunity. It doesn’t matter who girl is, your history, and the presence or lack of IOIs.
Now if any girl you tease responds favourably to said teasing and you’d like to fuck her, then escalate the teasing to flirting, and add a little bit of kino. If she doesn’t respond to the teasing then drop it until the next opportunity to tease arises. That simple.
I hear you loud and clear.
How is teasing different from flirting? I am not clear on the distinction...I thought they were the same.
This works in your favor, granted you weren't caught with a fatty boombalatty.
lol good. That’s the best part
good post OP. here's what i was taught:
I've got a lot of single and married female friends and fwb's. plus i live out in the country about 40 min from the city.
these women all know that when they want an "escape" to get grounded or to just relax for a few days, they can come chill with me... knowing that if anything happens, it won't leave my house.
when you establish this level of trust with women, they will open up to you... telling you about their past exploits, what women REALLY talk about, and just how freaky they really are sexually.
btw, the married women outnumber the single ones 2:1. all i hear is, "there's no passion, he's so predictable, it's the same ole stroke, position, etc."
99% of the time when this happened I was just being their beta friend, no attraction whatsoever. And even with the outliers that I was fucking, it was something I didn't wanted to hear anyway because it's disgusting. It mostly served to confirm they were pump and dump material. So, how is that positive?
idk... that's a question for you to answer.
i don't give a flying fuck what girls have done... only worried about what they're doing for me at the current time.
90% are pump & dump... for you or for someone else. very few have something to bring to the table except their sex.
so why worry? enjoy them for being the freaks that they are.
puff, puff, pass her along...
Was thinking that. What benefit do you get from that? She'll friendzone you and will not want to fuck you so she can keep you as her tampon forever.
Besides physical appearance, how can you make a woman feel safe and protected in your presence?
that's a question for women. they'll usually tell you they feel safe when you're around... or you can just have a VERY masculine presence that puts her at ease.
i'll let you figure it all out.
just be bigger than them, if she starts yelling or losing her mind, hug her tight and whisper into her ear that everythings gonna be okay and lightly kiss her neck...then tell her hair smells nice and is turning you on, you don't wanna do something you'll regret and let her go. hehehe
Tldr; dont bite the hand that's jerking you
I am guilty of this, and in recent years, I've made a conscious effort to align myself with shutting the fuck up. It was two fold--low self-esteem coupled with being raised in a feminine environment. This has been a concern for me when and if I have children, especially a son. The low self-esteem was eased by the self-validation gained by gabbing about my conquests; within the feminine environment, I had no models of a man's ability to bridle his emotions. Tackling both of those at my age now, is a trip.
High quality content, brother. Much appreciated.
You're welcome.
Remember the best way to build value and self-worth is by finding your mission and chasing after it with everything. Good luck dude
As someone pointed out, I’d probably lost her slightly before that Hulk smash of a slap she had on her. Acting giddy completely ruined the frame I had been attempting to build up with this girl. Great advice nonetheless, just wish I had read it before going out!
When I was BP I always noticed that my friends who got laid would never or rarely go into detail and always kept it super down low. Looking back now, guys who are super excited to tell every detail of their sexual exploits think that ‘getting with girls’ somehow validates them as a man in a way that more experienced guys don’t
Well said. It's helpful for us guys of course when we share info about a girls promiscuity, but if a girl earns my respect I won't gossip about her to anyone, not even my best mates. I place girls in two categories: Girls I have some level of respect for and girls I don't. Don't feel a need to virtue signal to your peers about every lay you have. Reward good behavior, punish bad behavior.
Also you're right that girls do observe if you gossip about this shit. Honestly, when a girl earns your respect, no need to destroy her reputation when she did you a great favor by sitting on your dick. That's just selfish. It's a different rule for sluts though.
Can somebody clear up what LMR is? I've seen it mentioned a lot but don't know what it stands for.
Last min resistance, it's in the sidebar if you read thru it
and you should read through it, probably more than once.
No doubt. I'll get to it at some point!
Yeah i've found you can never be too discreet.
Like you said, doesn't matter how or when they know it, but they know it and appreciate it.
Also, bragging about having sex with a girl to your male friends always reeked of desperation to me. Like unless one of them were there themselves, who cares? Like if you are that excited by a single lay and have to talk endlessly about it, i'm guessing it probably doesn't happen that often.
Yea that gets old after high school. Usually you just want to tell the story and say you closed. And usually you want to do that only if the story is good.
Like bragging about hooking up some chick from the bar, no one cares.
Hooking up with some crazy ass tinder chick who is stalking you at your job makes for a great story with the boys
1 & 2 absolutely on point. 3? Not sure.
I've had a few occasions when I've flat out said towards the end of a meal in a nice cosy restaurant when we're discussing where next to go etc. 'I really want to make love with you.'
Each time I've done that she's either just looked at me, or even said back, 'I'd like that very much.'
Every single time I've taken her hand and led her to my bed. Never been refused on that one.
Coach Red Pill has a great video along these lines, 'Never bad mouth a lay'
This is signal, the rest is noise.
Point #3 is very interesting - tactically, I agree, but strategically I think this opens you up to accusations. This seems to be one of the fundamental "hard choices" with going full red-pill. If you take the lead, you are then guilty of taking the lead, which is currently forbidden by the zeitgeist.
How do you plan to get pussy without taking the lead? You think she's gonna invite you up to "Netflix and chill" if you just bat your eyelashes at her enough?
