First of all, nothing demonstrates a more catastrophic loss of frame than beating the shit out of a plate or LTR. If you suck so bad at overcoming a shit test that you have to resort to violence, YOUR GAME SUCKS and you have more reading to do.
To paraphrase The Art of War, if one finds themselves in a war that means they have messed up.
I'm also going to throw in that you should read "The Prince", by Niccolò Machiavelli. It's not about unscrupulous manipulation of people as most people (most of whom have never read it) assume.
There is a lot of wisdom about how to keep your head attached to your shoulders - an actual problem in the warring dynasties, religious empires and fiefdoms of the Renaissance - when you're in a position of power and responsibility.
Available free at Gutenberg (and many other sources)
Also thought-provoking and useful is The Art of Worldly Wisdom by Baltasar Gracián. Also available from many sources.
I just finished reading the Prince and some of his other works last month, wasn't too impressed tbh in terms of its applicability to the modern world. I mean maybe im a wimp but murdering your enemy and their entire families (to prevent them from rising against you in the future) just doesnt seem too applicable nowadays. Some stuff applies, but you're better off reading more modern books.
That being said, its a pretty good book to get under your wing for the purpose of just impressing people. Everyone's heard of Machiavelli, no one has read his shit though. Also, his name sounds fancy.
The analogy to modern life is quite easy to make. If you run a business, it's in your interest to destroy, buy-out, imitate your competitors before they become big enough to threaten you in the future.
The application is there, you just have to frame it properly.
None of these should be taken as literal advice - raising an army to march through China wouldn't be very useful either, but Sun Tzu had more finesse and a more spare and oblique style which is easier to use as a touchstone than the wordier Machiavelli. Also consider the times in which they were written - the Borgias weren't notorious for their politeness after all and assassination and murder were constant threats. The principles are timeless though.
For example: Not spending all your money trying to impress people (then raising taxes which pisses everyone off) isn't bad advice for anyone or any government.
"the book is, first and foremost, a satire, so that many of the things we find in it which are morally absurd, specious, and contradictory, are there quite deliberately in order to ridicule ... the very notion of tyrannical rule"
There are suggestions that it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, though it's so well written as to instruct a psychopath leader that I have to wonder if maybe Machiavelli wasn't even in on his own joke. Hard to say whether he meant it word-for-word, but it's more layered than it appears.
Think most historians generally dismiss those interpretations - the version I read had a contextual introductory forward that was about twice as long as the actual work.
Honestly by the standards of the day it really wasnt that brutal. It was just realistic of what is going on. Machiavelli's main ethical stance is essentially boiled down to: "look, people are competing for power. The people willing to do evil are always eventually going to come out ahead over those that tie their hands behind their back by being 'good.' Thus, unless good people are willing to get their hands dirty the entire world is going to be run by the shittiest people."
unless good people are willing to get their hands dirty the entire world is going to be run by the shittiest people
I like that interpretation better. Honestly, it's been some 10+ years since I've discussed the book. I added the bit above in hopes that people who haven't read it, but are reading this comment chain, at least understand there's more to take away than simply "The ends justify the means", which seems to be pretty much the only thing most people know about it.
It's pretty much what's still the 'realist theory of international politics' is, which is the dominant/default strand. Look at John Bolton for a modern day Machiavelli (in his overt acknowledgment of power as the only real interest), he's highly intelligent, even though he might not seem so at first glance. I don't really agree with him though, I think he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Still clearly applicable. The most obvious area is in other competitive endeavors: business, sports, etc. It's one thing to beat a competitor in the latest round of product launches (murdering your enemy), but you would be in a much safer position if you ensure that your competitor is completely eliminated (murdering their family). Coaches lament not doing so all the time: "We left them in the game...weren't ruthless enough...had our boots to their throat but didn't finish"
Yea, I mean that is one way of looking at it. But given the context in the book thats really not what hes talking about. He meant you literally needed to end their line or they would eventually come back at you... no matter how much you beat them down, even if it was their descendents a hundred years later. His book was literally a how to manual specifically written for the early 16th century ruler of the florentine city state.
I'm not saying you can't take away stuff from it, its just not nearly as universally applicable compared to some other older books. I'd just recommend putting it pretty far down on the list of things to read if you're actually looking for things to apply in your life.
I'd just recommend putting it pretty far down on the list of things to read if you're actually looking for things to apply in your life.
Totally agree. I mean, it contains some insight into strategy in a competitive, fundamentally unstable environment, but it's not brimming with the sort of wisdom that is universally applicable.
However, I'd still argue for the applicability of "end the entire line". He may have been discussing literal murder, but it's clearly a viable strategy in any competitive endeavor. Go the extra mile to completely eliminate the chance of your competitor challenging you again.
Well, considering Machiavelli was a Republican and didn't believe anything he wrote in it, plus the fact that everything else he ever wrote kind of stated the opposite opinion...
As someone pointed out the 48 laws of power is nothing more then a westernized rewrite of the art of war. But the failure of the 48 laws of power is it looks at each separately. The Art of War has "wierd" statements like this.
There are not more than five musical notes, yet the combinations of these five give rise to more melodies than can ever be heard.
There are not more than five primary colors (blue, yellow, red, white, and black), yet in combination they produce more hues than can ever been seen.
There are not more than five cardinal tastes (sour, acrid, salt, sweet, bitter), yet combinations of them yield more flavors than can ever be tasted.
The Art of War was originally written on bamboo slats with 1 slat to a sentence. Sun Tzu has devoted 3 sentences to this idea. So he considers it to be important.
First thing I got is the obvious, that with by combining the laws in different ways you end up with different combinations. But then I remembered with harmonics, harmonics are sine waves. Depending on the timing, the sum of sine waves can be greater then the whole.
So then I thought about food. A small amount of spice intensifies the taste of the food. But if you combine different spices in a certain combinations the intensification will be greater then the whole.
We ofcourse have no idea what Sun Tzu really meant. That is my interpretation. And this is what differentiates the book from the 48 laws of power.
Sure you can. The book largely consists of simple examples that illustrate the complex message conveyed, and not reading literally actually impedes understanding. You must read literally, then extrapolate that literal reading into metaphor. When you can flip backand forth between these two approaches, to anything really, you can be said to understand that thing. But not until.
It's a must read. It's one of those writings that applied to much more than its supposed target. Throughout reading it, you can see that much of the philosophy can be applied to much more than the battlefield.
188 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Exactly. Hitting PEOPLE in my opinion is ok when it is a self defense act. A woman can pepper spray a guy following her or grabbing her or whatever, a man (and a woman) should be able to hit whoever is trying to physically damage him.
There's nothing Red Pill about being a wife beater or beating your kid or your dog or whatever.
Funny story actually. I was once pepper sprayed by a woman because she thought I was following her. In her defense I was in fact walking about 10 feet behind her for about half a mile. Turns out we were actually going to the same place. I guess you could say things got awkward pretty quick once she realized this.
Edit: So the full story. It was like 12:30 am on a Saturday night and I had just left the bars headed to my friends appt to smoke and chill. I was pretty buzzed and listening to my iPod. After I got through the down town area and hit the residential area and notice there was a girl walking in front of me. Whatever, I just walked with my head down listening to pandora day dreaming. This girl kept making all the same turns I had to make so at one point I remember thinking "that's weird I hope she doesn't think I'm following her". Sure enough about 2 blocks away from my friends appt I wasn't paying attention and next thing I see is this girl like two feet in front of me. At first I thought I was going to bump into her but next thing I know she's spraying pepper spray at me.
She got most of it in my nose and mouth but my eyes burned and I fell to the ground. I think I yelled something along the lines of "what the fuck!?!". She ran off and I scrambled to the side of the house I was in front of and turned on the garden hose.
After about 10-15 mins of blasting my face with water, I managed to walk to my friends appt. I pretty much crashed through his door and yelled "Jesus dude, I just got pepper sprayed by some random crazy bitch!" There was no sounds for about 30 seconds and then I just hear my friend dieing of laughter. I looked up and after a few seconds I could see my friend but standing next to him was the very girl who pepper sprayed me.
Apparently she was headed to his place too, thought I was following her, pepper sprayed me, then ran to my friends place all hysterical and freaked out at him saying she just pepper sprayed some guy who was following her.
She instantly realized what she did the second I walked through the door and spent the next hour apologizing until my buddy gave me a ride home. She was absolutely nuts and I haven't seen her since.
But on a serious note here...in our society, it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to assault a man because they "feel threatened". But if a man does this to a woman in absolutely any sense of the term, he gets hung. And when I say assaulted I don't mean beat them (even tho women get away with this act by putting on some sob story), I mean to use any means to restrain them to keep them from causing any physical to you or someone else. Women are privileged princesses, all of them, and they deserve to be taken down to be our equal, instead of letting them get away with anything they want. If a man is accused of raping a woman, he now has to prove to the world that he didn't to avoid sitting in a cell, but if a woman legitimately raped a man, the man now has to prove that she did in fact rape him. I hope society gets to a "girl that cried rape" point, so that women that have been raped and the smarter women will see that the feminists really aren't helping any of them. No more of this morning after regret bullshit.
This rant came from my phone so I hope it gets seen.
Lol thx for sarcasm but there are actually pussies who believe that shit and can't sense the sarcasm. I mean If a bitch pepper sprayed me she would be good at blowjobs thx to no teeth.
But... it's a good illustration of why you want to do something to avoid appearing threatening that way, if not for her sake then for yours. Either walk faster and pass her or go slower if that's not practical.
I imagine you have realized this, but it could be useful for others.
And as far as placing blame, yes, she probably should have had more evidence and/or given a warning before a preemptive strike, but if someone thinks they are really in danger then it's rational that they would use enough force to remove the threat.
How much of her fear was rational and how much was drummed up by tumblr feminists is a whole other discussion.
I am truly sorry. Having been pepper sprayed (three times), tased (three times as well), and hit with a beanbag shotgun round (once), getting sprayed is by far the worst. If you give me the choice between a taser and getting sprayed, I'll pick the taser every time. Pepper spray is hell in can.
If you get qualified to carry a Taser, you get to "ride the lightning" to know what it feels like.
I've been caught by the overspray when I had to hose a guy down with pepper spray, and it's not a pleasant experience. I had trouble breathing for nearly an hour afterwards.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I've been maced and Lysol'd (long story)... I would say the Lysol topped the OC spray in maximum pain, but the spray definitely lasted way longer.
Any idea how pepper spray compares to CS gas? I've been CS gassed a few times and everything in my sinuses came out and hung from my nose/mouth to the ground.
Seriously, it's pretty dangerous to get pepper sprayed, but you can also look at it from another angle. You now have a truely awesome story based on facts which your friend can confirm.
Did he say walking behind? No. he said following. Then he clearly said men AND women should be able to hit people trying to physically damage them. You're reading comprehension should not be so thoroughly hundred by confirmation bias. Quit seeking out shit to distort into discriminashun, its the SJW game.
He's lumped following in with grabbing and trying to physically damage. My point is your reaching for something to be offended about in someone's wording. You're being intentionally dense so you can have an outrage party, man. You know what he means. If you read the whole thing he obviously means stalking. Which, yeah, is harming to someone. But you're doing what SJWs do in plucking something out of context and looking for a way to make something straight forward into MUH OPPRESHUN!! If you have nothing better to do than nit pick people's wording to see where they may have somehow said something that offends you you might as well just join feminism.
In the same way threatening someone is considered assault, yes, deliberate following is a possible threat. We're not saying coincidentally, the assumption behind being followed is its deliberate and typically with purpose.
10 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
deliberate following is a possible threat.
Possible. If you want to play that card, any man anywhere is a possible threat because he's physically stronger than a woman. Use some god damned sense, please. Deliberate following is not a reason to pepper spray somebody unless you've told the guy to stop following you and he says no. Then he's a threat.
