Sup bitches, so I'm an American who for the last two years has been traveling the world (with about four months back home) and obsessing over TRP concepts abroad. I'm a people watcher too, almost the point of it being a hobby as its one of the few things you always can do in public when you don't speak the language, so I'm always peeping how TRP is expressed across the world (spoiler alert: it's universal). Anyways, this privileged perspective has given me some insights that that I think are worth sharing with you gentlemen today. Plainly speaking, out of every country in the world I've been to, the US is by far the most misandrous and sexist of the bunch (followed closely by Germany and the UK). I started noticing this when I would have a plate back in the US after leaving my first harem abroad. I felt a bit like I had been cheated at a used car dealership. With a plate who's just certain that she's a great catch, but somehow doesn't compete with my Vietnamese plate who would insist on doing my laundry immediately after blowing me. Anyways, America being shitty towards men is pretty well known throughout TRP, but I don't see the root cause of it being discussed here often enough. The TL;DR of this is you need to go fucking travel, for an extended time, none of this "two weeks in paradise" bullshit. If you really want to take the Red Pill, get the fuck out of the Matrix for while. This applies even moreso the more butthurt/angry you are (looking at you MGTOW/incels). I can sit here and tell you everything I've seen, but it will never compare to you internalizing it by doing it yourself. It took me about year and half before I really saw how crazy the SMP is back home and that was WITH already being redpilled. Be forewarned that if you do travel extensively, you will probably end up unwilling to even plate western women again, which can be a lifestyle complication for sure. For some related material I highly suggest 15 things I've noticed about American women . I can attest that 15/15 of those points are dead accurate and in the right order of significance (I am not the author). When you're trying to figure out why unconventional social changes are having such a negative impact on your quality of life you *need* to understand those 15 points.
Part 1. Culture shock
When I first got off the plane in Thailand, I noticed something strange right off the bat, Hot girls were nice to me. I'm talking 9s/10s being eerily normal when dealing with me and treating me with human decency instead of trying to interest-shame me without provocation or act terrified of me like I could be some rapist. This was mostly mirrored in every country I would go to. My first thought was, since I'm a foreigner I've just stacked +1.5 onto my SMV, WRONG. Enough people watching showed me that even in cases where some knockout barista is talking with the grossest, most beta, beta, they were always treating them with respect and decency. Something else was going on. The second big thing I noticed about most countries was that Hot girls are everywhere. At any gathering of women under 35, I'm always hard pressed to find a girl under a 6/10. Literally 80% of the aged women are approachable. Sounds like paradise right?
Part 2. Analysis
I started trying to distill down exactly what the differences in typical interactions from back home. The first thing that sticks out with almost all the regular day-to-day interactions with strangers I see abroad, is they are genuinely platonic. At first I noticed how women treated me naturally, but after watching local men I started realizing that they usually behave much differently then men back home as well. Notably, men abroad aren't thirsty. In much of Europe, gorgeous women dressed provocatively get only the most casual of long looks from local men and if a man is at all flustered by a 10/10 it's uncommon enough to get strange looks from people. Theres also a lack of any detectable shame or guilt men express when noticing a pretty woman. At the same time, men abroad still ignore unattractive women, its not so much that no one sees women as sexual objects, its more that high quality gorgeous women are so common, that its not a noteworthy opportunity to meet one. It occurs to me that the longer I've traveled, the more platonic I treat beautiful women and the less reactive I am to them as well. For me specifically, this is a complete 180 from my BP cringey adolescence of barely being able to get a sentence out to a cute girl. Sure enough though, on every trip back to the US, I would instantly be right back to where I started. But when your SMV and general sense of self worth changes so dramatically, so quickly, by merely getting on an airplane, it makes you think twice about why. And herein lies the root cause.
Part 3. Horror
Why is it that seemingly everywhere else in the world I can have platonic discussions with stunningly beautiful women, but at home I get evil eyed by the 6 working at the counter of Starbucks unless I'm intentionally gaming her? Obesity. Consider this.. Anywhere in the world, women are women and men are men. Women in America are so shitty because they're being over valued (ridiculously so) by American men and the reason this happens is because of there are so few women that are not fat in the US. Another hard to swallow pill about that is that ultimately this is our fault as men too, we're the ones giving the constant stream of validation to the few women left who aren't obese. Neither side can change their behaviors, its just a shitty situation. When obesity levels rise, the playbook for women doesn't change that much. She's hypergamous, and looking for someone +1/+2 her SMV, but with less of an emphasis on physical fitness and more of a emphasis on social status in comparison to her current/past mates. Men on the other hand, are selective on physical fitness almost exclusively. What this means is that when a countries obesity rate goes up, the SMV of women as a whole is disproportionately effected. We all already know what this does. When 80% of the men are fighting for 20% of the women we get into exactly the sort of climates that many in TRP are choking on. Sure enough I noticed a pattern in my travels. Universally, the countries with the fewer attractive women are more misandrous. The only other factor I've ever seen to come close to effecting a culture's SMP as dramatically as obesity does, is prostitution, but that's a post for another day.
Part 4. Retribution
After internalizing this, I sort of have a new found sense of pity for my past self and for American men as a whole. Now when I look back on my old life I can see how women in the US really treat men. Abusively. To the point of accepting and even identifying as a SJW now. So many of the interpersonal struggles I used to have with holding frame, eye contact, not being nervous around gorgeous women in general, I now see came from years and years of abusive microaggressions from passingly attractive women I didn't even know, and who didn't know me. I used to bleat relentlessly that "there is no such thing as a platonic relationship between a man and a woman", but what I was really saying was there's no such thing as a platonic acquaintance even between men and women. In the west, I still believe that's true, but NOT EVERYWHERE.
So consider this, you can sit back, and enjoy the decline. OR, you can get outside your comfort zone and see if there's greener pastures somewhere else. I assure you, there is.
https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
So true. Went to europe last year. My mind was blown. I didn't see any women wearing yoga pants but they all had slim, yoga bodies. Come back to America, every woman wore yoga pants and they looked like beluga whales.
You obviously didn't come to the UK then...….
This is always my first thought when I see people talking about how much hotter women in Europe are lol
UK women are utter slags. I think OP was referring to continental Europe in the post.
You know what they say, the cuisine and beauty of the women made the British the best sailors in the world.
Had to go far and wide for them... very, very far, and so, so wide.
UK doesn't count as part of Europe in my mind. Brexit will be a boon to the continent, not England lol. Fuck the UK.
I applaud Brexit as I'm not a fan of the fourth Reich.
I'm from the UK. Definitely fuck the UK. What a joke we are.
I am from germany and have been abroad in the UK this year (All the way from London to Torquay) and holy shit it's like every 2nd girl I see is fucking 200 pounds. And the worst part is that the majority of them seem to have kids aswell! WTF
I was shocked when I was in a nightclub. I thought I had seen it all at the worst red-light districts in germany, but the UK is just on another level. The girls dressed like literal sluts. Skirts so short you could see everything. Acting like degenerates and passing out / puking everywhere.
Don't be a country cuck.
Brits just need to remember their empire days and how much there is to be proud of being part of the UK.
Britain needs to re-find it's backbone and culture.
Neither France. I pity the young men. I ensure my daughters stay slim ! Fat shaming when relevant.
I feel like there are many pretty girls in France though, compared to Switzerland for example. But they are much more feminists..
It went far worse the 3/4 past years.
Never been to Switzerland, what's the feminism there like?
Growing.
A minority of woman are openly feminists and the movement is hugely inflated by the media and some raging feminists active in politics. In June there was a major women strike in the main cities, and a lot of women participated. They were mainly asking for equal pay, and no more sexual harassment. In the end nothing really came out of this, but it still shows the tendency.
The traditional model is still prevalent (SAHM or part-time working wife and husband working, for those who can afford it).
Most of my girl friends want a traditional family, are not feminists and want a man that leads the way. Unfortunately since this speech is ashamed in the media, they don’t admit it in public.
About the attractiveness more specifically, to my point of view, average girls have pretty thin bodies (BMI around 19-22), they do some sports (often running, hiking, yoga or group sports like badminton), did some studies, have a job and are self sufficient.
The « green wave » (ecologist movements) is a major trend amongst young people. For example, my friends (and I) do not buy processed food. It’s becoming trendy to cook, shop organic/vegan food, etc. Being healthy is a major concern, so there are probably less fatties because of this trend.
Most of my girl friends wear heels, nice clothes, some make-up, but I often see boho-ecologists, that are much more natural (in the bad way : no make-up, sarouels, trying to produce zero-waste, etc).
Feminism is growing, divorce rates are higher each year, sexual harassment campains happen regularly in major companies, etc... though it doesn’t look as bad as in the US, it’s still worrying. I really hope we will have the opportunity to reverse the tendency before it’s too late...
I wonder why that is. I once read a theory that all countries colonized by the english are more cucked than the rest of the world(the UK itself, Canada, Australia, US, etc) due to the culture of politeness and gentlemanry that turns men weak and in turn makes women walk all over them and ruins both genders.
I'd love to read more thoughts on this.
