An ugly girl is an invisible girl

SqueaksScreech · 2019-07-17T15:09:06+00:00

Lines up with what I've seen. Attractive girls get opportunities and treatment that unattractive or unremarkable girls don't get, attractive girls who are also charming even more so

It's also not just girls- my mom is in her 60s, fit and attractive and dresses well, very charming in a dignified sort of way, and gets treated completely differently from other women in their 60s

Five_Decades · 2019-07-17T20:53:03+00:00

Really attractive women are given dream lives.

Attractive women are given good times.

high valued men have high perks to life.

Unattractive women are given small perks.

Really unattractive women are given no perks. they are invisible

Non-higher valued man are mistreated.

seems about right.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-07-17T17:21:14+00:00

Yes, attractive girls have it much easier. I have seen attractive girls skyrocket up their careers while ugly girls just don't advance as fast.

That said, I have seen most girls, at some point in their lives, no matter how ugly, ending up with someone.

In fact the ones that end up alone are not necessarily the ugliest ones.

Juko007 · 2019-07-18T07:01:39+00:00

I would say as an ugly girl, you'll have about the same life as an average guy. You have to invest heavily in relationships and probably will have to make a lot of compromises. People don't really care how you are doing as long as you're functioning properly for society. You won't get any special treatment, opportunities, favors or kindness just because you're attractive. You will have to work hard and constantly prove yourself.

fuckdr11 · 2019-07-17T15:16:01+00:00

I think it’s true. I’m not a neuroscientist, but it’s almost as if different parts of my brain process people I want to fuck and people I don’t want to fuck.

Men, family, and unattractive women all fall into the category of people who I don’t consider sexually at all. I don’t see them as sexual beings, even though they are. It’s like a cognitive dissonance. The option just doesn’t exist.

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-07-17T20:38:04+00:00

Women, atleast the ones on this sub are fine with letting romance for men become the hunger games so I'm not very sympathetic with ugly girls.

gopher_glitz · 2019-07-17T19:57:20+00:00

Plenty of men are thirsty as fuck so even ugly women have never had it easier.

Blonsomio · 2019-07-17T15:05:45+00:00

If she can keep her hypergamy under control she can end up with a man who's at her level, just look at walmart couples.

The problem is that some of them can't. They have a one night stand with a handsome guy and think she's hot. Social media and body positivity also fuels delusions that they're hotter than they are and e deserve better men than the men at her level.

[deleted] · 2019-07-17T15:38:21+00:00

I cannot speak to the ugly girl's experience but I had plain gal pals who felt this way and were depressed about it. All of them ended up married though.

[deleted] · 2019-07-17T22:01:30+00:00

Yeah I agree. Ugly girls are basically invisible to society and it's a very polar message because there's no clear cutoff or anything, some girls just get completely ignored. The concept that female incels do not exist is laughable but blackpill is convinced it's true.

SevenDrunkMidgets · 2019-07-17T16:43:38+00:00

SMV of an ugly girl>>>>SMV of an average guy

2bitgun · 2019-07-18T07:13:52+00:00

Nah I still see ugly girls that still fill their social media accounts with humble brag posts about all the sex they have.

diffdedbed · 2019-07-17T16:19:25+00:00

Like being a normal man?

I do think it is worse for women as men can increase RMV easier.

firewatchersdaughter · 2019-07-18T12:36:23+00:00

Ugly girls are treated like men.

s86ahmed · 2019-07-17T15:08:45+00:00

Well... it depends. I know a girl who is pretty untouchable, but because she has a good personality and is friendly she has a ton of friends, most of them guys.

The men in her life are always there for her and help her when she needs it and are genuinely good to her. At the same time, I can tell she is in love with one of them and I’m sure it breaks her heart knowing there is little future with him.

So I wouldn’t say ugly people are invisible, even though it’s been true in my personal experiences (even thought I’m pretty now)... it’s really that I’m boring and that boring / shy people are invisible, unless they are attractive. Because being good looking is interesting.

theambivalentrooster · 2019-07-17T15:18:25+00:00

And older women too.