He never said he was following her, only that he was walking behind her, headed in the same direction. The only time he used the word "followed" was when he said he hoped she didn't think he was following her.
Pepper spray can blow back in your face, plus it doesn't hurt that much (I've experienced it with bear mace, which is much stronger than what they'd sell you for against people), it's really terrible advice for anyone, not just women, to use for self defense.
It's still viable for bears since they don't have great vision, and if you're upwind from them and they can smell you, then the mace will blow in the right direction. If you're downwind, you can get away.
I've been sprayed three times due to my job and needing to be certified. You may be one of the lucky few who experience mild to no effects. For most people though, it is one of the worst pains you can experience. When my MP company went through OC certification, we had one soldier in a group of 125 who had zero reaction to the OC. It was like he got sprayed with water. For the rest of us, the misery lasted hours. There is a small fraction of people who are somehow immune to the effects of OC. It sounds to me like you might be one of those, at least to a degree. Count your blessings.
It causes inflammation, which, if I'm not mistaken, is an immune system response to the foreign agent, so it could be related to their immune response. Did your dad typically have mild symptoms when he would get the common cold?
He rarely got sick at all, he's gone at least a decade straight without getting sick. I don't get sick often either, but I don't have that good of a track record. Symptoms are usually split between just a slightly scratchy throat or it's really bad and it's a very bad fever that's borderline crippling.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I agree that it's not that effective for self defense use but I couldn't disagree more strongly that it doesn't hurt. Fox Labs pepper spray in particular is just unbelievably painful. The problem is it doesn't actually stop people and for a lot of us pain just makes us madder and stronger...
Bear spray does have a much greater spread than pepper spray however. Otherwise your totally right.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Yes pepper spray can blow back in your face, I have sprayed pepper sprayed before and It did so, It hurt my eyes for a while after I used it. It is not supposed to hurt though, but to blind.
As far as the best non lethal self defense weapons I think those Strong police taser guns could be the best, I had a taser before but I threw it away so weak it was.
Anyway I wasn't even advising people to go buy pepper sprays, I just said that if a woman pepper spray a guy that is grabbing her that is fine with me.
Another version of that phrase is "thee times is enemy action" Beware troll posters who post to TRP in order to make us all look bad.
12 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I always look at PH. If they are new with bullshit, they're getting nuked. I'm here to keep the floors clean around here, at the request of the esteemed mods.
Probably people from TBP honestly, they post that shit, link it in the sub and jerk about it forever even though it gets downvoted and deleted.
10 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
That sort of attack is not unheard of for the SRS crowd.
There was a screenshot going around Reddit during the violentacrez fiasco several years ago of an SRSter bragging that she got subs she didn't like banned by posting underage porn (with an alt) and then running to the admins.
OP was right to do what he did.
edit Correcting autocorrect
11 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
You're probably right, but the posts happened pretty quickly, didn't wanna take chances.
Except it's bullshit. When this sub only had about 1500 subscribers, y'all openly talked about this stuff without a problem. I've back handed a woman outside of a BDSM context, and I don't feel guilty about it. She deserved it. She knew she did. The relationship wasn't damaged, because some girls interpret that shit as you caring enough about her to physically put her in her place. Feminists see violence. Some girls see passion. It's not politically correct to talk about it, but it's insane to me, that we can't even talk about it here. It's one of the 3 legs of a dark triad. It's why Chris Brown has no shortage of female fans. You are trying to water down the message here to appease a bunch of politically correct whiners.
EDIT: Look, I'm not advocating abuse, but it's important to understand that all things are relative. The world is not black and white.
-2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
If she pulled a weapon on you, or anyone really, then go to town.
If you physically assault anyone for words they said, you are a massive pussy & if I saw you doing so, we would have a problem sir.
There are some things I won't put up with. If that makes me a pussy, then so be it.
4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Oh me too... but some chick shooting off her stupid mouth, or really anything short of a realistic attempt to injure me does not justify violence on my part.
When shit like that has happened to me in the past, (and to be fair it's happened more than once), my response is simple.
That person no longer exists for me.
They come after me with attempts to fuck me over and we will see who is more skilled in the passive/aggressive game as I fuck with their life.
I'd never squirrel hunt with a bazooka when a BB gun will suffice.
And now they will just say that this is a sub were men need to be told not to hit women, because they would not know otherwise.
With some people, you can`t win.
16 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
To which I would reply, two posts does not a subreddit make. But when I see two posts in such a short timespan about the same WSHH video, I want to make sure to head off the "groupthink" phenomenon before one of those posts accidentally hits the front page from newbie upvoters.
Thanks for this mods. This is an on point response I gave on asktrp to the following question just today:
is beating and giving your girl a black eye a red pill truth?
Please. Is this a serious question? TRP guys don't hit women and give them black eyes. Dominance does not mean abuse. Just because I dominate my kids doesn't mean I smack the shit out of them.
Hitting a woman does not make you "Alpha."
TRP teaches stoic, masculine, strength.
If you strike out in anger that is not stoic. Stoic is even tempered, rational and calm.
If you injure a person weaker than you that is not masculine. Masculine men love feminine women and hurting them is pure weakness.
If you lose emotional control so easily that is not strong. Strength is being able to remain calm in the face of emotional trauma.
8 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Dominance does not mean abuse. Just because I dominate my kids doesn't mean I smack the shit out of them.
Secondly, ANY TIME a post like this pops up, it is almost immediately ripped from this sub by SRS and other anti-TRP subs and pointed to as "TRP believes in beating women".
I'm fairly certain these were attempts to vilify TRP by posting this kinda bullshit and hoping for supportive replies.
29 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
PH investigation proved this may have been the case on one entry, but not the other. Either way, periodic reminders never hurt.
Reminds me of when the FBI sent fake "Muslim extremists" into American mosques to seek out terrorists and sympathizers and all. Imams ended up reporting the fake extremists as extremists to the FBI.
Always tough when the people you want to hate aren't actually evil.
10 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
yeah I think anyone posting this shit needs to be banned. Even if they are legitimate users they have missed the point of the sub so far that they are better off not being here.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Banning is pointless, it takes LITERALLY 10 seconds to make a new account and re sub.
9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
It sends a message, and is more likely to correct future behaviour even if someone can just jump on and make a new account
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I guess that's true at least for people posting it coz they're retarded and don't know what this sub is about.
But for people who post that shit to make us look bad i don't think it would stop them.
To be fair, if you have a lot of subs to resub, it's a pain in the ass. Let alone all the restrictions on posts from new posters.
And no, I've never been banned from here, but I do make a new username at least one a year, once the old one starts containing too much identifying information or someone who's been on my computer sees it. I don't want to filter my opinion due to feeling non anonymous.
This is why one must have several dozen reddit accounts at once. What was would you do, for example, if you got in an argument with someone regarding jackdaws?
I don't know what a jackdaw is, and anytime I get into an argument on the internet, I feel ashamed for wasting my time on some idiot. So idk how to answer your question. Go live real life I guess?
I dunno man. There are plenty of people at the bottom of these comments (and not-so-bottom of the comments) who are upset with the mods for this post. Some even insisting that violence is a valuable TRP tool and that this is all just PC garbage.
Since when do we care what SRS and others say about us? Remove these posts for the first reason, sure but the second is exactly what the mods here have banged on about for ages. Don't change the message to appease people because it's a path that only leads down.
First of all, nothing demonstrates a more catastrophic loss of frame than beating the shit out of a plate or LTR.
This right here is how you know if you truly have taken TRP. If you think that beating the shit out of a woman will solve your problems, you're not alpha; you're just an angry beta.
he use'd quotes, it's obviously not his own words. Anyone with half a brain (which most of reddit doesn't have) would understand that.
But this sub isn't for them, and if they wish to use something as easy to defuse as that then let them. It takes not even 3 sentences for them to realize they fucked up.
Speak for yourself. Lol, kidding. Seriously...beating anyone who hasn't caused you life threatening harm is a serious mismanagement of emotional control; making you one step away from being over beta hybrid hamster.
Im a juicer and I frequently beat my woman. Just throw a couple of beats and other celery into a juicer, throw in some apples and Ginger and you will have a healthy high nutriet juice. I recommend frequent beatings.
As a juicer, how do you feel about beating your meat? I find that whenever I beat my meat, I tend to end up with with a thick, chunky, and viscous mess that's really not all that pleasant to drink.
I can't deny its nutritional value, but I also can't help be repelled by it, like towards cottage cheese, and fage.
I highly recomend beating your meat with a malot or rolling pin to tenderize it. Then rub your meat in a wet marinade or dry rub and let it sit overnight.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I tend to prefer wine-based marinades, particularly a wine flavor with a hint of pine nuts.
Make sure you woman gets alot of Abuse. Crunches leg raises and set ups are a great way to Use the Abs. A strong core is very important for good posture.
Something I have noticed is that women, especially feminist women, tend to go back to guys who have abused them. Sean Penn tied Madonna to a chair and beat her for three hours straight. After he broke up with her, Madonna still called him the love of her life. And Madonna is supposed to be a feminist icon.
Dude there is no point in changing our behaviors for the SRS crowd. They've already made up their minds, that entire sub overthrere is preaching to the choir.
Furthermore, how are you going to differential discussions involving hitting Women? Will you ban them if it contains the phrase, will you ban them if they saw a video applauding a Woman getting hit?
If your banning strictly people who advocate hitting as a great solution, then I agree with you, sort of. I don't think ever is a reason to restrict free speech. But if you truly think that by curbing bitter speech will do wonders for TRP's image then I guess I'll have to tolerate it.
I also would like to reiterate how appeasement does not work. It does not matter what the SRS crowd thinks of us. In fact, the shock value people talking about hitting people could incentivize SRS reads to check out TRP. Ya never know.
A woman's instinct is to fuck your head up, a man's instinct is to fuck your body up. You're not doing any favors by ignoring the nature of the sexes. Not saying it's right or acceptable, but (I think) one of the things RP stands for is not having the luxury of ignoring reality when it's inconvenient or doesn't align with your beliefs.
The fact that modern society is a functional agreement of betas and omegas with actual Alphas either running billion dollar corporations or, for the most part, locked away in prison, doesn't excuse anyone from reality. Thinking we're "above" violence for whatever reason is delusional because no matter how much you hamster, the illusion of peace is and always will be maintained by the threat of violence for breaking social order.
5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I'm not talking about what sort of fantasies she wants to act out while she's strapped to your bed with a ball gag in her mouth. I'm talking about not dangling low-hanging fruit for the troll brigades to bring us unwanted attention. The signal to noise ratio is getting bad enough as it is.
about not dangling low-hanging fruit for the troll brigades to bring us unwanted attention.
Since when do "we" (you) care about what troll brigades or unwanted attention is directed at the sub?
Catering to triflers is a quick slope to Political Correctness and the swift end of any meaningful discussion.
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Because troll brigades bring more trolls, and more trolls mean more troll accounts, and more troll accounts mean more shitty posts. It's about keeping the signal to noise ratio at a manageable level.
keeping the signal to noise ratio at a manageable level.
I get what you're saying, but what's the point if the ratio comes at the price of the signal? I understand that mods are up to their neck in downvote brigades, shitposting and troll accounts, but I don't see how restricting discussion is a reasonable way to manage the aforementioned if one's goal is to "keep/expand RP", so to speak.
The GamerGame shit was an exception because getting this sub outright banned would be bad, but this...?
downvote brigades, shitposting and troll accounts, but I don't see how restricting discussion is a reasonable way to manage
Restricting discussion on criminal behavior that is contrary to the philosophy of this sub AND directly and powerfully attracts hordes of troll brigades and bullshit postings. How is that restriction not a reasonable way to manage? Should we talk about rape techniques along with the bitch slapping discussions? The line is drawn where it must be drawn.
While I will agree hitting YOUR woman means you fail as a man.