Thats because of the Cultral Marxist infiltration, not because Englishman are 'polite' lol
Dead on. Had the same experience. Got back to the states and for a lack of a better word, US girls are slutty
68% of American women wear a size 14 or above. The average woman in Vietnam weighs about 20 kg (~45 pounds) less than the average woman in the United States.
In the U.S., a size 14 is "average". A size 14 is a 5/10.
This really fucks things up in the U.S., because that means that if you're looking across the bar at a chunky size 10-12 woman (160-180 pounds or so, depending on height), as long as her boobs are big enough to stick out past her belly, that woman is above average. She's a 6/10 in US standards. You see girls like that with fit boyfriends and husbands -all- the time.
A plain-faced, flat-chested brunette with mousy hair and decent skin that makes your brain think "average" is automatically vaulted to a 7 or 8 simply for not being fat. You see girls like that going home with hot guys at the bar -all- the time, and you might think "Look at that average girl punching above her weight with hot guys while she ignores her equals!" But in reality, she's way above average when it comes to U.S. girls.
Fat fucks shit up. Fat women are also terrible to get along with. They're self-conscious about their bodies, so they don't like to fuck as much. They get physically exhausted from sex more easily. Their fat bodies make sex mechanically difficult by getting in the way. Really fat women have rolls around their thighs and vagina that prevent the penis from getting as deep inside, so sex literally doesn't feel as good and is less enjoyable for fat women. That's why fat girls liking it from behind from big-dicked black guys became a trope. They need a bigger dick and the deeper angle from behind for sex to even feel good.
Fat fucks shit up.
It blows my mind that today, where women are handled with kid gloves and life is easy mode compared to men, when it comes to personal development they have one fucking job-- don't get fat. But apparently that is too much to handle. Fucking clown world
This is why I think it's better to be a women. To be in the top 5% of women is ridiculously easy compared to top 5% of men. Just going to the gym and a boob job is over 50% of the work needed.
Would you prefer to have to work hard to break into the top 5%, or bleed from your cunt every month and have to suck guys' dicks?
Being a man is awesome.
You missed the MAIN reason: not being hopelessly at the whim of your emotions.
Yup and you still can suck dick.
My bi friend once told that men suck dick better. Anyone experienced dares to comment?
can confirm it's 1000x better from a guy. (source: I've been sucked off by dozens of women and about a dozen guys)
You and millions of men, that's why there's a trans epidemy. But you are wrong. It's not better to be a women. They have it way worse than us. After 30 they basically dissapear from mens radar and their value goes to zero.
Why exactly? There are many women over 30 who are smoking hot.
As a man you just need to know how to dress for your body type and get a stylish haircut to look attractive. The standard is different. Fitting beauty standards as a woman is way more work. Girls take hours to get ready before a night out.
Again, as a guy your results are your responsibility. It's your job to make Dick-in-Pussy happen. You don't have the luxury of being a loser and expecting good results. If you want a quality life with quality friends and quality women, don't delude yourself into thinking you have any chance of achieving that without behaving in high quality ways every day.
Men take much longer time in the gym to become attractive than women. Hell I bet not even 10% of the gym's membership is women, pointing to how easy it is to beat your competition when they don't even show up to the race.
You don't need to be that fit as a guy. Girls care more about your face than your body almost universally. Don't disregard your body, but don't make excuses either. Your behavior is what she is ultimately attracted to.
Sure, passably attractive, in the sense of being above the average.
But if you want to be in the "hot" percentile you've gotta do a lot more work than just getting new clothes and a haircut.
Putting in more effort than necessary is not going to produce an equal increase in results. Looks are not THAT important. The girl ultimately cares about how she feels with you and how other men and women percieve you, which comes down to behavior.
Many celebrities are average looking guys who get laid from status. You can be in some shitty local band and reap the local pussy much faster than you can get ripped. You can be a club promoter with some style and a fukkboi cut and get more access to girls and fake status, producing more lays, than the protein bro who devotes his time to bodybuilding or the rich dude who devotes his time to growing his business.
Once you have enough, you should balance other areas where you are lacking. "Hot" is an attitude.
Bs, if ur face is ugly u cant do nothing about it, maybe surgeries. Getting buff wont help u either if ur ugly.
it's ridiculously easy for women to attract/get men, but it's very hard for them to be reasonable enough humans to KEEP the man around.
their emotions run them in a death spiral of indecision, doubt, and confusion. in short, they never know WTF they want.
It is inherent female nature to be deeply insecure and anxious. Ancient chinese philosophers knew this well. Man provides stability and safety to balance her unpredictable and scattered energy.
partly true. If you are a woman with a busted face no amount of squats and dieting will save you.
If you're a woman with a cute face then you dont even need to work out. You just need to not be fat to have a high smv
But if ur a dude with a busted face, roids will save u? I disagree.
Much more than a woman. A jacked guy will always be good looking for the most part unless the face is bottom tier
Height is the males limitation
I wouldn't be anything other than a white man. I love the way my brain works.
Don’t have any data to back this up, but here’s an observation:
I go to a busy gym in a large city. The ratio of fit men to fit women is like 20:1. Obviously other active/fitness pursuits like yoga are probably skewed heavily female—and overall the data doesn’t show that more women are overweight than men—but if we’re talking about top percentiles in the dating pool, I’d wager that there are more super fit men than women.
That’s not the point though. The point is about sexual incentives for fitness, which I would argue skews higher for men and lower for women.
Women are choosy and tend to overvalue their attractiveness due to attention (social media, etc), because there are always always men who will supplicate themselves to even the most homely-looking girls, showering them with validation. How many girls are hitting up average-looking guys on a daily basis? How many compliments does an average guy get from a women? Like one or two per month? Check out even a slightly-above-average girl’s texts/social media DMs sometime and you will be astonished at the amount of thirsty, available dudes.
When you have a well of options, a little belly fat doesn’t mean anything. A dessert, a brewery visit, a cheat meal, a couple extra pounds—doesn’t mean anything. There will still be thirsty dudes. There are above-average guys fucking fat girls, but there are very few above-average girls fucking fat guys.
Guys on the other hand are in a competitive marketplace where the top 10-20% of men are getting all of the action. That leaves the bottom 80% desperate and thirsty, so they’re stuck scrounging for crumbs. They’ll go for anyone who gives them the time of day.
This is also contrary to what the “dad bod” fad would have you believe. There are of course exceptions to the rule: a few alpha male fat guys with unshakeable frame can still get after it—but most girls want abs. “Dad bod” is a shit test invented to lock down hot, alpha guys and then attempt to diminish their options and market value through flattery and complacency. It’s just a way for women to eliminate competition for a highly-desirable man once they have him.
Beware of the “dad bod” creep, because it will backfire after a certain point: she will have successfully eliminated your other options, but she will have also eliminated her attraction for you. If you’re an average, dad-bod guy, ask yourself how much pussy it’s scored you lately. If you’ve either been fit and let yourself go, or been average and gotten fitter, you will know that “dad bod” is a scam.
Exact same way for me. I go to the flagship LA Fitness in my large city and it is absolutely staggering how many more objectively attractive men there are than women. It's disturbing when you realize the competition required to attract a comparable female.
I went to north England once for 2.5 months and I noticed how males are way more attractive than women. I am from Hungary. Here men are women are equal in terms of attractiveness.
if you are getting one or two compliments a month from women you are attractive, not average
Correct, I was like wtf to that as well.
The average guy gets zero compliments a month from women. Heck, even guys who work out religiously rarely ever get compliments from women.
Can confirm, as I'm in very good physical shape. I receive far more compliments for the charitable work I do than for the shape I'm in (I still receive compliments in that regard but very seldom).
Pornhub Community disagrees with you.
Literally prostitutes getting paid exorbitant amounts for access to their holes. You’re hardly disproving his argument.
Hmm can you prove that for a majority of users or is that just another assumption, because Pornhub Community is mostly couples.
I meant the Porn stars. I don't know precisely what the breakdown of the sub components of the website is.
What do you mean by this?
Check real amateurs on pornhub. Many guys have lower SMV looks wise but I'd imagine their game is on point.
Tried to find some data for you:
According to this study, the percentage of overweight (BMI >20) men in the US has stayed around 70%, while overweight women has "creeped" from 57% to just under 60%. Then you have this study, which focuses on obesity (BMI>30) men are at 37.9% while obese women are at 41.1%. Last I present the CDC, which seems to find that men and women are obese at the same rate, but a larger percent of men are overweight (40% vs 30%).
Don't we kind of expect that? If women are hypersexualized and oogled by BPs, then there is no incentive for them for them to workout. They put on make up and shapewear in order to hide imperfections, and all of this is considered socially acceptable if not mandatory for women (they love judging when other women haven't put their make up on). Men do not have as many options (at least Western). We don't wear make up, and there are no products that make you look less fat (at least none that I know of). Notice how for women, there is a quick fix where there is no (apparent) quick fix for men. Therefore, men are more likely to be working out or at least going to the gym. Now one could argue stigmas and other crap, but at the end of the day, the woman does not have the same incentive as a man to keep in shape.