SupremeMystique · 2019-07-17T15:35:03+00:00

Boo hoo. A short guy is an invisible guy.

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DuckingAroundYT · 2019-07-18T07:32:38+00:00

Even ugly girls have hella dudes in their dms and making passes at them lol I don’t understand how this is remotely true.

iceicle999 · 2019-07-18T14:41:50+00:00

Oh look, another PPD pity party. The same users circlejerking in this thread are the same ones who dial up the intensity and start getting all critical when it comes to disaffected boys/men and their place in society. They don't want to admit for the life of them that their worldviews are incorrect and that just because you were born with a dick doesn't mean everything will be easy.

[deleted] · 2019-07-23T14:39:45+00:00

Created an account solely for this post. Hope I don't get down-voted to the depths of Hell.

Perhaps I'm being biased, considering I'm what's known to be unattractive, but I'd certainly say this is the case.

But — and excuse the philosophical-esque bull — what is attractive? To me, it's things that fit within the standards society has created, and this is evidenced by the trends throughout history which are influenced either by celebrities, movements, etc.

If you don't fit these trends, then you may as well be labelled unattractive. Now, I don't inherently think I am unattractive. I've nice eyes, an average build, and decent facial features.

Despite this, I was called ugly throughout my primary and secondary years at school.

I don't have big breasts, a big ass, long hair, big lips, etc. We're currently in the Kardashian era — if you're not "slim thicc" then you're essentially unattractive. At least, that's the case for women.

Now, this is just the general consensus, of course.

I'm referring to evolution when I say this: Attractive girls get most attention and resources as males are essentially competing for their attention, etc. Now, okay, I get it — we're not apes. But it's driven into our subconscious minds — we're hardwired for this. It goes either way, too, i.e. females competing for males for their attention, resources, etc.

Quite frankly, I would've been banging in the 60's.

BlackPillTruthBomb · 2019-08-06T10:57:41+00:00

Being invisible is actually really enjoyable. I'm an INTJ and I hate being bothered. I don't thrive on attention from anyone and everyone, in fact it makes me want to avoid people.

It's when people treat you as less than because you are not pretty. However I don't think I would like it if I was valued in my social interactions just for my looks, either. I wish people were more interesting than just thinking about sex all the time. It seems like women are just far more sexualized than men whether we are ugly or not.

pngmafia97 · 2019-07-17T15:39:15+00:00

True and I have no problem with it

we-are-men-with-ven · 2019-07-17T17:57:39+00:00

I'm not sure, maybe?

I was over weight in high school and I was treated like I was invisible at best, jeered at at worse. It was really hard because whilst I had a really tight group of female friends, their male friends in our larger social circle wouldn't even hold a conversation with me.

However, high school behaviour isn't really a good reflection of the adult world.

I would probably ask r/truefemcels for their input.

throwinout · 2019-07-17T15:33:21+00:00

An ugly still has plenty of opportunities to get laid and attention from guys, usually more attractive than herself because of the tilted dating market.

They're invisible to alpha men maybe, for most of the time. But even alpha men go dumpster diving once in a while.

pnadlerlaw · 2019-07-17T15:20:29+00:00

Outside of dating, this isn’t true at all.

Respectfully, I know a lot of “unattractive” overweight female attorneys and judges. That’s absolutely not at all a reflection of who they are as lawyers and judges. These are genuinely brilliant women, generally not angry, who love what they do and are very good at what they do.

These women are not invisible at all. In terms of men want to “date” them, yes, they’re invisible in that very narrow and limited sense. But in every other sense, they’re in no way “worthless” or invisible.

Quite the contrary. If a “beautiful” female lawyer or judge is in the courtroom, it’s not that people are “distracted by” her beauty. But people assume, “Come on, what is Barbie going to tell us? How much intelligence can we really expect from that kind of privilege? She doesn’t have the same need or motivation to hit the books as other women. So maybe she’s minimally smart enough to pass the bar, but I’m definitely not shaking in my boots by anything remarkable or profound she’s about to say.”