However, when a random woman thinks she can walk up to a man and take a swing at him (lets say because he cut her off in the parking lot or whatever) because social convention dictates that men aren't allowed to hit women. Then said self-entitled cunt is owed a knuckle sandwich. I suppose it falls under self-defence, you never start it but you sure as shit finish it.
9 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Does this happen to you a lot? Random women walking up and assaulting you for no reason?
I can't say it's ever happened to me. If it ever does I suppose I'll decide the appropriate level of force with which to retaliate at the time.
Nope but I have to shop at big and tall places so generally women aren't going to start shit. Hell most men aren't going to start shit with me.
That said I can see how short guys (by virtue of a generally lower status) might get such reactions. Just realize that as long as the video shows her starting it and you reply with an appropriate level of force you'll walk out of any courtroom a free man.
i was thinking about this the other day. I'm known from time to time to say and do things that may....land me in a pickle so to speak. Enough of a pickle to get slapped by a girl. What should I do, as a man who has swallowed the redpill, in a situation like that? I probably won't do anything in public cuz there will be 10 white knights to her rescue and kick my ass.
fair enough. That's pretty much what I was going to do. It's ironic how women talk about equality and all that jazz but then think that it's ok somehow to slap men.
Technically you should ensure that you are not in the path of the slap, nothing fails harder than a woman who misses entirely.
Alternatively you could intercept her hand (likely by catching her wrist) and make a comment to the effect of 'You know committing assault is not very lady like' and let her go, that's plenty of warning and a compromise between knocking her the fuck out (which is what you should do if she starts throwing punches and kicks as opposed to a slap) and just letting her get away with whatever she wants to do.
fair enough. I'd just want her to actually do the slap so everyone can see that she has lost the argument and has resorted to physical violence. But i guess people will still take her side cuz they'll think i am to blame of course and she is just hurt.
if i grab her wrist, people will think i'm assaulting her now. If i laugh at her, people will think i'm i'm assaulting her by humiliating her in public especially if she starts crying.
You will always be treated as if you are assaulting her even if she's got a knife plunged into your chest. Don't give any free blows to your adversary whether man or woman
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
This IS self defense. Does it stop them from hurting you again? Then it is self defense. I would punch in the face anyone who punched me in the face first, man or woman. I wouldn't punch a retard or a kid though, but if any adult punches me in the face I swing back. They don't know how I was raised, what kind of shit I have put up with how come they think they can hit me when my own parents can't?
Never would I unless I felt that threatened. I would just rather not surround myself with women that resorted to hitting me. But I would walk away before she even got to the point of wanting to hit me. If she can keep herself in control then the proverbial "next" applies. You shouldn't hit anyone unless it's a last resort. Walk away and laugh, it's never worth the stigma of being a woman beater. Hamsters run like cheetahs when it comes to this. They will do/say anything to be the victim. Weather it's true or not
I dunno man, I'm in the kink scene and sometimes girls are all but literally asking to be smacked -- but this is only after it's been vetted as an enjoyable/playful experience for both parties.
tl;dr life ain't black and white
4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
You're missing my point. I don't give a shit if your woman likes being smacked on the ass, gagged with a ball gag, and fucked harder than Stone Cold Steve Austin on steroids. That's all cool. What I'm talking about is Ray Rice'ing a bitch for acting out of character. You're a man. She's a woman, one step barely above "teenager" or "child". We don't beat children with a malicious intent. We discipline, we guide, we instruct, but we don't abuse them. Real men are far and away above the strength of a woman. We do not need to use physical violence to keep them in line. If you do, your frame blows, and your game blows.
This is oddly concerning about what other people think of this subreddit. Who gives a shit.
Hitting a woman can be red pill if she's assaulting you. Defending yourself is red piil no matter who the aggressor is. Hitting someone, regardless of gender, because you can't control your shitty emotions is not redpill.
Secondly, ANY TIME a post like this pops up, it is almost immediately ripped from this sub by SRS and other anti-TRP subs and pointed to as "TRP believes in beating women".
So we're back to censoring ourselves for their benefit? This is the exact type of thought policing that has generated the need for TRP in the first place.
I'm not suggesting that this become /r/smashherface, but the minute we start allowing them to dictate the discussion in here...they've won.
What happens when the women attacks first or is really provoking? Women use such strategies because they know they can get away with it. I agree that beating is bad, but a good slap to a women who deserves it does more good than harm. Think about that youtube video of a black (entitled) women who provoked and hit the dude. She deserved that hard slap. I´ll say it again, i do not believe in beating women.
IF she is hitting you, as a legal matter you can use REASONABLE force to defend yourself. You can grab a woman's arms and make her stop hitting you, for example. You can push her down. You can put her in a wrist lock. You can run away. As a last resort you can even grab her shirt and get in her face and threaten to beat her ass if she doesn't quit.
What you CAN'T do is punch her in the face like a "thuggish nigga." That is the law and that is the Red Pill. The dude in the video lucked out. He used exactly the amount of force (and no more) needed to stop an assault from a very fit female. The bitch was COMPLETELY out of control, repeatedly assaulted him, and knocked away his cell phone several times before he slapped her. He missed being charged by a hair. In a similar case Ray Rice thought he lucked out as well when the police didn't charge him, but as it turned out he was wrong.
Violence takes over where the mind has failed. If you resort to initiating violence towards any other person, you have shown yourself concretely to be the weaker mind.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
cheating is a shit test? lying is a shit test? massive disrespect is a shit test? alright OP
If you have to lay a hand on another person because they hurt your feelings you are not a man, you are a child in capable of logic and reason. If a person lies, cheats or otherwise fucks up the relationship walk the fuck away they aren't worth the bullshit or the almost guaranteed jail time if you hit them.
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I'm deeply devastated that you don't think of me as a man.
On a purely pragmatic level, beating a woman is phenomenally stupid. It doesn't even matter if you were in the right, both society and the cops will not see it that way.
The surest way to cut off your freedom (and likelihood of finding future gainful employment) is to beat a woman. It's better to swallow your pride and simply remove yourself from the situation before it explodes.
Secondly, ANY TIME a post like this pops up, it is almost immediately ripped from this sub by SRS and other anti-TRP subs and pointed to as "TRP believes in beating women".
Because they are sad losers without lives that need to take things out of context and use spin artistry to try and attack things they are bigotedly intolerant of. Obviously saying "waaah waaah" makes them seem pathetic and won't get anything done, so instead they have to construct false narratives and strawman the sub to give their hatred an air of legitimacy. I believe we get a fair amount of shills. Just ban people who do shit like this, it's been heard of in the past where SRS subs "infiltrate" a sub and go to some extreme length to be accepted before spouting insanity to make the place look bad, effectively painting a bulls-eye on it. TRP mods probably are forced to be some of the most vigilant on Reddit. Everyone wants to witch hunt us because we shatter their fickle worldviews and put the needs of men before the needs of women. Oh, how unthinkable!
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I came into this with an attitude of "remove bullshit but give benefit of the doubt". It's only taken 2 days, and now I'm fucking done with "give benefit of the doubt". Had no idea how brutal you guys have to be. I'm now on board with the ban-hammer.
One thing I VEHEMENTLY disagree with within the manosphere is the whole concept of, "If she hits first, then she better expect to get hit back hard."
I just don't agree. You should only hit a woman back ONLY if you literally have no other option. But if she just sucker punches you, there is no need to hit her. Calm your fucking tits. It's like me hitting a 12 year old boy for punching me in the stomach. Sure, I "can" hit him, and if he was 18 I'd hit him back, but the reality is, I don't NEED to hit him to defend myself. I can handle the situation just fine without fighting.
The same is true with women. Are they going crazy? Walk away. Physically restrain her -- whatever.
Honestly, fuck that shit. Women hitting men and then receiving no retaliation physical or otherwise is the main reason its seen as ok, if a few more men defended themselves instead of just "walking away" it wouldn't happen as often as it does.
Is she fucking hitting you every single time? If she is, you have a much bigger issue here of a chick who thinks it's okay to hit you... For some reason you're a bitch, and are likely surrounding yourself around really shitty people to begin with.
Yeah, sure. But the point still stands; will you walk away every single time a girl hits you?. There's no words that can redress something like that. Walking away is just reinforcing it's ok hitting you; there's no consequences whatsoever, so why should she stop (hitting you or anyone else).
You can cause consequences without hitting her back. There are a huge number of other possibilities. I mean, when a child hits you, you punish them, but you never actually hit them back.
I don't know your situation, but if some bitch hit me i'd walk away. For good. There would be no next time.
5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I knew a veteran would see eye to eye with me on this. We have a post in the sidebar about "women are the oldest teenagers in the room". How we routinely should treat them like children in order to understand their motivations, help guide their desires, and be the immovable rock that her waves of emotions can crash upon. If she's lashing out at you physically, you should restrain her much the same way you'd restrain an unruly child. I don't care how many people don't like it, I'm holding ground on this issue.
I agree with you. I've only been attacked by a female twice in my adult life, and not once did I feel like physically retaliating. The first, I got slapped, I was drunk, and just yelled at her and told her to get the fuck out and never even think of talking to me again.
The second I just held frame, held her hands down, and told her to go the fuck to bed.
One thing I VEHEMENTLY disagree with within the manosphere is the whole concept of, "If she hits first, then she better expect to get hit back hard."
Just don't agree with you from personal experience.
When I grew up my parents would fight, but somehow I always knew that crossing the line into physical violence in the argument between them was unnacceptable.
I later found out that when they moved to the city where I grew up, one day they were in a hardware store and for some reason my mother slapped my father. He turned and faced her, and hit her in the shoulder very hard. She went flying halfway down the isle, landed on her butt, and got up looking embarrassed - and never, ever hit him or tried to hit him again.
Now if you want to argue that you should drop like a radioactive rock any women who tries to be violent against you, but not hit them back unless you have to, I can respect that opinion.
But there is no way you should be in a relationship where she's allowed to be violent against you (or you against her of course).
I've never hit a woman in my entire life. But that is realistically partly because my parents never hit each other either. I had a girlfriend who, long story short, our relationship had reached way past when it should have ended, and she was trying to hit my emotional buttons to get me to hit her. (It shocked me, I didn't even think it was possible for a woman to do that). I didn't hit her though - I left. But had my parents actually been violent towards each other when I was a kid, things might not have gone that way.
I have dated some emotional and passionate women, and have never had violence in any romantic or sexual relationship ever. But sometimes I suspect that was exactly because the women knew that I would never put up with it, so no girl ever went there.
1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Physically restrain her
Not a good idea in case she decides to speed dial the cops and show them bruises on her wrists. Because of the severe legal disadvantage a man has vs. a woman, a woman who gets violent should be left immediately.
0 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
What if she gets in your face screaming, "I'll fuck all your friends I don't give a fuck!"
Since Nia he's been treading dangerously into BP territory so that's a bit hard to say these days when he discusses marriage. Understandably so, Nia's hot.
This post reads too much like one of those "it's never ok to hit a woman" bs that has become so popular in mainstream. If a woman tries to act tough and hits a man, she should expect to be hit back. Doesn't matter if he "lost frame". Losing frame doesn't give someone else a right to hit you unless you hit them first.
This "it's never ok to hit a woman" campaign is what led to women thinking they are invincible and allowed to go around physically attacking men without consequence. Look at that recent subway attack video that went viral. She even had a whight knight trying to "protect" her when the guy dared to defend himself. Most of the time though, the guy won't even fight back because the women are somehow untouchable. See that video where Jay-Z is being attacked by Solange Knowles. She walked out without even as much as a public condemnation let alone criminal charges. Now imagine if the roles were reversed or if he fought back. And don't even give me the size differential excuse, because no smaller man would get the same pass.
I didn't see the problematic posts in question, but the "never ok to hit a woman" is one of the ultimate pussy pedestals. I'll be disappointed if TRP goes in that direction.