According to CDC, BMI>25 is overweight, not above 20.
Not that it matters that much as BMI has huge number of false positives - a guy that has a bit of muscle will usually be flagged as overweight as well.
Guys can be top 20% and not be fit. Good face, charisma, status, and money can go a long way.
That said there is no excuse to not take fitness seriously and spot on about the dad bod. If you're in a relationship you might have to cede some territory. Im not making my gf eat rice and chicken for dinner every meal while i was fine doing that single. But I still hit the gym hard and opt for physical activities instead of netflix and ice cream.
Pornhub Community disagrees with you.
my dad gave my sisters some good advice when they were young: "you'll be happy long term with your man as long as you don't... talk to much, complain too much, or eat your way out of the relationship."
but honestly, women live in a different world altogether. for example, they can't even live with their true shoe size in inches like men... in reality. for women, her foot could be 8 inches, and she'll need a size 6 or whatever the fuck.
who are you fooling?
I am a black man and I disagree.
We do not want these fat females.
I'm also black and am repulsed by fat women of any race, but come on . . . most black men (at least in the US) love big women, especially if they're white. You and I might think it's gross, but that doesn't change reality.
Them niggas the type to justify that shit and lowkey wish they weren't with fatties.
They settled, we do not!
I always assumed the whole "we like girls with giant cottage cheese asses" was just them trying to make the best of a selection of women who've been decimated by cheap bodega junkfood
Niggas be smashing 90% thigh cheese and say "yeh...still got that nut"
This is 100% accurate. They are not helping other men with these horrible standards...
You can't speak for everyone. I had a black friend who preferred 'thicker' women and a white friend who preferred anorexic asians. I generally prefer physically fit women but everyone has their preferences, and it isn't always across racial lines.
Black guys fucking fat white women is a stereotype though, though I'm a bit too young to remember what started it.
Nah. We don't want a female who lacks regard of self confidence and preservation.
We as in you and I totally agree. However neither one of us is qualified to act as a spokesperson for our entire race.
I mean, if you pay attention in real life, it's very much a reality...
Stopped reading at "I had a black friend"
It's disgusting. As far as I'm concerned the fat ones are invisible.
Except when they take up all of your fov dud to size
wrong about the fat chick black dick part.
White women have higher SMV than black women in the black community. That's why they go for them, but they usually struggle with hot white women so default to fat ones
uh... no they don't. FINE curvy women have the highest smv in the black man's world... race doesn't matter to most.
a skinny, pancake flat ass or fat white woman doesn't automatically have a higher smv over a black woman.
and blk men might struggle getting white women but those women will often fuck them. go to ANY college campus for examples.
curves matter to blk men. they don't typically date women who are built like 12 yo boys.
Black men only have success with high tier white women if they are athletes, never seen any other way
go outside. you'll see it everyday if you don't live in bumfuck nowhere.
esp at ANY university.
Been out of school for 5 years but certainly didn’t see it then
Fine
curvyfat women have the highest smv in the black man's world...Fixed that for you.
average woman's dress size in America is a 14.
i don't speak for blk men. I'm sure they have individual tastes.
Correct, and if you ask any fit person, they will agree that is most definitely overweight.
thats why i only date 90 pound asian girls
Seriously? You're analysing the sex life of fat women? Why do you even care how much or in what positions whales want to fuck?! Men in America really are desperate...
As a Canadian who recently moved to Ukraine, I second your observation. This was also one of the first things I noticed in Kiev, and it changed my whole perspective on life.
I lived in Toronto my whole life, and here's a good example: if there's a hot girl on the subway, you can feel the glances in her direction from all over the train. The greed, the desperation, and the lust just fouls the air when a pretty girl walks in. Contrast that with Kiev, where I have almost never seen creepy behaviour on the subway. Men and women treat each other like completely normal humans, and it's a shocking relief to me, as a Westerner.
Unfortunately, downtown Kiev is starting to change, due to the slow influx of men from foreign countries who come to Ukraine only for the women. However the suburbs are still heaven. Which is why I think the root cause is less to do with obesity, and more to do with competition on the sexual marketplace, as well as non-European immigrant cultures' view of white women.
I live in Spain but I am from argentina. We're considered the clever ones, along with the italians. When I went to Kiev one thing striked me: majority of men are fugly, majority of women were increible beautiful. I saw couples of the street (ugly man with beautiful woman) and they weren't the stereotypical russian couple that we read on the internet: man wealthy and woman an obsesive materialistics bitch. On the contrary, normal couples like in any part of the world.
What I understood is something simple: in all countries of the world, sex is transactional. But in richer countries, woman is careless and in countries like kiev, where people on average is not rich and salaries goes around 600€ month, sex is ultra transational. This means, women care their bodies because it's the only way to get the best man, always, they do anything at their disposal to get it right. Same when I went to Bucarest. I went to the pool in a nice club outside the city. When I arrived the place, all women started slowly to sit around me. They were so funny on their display to me, all of them where artificial boobs, posing. It's their game. They knew i was foreigner. They even come to ask you for lighter.
When you go to a place where people is rich, women act differently: they go single moms, they don't care their bodies since, it's not important to get men anymore until is late or they realize they happened to be with a car more than with a real man.
porteño? de dónde vives en España?
Y las españolas qué tal están? Tengo amigos en España y según me dicen el feminismo ya arruino a las mujeres por allá
no lo sé. no soy de españa. hablo un poco de español porque lo estoy aprendiendo ahora mismo. estaré visitando allí pronto
Soy un gringo pero tuve clases en colegio y me gusta que puedo a comprender este conversación. Todos las mujeres son como que.
Como estoy?
Está arruinándose como en USA.
I've heard great things about Ukraine, Kiev in particular, is there as high a percentage of very hot women as people claim?
Currently saving for a trip someplace known for beautiful women (devoid of a western attitude) and trying to decide between Bucharest (Romania) and Kiev
Check HIV ratio in Ukraine. Still need to be carefull
It's an interesting theory, but I think obesity is a symptom rather than a disease.
The disease is rather the abundance and comfort that western society offers. There's jobs, welfare, education, food(obesity) and shelter available in abundance. It's available even to those devoid of a male head of house. This drives the necessity and price of men down.
In a more scarce society, men are required to protect and provide for their families, without them surviving is simply not possible. This drives the price of men up, they have value to them.
A byproduct of abundance is excessive consumerism which ultimately leads to problems such as high obesity rates.
I think this is true, in places where its more difficult to live (especially for an unmasculinized woman) men are certainly more sought after and appreciated.
However, if that same place were to have an obesity problem, i'm guessing the same dynamic would come into play as the men would still not have an incentive to support an unfit woman. I don't recall ever being somewhere that is both difficult to survive at and had a lot of obese women.. Maybe Alaska? Even in the US where its not particularly difficult for a woman to survive by herself you see this in the sense that attractive women will be misandrous, while very unattractive women will be more appreciative and friendly to all men (although typically still with an inflated ego).
I can think of some examples (Portugal, Greece) where the women treat men very normally. While the pay there for a single woman might not be stellar, she's hardly starving to death (literally) without a man.
I have to agree with you here as well as all of the places I see obesity being an issue inevitably have a diet with more processed/commercially prepared food in them (exacerbated by feminism demonizing women cooking, and western women being unable/unwilling to cook). The causality of everything can always be traced further back though. I don't see a necessity in throwing the baby (consumerism) out with the bath water (obesity) as just getting rid of obesity would resolve the problem. Maybe obesity is an unavoidable byproduct of consumerism though. That's food for thought.
Yeah that’s pretty much the link I’m going for.
Good system->abundance->consumerism->obesity.
The pendulum always sways though. Abundance breeds complacency, laziness and weakness. Weakness and complacency leads to a bad system. A bad system leads to lack of abundance. A lack of abundance leads to strength and resilience. Strength and resiliance leads to a good system. A good system leads to abundance. And so the cycle repeats.
I think we’re somewhere in the abundance phase, creating a lot of weakness and complacency.
You say that but Japan was one of the lowest countries for obesity in the study and I would say they’re also a relatively consumer centric country.
American women have the worst fashion sense in the world.
I cannot believe how many obese chicks wear yoga pants out in public. A giant fucking sign blaring "YEAH! I am a hippoglatamus and I just do not give one flying fuck about it! Now get the fuck away from my ice cream!!"
About a month ago I was at my favorite bar and the bartender was ~30, ~250 lbs and had some shirt on (I don’t know women’s fashion) that didn’t cover her stomach.
It was hard to not stare. She had a massive gut and somehow decided to wear that outfit thinking she was sexy.
They know. They're just trying to believe.
5' 4", Pink tight sweats/yoga pants. Slogan: "I'm trying to thrive!".
I didn't even have to travel far to come to this realization. Montreal. I guess it's just European enough to notice these kinds of things. But holy shit was every single woman gorgeous. All petite, in good shape, dressed very well, and generally looking like they take great care of themselves. On top of it all, they're nice as hell and pretty down to earth. I spoke to so many girls that wouldn't look at me twice over here.