And fuck the zeitgeist
I agree... leading is the way. And fuck the zeitgeist too. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the best results without getting charged.
I won’t say it’s never happened before.., with 6’s
Wisdom. This is the whole reason this "sexist" sub is demonized. Ironically, modern "sexual empowerment" for women is just reinforcement of ignorance and sexist standards of the past.
She doesn’t need to feel like it “just happened.” Girls aren’t dumb. She’s done this before. She just needs that to be the story, so that A) she can tell her friends that she met this hot seductive guy instead of that she acted like a slut, and B) so that she knows you’re not a total idiot, and you’ve done this before.
I needed this reminder years ago. Oh well, it still applies going forward. Great post.
I honestly didn't know discrete and discreet were different words
Golden nugget of a post this one
I pointed down to my groin
What.the.fuck? Does this guy invite his friends over on the rare cases he gets laid? Takes selfies for Facebook when he's getting head? Hey, maybe he should get on the phone in a video chat with his parents while he's fucking some chick!
WTF is wrong with people.
Great post.
This is one of the reasons that young guys who think women don't sleep with older men are deluded.
We don't have the same need to boast, brag and show off. Hopefully we have a little maturity and already have our own approval
Women like a man who can keep things a mystery.
It also puts in question the guys who desperately want social proof. The more 'proof', the more chance her bed business will be common knowledge.
Keep communication emotional, subtle, implied...never direct
The best way to keep girls away from me at work is to not stfu. it works.
The core fundamentals of this are solid, regardless of the fact that I'd never take fucking advice from a fat guy.
Lol why not? I would want to learn game from the ugliest, shortest, fattest guy I could find. Not the 6'4" jock who's never been rejected.
But you do you
Facts. You're a wise one man.
https://medium.com/incerto/surgeons-should-notlook-like-surgeons-23b0e2cf6d52
Thanks. Taleb is a prophet
The 6'4" jock doesn't have women eyeing his wallet from the get go like you do. The ugliest shortest fattest guy has to flaunt his $$$ because in reality, that's all he has to get past the first 3 seconds it takes her upon laying her eyes on you to decide whether she'll fuck you or not. You can spit whatever "game" you want, but you still have to have physical attraction. If you dont have that, you have to rely on external sources.
I'll continue to do me, attracting women with my fit body & muscles. Keep my money too.
This is precisely what I mean. You dont have a clue. I didnt spend a dime on either of the college girls.
You dont understand game because you have an attractive body. So you cannot fathom how a big fat guy like me can create physical attraction without being physically attractive. Females operate mostly on feelings. Make her feel like a feminine woman by being a masculine man, and her pussy will get wet.
I mean, there's no doubt that being fit and muscular would make it 10X easier for me. But you dont need to be rich or tall or handsome or muscular to pull ass.
Be masculine, be confident, and demonstrate a stronger frame than her. And fuck her like an animal. That's it.
So you''d never take advice from Patrice O'Neil? Good luck with that.
If he wasn't a famous comedian, no. That's what he had going for him. If he wasn't famous, no one would listen to him.
So you'll take advice from famous comedians. But you won't take advice from fat guys UNLESS they are famous comedians?
Thanks for the reminder, About a year ago, there was a similar post about same topic, can anybody post the link?
I recently learned this lesson. Was at a party trying to pull this girl, we we're both drunk and I called her a "party girl". It was meant to be an innocent tease but her body language changed and she became defensive. I harped on it a bit longer and then a little later tried to get her back to my place or hers. "Message me tomorrow" lol. Implying a girl is a slut is a one way ticket to beating off for the night.
Who gives a fuck? I’ll talk about my conquests if I feel like it and I’ll keep my mouth shut if I feel like it.
Non-disclosure agreement is a thing.
Saw this post right after I told some people about the girl I fucked last week :(
The fucking thing is our sense of approval and validation seeking behaviour is so high that we feel a need. Our sense of self worth and a self righteousness makes us want to call her slut. GOD make me STFU.
Discretion very helpful
Found this very funny
In my experience, discretion is really number one rule. if she knows she can be a slut with you without anyone knowing, she will be happy to.
Shit, this post hit me the wrong (right) way.
I was learned that secrets are a currency, and I was/am good at getting people to talk. This always ends up that people feel backstabbed by me/group when we exchange the information for someone else's secrets. I live on a small island, people love secrets.
I've really tried to stop gathering information from my environment, but it's hard to unlearn this social programming. I've become better but still like 60-70% works in the same old way, especially when alcohol comes into the picture.
Just a reminder. A real man does whatever the fuck he wants to do, including not being discrete if he doesn’t feel like it. Honestly I think most of the stuff on this sub is overthinking. Be a man of high value and all of this will come naturally.
If I told you people the things I've seen people do as they changed since they had more discretion, it would be nigh impossible to believe me
She was enjoying your fat wallet, you got it wrong.
Never make a woman feel responsible 😂🤣 That's why I am MGTOW.
remind me, does MGTOW stand for "dating your left hand" or "saving up for a sex robot"? I always forget...
stand for my money is all mine.
No. You're MGTOW because you're too pussy to handle rejection, and you dont have the fortitude to become an alpha
Alpha is bullshit, even the alpha get fucked over by a woman. Chad get killed by the beta bux when he finds out. Look at Mystery and Rooch V, All those hypocrites got fucked over. In montreal the woman throwing a beer on him. Those crooks fooled you, not me.
nothing is permanent. they enjoyed whilst it lasted for them.