I think we should avoid using the word "nigga"/"nigger" here. We've already got bad enough of an image. Plus, some of us are black men. Are you saying you have no problem telling black men to just get over racism? Should black men be okay with white guys calling them "nigga"/"nigger"? Are black men welcome here?
-5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Yet thuggish niggas are quite alpha. Love it or hate it, a man using violence on a woman is not an instant turnoff for the woman in some instances. Most of us may object to violence against women a basic human right, but we must realize that, in the words of Heartiste, that "biomechanics is god".
I simultaneously object to violence against women yet realize that it can be attractive in an alpha frame.
-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Men have been disciplining their women for thousands of years. Maybe we should stop disciplining our children as well now?
And I guess that means Sean Connery--the very definition of a fucking Alpha--actually SUCKS at game and is a "thuggish nigga" in Scottish disguise.
A man should never "beat the shit" out of his woman or child, but physical discipline should be applied when necessary, just like among men. Some women are so wild and spoiled that they require daily doses of discipline to behave well, others weekly, others still monthly or yearly. But most will require just one healthy dose of discipline or even no dose at all to behave. The simple knowledge that a dose can be administered any time she steps out of line will be enough to deter her from foolishness.
People these days very often forget their place and by demonstrating force (even the smallest amount of force) can very quickly bring them back down to earth and remind them of where they are in nature's hierarchy.
Without discipline your family home will quickly become a small-scale example of a society without a justice system, with all the emotional, irrational and impulsive elements running wild and wreaking havoc.
Of course such a demonstration of force can result in serious legal problems because we live in batshit crazy times, but that's a different topic and one of the main reasons that I'll never marry.
If physically disciplining my woman and child is illegal then society has stripped me of the physical advantage nature CLEARLY wanted me to have.
Take a look at the animal kingdom. Basically only among humans is rape possible and is the male so much stronger than the female. That's nature sending us a clear message. Don't fear nature and don't fuck with nature.
And regarding loss of frame, it's not about WHAT you do but HOW you do it. Mel Gibson lost frame and sounded like broken, mentally unstable betabux with that Russian whore of his. Julius Caesar slapping the shit out of Sevilia or Marc Antony doing the same to Attia (in HBO's Rome) while maintaining complete frame, THAT'S ALPHA.
This place is Blue Pill after all. What can I say... social conditioning is very powerful and the REAL red pill is very hard to swallow for white manginas, even self-professed "TRPers". Keep on doing the monkey dance, as you're nothing but a domesticated animal in a zoo.
I sincerely agree with this man. We must ask our selves, who told us that hitting a woman is not ok? Our Parents? Society? Our Government Masters who have the monopoly on force? The people that created this rule did so at the benifit of women at the detriment to men. Look how our society has fallen and how the divide between men and women has only grown since the war on men and the illegalization of using your masculine power (physical dominance), which now only leaves the feminine power to control society (Social Manipulation). Women without the fear of a good slap when they step out of line soon run wild like a pack of hyenas scavenging the corpse of a once great civilization.
I have seen so many women step out of line by hitting men in the face, hitting me in the face, lying, manipulating, cheating, stealing, and being 100% total cunts beyond reason or game. MY NATURAL INSTINCT is to slap a bitch. It becomes an urge so strong that it takes every ounce of willpower not to do it.
I'm not saying its ok to beat a woman bloody, but it is ok to instill the fear of God into her. The very real threat of getting the shit slapped out of you generally deters this type of childish behavior typical of spoiled females. I am a man, and I don't have time to play games. God gave me a tool to quickly bring order to my family and It's endorsed by Jesus Christ himself. Women must fear you before they can respect you, weather that be fear of losing you, or fear of being disciplined by a firm hand.
The Holy Spirit says, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ. so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." (Eph. 5:22,24).
The threat of physical violence is the only thing that glues society together and maintain's social order. If you fail to obey the law, violence will be brought against you. If you think otherwise you are misinformed.
In my household, I am the law, and if anyone gets out of line in my house, man or woman I'll use whatever means I see fit to restore order, society be damned. I refuse to cower down to the standards of others, and live by my own standards of common sense and decency. Good thing for me is that my wife knows her place and has never given me reason to discipline her using force since the first time before we were married. She had the nerve to slap me in the face in front of my friends over some nonsense, which she later apologized for after I smacked her across the face right back in a firm but restrained manner. She talks back from time to time, which is fine and sometimes she is justified in doing so, but when It becomes excessive nagging she knows I won't stand for it and she shuts her yap when I give a stern look. You don't have to hit a woman when she knows damn sure you aren't afraid to.
Read the title. It said 'Hitting Women'. 'Hitting Women' is a lot of things. One subcategory of 'Hitting Women' is 'Abuse'. 'Abuse' is bad, but discussing such a broad topic should not be banned.
nigga there's one reason and one reason only and that's because IT'S FUCKED UP. That should be the only reason. Not "you lose your frame". No. It's "you're being evil as fuck don't do that shit".
That's completely irrelevant. If you can't tell the difference between mutually consented rough sex and physical abuse, you've got some major problems.
What if its between mutually consenting adults? Maybe I maintain so much frame at both work and home that from time to time I like to pay a small Asian woman to stomp on my grapes and call me different racial epithets for African Americans. What's so wrong with the rest of the role play where I break out of my chains and reverse the roles on her? If you have to bring up that I'm white then I think that makes YOU racist.
OPs post is very blue pill. Most women want to be slapped around in their sick fantasies. I can understand not talking about it. But saying its not red pill, you're mistaken
3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
Women fantasies are not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about Ray Rice'ing a bitch because you lost control of her emotional roller coaster.
I don't think violence is ever the answer. As a man or woman, we both have the power to hurt someone really bad. However i have seen friends and personally been in relationships where the woman was so psychotic that she would nag and fight and get physicial the only thing that made her stop was force. Finally seemed to register in her brain and after the fight escslated physically everything was kosher. It was almost like passing a shit test. A few of my girlfriends talk about how their previous bfs hit them and one even asked to be hit, which i didnt and just peaced the fuck out. If anything i think some equivalent of spanking should be okay for bad behavior . It works for children when they misbehave and as we know women are the most 'responsible' teenager more or less probably responsible child. So I'm not convinced violence is not redpill. Dominance, masculine, instinct, i feel like violence is ingrained somewhere in male DNA, does it make it right? Debatable, plus dealing with women.... Sadly we aren't vulcan's and can surpress all emotion. Another thing disregard anything I've said the main point shouldnt be right or wrong, red pill or blue. If you do much as poke a woman with your pinky, you're liable to go to jail no questions asked immediately guilty. Cops will take u to jail even if ur the one beaten because she said you touched her in any way. Stay safe bros
-8 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I don't like violence, I think civilized people should use diplomacy. But sometimes a woman needs a good smack on the cheek if she goes way out of line.
Do you want to debate why physical violence doesn't work on women or why it doesn't even work on children or animals.
-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
I saw someone post this on the comments,
"This right here is how you know if you truly have taken TRP. If you think that beating the shit out of a woman will solve your problems, you're not alpha; you're just an angry beta."
and I agree whole-heartidly. However, I'm not advocating beating the shit out of a woman (unless she attacks me first), what I'm advocating is, if she goes way out of line, she deserves a good smack. If she says "Fuck you I'm taking your kids from you", I'd give her one. "Fuck you, I've fucked all your friends behind your back", I'd give her one. Etc. And this won't make her run away and hate me, infact, it'll probably do the opposite effect if she's already in love with me.
2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago
(unless she attacks me first)
here is where you don't get it. We are not equal, we do not obey the same social rules or need to respect others equaly. Our size is designed to beat other men, not women. We are designed to raise alphas, you can not raise an alpha with violence, neither direct or indirect.(this doesn't mean that you should shield him from violence, it just can't come from you a unmovable authority figure)
if she goes way out of line, she deserves a good smack
lets forget the social issue, because they should not efffect your relationship or your individual development(they should be taken into account when taking a action, it would be autistic otherwise). It does nothing to encourage the relationship, yes it spikes respect all the way up to fear which makes her seek external leverage and comfort, basically breaking her need for your validation.(I am not talking about emotionally broke women that get wet of of fear)
Now backing up to emotional development, it is pure indulgence, it has not external benefits and like all loss of control it makes you less alpha because it is reactive. Loosing control with a woman, is detrimental to your life in a absolute fashion, and all the benefits you do get are masturbatory and short sighted.
You want to get back at her, you want the childish satisfaction, do it machivelian fashion, be proactive. Seduce her sister and fuck her on the couch right before she comes to pick up her stuff, publish your sex tape(if it's not illegal in your state - again you don't sacrifice yourself for a ego stroke) or to the manliest thing of all: stop giving a shit imediatly, and move on with your life like she was just a bad dream.(not having a impact on your life is the most crushing thing you can do to a woman, she reframed your whole relationship as one massive shit test and you just brushed it off like a champ)
Sometimes, when a woman slaps me for something too bold I say but I see that playful sparkle in her eyes, I slap her back. Deliberately lighter than what she did to me obviously, but firm enough for her to see that I am not strangled by social conventions or afraid to take charge. This usualy results in a burst of a makeout, happened to me more than once.
To paraphrase The Art of War, if one finds themselves in a war that means they have messed up.
I'm also going to throw in that you should read "The Prince", by Niccolò Machiavelli. It's not about unscrupulous manipulation of people as most people (most of whom have never read it) assume.
There is a lot of wisdom about how to keep your head attached to your shoulders - an actual problem in the warring dynasties, religious empires and fiefdoms of the Renaissance - when you're in a position of power and responsibility.
Available free at Gutenberg (and many other sources)
Also thought-provoking and useful is The Art of Worldly Wisdom by Baltasar Gracián. Also available from many sources.
I just finished reading the Prince and some of his other works last month, wasn't too impressed tbh in terms of its applicability to the modern world. I mean maybe im a wimp but murdering your enemy and their entire families (to prevent them from rising against you in the future) just doesnt seem too applicable nowadays. Some stuff applies, but you're better off reading more modern books.
That being said, its a pretty good book to get under your wing for the purpose of just impressing people. Everyone's heard of Machiavelli, no one has read his shit though. Also, his name sounds fancy.
Are you being purposefully dense to make a point?
The analogy to modern life is quite easy to make. If you run a business, it's in your interest to destroy, buy-out, imitate your competitors before they become big enough to threaten you in the future.
The application is there, you just have to frame it properly.
None of these should be taken as literal advice - raising an army to march through China wouldn't be very useful either, but Sun Tzu had more finesse and a more spare and oblique style which is easier to use as a touchstone than the wordier Machiavelli. Also consider the times in which they were written - the Borgias weren't notorious for their politeness after all and assassination and murder were constant threats. The principles are timeless though.
For example: Not spending all your money trying to impress people (then raising taxes which pisses everyone off) isn't bad advice for anyone or any government.
Don't take the book immediately at face value.
There are suggestions that it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, though it's so well written as to instruct a psychopath leader that I have to wonder if maybe Machiavelli wasn't even in on his own joke. Hard to say whether he meant it word-for-word, but it's more layered than it appears.
Think most historians generally dismiss those interpretations - the version I read had a contextual introductory forward that was about twice as long as the actual work.
Honestly by the standards of the day it really wasnt that brutal. It was just realistic of what is going on. Machiavelli's main ethical stance is essentially boiled down to: "look, people are competing for power. The people willing to do evil are always eventually going to come out ahead over those that tie their hands behind their back by being 'good.' Thus, unless good people are willing to get their hands dirty the entire world is going to be run by the shittiest people."
I like that interpretation better. Honestly, it's been some 10+ years since I've discussed the book. I added the bit above in hopes that people who haven't read it, but are reading this comment chain, at least understand there's more to take away than simply "The ends justify the means", which seems to be pretty much the only thing most people know about it.