Dudes in America, on average, are super fat as well, which is why the easiest thing you can do to up your game in America is to simply get fit. For most of you, it should take a year at most. There's nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I've been living in Eastern Europe now since 2010, and I can definitely confirm a lot of what OP is saying. The dynamic between men and women is remarkably different.
But I've also noticed that men have no hesitstion in chatting up girls, regardless of her reaction. They DGAF about rejection, they just go for it. I have been astounded watching guys simply not take no for an answer, and looked on in amazement as I saw a girl whom I thought was being bothered by some thick skulled Chad turn from one word answers to reluctant smirks, kino, and straight up wanting the guy. Dudes out here by and large just DGAF. She rejects? Whatever. Move on to the next one. She accepts? All right all right all right.
Anyhow I have learned a lot about women being out here and abroad for so long, and I don't even want to look at American girls ever again. They're just not worth the yoga pants they are so defiantly oozing out of. Gogurt.
"curvy"
Plus the super feminist bullshit is preaching to women that being fit is a patriarchal idea. That doing anything for a man's pleasure is a weakness.
But then again...plenty of dudes that will fuck fat chicks...so there's that. Not this guy. I was married to what was an attractive woman. I got fit, she got fat. I gave her a year to put in some effort and she didn't. I bailed...no kids or anything like that.
I'll never fuck a fat chick again...doesn't leave a whole lot of options these days though...lol
What's amazing is that the sheer number of people who are overweight, has caused completely skewed perceptions among average people.
I was caught up in a discussion the other day with some people about body fat percentages and "normal" weight.
One of them starts talking about this young woman, probably about 20 - 25% bodyfat and said she was "skinny". This then morphed into a little debate over whether she was normal or skinny.
I tried to explain that 20 - 25% bodyfat for a woman is what is considered normal and healthy. They wouldn't believe it. They thought that 30 - 35% was normal and healthy.
Their reasoning was, it couldn't possibly be a normal body fat percentage, because it would take "work" to reach that level of body fat and most "normal" people don't look like that.
Gave up after that, wasn't worth the hassle. But it just blew my mind that there's so many fat and lazy people in our society, that the definition of normal has now shifted to fat.
I hate average dudes fucking fat girls. I told my male friends to stop doing it, if fat girls keep getting fucked they will think they deserve that.
Yeah and always be aware of a woman that loses weight to attract a male. My ex was like this and seen many others. After the commitment is there...all bets are off.
I dated a women who was hot, super fit, was careful about what she ate, and worked out like a fiend. I was considering a LTR with her until I saw pics of what she looked like a few years before I met her. She had been the poster girl for the word landwhale. She had not just been fat, she had been sloppy fat.
Though how she had transformed her body was impressive and almost miraculous, the instant I saw those pics, I mentally demoted her to plate status. A woman who was a landwhale once would become a landwhale again.
We broke up and she dated and got engaged to someone else. I ran across her a few days before her wedding. She was at least 60 pounds heavier than when I had dated her. I almost didn't recognize her. I shudder to think how many more pounds she probably packed on post-marriage and post-kids.
Yeah...I don't know what the percentages are, but it is rare that a person loses 20%+ of their body weight and stays there.
I don't, but yet I do, have a lot of room to talk. I "bulked" up to 240 lbs (I am 5'10'') but lost 60 lbs in about a year and have stayed there or near there for the past 4 or 5 years. Hence why I have little sympathy for fat people who say they can't lose weight or say "keeping it off is the hard part". Fuck excuses.
is there a term for that inverse butterfly transformation?
That’s harsh no? She made efforts to become hotter, and you punish her because she has not always been like that? It’s like a woman discovered you used to be a cringy blue-pilled boy, and leave you even though you’re now a strong alpha male... to me it feels not right.
You could have only warned her that you would leave her in case she got fat again, but preventive punishment seems counterproductive.
Even though you were eventually right...
Bruh, that's what I keep finding on the Tinder scene. This chick used pics from when she did spin class a year ago or just face shots, which made her look relatively in shape. Meet up for the date: a baby beluga. I'm not gonna say full beluga cus she wasn't "fat", but she stated she was "curvy". I mean, she was barely fitting in the dress.
This whole fat acceptance and feminist rhetoric about loving your body regardless is sexual attraction cancer.
They can love their body all they want...doesn't mean I am going to.
Of course if you mention that...here come the shaming tactics. "Oh, just because I don't look like blahty fucking blah..."
Yes...that's exactly why.
Sorry about your experience dude. Was it a tinder date or tinder hookup?
Curvy = Fat
The sooner people realize this is womens perception, the better.
it's never been easier to be a top 20% male in America. Not only are men fatter but most dress like shit. Seriously go to a bar and see how many people are wearing nice jeans or shorts and a well fitted shirt.
What you will usually see are cargo shorts, baggy shirts, graphic T's, sports jerseys, sweat pants, tennis shoes, athletic shorts, etc.
Same with hobbies. If you spend time doing something outside or productive instead of internet, gaming, netflix you are separating yourself
Fuck i need to go to us then, here the competition is sick. Like im 3" shorter than avg everybody lifts (i mean i do to) and they are productive af. Not kidding competition is sick.
Competition here is literal trash. Get a decent amount of fit people who lift in college / high school. But if you’re in shape as a guy at 25+ and a head of hair then you are probably already top 20% and have a good pick of women
I did a tinder experiment. I set my location to texas, dont remember the city though. I put my most beta photos and got a fuckton matches with some hotties and a some phatties (but they were hitting on me and were receptive af). Here i got dat many matches in a few months dat i did in us in just 2h!! Idk what to think of dat tho..
Jeans is barely acceptable in some settings and shorts is comparable to sweatpants....
Bare in mind the ''nice guy'' attitude is also zero fucks given and taken :D
Eastern Europe you need money, muscles and аpproach and you get easy 9/10s. The gene for women is they are pretty up to their early 40s and after that is either jackpot and they remain over 7 up to 65 or you get baba yaga (john wick ftw).
Eastern European women usually age like milk. Now East Asian women age like a fine cask of scotch. I had sex with a girl in Japan, and never realized she was 46 years old until I asked when her birthday was. Shit is crazy yo, I could swear she looked like mid 20s. The most non-milfy milf that I ever fucked. She probably had children my age...
Just got back from Colombia. Majority of females have flat stomachs. The older lady cleaning the street, the cashier, the waitress would all be considered stunning in the US.
how was Colombia? I'm planning on going there in the near future. i travel solo, should i avoid certain areas? i know Colombian women are super obsessed with their looks which is good.
I had an amazing time and I can talk about it all day.
I didn’t feel unsafe at any point. Only had 1 kid obviously try to pick my pocket. He grabbed my phone, I grabbed him and he just handed it back and left. There are some unsafe areas, same as miami, NY ect. You shouldn’t find yourself in any of those areas. Taxis are good about that.
I stayed in Medellin. In El Pablado there is a tiny bit of English. Outside areas, almost no English.
The thing I found most interesting is that you can’t really go out at night and find a normal girl. Girls go out with guys in groups at night. Not many single women out partying. If they are, they are probabaly putas.
The women are friendly and will give you their number. But aren’t always so responsive after. Tinder and Colombian Cupid have a lot of putas. I found a girl who was a waitress and just spent tons of time with her. Take them for manicure/pedicure/hair, food. That stuff is cheap. Clothes, soap, shampoo are all same price as US.
If you want more details, let me know. I did some prostitution stuff and ate at restaurants.
That place is paradise, isn't it? Gotta have decent Spanish so you can travel out to the barrios for more fun. It's crazy how many sexy women there are in the some of the sketchiest places.
It really is paradise. I’m looking to find a remote job to live out there for a little while. Your level of fun increases with your level of Spanish for sure.
This is awesome man. I'm looking to take a trip to Medellin next year for a couple weeks. After I brush up on my Spanish.
I always hear about the incredibly flaky nature of Colombian women from men who travel there lol.
I completely agree with this post. Also foreign women tend to be sweet and genuinely nice to almost everyone, and make an effort to dress feminine.
I just looked up the average weight of a male and female by country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight
The average adult female in the US is 168lbs. Is that a joke? I weigh less than the average American female and I'm a male (I'll weigh more at some point because I'm lifting and bulking up).
And for men it's just as much of a joke as well - 195lbs is the average weight. Wtf are you all eating in the USA to be so fat?
Corn syrup, aka sugar, heavily subsidized and loaded into everything
Yup. Went into some new "health food" store... and they had bacon "without sugar". Huh? Why the fuck would they ever put sugar into bacon? I had no idea. Tried the "no sugar" bacon - and it was great! No more "regular' (sugar added) bacon for me, ever.
Sugar is used to cure bacon. Smoked is better than cured anyway.
Available 24 hours a day, affordably, everywhere, in convenient packaging.
Goyfeed
The average american gets over 20% of his calories from soybean and other vegetable oil, which is the food equivalent of rocket fuel.
testosterone killers
Interesting. Does this mean fish oil is no good, too?