It's pretty much what's still the 'realist theory of international politics' is, which is the dominant/default strand. Look at John Bolton for a modern day Machiavelli (in his overt acknowledgment of power as the only real interest), he's highly intelligent, even though he might not seem so at first glance. I don't really agree with him though, I think he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Still clearly applicable. The most obvious area is in other competitive endeavors: business, sports, etc. It's one thing to beat a competitor in the latest round of product launches (murdering your enemy), but you would be in a much safer position if you ensure that your competitor is completely eliminated (murdering their family). Coaches lament not doing so all the time: "We left them in the game...weren't ruthless enough...had our boots to their throat but didn't finish"
Yea, I mean that is one way of looking at it. But given the context in the book thats really not what hes talking about. He meant you literally needed to end their line or they would eventually come back at you... no matter how much you beat them down, even if it was their descendents a hundred years later. His book was literally a how to manual specifically written for the early 16th century ruler of the florentine city state.
I'm not saying you can't take away stuff from it, its just not nearly as universally applicable compared to some other older books. I'd just recommend putting it pretty far down on the list of things to read if you're actually looking for things to apply in your life.
Totally agree. I mean, it contains some insight into strategy in a competitive, fundamentally unstable environment, but it's not brimming with the sort of wisdom that is universally applicable.
However, I'd still argue for the applicability of "end the entire line". He may have been discussing literal murder, but it's clearly a viable strategy in any competitive endeavor. Go the extra mile to completely eliminate the chance of your competitor challenging you again.
The prince is in my desk right now. Not a very enjoyable read but insightful nonetheless.
It is important to remember, though, that The Prince is essentially a satirical work, and should not be taken wholly seriously.
yeah no, it's not satirical
Well, considering Machiavelli was a Republican and didn't believe anything he wrote in it, plus the fact that everything else he ever wrote kind of stated the opposite opinion...
Dig it. Maybe I should finally give that a read.
As someone pointed out the 48 laws of power is nothing more then a westernized rewrite of the art of war. But the failure of the 48 laws of power is it looks at each separately. The Art of War has "wierd" statements like this.
The Art of War was originally written on bamboo slats with 1 slat to a sentence. Sun Tzu has devoted 3 sentences to this idea. So he considers it to be important.
First thing I got is the obvious, that with by combining the laws in different ways you end up with different combinations. But then I remembered with harmonics, harmonics are sine waves. Depending on the timing, the sum of sine waves can be greater then the whole.
So then I thought about food. A small amount of spice intensifies the taste of the food. But if you combine different spices in a certain combinations the intensification will be greater then the whole.
We ofcourse have no idea what Sun Tzu really meant. That is my interpretation. And this is what differentiates the book from the 48 laws of power.
You cant take the stuff zun writes literally. Its all a message underneath
Sure you can. The book largely consists of simple examples that illustrate the complex message conveyed, and not reading literally actually impedes understanding. You must read literally, then extrapolate that literal reading into metaphor. When you can flip backand forth between these two approaches, to anything really, you can be said to understand that thing. But not until.
Just meditate about everything there
It's a must read. It's one of those writings that applied to much more than its supposed target. Throughout reading it, you can see that much of the philosophy can be applied to much more than the battlefield.
Exactly. Hitting PEOPLE in my opinion is ok when it is a self defense act. A woman can pepper spray a guy following her or grabbing her or whatever, a man (and a woman) should be able to hit whoever is trying to physically damage him.
There's nothing Red Pill about being a wife beater or beating your kid or your dog or whatever.
Funny story actually. I was once pepper sprayed by a woman because she thought I was following her. In her defense I was in fact walking about 10 feet behind her for about half a mile. Turns out we were actually going to the same place. I guess you could say things got awkward pretty quick once she realized this.
Edit: So the full story. It was like 12:30 am on a Saturday night and I had just left the bars headed to my friends appt to smoke and chill. I was pretty buzzed and listening to my iPod. After I got through the down town area and hit the residential area and notice there was a girl walking in front of me. Whatever, I just walked with my head down listening to pandora day dreaming. This girl kept making all the same turns I had to make so at one point I remember thinking "that's weird I hope she doesn't think I'm following her". Sure enough about 2 blocks away from my friends appt I wasn't paying attention and next thing I see is this girl like two feet in front of me. At first I thought I was going to bump into her but next thing I know she's spraying pepper spray at me.
She got most of it in my nose and mouth but my eyes burned and I fell to the ground. I think I yelled something along the lines of "what the fuck!?!". She ran off and I scrambled to the side of the house I was in front of and turned on the garden hose.
After about 10-15 mins of blasting my face with water, I managed to walk to my friends appt. I pretty much crashed through his door and yelled "Jesus dude, I just got pepper sprayed by some random crazy bitch!" There was no sounds for about 30 seconds and then I just hear my friend dieing of laughter. I looked up and after a few seconds I could see my friend but standing next to him was the very girl who pepper sprayed me.
Apparently she was headed to his place too, thought I was following her, pepper sprayed me, then ran to my friends place all hysterical and freaked out at him saying she just pepper sprayed some guy who was following her.
She instantly realized what she did the second I walked through the door and spent the next hour apologizing until my buddy gave me a ride home. She was absolutely nuts and I haven't seen her since.
You should've checked your privilege.
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He raped her with his innocence.
But on a serious note here...in our society, it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to assault a man because they "feel threatened". But if a man does this to a woman in absolutely any sense of the term, he gets hung. And when I say assaulted I don't mean beat them (even tho women get away with this act by putting on some sob story), I mean to use any means to restrain them to keep them from causing any physical to you or someone else. Women are privileged princesses, all of them, and they deserve to be taken down to be our equal, instead of letting them get away with anything they want. If a man is accused of raping a woman, he now has to prove to the world that he didn't to avoid sitting in a cell, but if a woman legitimately raped a man, the man now has to prove that she did in fact rape him. I hope society gets to a "girl that cried rape" point, so that women that have been raped and the smarter women will see that the feminists really aren't helping any of them. No more of this morning after regret bullshit.
This rant came from my phone so I hope it gets seen.
Yes, society treats women like children. News at 11.
Lol thx for sarcasm but there are actually pussies who believe that shit and can't sense the sarcasm. I mean If a bitch pepper sprayed me she would be good at blowjobs thx to no teeth.
Great story.
But... it's a good illustration of why you want to do something to avoid appearing threatening that way, if not for her sake then for yours. Either walk faster and pass her or go slower if that's not practical.
I imagine you have realized this, but it could be useful for others.
And as far as placing blame, yes, she probably should have had more evidence and/or given a warning before a preemptive strike, but if someone thinks they are really in danger then it's rational that they would use enough force to remove the threat.
How much of her fear was rational and how much was drummed up by tumblr feminists is a whole other discussion.
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Good luck convincing the legal system that you're in the right if you speak like you write.
I am truly sorry. Having been pepper sprayed (three times), tased (three times as well), and hit with a beanbag shotgun round (once), getting sprayed is by far the worst. If you give me the choice between a taser and getting sprayed, I'll pick the taser every time. Pepper spray is hell in can.
So are you a law enforcement officer or do you just run from them a lot?
It's possible he's a salesman for a less than lethal arms company. Or a test dummy.
Test dummy checks out. Thanks
Maybe he's a Jehovah witness...
If you get qualified to carry a Taser, you get to "ride the lightning" to know what it feels like.
I've been caught by the overspray when I had to hose a guy down with pepper spray, and it's not a pleasant experience. I had trouble breathing for nearly an hour afterwards.
I've been maced and Lysol'd (long story)... I would say the Lysol topped the OC spray in maximum pain, but the spray definitely lasted way longer.
Any idea how pepper spray compares to CS gas? I've been CS gassed a few times and everything in my sinuses came out and hung from my nose/mouth to the ground.
Not even the same league. CS actually smells good compared to the evil that comes out of a pepper spray can.
Pepper spray is by far the worst. The police in my area have a habit of using it first, and I used to have a habit of protesting a lot.
CS is cake.
Military grade OC spray is CS, though. I've only been hit with OC as far as pepper spray goes but I hear nothing comes close except bear mace.
Seriously, it's pretty dangerous to get pepper sprayed, but you can also look at it from another angle. You now have a truely awesome story based on facts which your friend can confirm.
Why the fuck did you not press charges?
Because it would be waste of time and resources.
Because her actions weren't all that unreasonable.
Yes, assaulting a total stranger is completely reasonable.
A total stranger who has been following you for a half mile, late at night, turn for turn? No police department in the world would charge her.
I think you misspelled your name, Whitney.
Is that supposed to be a joke about hitting women?
You should have recorded her admitting what she did and called the cops on her.
A woman should be able to assault a man for being behind her and walking in the same direction? Bullshit.
Did he say walking behind? No. he said following. Then he clearly said men AND women should be able to hit people trying to physically damage them. You're reading comprehension should not be so thoroughly hundred by confirmation bias. Quit seeking out shit to distort into discriminashun, its the SJW game.
TIL "following" someone is damaging them. Thank you for enlightening me, and my reading comprehension.
He's lumped following in with grabbing and trying to physically damage. My point is your reaching for something to be offended about in someone's wording. You're being intentionally dense so you can have an outrage party, man. You know what he means. If you read the whole thing he obviously means stalking. Which, yeah, is harming to someone. But you're doing what SJWs do in plucking something out of context and looking for a way to make something straight forward into MUH OPPRESHUN!! If you have nothing better to do than nit pick people's wording to see where they may have somehow said something that offends you you might as well just join feminism.
This sub and mensrights often go out of their way to be offended, exactly as feminists and sjw's do all the time.
I'm actually bothered by how innocent things become villianized by lumping them together with horrible things, but thanks for telling me what I think!
In the same way threatening someone is considered assault, yes, deliberate following is a possible threat. We're not saying coincidentally, the assumption behind being followed is its deliberate and typically with purpose.
Possible. If you want to play that card, any man anywhere is a possible threat because he's physically stronger than a woman. Use some god damned sense, please. Deliberate following is not a reason to pepper spray somebody unless you've told the guy to stop following you and he says no. Then he's a threat.
And this is the type of reasoning that gives women a free pass to act fucking ridiculous with no recourse. Welcome to be being part of the problem.
He never said he was following her, only that he was walking behind her, headed in the same direction. The only time he used the word "followed" was when he said he hoped she didn't think he was following her.
What the fuck are you even taking about? Following her was literally what he said.
I don't see where he said that.
Also, are you always this easily angered, or is it just online? I used to have a bad temper too, but i've gotten better about it as I get older.
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Pepper spray can blow back in your face, plus it doesn't hurt that much (I've experienced it with bear mace, which is much stronger than what they'd sell you for against people), it's really terrible advice for anyone, not just women, to use for self defense.
It's still viable for bears since they don't have great vision, and if you're upwind from them and they can smell you, then the mace will blow in the right direction. If you're downwind, you can get away.
I've been sprayed three times due to my job and needing to be certified. You may be one of the lucky few who experience mild to no effects. For most people though, it is one of the worst pains you can experience. When my MP company went through OC certification, we had one soldier in a group of 125 who had zero reaction to the OC. It was like he got sprayed with water. For the rest of us, the misery lasted hours. There is a small fraction of people who are somehow immune to the effects of OC. It sounds to me like you might be one of those, at least to a degree. Count your blessings.
I wonder if it's genetic. My dad had a can explode while he was hiking (due to the heat), and it didn't affect him badly either.
It causes inflammation, which, if I'm not mistaken, is an immune system response to the foreign agent, so it could be related to their immune response. Did your dad typically have mild symptoms when he would get the common cold?
He rarely got sick at all, he's gone at least a decade straight without getting sick. I don't get sick often either, but I don't have that good of a track record. Symptoms are usually split between just a slightly scratchy throat or it's really bad and it's a very bad fever that's borderline crippling.