It almost certainly has more downsides than upsides. Fairly sure it's a successfully marketed waste product. The only people really taking it are generally health conscious so it's not obviously linked to higher mortality or sickness. Typically polyunsaturated oils go rancid fast and they dump lots of free radicals into your system. Not so bad with whole fish because fish are chock full of antioxidants, but as a stand alone supplement you don't get that balancing act.
how would you recommend we get omega-3s?
This is insane. I wouldn't have believed it if you hadn't sourced it. I'm fucking 6'3" and tip 180 on a full stomach. And for fuck sake, this was done by observed measurement between 5 and 8 years ago. Not like it's gotten any better since then.
Excess carbohydrates from corn and soy.
Canada is also a part of this group too, I know several guys who have a ton of weight but below 20% body fat, I'm at like 18 percent and sitting at 197lbs. My body type is fairly common in central West Canada, AB and SK have alot of really stocky Ukranian and Highlander blood. I cut down to 185 when I end up with abs.
Yeah the male figure is going to include guys who work out and have a lot of muscle. Almost no female has any significant muscle mass, so their figure is more accurate of just being plain fat.
Just found I weigh as much as the average woman.
...Damn.
Just found out I weigh considerably less than the average woman.
...absolutely disgusting.
I've always thought this way after I learned about red pill concepts. The sexual marketplace is incredibly misaligned in the United States.
I posted in AskReddit why American women are so damn fat and it was nothing but deflection. They all found some way to point it back at men, women from somewhere else, or how they're at least not the fattest in the world. They really have no collective interest in self improvement through physical work.
Physical fucking effort is, for most American women, viewed as unfair punishment levied on them by the social expectations created by men. They're told things like "he wants you to look like a porn star" or "he should live you for who you are."
It's all bullshit, but they eat it up.
Collective solipsism. Defending of the herd, if you will.
Because if Shithead Sheryl doesn't have to take any responsibility, then I don't have too either.
The ONLY reason they get defensive.
Good point but, This isn’t MGTOW. Tone down the emotion.
This is a serious issue that absolutely warrants emotion from aggrivated men. Zero need to tone anything down.
exactly. being fit equals bowing to the patriarchy and they all know how "toxic" is the said patriarchy. so for them it's not laziness and narcissism, it's a form of protest against oppression.
And yet they wonder why men dont want them...
And yet they wonder why self-respecting men don't want them...
There are plenty of weak men out there (the majority I'd argue), who worship these women. It's a real issue...
It's getting even worse as feminism in America has gone beyond celebrating and glorifying obesity to calling things that are basic hygiene for women like shaving their legs and armpits misogynistic and patriarchal. I wonder how long until bathing and soap are also considered "tools of the patriarchy" by these lunatics as well. It's gotten to the point where anybody who has any standards for female appearance and behavior is a "misogynist" or a "chauvinist" while men are still expected be fit, clean, and wealthy if they want one of these hairy hambeasts to give them the time of day. MGTOW is going to look more and more attractive for many men as the number of women who actually take care of themselves plummets.
Wait, US feminists still shower?
Immigration to the U.S., both legal and illegal, is primarily male. There is simply a surplus of guys from all over the world. Not just a few guys, tens of millions of guys.
In contrast, any place where men are emigrating from (e.g. Eastern Europe) has a balance between the male and female population. The culture is dramatically different.
The underlying cause for female obesity in the U.S. is a lack of female competition. Women can overeat and still get resources and male attention.
For a guy the obvious solution is to simply move, as the OP suggests.
Were it actually "simple", pal.
Here's the thing about being an American, you're blessed in the sense that the US dollar exchanges VERY, VERY, favorably.. That bottle of coke that costs $1.89 at the gas station? It costs $0.30 in Vietnam, for the same coke. Rent for a furnished studio apartment (that has a maid service when you want it)? $150usd/mo.
You can easily live in a lot of places with high quality of life for $1000/mo. Now depending on your situation maybe its not that easy to save up $6000, but that's not some impossible feat for a lot of people, I personally know dozens of people with medium/low income jobs who have saved up $6k to take 6 months off. For an american who's not in debt, not in jail, it is bordering on "simple" to do. The question comes down to your level of motivation to do it. And it takes balls.
I don't even have a college degree, if you do you can essentially live ANYWHERE as an english as a second language teacher. You'll probably be low income wherever you end up, but it's still enough to do it.
Here's the thing about being an American: You're assuming I'm American. ;)
The thing is, I value really digging into a culture and not this "Little America, Everywhere" people seem to think exists where everyone speaks English. That means learning the language, and I at least want to get a bit conversational in the main ones before I travel. Now, assuming I don't get into the service I would be doing what you said (saving up). However, if I play my cards right and build the right connections, I'll be able to travel both in and out of the service while building myself a nice little nest egg.
OP never assumed you were American? Read his comment properly before replying. He was talking (in general) about American men moving to other countries.
And yes, it is quite "simple" to just move. It doesn't even have to be permanent as the OP rightly discussed.
It seems that every time I am in Colombia I meet more and more western men who are doing the split/part-time living situation between a foreign country and their home country. Some men are spending months at a time in more dating-favorable countries and then going to back to their native countries to make money and repeat the cycle.
Yes he did. He even admitted it. Are you retarded?
Uh, no it isn't "simple" at all. Unless you're delusional. In which case, sure, it is. And I have a waterfront property in the Congo to sell ya! ;)
Ahh, sorry about that, I did assume you were American or from the UK just from reddit's demographic, that's who the post is aimed at.
Fucking tell me more. I get 3k USD a month for life. I want internet, apt, and maid service. What are my options for living like a king? I'm mid 30.
Just start checking out lists for highest quality of life to lowest cost of living online. For 1k a month you can expect a nice furnished 1 bedroom apartment and eating out 3 times a day in plenty of places in SEA.. personally I'm most interested in checking out Argentina. They have a currency crisis ATM and if things aren't getting violent like they are in Venezuela I expect insanely cheap cost of living. Not to mention the SMV boost you'd probably get being conspicuously wealthy in a crisis like that.
Out of all the places I have lived Brazil was the one where women treated men the best. Brazil of course is not one of the world's places with the lowest obesity rates. So the correlation is more complex than higher female obesity - higher misandry.
My guess is a common cause situation. In Brazil women who are overweight are mostly so from very poor communities and are unable to afford good nutrition and do not exercise due to the malaise of poverty. In the United States women who are overweight are often so due to narcissistic gluttony and have a "the more me the better" perspective.
Would love to see how extreme the difference in obesity rates by country are if you only count women NOT living in poverty.
I haven't checked out Brazil yet, but I will and specifically look out for that. Thanks for the tip.
Being poor has little to do with being overweight. It costs nothing to eat less. Even with an unhealthy diet the main factor in weight gain is too many calories.
Correct. Bodybuilders have conducted experiments where they cover their macros eating only McDonalds for a full month, with excellent results. Fat people are fat because they eat far more than they require to function, period.
Mostly agree with this post, but one thing you are leaving out is that when you go abroad (esp to a place like Thailand) your SMV automatically goes up 2-3 points.
So basically that HB6 at starbucks gives you the evil eye, but is sexual towards the 6'4'' semi-professional athlete.
But don't get me wrong, this is only part of the problem. Culture in US is toxic.
It's in there actually. That was my first line of reasoning on day one. But, it's not true (well it's true your SMV goes up, but thats not the cause of women treating you better). Mostly because even very low status men are treated well in most places. I'm not saying that some schlub will have a supermodel knocking his door down, but I notice very unattractive men being treated normally. It was a long post and I forgot to add it in, but the third thing I noticed at first was a "spot the American" phenomenon from a distance with women. Mostly because the ONLY time I ever see some random girl giving me a creep stare at a distance is when she's from the states. At home I thought, that's just how women work, now I see that it's actually something that's super specific to a few western countries.
It is absolutely the main cause of women treating you better. White guys in developing countries are perceived the same way that hawt under 35 millionaires are perceived in the US. If you think this isn't the number 1 factor in how you are treated abroad, you are deluding yourself.
Let a low value man come on sexually to an average woman in any part of the world and you will always see the same basic dynamic play out: "omg he's a creep what is he doing" and 50 white knights come running to save the damsel in distress.
Again, don't get me wrong: US culture is toxic. But female nature is the same.
It's not. That is true for sure in places where you're easily identifiable. Genetically I'm slavic, people don't even tend to know to speak english to me unless I'm in Asia. And, as I pointed out already most of my theory comes from observing foreigners interact with eachother, which me having a higher SMV from being a wealthy 6'2 strong American fuckboi wouldn't effect.
Yes traveling increases my SMV. No it is not the reason women are nice to me abroad. Women are just nicer to men abroad.
This isn't true. He'll get rejected sure, but he wont get shamed for it. I have never seen any hint of that happening and I've watched people strike up conversations that don't go anywhere.
bro if you are slavic, then you have 10 centimeters of height and 10 IQ points of intellect and about 5 times the earning potential of the average man from thailand. Also, slavic men are much more handsome / masculine.
If you use USA statistics, that is a handsome guy with a square jaw making $250 K / year, highly educated 6'2''.
If you are an above average slavic guy, it just goes up from there.1
Get a grip on reality.
I don't think you're reading what he's saying bro. He said he observed this from people watching. "Most of my theory comes from observing foreigners interact with each other".
Not every person he's watching is a 6'2 slavic american. You're right about SMV going up in foreign countries. But he is also right in regards to women treating men better in general abroad.
Being white has nothing to do with it. It's more like westerners are perceived that way.
Yeah the local men don't seem to be particularly thirsty either.
Nice post, but have you factored in the reverse racism that exists in non-white countries?
The non-white locals look up to white people (literally and figuratively). In a population of various ethnicities of men, white always wins when non-white females have to choose (OkC did a study on this). That does not apply to us TRPers though as long as we lift and hold frame but the right skin colour (and consequently also height) is an easier foot in the door.
That being said, i agree with the rest of your points.
It's a mixed bag. In Asia my gut feeling is that you paradoxically gain and lose points for being white. You gain points in that you're seen as attractive physically, you're right that white people are (pretty weirdly) looked up to in asia. But you also lose points for being from a completely different culture. In Thailand for example, it's common for a girl to date a foreigner but branch swing up with a high society Thai guy becomes available to her. Even when that guy isn't necessarily physically as high SMV as her FWB. So practically speaking, you can cuck those guys even though she'd probably "date" them. According to online sources Thailand has the highest rate of infidelity in the world. As a white westerner who lifts I notice(d) a pretty high rate of girls with men attached drooling over me. It's not on that list but for whatever reason I noticed this most anywhere in the world in Singapore.
So you're the AF and if they're lucky they're the BB. Where's the downside?
I guess what he is trying to say is that infidelity is bad at a systemic societal level. It is okay for a bunch of redpillers to spin plates, but the world would be a crazy place if the abundance mentality was rampant. Or maybe OP wants to LTR an asian chick.
Not weird at all. From what I've read with regards to Asia it's because if you're white it means that you're not a laborer in the fields. People that do manual labor tend to have tans/darker skin including Chinese people. So that right there means you're not lower class because you're not tanned by the sun.
WE.NEED.FIELD.REPORTS. country-wise if you could😂
Define 'drooling' in this context :)
Thailand is great. night and day compared to the states. however it's getting there slowly. Vietnam is still pretty legit. it's still a somewhat secluded country and much poorer than Thailand, also still communist. not as many foreigners there. tinder game in both places is ridiculous, but Vietnam is just easy mode. all girls are approachable in both places. i day gamed all day long, the only place in the states that can even come halfway close (even that's a stretch) in the states is NYC. the girls in southeast asia will go out of their way to impress you. i matched with a girl in Vietnam and decided to meet. i showed up in shorts and a t-shirt because it's hot as fuck there, this girl came in dressed like she was going to the opera. i felt like a total dickhead. i told her that we agreed on casual and she's like "i just wanted to look nice for you". not that i looked like shit, but still. ended up smashing it the whole weekend. now, i know she most likely goes through white dick there like water in hopes of latching in on to taking her out of that place, but I'm ok with that. she was also a dime straight up. they all are.
Dude, that’s amazing. They dress up for you??? Incredible. Love asian women.
Italian hedge fund manager: 'Never, ever marry an American woman'
The average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man
Why are attractive American women are so picky compared to other attractive women around the world?
Interesting, I have never thought about it in this way. Of course while the small percentage of men who do take care of themselves physically have an advantage, it does not provide the same benefit that women enjoy. Unfortunately, it’s doubtful that this situation will ever be reversed.
Living in South East Asia almost 4 years now. I'd never go back to the UK.
Lots of hot asian chicks? Must be nice
Yeah it's great. Women here actually want to be women.
Believe it or not, I had no idea how much they love white guys before I arrived here. A lot of other white guys here are very BP and wife up the first hottie that shows interest in them because they're just too blown away by the fact that they have a hot woman giving them attention for the first time in their lives.
If you're a Western guy with any RP skill at all you'll clean up. Fuck it, you could be a nerdy, anti-social, skinny, pasty dude with a small dick and no game and still do quite well if you play Tinder and don't girlfriend up any of the girls.
That sounds amazing. Any counties in particular that you’d like to recommend?
I mean Thailand is the obvious choice but I've never been there. Well, I went to Bangkok once in transit for 2 days but the whole place feels like dirty Disneyland for sex tourists. It's very saturated with drunken white people on sex holidays. First place I went to was a restaurant where a group of drunk Brits were screaming at the local staff, refusing to pay (as a fellow Brit it made me cringe). Just not my cup of tea.
I live in Jakarta, Indonesia. It's pretty great here. Hardly any tourists, just guys living and working here. Plus Indonesia has countless ideallic holiday destinations just a short domestic flight away. Don't get put off by the Muslim thing; it's pretty laid back so long as you don't kiss a girl in public and you can find a chill residence that lets you bring girls back to your place.
You can also go to Bali but again that's basically the Thailand of Indonesia. Bunch of drunken Australians clubbing it up, again not my cup of tea.
I’ve vaguely heard about Indonesia. What are the women like over there?
I've been living in Colombia for about a year and can agree to all of this. One of my plates is actually pretty red pilled and surprisingly knows a lot about American culture so we've had some great discussions.
She randomly told me one day, "Incels don't exist in Colombia." First, I was surprised she knew what an incel was, then I agreed and started thinking why. Women in Colombia have it ingrained in their culture to look good, so with that you have very little obesity compared to the States, you have women who wear makeup very tastefully, have long gorgeous hair (my personal favorite part of Paisa culture), eat right, get their nails done. They simply look super fucking feminine. With that kind of supply of gorgeous women, men are the ones who don't really take care of themselves. They aren't over eager nice guys. My plate said that even the nerdiest Colombian man can and will get laid and I see this as truth every day walking down the street and seeing average to below average looking dudes with extremely sexy women. OP absolutely nailed it, I had zero fear about talking to a cute girl because it was such a common experience. It wasn't this special unicorn I thought I had to impress.
I just got back to the States today for the first time in a year so I'm curious to see how my interactions with women will change while I'm here for the next couple months.
You can get very spoiled as a man living in Antioquia or Valle del Cauca or Atlántico. The level of effort required to acquire an attractive plate is incredibly low and provider game is NOT punished or disrespected there like it is here in the US. I suspect that your level of tolerance for western women's entitlement will change you at some point. Dating down (like many men do in the west) pisses me off so I reserve most of my gaming for Colombia these days.
Everywhere I stayed in Colombia had beautiful women, even Bogota. I'd rank Cali and Barranquilla above Medellin actually.
I've learned that Colombian women are obviously extremely beautiful and nice, but I was expecting them to know how to cook and clean and do those kinds of things, but unfortunately, those skills were lost on this generation. Every parent of a girl I was seeing does these things, but not the kid.
Roughly 80% of the people in Colombia come from single parent homes, so even though I had a lot of great women treat me right, I've had a lot be with me thinking that their looks were enough. Most women never had a father in their lives so they didn't grow up seeing how a woman is supposed to treat a man. And for some reason the single mothers never taught their kids how to cook and clean properly. This surprised me completely.
Colombian women are great for short term, but long term, I don't think it's any better than the United States.
The level of entitlement is probably creeping up a little bit with the noticeable influx of foreigners to the major cities but I'll take a third world born and bred woman over a westernized one any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I'm sure you know this but if you are looking for a more traditionally-minded woman, go outside of the well known cities to the smaller pueblos or visit second- and third-tier cities and you may have better luck. My favorite plate in Medellin was originally from Tolima.
While the foreigners are definitely starting to come in droves, I've dated plenty of women where I was their first gringo so I don't think that is the main reason for leading to the entitlement. Once my spanish got to a (barely) conversational level, I started dating girls who speak no english and that is when a whole new world of possibilities opened for me. I think you're right that it may just be a big city mindset where girls lose the traditional culture. The plate who treated me the best was this girl from a small city who moved to Medellin relatively recently.
I also noticed though that Colombian women are much more jealous, which has led to some great frame practice in those scenarios.
Keep havin' fun brother. I'll be back in Latin America after the new year.
Do you think you could demand the "cooking and cleaning" bit and use it to train them up?
I think the narcissm and gluttony behind the female obesity has as much to do with misandric behavior as the effects of obesity on the sexual marketplace. I lived in Brazil, where I saw men treated with dignity and respect by women, even though there are alot of obese women. I think the difference is that women who are obese in Brazil are obese because of poverty (poor nutrition and lifestyle) and not because they think they can be obese and beautiful at once. Almost all middle class brasileiras take as good care of their fitness as they do the men in their life.
Just crossed the border from Canada this Saturday to go on an Erie Canal cruise in upstate NY. It is so striking!! About 90% are overweight and 60% are obese. I feel sad for the poor American people who have been raised like fat cattle by the fast food companies psychological marketing and their own will neutered. Sad, really sad.
The point your missing is cultural differences and personal bias. The article you linked is some of the most negative, whiny, beta, bitchboy shit I have ever read. "Waaah American girls like assholes instead of me, an intellectual blogger!" If you've been to major cities in America you'll notice women are more competitive and put together, and you can meet some down to earth chicks. Obviously not every place is like this.