I agree that it's not that effective for self defense use but I couldn't disagree more strongly that it doesn't hurt. Fox Labs pepper spray in particular is just unbelievably painful. The problem is it doesn't actually stop people and for a lot of us pain just makes us madder and stronger...
The best spray for bears is lead.
Bear spray does have a much greater spread than pepper spray however. Otherwise your totally right.
Yes pepper spray can blow back in your face, I have sprayed pepper sprayed before and It did so, It hurt my eyes for a while after I used it. It is not supposed to hurt though, but to blind.
As far as the best non lethal self defense weapons I think those Strong police taser guns could be the best, I had a taser before but I threw it away so weak it was.
Anyway I wasn't even advising people to go buy pepper sprays, I just said that if a woman pepper spray a guy that is grabbing her that is fine with me.
This shouldn't need to be a PSA.
If it was only one post I'd have addressed it and moved on. But as the saying goes:
"Once is a chance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern."
I wanted to head this off before it became a "pattern".
Another version of that phrase is "thee times is enemy action" Beware troll posters who post to TRP in order to make us all look bad.
I always look at PH. If they are new with bullshit, they're getting nuked. I'm here to keep the floors clean around here, at the request of the esteemed mods.
Probably people from TBP honestly, they post that shit, link it in the sub and jerk about it forever even though it gets downvoted and deleted.
That sort of attack is not unheard of for the SRS crowd.
There was a screenshot going around Reddit during the violentacrez fiasco several years ago of an SRSter bragging that she got subs she didn't like banned by posting underage porn (with an alt) and then running to the admins.
OP was right to do what he did.
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You're probably right, but the posts happened pretty quickly, didn't wanna take chances.
The "tough talk" in here is getting ridiculous and almost clownish at times
That's concern trolling. Only mods are allowed to criticize anything in TRP.
Except it's bullshit. When this sub only had about 1500 subscribers, y'all openly talked about this stuff without a problem. I've back handed a woman outside of a BDSM context, and I don't feel guilty about it. She deserved it. She knew she did. The relationship wasn't damaged, because some girls interpret that shit as you caring enough about her to physically put her in her place. Feminists see violence. Some girls see passion. It's not politically correct to talk about it, but it's insane to me, that we can't even talk about it here. It's one of the 3 legs of a dark triad. It's why Chris Brown has no shortage of female fans. You are trying to water down the message here to appease a bunch of politically correct whiners.
EDIT: Look, I'm not advocating abuse, but it's important to understand that all things are relative. The world is not black and white.
If she pulled a weapon on you, or anyone really, then go to town.
If you physically assault anyone for words they said, you are a massive pussy & if I saw you doing so, we would have a problem sir.
Ok.
There are some things I won't put up with. If that makes me a pussy, then so be it.
Oh me too... but some chick shooting off her stupid mouth, or really anything short of a realistic attempt to injure me does not justify violence on my part.
When shit like that has happened to me in the past, (and to be fair it's happened more than once), my response is simple.
That person no longer exists for me.
They come after me with attempts to fuck me over and we will see who is more skilled in the passive/aggressive game as I fuck with their life.
I'd never squirrel hunt with a bazooka when a BB gun will suffice.
And now they will just say that this is a sub were men need to be told not to hit women, because they would not know otherwise.
With some people, you can`t win.
To which I would reply, two posts does not a subreddit make. But when I see two posts in such a short timespan about the same WSHH video, I want to make sure to head off the "groupthink" phenomenon before one of those posts accidentally hits the front page from newbie upvoters.
You think they would acknowledge your reply if it didn't fit their narrative?
If it's only 2 posts why the fuck did you make this PSA? Now you brought more attention to it.
You should have just delete those posts and move on.
Thanks for this mods. This is an on point response I gave on asktrp to the following question just today:
Please. Is this a serious question? TRP guys don't hit women and give them black eyes. Dominance does not mean abuse. Just because I dominate my kids doesn't mean I smack the shit out of them.
Hitting a woman does not make you "Alpha."
TRP teaches stoic, masculine, strength.
If you strike out in anger that is not stoic. Stoic is even tempered, rational and calm.
If you injure a person weaker than you that is not masculine. Masculine men love feminine women and hurting them is pure weakness.
If you lose emotional control so easily that is not strong. Strength is being able to remain calm in the face of emotional trauma.
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I'm fairly certain these were attempts to vilify TRP by posting this kinda bullshit and hoping for supportive replies.
PH investigation proved this may have been the case on one entry, but not the other. Either way, periodic reminders never hurt.
Reminds me of when the FBI sent fake "Muslim extremists" into American mosques to seek out terrorists and sympathizers and all. Imams ended up reporting the fake extremists as extremists to the FBI.
Always tough when the people you want to hate aren't actually evil.
yeah I think anyone posting this shit needs to be banned. Even if they are legitimate users they have missed the point of the sub so far that they are better off not being here.
Banning is pointless, it takes LITERALLY 10 seconds to make a new account and re sub.
It sends a message, and is more likely to correct future behaviour even if someone can just jump on and make a new account
I guess that's true at least for people posting it coz they're retarded and don't know what this sub is about.
But for people who post that shit to make us look bad i don't think it would stop them.
To be fair, if you have a lot of subs to resub, it's a pain in the ass. Let alone all the restrictions on posts from new posters.
And no, I've never been banned from here, but I do make a new username at least one a year, once the old one starts containing too much identifying information or someone who's been on my computer sees it. I don't want to filter my opinion due to feeling non anonymous.
This is why one must have several dozen reddit accounts at once. What was would you do, for example, if you got in an argument with someone regarding jackdaws?
I don't know what a jackdaw is, and anytime I get into an argument on the internet, I feel ashamed for wasting my time on some idiot. So idk how to answer your question. Go live real life I guess?
I dunno man. There are plenty of people at the bottom of these comments (and not-so-bottom of the comments) who are upset with the mods for this post. Some even insisting that violence is a valuable TRP tool and that this is all just PC garbage.
Since when do we care what SRS and others say about us? Remove these posts for the first reason, sure but the second is exactly what the mods here have banged on about for ages. Don't change the message to appease people because it's a path that only leads down.
This right here is how you know if you truly have taken TRP. If you think that beating the shit out of a woman will solve your problems, you're not alpha; you're just an angry beta.
This is beyond beta and alpha, it's just total failure of control. It's unacceptable.
Lol where did the "thuggish nigga" part come from?
Well, the "nigga" part came from the video itself.
You need to say that in the text on this post so that the anti-trp bandwagon material doesn't have more material to say that this place is racist too.
I read it, having never seen the video, and didn't know why you were using that language.
he use'd quotes, it's obviously not his own words. Anyone with half a brain (which most of reddit doesn't have) would understand that.
But this sub isn't for them, and if they wish to use something as easy to defuse as that then let them. It takes not even 3 sentences for them to realize they fucked up.
I must have missed whatever video you're referring to.
Because they deleted it. That is the reason for the mods post I think.
My suspicion is on some troll trying to bait the sub.
Speak for yourself. Lol, kidding. Seriously...beating anyone who hasn't caused you life threatening harm is a serious mismanagement of emotional control; making you one step away from being over beta hybrid hamster.
Im a juicer and I frequently beat my woman. Just throw a couple of beats and other celery into a juicer, throw in some apples and Ginger and you will have a healthy high nutriet juice. I recommend frequent beatings.
As a juicer, how do you feel about beating your meat? I find that whenever I beat my meat, I tend to end up with with a thick, chunky, and viscous mess that's really not all that pleasant to drink.
I can't deny its nutritional value, but I also can't help be repelled by it, like towards cottage cheese, and fage.
I highly recomend beating your meat with a malot or rolling pin to tenderize it. Then rub your meat in a wet marinade or dry rub and let it sit overnight.
I tend to prefer wine-based marinades, particularly a wine flavor with a hint of pine nuts.
On the real though try buttermilk onion garlic lemon zest and pepper as a chicken marinade
Grilled, braised, baked, or microwaved? That actually sounds like a really good chicken marinade.
Recommend basting with gaylubeoil just prior to cooking.
That's OK, the chicken at my supermarket is pumped full of enough hormones already.
Fire us up a grilling thread GLO! Double entendres optional but expected.
if you don't beat your meat, you can't have any pudding
I don't know what the big deal is, Women love the hits. The bigger the hit the better.
If my voice isn't enough for her, I like to dish out the hits on her using my guitar or drum sticks for that lasting effect.
Top 40's mostly; I use whatever is around and has the best beat.
Make sure you woman gets alot of Abuse. Crunches leg raises and set ups are a great way to Use the Abs. A strong core is very important for good posture.
I beat my woman all the time too! At Scrabble, at chess, at dominoes, shit, there's nothing that she can beat me in.
I guess you're not a fan of /r/pussypassdenied
Ha! Its a real sub.
I'll check it out
Is with my balls acceptable?
Something I have noticed is that women, especially feminist women, tend to go back to guys who have abused them. Sean Penn tied Madonna to a chair and beat her for three hours straight. After he broke up with her, Madonna still called him the love of her life. And Madonna is supposed to be a feminist icon.
I bend her over the knee and spank her righteously. We end up fucking after. Dom/sub goes a long way.
My ex-wife cut the brake line in my car and I lost control and hit a w- Volkswagen.
Wow THE brake line?
What about the other ones?
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Dude there is no point in changing our behaviors for the SRS crowd. They've already made up their minds, that entire sub overthrere is preaching to the choir.
Furthermore, how are you going to differential discussions involving hitting Women? Will you ban them if it contains the phrase, will you ban them if they saw a video applauding a Woman getting hit?
If your banning strictly people who advocate hitting as a great solution, then I agree with you, sort of. I don't think ever is a reason to restrict free speech. But if you truly think that by curbing bitter speech will do wonders for TRP's image then I guess I'll have to tolerate it.
I also would like to reiterate how appeasement does not work. It does not matter what the SRS crowd thinks of us. In fact, the shock value people talking about hitting people could incentivize SRS reads to check out TRP. Ya never know.
Stay vigilant mods. We are a target. They will try to undermine the quality of the community we have built here.
A woman's instinct is to fuck your head up, a man's instinct is to fuck your body up. You're not doing any favors by ignoring the nature of the sexes. Not saying it's right or acceptable, but (I think) one of the things RP stands for is not having the luxury of ignoring reality when it's inconvenient or doesn't align with your beliefs.
The fact that modern society is a functional agreement of betas and omegas with actual Alphas either running billion dollar corporations or, for the most part, locked away in prison, doesn't excuse anyone from reality. Thinking we're "above" violence for whatever reason is delusional because no matter how much you hamster, the illusion of peace is and always will be maintained by the threat of violence for breaking social order.
I'm not talking about what sort of fantasies she wants to act out while she's strapped to your bed with a ball gag in her mouth. I'm talking about not dangling low-hanging fruit for the troll brigades to bring us unwanted attention. The signal to noise ratio is getting bad enough as it is.
Since when do "we" (you) care about what troll brigades or unwanted attention is directed at the sub?
Catering to triflers is a quick slope to Political Correctness and the swift end of any meaningful discussion.
Because troll brigades bring more trolls, and more trolls mean more troll accounts, and more troll accounts mean more shitty posts. It's about keeping the signal to noise ratio at a manageable level.
I get what you're saying, but what's the point if the ratio comes at the price of the signal? I understand that mods are up to their neck in downvote brigades, shitposting and troll accounts, but I don't see how restricting discussion is a reasonable way to manage the aforementioned if one's goal is to "keep/expand RP", so to speak.
The GamerGame shit was an exception because getting this sub outright banned would be bad, but this...?
Restricting discussion on criminal behavior that is contrary to the philosophy of this sub AND directly and powerfully attracts hordes of troll brigades and bullshit postings. How is that restriction not a reasonable way to manage? Should we talk about rape techniques along with the bitch slapping discussions? The line is drawn where it must be drawn.