One thing you need to know about Asia is that sex is a commodity and a woman's appearance doesn't mean all that much. Many girls enter the sex trade in their prime, and the price of pussy is quite cheap in much of Asia's developing countries, ranging from.15-60 USD. Basically, the girl's sexual value is lower, as is her social value in society. It is very common for men to pay for sex in these societies. South Korea has almost a $5bn/yr black market sex industry.
Beauty standards are also different. What you consider to be a 10/10 Thai or Vietnamese thot might be percieved in her culture as an average girl. At the end of the day there is no objective ten, just objective attractiveness in the form of fertility triggers like skin, tits, ass, hair, etc. If you want confirmation of this ask some Asian men to rate western chicks, especially white ones. Who they will find to be the most attractive will probably surprise you.
Contrary to popular belief on this sub, women care only about appearance initially and will look past it, no matter what, to observe your behavior and mannerisms, which are what keep them attracted. The reason Western women are not nice to you is because you got some things off about you, as per western standards, and their value perception of you is low.
When you go to European countries and notice women are more stylish and put together, you draw comparisons to bumfuck smalltowns that most American's grow up in and think, "Golly, this girls a 10/10!" However, her appearance is not that exceptional given the general higher beauty standards in Europe. She's doing her part to fit into her society, just as the fat hoe in a hoodie, sweatpants, and uggs, with bad hygiene and unhealthy habits is fitting the norm for American society. It should not be that surprising. These women have their downsides, too.
Anyway, yeah, get out of America if you want to easily meet and date more beautiful women. There is just an abundance of them in Eastern and Central Asia and Eastern and Northern Europe.
I knew fat women were ruining dating in the UK (USA has similar obesity rates) when I tried online dating for the first time back in 2002 or 2003. I was a lean average guy, decent average face, thick black hair, comepetive mountain biker. I could not get replies or messages from average slim English women around a 5 or 6/10. On those rare occasions i did get a reply, they would flake leaving me frustrated. Even skinny 4's would ignore me. But obese women were contatcting me always. I felt it was height (5'9) and lack of facial masculinity letting me down. These plain slim English girls wanted tall hunks in the top 10%. Thats all it was, and it reamins like this to this day with online dating. I made fake accounts of hunky 6ft3 fireman with Chad looks and waves upon waves of skinny 5/10 > 6/10 chicks were messaging him.They were shooting for "Chads". When I tried international dating sites (Thailand, Laos, Romania, Bulgaria, Vietnam) I was overwhelmd that slim, decent looking chicks in the 6/10 > 7/10 (and occasional 8's) range would talk to me and be open to dating. I lost my virginity to a thai woman, rather late (age 29) as well, but if i'd of not looked abroad I could of ended up the 40yo virgin.
This is absolutely 100% spot on. I travel internationally for work about 30-50% of the time and once I’m out of the US, it’s incredible the amount of kind beautiful women I see and have a pleasant interaction with. The warning about not wanting American women as plates anymore is real. Dating American women is simply not worth my time anymore and I’m now focused on relocating abroad permanently.
Lived in Northern Europe for 8 years. Watched the girls there get woke and fat at the same time. (eastern European girls being the exception in almost every case) It was sad how quickly the western ideals you speak of spread like a cringey fad. Found my unicorn and dipped.
I spent 3.5 weeks in Europe. France, Germany, Spain, and Switzerland.
I didn't notice too much of a difference except that in public people were much nicer to men, if they knew you (stranger to stranger hospitality suffered greatly, but this was mostly restrained to Paris. Germany and Switzerland we're quite nice and Spain was alright. Very nice people on Mallorca, Barcelona and Madrid we're slightly worse. This makes sense to me because Paris gets more tourism than any other city in the world)
But it wasn't too different honestly.
I'm going to Barcelona in about a month. did you game at all over there?
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Just kidding.
No I didn't game at all, because I was traveling with my cousin.
I’m curious, what did you think of Switzerland / Swiss women?
The people there in general are very kind. The women are attractive. Everyone is very culturally homogeneous and there seems to be less feminist bullshit going around.
Edit: other than that I don't have too much insight to offer on the Swiss specifically
How do you go about meeting women when abroad? What works best for you?
Well, in most places people (women) are just out more. So public squares, music venues, cafes/lounges. Airbnb's and hostels have worked for me as well, but only when you're meeting foreigners who are also travelling to where you're at (or for Airbnb, the host or the host's friend circle if they're a cool host).
I enjoyed reading your analysis. As someone who will be living abroad soon, it's great to have more insight.
>the countries with the fewer attractive women are more misandrous.
This is true and I'm seeing it in many other fields. In IT for example where women are very few and the huge majority is ugly, their misandry is off the scale. Completely unlike other fields like architecture or law, where the balance of hot girls is much equal.
Leaving first world countries is the best thing that i ever did in my life.
Any other reason than just women?
Well, I usually have a hard time relating to how plain some women that Americans drooled over are. My former work place had this company that did odd jobs where the recruiter was, well a pig I guess. The rumors were that he offered gorgeous women work for ass. These were high paying low qualification jobs. Might just have to been BS but, every season there were lots of young, vapid but even by Swedish standards, extremely good good looking women. No matter if the recruiter actually slept with them or not he certainly had taken their looks into account. I just stopped being "impressed" by looks, I realized that I could find 50 model looking women before finding one that could hold her end of a conversation, so in the end I almost completely disregard physical appearance and searched for something else... My phone app won't let me make paragraphs for some reason so will split this one..
The thing is, we don't have the same issue with obesity but the mindset described about American women seems to be close to that odd Swedish women. I do get the size is an issue, I've been with a woman who was so fat she probably would have been counted as fat in the US. Still preferred her since she was a nice person. I don't think this has to do with weight but feminism and how it twists their brains. When I was young the men who couldn't find a Swedish woman would try their luck among poor women in Thailand basically knowing she would only agree for financial gain. Nowdays I see young men with everything going for them doing the same, spending half the year with ONS with Swedish bimbos then going abroad to countries that hasn't been badly infected by feminism to find a woman who won't be a total butch...
This has caused Swedish females to hate Thailand, Thais or even people who go there's on holiday. They know they can't compete with and feels really threatened. They try to portrait it like those women only want money yet I know people where the Thai wife is making more then enough on her own, sure money is a factor but it's the same with all women... The difference is that they treat their partner with respect and act nice in general. Mean but hot girls gets P&D and then complain with a down to earth woman from a culture where women still are women...
I am under the impression that breaking out the (verbal) pimp hand can get you tossed in jail in Scandinavia. Sometimes it's necessary, and fun quite honestly, to truth bomb the living hell out of some trifling hoe: "Bitch, if you were doing your fucking job as the woman, I wouldn't have to go to Thailand for some pussy. What the fuck is wrong with you? Fix your shitty personality or GTFO."
This is sad but true. We call them plus size now and are forced to except them and not criticize because we’re told it’s wrong. And with all the feminist crap getting out of hand, in America even looking at something funny can land you in trouble. I had buddy of mine from Europe notice this before I did, he just goes “they’re abusive and expect to be baby fed like little girls” basically when blue pilled we all do it to some extent. Funny enough though, they drop all that when traveling abroad, I don’t know if any of you mean American women who tour Asia or Europe. They just have that mentality at home.
so true. abroad they know their place in society so they act accordingly. so funny you pointed that out.
You should add point 16 to that list - nowhere will you find as many mentally ill women as in America. It seems to be that being mentally ill, neurotic, taking pills in middle age and some disorder or the other has become a badge of honor in America. But believe me, the virus is spreading quickly in urban liberal areas all over the world.
Your title could have better more focused OP. Obesity yes, but also behavior.
Only extreme Don Juan or mrp levels of masculinity can deal with the constant microagressions (shit tests).
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20 to 25 is fit....over 32 and over is obese.
The argument I have with women is that “it’s easier for men to lose weight.” Yes...but women look better with a higher percentage of body fat when compared to men.
Speaking of...it’s time to drop about 20 lbs. Been partying my ass off all summer. I look and feel like shit....lol
The problem with this analysis is that fat women in the USA are just as entitled as the few thin ones.
I don’t disagree as a whole but there a a couple points I want to comment on. First one being the article. I can see the truths in all 15 points but I couldn’t help but think that the author sounds like a bitter incel. Too many absolutes for my liking, but it was a good read that made me laugh along with it. Second point is about how you’re treated by women in Asia. A part of the reason for the friendliness is because you are an American and they think highly of us, especially if you are white. Apart from that, you’re right about the cultural differences.
I posted in AskReddit why American women are so damn fat and it was nothing but deflection. They all found some way to point it back at men, women from somewhere else, or how they're at least not the fattest in the world. They really have no collective interest in self improvement through physical work.
This is why I've lived in Vietnam for the past 5 years and I have no intention of moving back to the U.S.
The girls here are naturally beautiful, slim, nurturing, submissive & they expect you to be alpha. My biggest fear is that western culture will continue to affect eastern mentalities with eventually more than just fashion and pop music.