While I will agree hitting YOUR woman means you fail as a man.
However, when a random woman thinks she can walk up to a man and take a swing at him (lets say because he cut her off in the parking lot or whatever) because social convention dictates that men aren't allowed to hit women. Then said self-entitled cunt is owed a knuckle sandwich. I suppose it falls under self-defence, you never start it but you sure as shit finish it.
Does this happen to you a lot? Random women walking up and assaulting you for no reason?
I can't say it's ever happened to me. If it ever does I suppose I'll decide the appropriate level of force with which to retaliate at the time.
Nope but I have to shop at big and tall places so generally women aren't going to start shit. Hell most men aren't going to start shit with me.
That said I can see how short guys (by virtue of a generally lower status) might get such reactions. Just realize that as long as the video shows her starting it and you reply with an appropriate level of force you'll walk out of any courtroom a free man.
i was thinking about this the other day. I'm known from time to time to say and do things that may....land me in a pickle so to speak. Enough of a pickle to get slapped by a girl. What should I do, as a man who has swallowed the redpill, in a situation like that? I probably won't do anything in public cuz there will be 10 white knights to her rescue and kick my ass.
Act like you didn't feel it, and mock her for acting like a child.
fair enough. That's pretty much what I was going to do. It's ironic how women talk about equality and all that jazz but then think that it's ok somehow to slap men.
Technically you should ensure that you are not in the path of the slap, nothing fails harder than a woman who misses entirely.
Alternatively you could intercept her hand (likely by catching her wrist) and make a comment to the effect of 'You know committing assault is not very lady like' and let her go, that's plenty of warning and a compromise between knocking her the fuck out (which is what you should do if she starts throwing punches and kicks as opposed to a slap) and just letting her get away with whatever she wants to do.
fair enough. I'd just want her to actually do the slap so everyone can see that she has lost the argument and has resorted to physical violence. But i guess people will still take her side cuz they'll think i am to blame of course and she is just hurt.
if i grab her wrist, people will think i'm assaulting her now. If i laugh at her, people will think i'm i'm assaulting her by humiliating her in public especially if she starts crying.
You will always be treated as if you are assaulting her even if she's got a knife plunged into your chest. Don't give any free blows to your adversary whether man or woman
This IS self defense. Does it stop them from hurting you again? Then it is self defense. I would punch in the face anyone who punched me in the face first, man or woman. I wouldn't punch a retard or a kid though, but if any adult punches me in the face I swing back. They don't know how I was raised, what kind of shit I have put up with how come they think they can hit me when my own parents can't?
Never would I unless I felt that threatened. I would just rather not surround myself with women that resorted to hitting me. But I would walk away before she even got to the point of wanting to hit me. If she can keep herself in control then the proverbial "next" applies. You shouldn't hit anyone unless it's a last resort. Walk away and laugh, it's never worth the stigma of being a woman beater. Hamsters run like cheetahs when it comes to this. They will do/say anything to be the victim. Weather it's true or not
If a woman slaps me, I'll slap her too
I dunno man, I'm in the kink scene and sometimes girls are all but literally asking to be smacked -- but this is only after it's been vetted as an enjoyable/playful experience for both parties.
tl;dr life ain't black and white
You're missing my point. I don't give a shit if your woman likes being smacked on the ass, gagged with a ball gag, and fucked harder than Stone Cold Steve Austin on steroids. That's all cool. What I'm talking about is Ray Rice'ing a bitch for acting out of character. You're a man. She's a woman, one step barely above "teenager" or "child". We don't beat children with a malicious intent. We discipline, we guide, we instruct, but we don't abuse them. Real men are far and away above the strength of a woman. We do not need to use physical violence to keep them in line. If you do, your frame blows, and your game blows.
Welp, I guess I'm out. It was fun while it lasted guys, but the morality police have arrived.
This is oddly concerning about what other people think of this subreddit. Who gives a shit.
Hitting a woman can be red pill if she's assaulting you. Defending yourself is red piil no matter who the aggressor is. Hitting someone, regardless of gender, because you can't control your shitty emotions is not redpill.
So we're back to censoring ourselves for their benefit? This is the exact type of thought policing that has generated the need for TRP in the first place.
I'm not suggesting that this become /r/smashherface, but the minute we start allowing them to dictate the discussion in here...they've won.
What happens when the women attacks first or is really provoking? Women use such strategies because they know they can get away with it. I agree that beating is bad, but a good slap to a women who deserves it does more good than harm. Think about that youtube video of a black (entitled) women who provoked and hit the dude. She deserved that hard slap. I´ll say it again, i do not believe in beating women.
Same way you would treat an unruly child.
Hold frame. Don't let them control the tone and movement of the interaction.
Restrain them if you have to, hitting is a last resort.
IF she is hitting you, as a legal matter you can use REASONABLE force to defend yourself. You can grab a woman's arms and make her stop hitting you, for example. You can push her down. You can put her in a wrist lock. You can run away. As a last resort you can even grab her shirt and get in her face and threaten to beat her ass if she doesn't quit.
What you CAN'T do is punch her in the face like a "thuggish nigga." That is the law and that is the Red Pill. The dude in the video lucked out. He used exactly the amount of force (and no more) needed to stop an assault from a very fit female. The bitch was COMPLETELY out of control, repeatedly assaulted him, and knocked away his cell phone several times before he slapped her. He missed being charged by a hair. In a similar case Ray Rice thought he lucked out as well when the police didn't charge him, but as it turned out he was wrong.
correction: beating anyone is wrong. woman / man....it's equally bad
Violence takes over where the mind has failed. If you resort to initiating violence towards any other person, you have shown yourself concretely to be the weaker mind.
cheating is a shit test? lying is a shit test? massive disrespect is a shit test? alright OP
If you have to lay a hand on another person because they hurt your feelings you are not a man, you are a child in capable of logic and reason. If a person lies, cheats or otherwise fucks up the relationship walk the fuck away they aren't worth the bullshit or the almost guaranteed jail time if you hit them.
I'm deeply devastated that you don't think of me as a man.
On a purely pragmatic level, beating a woman is phenomenally stupid. It doesn't even matter if you were in the right, both society and the cops will not see it that way.
The surest way to cut off your freedom (and likelihood of finding future gainful employment) is to beat a woman. It's better to swallow your pride and simply remove yourself from the situation before it explodes.
That last line just killed your credibility.
Uh, nobody should be advocating violence against women because it's a bad idea that will land you in jail and make you a social pariah.
But are we going to pretend now that women aren't attracted to violent--even abusive--men now because we don't like the implication?
Because that's not very redpill to deny reality like that.
This smells like more of the "alpha is only positive traits that I personally aspire to" bullshit that's infested the sub lately.
Because they are sad losers without lives that need to take things out of context and use spin artistry to try and attack things they are bigotedly intolerant of. Obviously saying "waaah waaah" makes them seem pathetic and won't get anything done, so instead they have to construct false narratives and strawman the sub to give their hatred an air of legitimacy. I believe we get a fair amount of shills. Just ban people who do shit like this, it's been heard of in the past where SRS subs "infiltrate" a sub and go to some extreme length to be accepted before spouting insanity to make the place look bad, effectively painting a bulls-eye on it. TRP mods probably are forced to be some of the most vigilant on Reddit. Everyone wants to witch hunt us because we shatter their fickle worldviews and put the needs of men before the needs of women. Oh, how unthinkable!
I came into this with an attitude of "remove bullshit but give benefit of the doubt". It's only taken 2 days, and now I'm fucking done with "give benefit of the doubt". Had no idea how brutal you guys have to be. I'm now on board with the ban-hammer.
-FNG
One thing I VEHEMENTLY disagree with within the manosphere is the whole concept of, "If she hits first, then she better expect to get hit back hard."
I just don't agree. You should only hit a woman back ONLY if you literally have no other option. But if she just sucker punches you, there is no need to hit her. Calm your fucking tits. It's like me hitting a 12 year old boy for punching me in the stomach. Sure, I "can" hit him, and if he was 18 I'd hit him back, but the reality is, I don't NEED to hit him to defend myself. I can handle the situation just fine without fighting.
The same is true with women. Are they going crazy? Walk away. Physically restrain her -- whatever.
Honestly, fuck that shit. Women hitting men and then receiving no retaliation physical or otherwise is the main reason its seen as ok, if a few more men defended themselves instead of just "walking away" it wouldn't happen as often as it does.
So you walk away. The next time you see her she does the same. Do you continue to walk away every single time?
Is she fucking hitting you every single time? If she is, you have a much bigger issue here of a chick who thinks it's okay to hit you... For some reason you're a bitch, and are likely surrounding yourself around really shitty people to begin with.
Yeah, sure. But the point still stands; will you walk away every single time a girl hits you?. There's no words that can redress something like that. Walking away is just reinforcing it's ok hitting you; there's no consequences whatsoever, so why should she stop (hitting you or anyone else).
You can cause consequences without hitting her back. There are a huge number of other possibilities. I mean, when a child hits you, you punish them, but you never actually hit them back.
I don't know your situation, but if some bitch hit me i'd walk away. For good. There would be no next time.
I knew a veteran would see eye to eye with me on this. We have a post in the sidebar about "women are the oldest teenagers in the room". How we routinely should treat them like children in order to understand their motivations, help guide their desires, and be the immovable rock that her waves of emotions can crash upon. If she's lashing out at you physically, you should restrain her much the same way you'd restrain an unruly child. I don't care how many people don't like it, I'm holding ground on this issue.
I agree with you. I've only been attacked by a female twice in my adult life, and not once did I feel like physically retaliating. The first, I got slapped, I was drunk, and just yelled at her and told her to get the fuck out and never even think of talking to me again.
The second I just held frame, held her hands down, and told her to go the fuck to bed.
Just don't agree with you from personal experience.
When I grew up my parents would fight, but somehow I always knew that crossing the line into physical violence in the argument between them was unnacceptable.
I later found out that when they moved to the city where I grew up, one day they were in a hardware store and for some reason my mother slapped my father. He turned and faced her, and hit her in the shoulder very hard. She went flying halfway down the isle, landed on her butt, and got up looking embarrassed - and never, ever hit him or tried to hit him again.
Now if you want to argue that you should drop like a radioactive rock any women who tries to be violent against you, but not hit them back unless you have to, I can respect that opinion.
But there is no way you should be in a relationship where she's allowed to be violent against you (or you against her of course).
I've never hit a woman in my entire life. But that is realistically partly because my parents never hit each other either. I had a girlfriend who, long story short, our relationship had reached way past when it should have ended, and she was trying to hit my emotional buttons to get me to hit her. (It shocked me, I didn't even think it was possible for a woman to do that). I didn't hit her though - I left. But had my parents actually been violent towards each other when I was a kid, things might not have gone that way.
I have dated some emotional and passionate women, and have never had violence in any romantic or sexual relationship ever. But sometimes I suspect that was exactly because the women knew that I would never put up with it, so no girl ever went there.
Not a good idea in case she decides to speed dial the cops and show them bruises on her wrists. Because of the severe legal disadvantage a man has vs. a woman, a woman who gets violent should be left immediately.
What if she gets in your face screaming, "I'll fuck all your friends I don't give a fuck!"
Yeah that was a Bill Burr bit.
Bill Burr is definitely red pill material.
Since Nia he's been treading dangerously into BP territory so that's a bit hard to say these days when he discusses marriage. Understandably so, Nia's hot.
His general relationship advice is still solid.
I've been listening to his podcast recently. The 'no more' quote of the NFL commercials in OPs post had me going for a bit.
I have a question for the mods. Have you guys ever noticed any activity on this sub that you thought may be an agent provocateur?
"The only thing you should kock out a woman on is the pussy like fight night"-Migos
This post reads too much like one of those "it's never ok to hit a woman" bs that has become so popular in mainstream. If a woman tries to act tough and hits a man, she should expect to be hit back. Doesn't matter if he "lost frame". Losing frame doesn't give someone else a right to hit you unless you hit them first.
This "it's never ok to hit a woman" campaign is what led to women thinking they are invincible and allowed to go around physically attacking men without consequence. Look at that recent subway attack video that went viral. She even had a whight knight trying to "protect" her when the guy dared to defend himself. Most of the time though, the guy won't even fight back because the women are somehow untouchable. See that video where Jay-Z is being attacked by Solange Knowles. She walked out without even as much as a public condemnation let alone criminal charges. Now imagine if the roles were reversed or if he fought back. And don't even give me the size differential excuse, because no smaller man would get the same pass.
I didn't see the problematic posts in question, but the "never ok to hit a woman" is one of the ultimate pussy pedestals. I'll be disappointed if TRP goes in that direction.
Where are these posts? I want to have a giggle.
But we can still neg, right?
Neg away all you want.
This was a point i made before on a thread about hypergamy and way some guys stop it. Violence is a sign of a broken man.
But we're racists now, much better. The content of this post is practically made irrelevant by this comment, say less.
The girl in the video uses the word "nigga" herself. I just added the word "thuggish". Grow a thicker skin.
I think we should avoid using the word "nigga"/"nigger" here. We've already got bad enough of an image. Plus, some of us are black men. Are you saying you have no problem telling black men to just get over racism? Should black men be okay with white guys calling them "nigga"/"nigger"? Are black men welcome here?
Yet thuggish niggas are quite alpha. Love it or hate it, a man using violence on a woman is not an instant turnoff for the woman in some instances. Most of us may object to violence against women a basic human right, but we must realize that, in the words of Heartiste, that "biomechanics is god".
I simultaneously object to violence against women yet realize that it can be attractive in an alpha frame.
Men have been disciplining their women for thousands of years. Maybe we should stop disciplining our children as well now?
And I guess that means Sean Connery--the very definition of a fucking Alpha--actually SUCKS at game and is a "thuggish nigga" in Scottish disguise.
A man should never "beat the shit" out of his woman or child, but physical discipline should be applied when necessary, just like among men. Some women are so wild and spoiled that they require daily doses of discipline to behave well, others weekly, others still monthly or yearly. But most will require just one healthy dose of discipline or even no dose at all to behave. The simple knowledge that a dose can be administered any time she steps out of line will be enough to deter her from foolishness.
People these days very often forget their place and by demonstrating force (even the smallest amount of force) can very quickly bring them back down to earth and remind them of where they are in nature's hierarchy.
Without discipline your family home will quickly become a small-scale example of a society without a justice system, with all the emotional, irrational and impulsive elements running wild and wreaking havoc.
Of course such a demonstration of force can result in serious legal problems because we live in batshit crazy times, but that's a different topic and one of the main reasons that I'll never marry.
If physically disciplining my woman and child is illegal then society has stripped me of the physical advantage nature CLEARLY wanted me to have.
Take a look at the animal kingdom. Basically only among humans is rape possible and is the male so much stronger than the female. That's nature sending us a clear message. Don't fear nature and don't fuck with nature.
And regarding loss of frame, it's not about WHAT you do but HOW you do it. Mel Gibson lost frame and sounded like broken, mentally unstable betabux with that Russian whore of his. Julius Caesar slapping the shit out of Sevilia or Marc Antony doing the same to Attia (in HBO's Rome) while maintaining complete frame, THAT'S ALPHA.
This place is Blue Pill after all. What can I say... social conditioning is very powerful and the REAL red pill is very hard to swallow for white manginas, even self-professed "TRPers". Keep on doing the monkey dance, as you're nothing but a domesticated animal in a zoo.
It's not okay to hit children either. Don't hit people. Learn some damn self control, you fucking child.
I sincerely agree with this man. We must ask our selves, who told us that hitting a woman is not ok? Our Parents? Society? Our Government Masters who have the monopoly on force? The people that created this rule did so at the benifit of women at the detriment to men. Look how our society has fallen and how the divide between men and women has only grown since the war on men and the illegalization of using your masculine power (physical dominance), which now only leaves the feminine power to control society (Social Manipulation). Women without the fear of a good slap when they step out of line soon run wild like a pack of hyenas scavenging the corpse of a once great civilization.
I have seen so many women step out of line by hitting men in the face, hitting me in the face, lying, manipulating, cheating, stealing, and being 100% total cunts beyond reason or game. MY NATURAL INSTINCT is to slap a bitch. It becomes an urge so strong that it takes every ounce of willpower not to do it.
I'm not saying its ok to beat a woman bloody, but it is ok to instill the fear of God into her. The very real threat of getting the shit slapped out of you generally deters this type of childish behavior typical of spoiled females. I am a man, and I don't have time to play games. God gave me a tool to quickly bring order to my family and It's endorsed by Jesus Christ himself. Women must fear you before they can respect you, weather that be fear of losing you, or fear of being disciplined by a firm hand.
The Holy Spirit says, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ. so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." (Eph. 5:22,24).
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The threat of physical violence is the only thing that glues society together and maintain's social order. If you fail to obey the law, violence will be brought against you. If you think otherwise you are misinformed.
In my household, I am the law, and if anyone gets out of line in my house, man or woman I'll use whatever means I see fit to restore order, society be damned. I refuse to cower down to the standards of others, and live by my own standards of common sense and decency. Good thing for me is that my wife knows her place and has never given me reason to discipline her using force since the first time before we were married. She had the nerve to slap me in the face in front of my friends over some nonsense, which she later apologized for after I smacked her across the face right back in a firm but restrained manner. She talks back from time to time, which is fine and sometimes she is justified in doing so, but when It becomes excessive nagging she knows I won't stand for it and she shuts her yap when I give a stern look. You don't have to hit a woman when she knows damn sure you aren't afraid to.
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I thought this subreddit didn't care about what others thought. Lost my respect. Fucking PC bullshit mods.
Since when is it exclusively PC to be against abuse?
Read the title. It said 'Hitting Women'. 'Hitting Women' is a lot of things. One subcategory of 'Hitting Women' is 'Abuse'. 'Abuse' is bad, but discussing such a broad topic should not be banned.
nigga there's one reason and one reason only and that's because IT'S FUCKED UP. That should be the only reason. Not "you lose your frame". No. It's "you're being evil as fuck don't do that shit".
Nothing is "evil". It's all about appearances. Beating women looks bad for us.
o common... theres plenty of field reports about empowering women enjoy rough plays in bed. its perfectly legit to talk about it.
heck, didn't Salon or 2xc just had an article about being dominated?
That's completely irrelevant. If you can't tell the difference between mutually consented rough sex and physical abuse, you've got some major problems.
What if its between mutually consenting adults? Maybe I maintain so much frame at both work and home that from time to time I like to pay a small Asian woman to stomp on my grapes and call me different racial epithets for African Americans. What's so wrong with the rest of the role play where I break out of my chains and reverse the roles on her? If you have to bring up that I'm white then I think that makes YOU racist.
OPs post is very blue pill. Most women want to be slapped around in their sick fantasies. I can understand not talking about it. But saying its not red pill, you're mistaken
Women fantasies are not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about Ray Rice'ing a bitch because you lost control of her emotional roller coaster.
I don't think violence is ever the answer. As a man or woman, we both have the power to hurt someone really bad. However i have seen friends and personally been in relationships where the woman was so psychotic that she would nag and fight and get physicial the only thing that made her stop was force. Finally seemed to register in her brain and after the fight escslated physically everything was kosher. It was almost like passing a shit test. A few of my girlfriends talk about how their previous bfs hit them and one even asked to be hit, which i didnt and just peaced the fuck out. If anything i think some equivalent of spanking should be okay for bad behavior . It works for children when they misbehave and as we know women are the most 'responsible' teenager more or less probably responsible child. So I'm not convinced violence is not redpill. Dominance, masculine, instinct, i feel like violence is ingrained somewhere in male DNA, does it make it right? Debatable, plus dealing with women.... Sadly we aren't vulcan's and can surpress all emotion. Another thing disregard anything I've said the main point shouldnt be right or wrong, red pill or blue. If you do much as poke a woman with your pinky, you're liable to go to jail no questions asked immediately guilty. Cops will take u to jail even if ur the one beaten because she said you touched her in any way. Stay safe bros
I don't like violence, I think civilized people should use diplomacy. But sometimes a woman needs a good smack on the cheek if she goes way out of line.
Are you quoting that Sean Connery interview?
Do you want to debate why physical violence doesn't work on women or why it doesn't even work on children or animals.
I saw someone post this on the comments,
"This right here is how you know if you truly have taken TRP. If you think that beating the shit out of a woman will solve your problems, you're not alpha; you're just an angry beta."
and I agree whole-heartidly. However, I'm not advocating beating the shit out of a woman (unless she attacks me first), what I'm advocating is, if she goes way out of line, she deserves a good smack. If she says "Fuck you I'm taking your kids from you", I'd give her one. "Fuck you, I've fucked all your friends behind your back", I'd give her one. Etc. And this won't make her run away and hate me, infact, it'll probably do the opposite effect if she's already in love with me.
here is where you don't get it. We are not equal, we do not obey the same social rules or need to respect others equaly. Our size is designed to beat other men, not women. We are designed to raise alphas, you can not raise an alpha with violence, neither direct or indirect.(this doesn't mean that you should shield him from violence, it just can't come from you a unmovable authority figure)
lets forget the social issue, because they should not efffect your relationship or your individual development(they should be taken into account when taking a action, it would be autistic otherwise). It does nothing to encourage the relationship, yes it spikes respect all the way up to fear which makes her seek external leverage and comfort, basically breaking her need for your validation.(I am not talking about emotionally broke women that get wet of of fear)
Now backing up to emotional development, it is pure indulgence, it has not external benefits and like all loss of control it makes you less alpha because it is reactive. Loosing control with a woman, is detrimental to your life in a absolute fashion, and all the benefits you do get are masturbatory and short sighted.
You want to get back at her, you want the childish satisfaction, do it machivelian fashion, be proactive. Seduce her sister and fuck her on the couch right before she comes to pick up her stuff, publish your sex tape(if it's not illegal in your state - again you don't sacrifice yourself for a ego stroke) or to the manliest thing of all: stop giving a shit imediatly, and move on with your life like she was just a bad dream.(not having a impact on your life is the most crushing thing you can do to a woman, she reframed your whole relationship as one massive shit test and you just brushed it off like a champ)
Learn some self control. Lack of self control is beta as fuck.
Wow. Such mad. Let it be a lesson.
Not such mad. Such policy. Lesson indeed.
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Is it acceptable to shake the shit out of them?
If it's not bedroom activities, you shouldn't be getting physical with them. To do so demonstrates that you cannot control yourself.
Of course, once she starts givin' you them bedroom eyes, all bets are off. Choking, throwing her around... it's amazing what they're into.
This isn't some karma circle jerk, no one needs that emote bullshit.
Not to mention, you are simply trying to get some stupid chain going on based off a chris rock performance. gtfo.
Sometimes, when a woman slaps me for something too bold I say but I see that playful sparkle in her eyes, I slap her back. Deliberately lighter than what she did to me obviously, but firm enough for her to see that I am not strangled by social conventions or afraid to take charge. This usualy results in a burst of a makeout, happened to me more than once.
What are you saying? That women want to be abused? Cuz this post is about advocating abusing women.
Or was your comment just entirely irrelevant? Cuz it sounds to me like you're describing playful flirting/foreplay, which has nothing to do with OP.
Yeah but that can be done in public too
How bout keeping your bedroom activities in the bedroom?
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We all have that. It's all about self control.
1st point is valid
who cares about the 2nd point? hold ur frame.