Great post.
You live in a heavenly paradise of Asian chicks. I’m jealous. Good for you homie.
Thanks, man! If you have a chance, I highly recommend it. I know not everyone's situations allow for such a change, but hell, just the simple lack of traditional stress propagated by Western societies is fairly non-existent here - if you play your cards right.
And as you've said, it's a heavenly paradise of beautiful Asian women who have a much longer sell-by date.
As an American that has traveled quite a bit and lived overseas 3 times, everything OP is saying is true. This should almost be side-bared/stickied.
I posted in AskReddit why American women are so damn fat and it was nothing but deflection. They all found some way to point it back at men, women from somewhere else, or how they're at least not the fattest in the world. They really have no collective interest in self improvement through physical work.
I think you are still looking things in asia through white guy lenses even tho you are aware of the advantages.
I can’t stand American/Canadian women
Out of all the places I have lived Brazil was the one where women treated men the best. Brazil of course is not one of the world's places with the lowest obesity rates. So the correlation is more complex than higher female obesity - higher misandry.
My guess is a common cause situation. In Brazil women who are overweight are mostly so from very poor communities and are unable to afford good nutrition and do not exercise due to the malaise of poverty. In the United States women who are overweight are often so due to narcissistic gluttony and have a "the more me the better" perspective.
Would love to see how extreme the difference in obesity rates by country are if you only count women NOT living in poverty.
Dang. . .. 15 Things is right on target. I live in Asia and have noticed this about American women some years ago, also.
Honest question. How do I travel when I'm poor as shit?
Get your money game sorted out ASAP. If you live in the west, fiat currency is easily attainable with even minimal effort.
You don’t even need to go to another country, you just need to go to South Florida or Costal California.
The women probably aren’t as nice as they are in other countries, but in terms of looks it’s literally night and day.
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Great post. Living outside of the US is very eye opening in so many ways. I lived outside of the US for a while.
What I'm most curious about is what you did for for money while traveling? I am looking to do the same thing but I never get good advice on this subject. Maybe I should ask this on a different subreddit but... since it's been brought up.
I have tech skills and work remotely. Check out "the five hour work week" if your looking for a few get-rich-slow schemes that let you travel on passive income
southeast asian women probably just assume that white men have money
To reply to that article you made- do you have any idea how many “bad boys” pretend to be good in front of women? They’ll act like douches and do the worst things ever in front of other men but around a woman he likes, he’ll pretend that he’s nice until he gets what he wants.
I see you used microaggressions... I don't think that word means what you think it means.
If you mean 'being passive aggresive', that's not what SJW's call micro aggression. Passive aggressive is common when people have a strong emotional response but are not man enough to get it out. It's common among women.
Microaggression is you doing something that a certain group interprets as 'offensive'. That could be fucking anything. Looked at her for 2+ seconds? Oh my god he's trying to rape me, that's a micro aggression. I can't even be bothered going into these, it's so boring.
so there's the image of women that is thrust upon ALL of us... and there's the reality of the women we love.
btw, the quality of the woman has NOTHING to do with her dress size or looks.
Now maybe its just me but I live here in the U.S. and I don't feel rejected when I turn to talk a good looking girl in the grocery line. I'd say I'm a "7" but my experience is that most women are approachable here IF and that's a big IF, you stay out of your head.
I didn't even have to travel far to come to this realization. Montreal. I guess it's just European enough to notice these kinds of things. But holy shit was every single woman gorgeous. All petite, in good shape, dressed very well, and generally looking like they take great care of themselves. On top of it all, they're nice as hell and pretty down to earth. I spoke to so many girls that wouldn't look at me twice over here.
How would you go about meeting women when abroad? What works best for you?
I didn't even have to travel far to come to this realization. Montreal. I guess it's just European enough to notice these kinds of things. But holy shit was every single woman gorgeous. All petite, in good shape, dressed very well, and generally looking like they take great care of themselves. On top of it all, they're nice as hell and really down to earth. I spoke to so many girls that wouldn't look at me twice over here.
beta males are our biggest enemy
This is such a fucking cop out. The game is harder in the US so let’s go abroad to fucking Thailand or some Eastern European mail order bride country to game women.
All US women are fat so I’ll write them off?? You can’t tell me the women living in Miami Beach are in anyway comparable to women in Akron Ohio. Women are smoking and put in the effort from fake tits to working out every go damn day. There are major cities all over the country with hot women.
Oh, it’s only 20% of the women in some shit city you live in and make it’s tough to game them? Well fucking suck it up and become the top 20% of men they are interested in. There’s a reason your smv bumps up when you come from the US or Western Europe. You’ve qualified yourself among the best of the best already.
I'm not trying to say "go abroad so you can get laid". If that's your problem you need to address it wherever you live. What I was trying to get at is more along the lines of if how women treat you is bothering you on a daily basis, you can move and get a higher quality of life. Working towards having a better life isn't a cop out. And staying somewhere where you're at odds with the cultural movement and fighting it might be noble, but it's probably not going to give you a high quality of life.. I think if someone is unable to get over the anger phase, or it's just too much for them, they should at least try getting tf out of Dodge for a while.
I posted in AskReddit why American women are so damn fat and it was nothing but deflection. They all found some way to point it back at men, women from somewhere else, or how they're at least not the fattest in the world. They really have no collective interest in self improvement through physical work.
I didn't even have to travel far to come to this realization. Montreal. I guess it's just European enough to notice these kinds of things. But holy shit was every single woman gorgeous. All petite, in good shape, dressed very well, and generally looking like they take great care of themselves. On top of it all, they're nice as hell and pretty down to earth. I spoke to so many girls that wouldn't look at me twice over here.
My wife is pretty fat now. BMI 40 is borderline morbidly obese. Blames it on baby even though that was over 2 years ago. Meanwhile I practice intermittent fasting and work out daily. It's how she goes. If this doesn't work out I'm never getting married again. Everyone would be on their best behavior and taking care of themselves if they know it's easy as shit to leave at any time. Guess I didn't let myself go because I still care ;/
Also, you guys need to get a clue. “Men are men and women are women”. Not anymore. You don’t bring anything to the table anymore. Back then, men provided financial stability and security, and in return the woman, since she was a housewife, would cook, clean, and take care of the children. They don’t need you for financial security any more since women work too. So now, the dynamic has shifted. A women now works, cooks(if her mom taught her), cleans, and takes care of the children, while the guy also works, then comes home to sit on his ass. You can see why women would get frustrated at this. What you had to offer before- they already have it. Men, try to bring something else to the table, or start dividing housework/kid care equally.
Whew.. please pass me your crack pipe. That is exactly the sort of brainwashed "I don't need no man" that makes American women truly disgusting.
Do yourself a favor. Throw out your yoga pants. Lose 20lbs. By a blouse. And quit being a cunt to men.
Ha, got me all wrong. BMI is perfectly healthy, go to the gym once a day, and I always wear dresses with ballet flats. Would never be caught in yoga pants.
Men need not come to the table in the first place, let alone bring anything to said table. They are they ones in control, and the ones with the actual power. The trick is to manipulate them to think they're not.
Also, men have money, which is what women want. For that, they'll do just about anything, and if they won't, another one will.
That's the understanding I was under.
Out of all the places I have lived Brazil was the one where women treated men the best. Brazil of course is not one of the world's places with the lowest obesity rates. So the correlation is more complex than higher female obesity - higher misandry.
My guess is a common cause situation. In Brazil women who are overweight are mostly so from very poor communities and are unable to afford good nutrition and do not exercise due to the malaise of poverty. In the United States women who are overweight are often so due to narcissistic gluttony and have a "the more me the better" perspective.
Would love to see how extreme the difference in obesity rates by country are if you only count women NOT living in poverty.
I didn't even have to travel far to come to this realization. Montreal. I guess it's just European enough to notice these kinds of things. But holy shit was every single woman gorgeous. All petite, in good shape, dressed very well, and generally looking like they take great care of themselves. On top of it all, they're nice as hell and pretty down to earth. I spoke to so many girls that wouldn't look at me twice over here.
Out of all the places I have lived Brazil was the one where women treated men the best. Brazil of course is not one of the world's places with the lowest obesity rates. So the correlation is more complex than higher female obesity - higher misandry.
My guess is a common cause situation. In Brazil women who are overweight are mostly so from very poor communities and are unable to afford good nutrition and do not exercise due to the malaise of poverty. In the United States women who are overweight are often so due to narcissistic gluttony and have a "the more me the better" perspective.
Out of all the places I have lived Brazil was the one where women treated men the best. Brazil of course is not one of the world's places with the lowest obesity rates. So the correlation is more complex than higher female obesity - higher misandry.
My guess is a common cause situation. In Brazil women who are overweight are mostly so from very poor communities and are unable to afford good nutrition and do not exercise due to the malaise of poverty. In the United States women who are overweight are often so due to narcissistic gluttony and have a "the more me the better" perspective.
Would love to see how extreme the difference in obesity rates by country are if you only count women NOT living in poverty.