And that’s between men. Between women, there’s jealousy. Fat ugly women do much better advancing in their professional careers when compared to beautiful women. Outside of dating, beautiful women have it pretty rough.

As far as dating is concerned, fat ugly women are also no invisible to men. Men notice fat ugly women, the way you would notice a Geiger meter going off in Chernobyl as you moved closer to the elephant’s foot. You generally just want to stay away, not have them talk to you, end conversations kind of quickly, and walk away as politely and quickly as possible.

storytellermich · 2019-07-17T21:57:20+00:00

Not quite. We're not invisible, we just get more negative attention. The mask comes off quicker and we see who people really are really quick.

z4ck-z · 2019-07-18T01:43:25+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. Two things I want to say on this that have been on my mind.

this is most of what I completely fail to fathom about the transgender stuff. Like some of them if they have the right body type or whatever they're going to look pretty but plenty of them just look like ugly, ugly girls which I guess if that's really how you feel on the inside that's fine, but all of my experience in society has shown me that ugly women are completely invisible, it's like a social death wish to become one, which leads to my second point
Incels have no idea how bad they could actually have it. I guess maybe without testosterone ugly women don't necessarily have the same sex drive or sexual frustration that those guys have, but incels still aren't invisible the way an ugly woman is. I mean honestly think of how sexist our society is as well like you may not be getting laid but you still have a viable career and societal value, where as an ugly woman is still just viewed as ultimately a failure in every regard, even a successful career is easily discounted.... and that's changed a little bit from the old Spinster thing but that's still a very real pressure that they have on them that incels don't.

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-07-17T17:51:02+00:00

10% of women are ugly enough to be invisible, and thats a high estimate.

50+% of men are invisible and thats a low estimate.

The most invisible woman is more visible than probably 25+% of men.

whatdidshewrite · 2019-07-17T21:14:15+00:00

It’s funny you mention this. I recently started a part time job with a supervisor that I’m pretty in to even though I don’t consider her attractive.

Actually I’ve only really been attracted to about 3 women in my life so far - none of them on a physical level though.

_Anarchon_ · 2019-07-17T21:53:50+00:00

I've known women that weren't necessarily classic beauties, but figured out how to make up for it other areas, and still remain attractive because of that...even sexy.

I think there's a difference between being pretty and beautiful...beauty entailing doing the best with what you have and having the right attitude. I'm really not all that attracted to pretty. I'm attracted to beauty.

DopeMeme_Deficiency · 2019-07-18T03:13:22+00:00

I love a woman with a meh face as long as she has a nice body

Aeiexgjhyoun_III · 2019-07-18T03:34:35+00:00

Why should anyone give you attention just because you exist? Pretty people get A ttenttion and admiration from others because they are pretty. The rest have to work for it. Ugly thinking they should get men to pay A ttenttion to them just by existing is the epitome of entitlement.

Willow-girl · 2019-07-18T05:04:41+00:00

It's a relief to get older and not be subject to male sexual attention all the time. It's actually not bad being treated like "one of the guys."

fuzzy_bunnyx · 2019-07-18T08:54:55+00:00

Water is wet and the air is breathable. It's not limited by gender either. Ugly people have it far worse in general. The opposite of love is apathy after all.

I guess the only difference is in the perception of beauty over time between the genders.

Planetof12 · 2019-07-18T10:40:38+00:00

Ugly girls are fairly invisible, but not too much. Anyway, it's just like being a man. Most men are entirely invisible to women. So, deal with it, the world owes you nothing. Stop being a female incel. Ugly females should stop complaining.

Redslif · 2019-07-18T12:02:35+00:00

Absolutely.

I would never go after an ugly girl even if she was a billionaire. That being said, i'd probably consider only about 15-20% of the women to be absolutely ugly.

TPastore10ViniciusG · 2019-07-18T16:06:24+00:00

Lol no

KikiYuyu · 2019-07-18T19:54:18+00:00

I've been overweight most of my whole life. I feel pretty invisible. It's sort of like a weird limbo. I don't get treated like other girls, but I'm not treated like a man.

[deleted] · 2019-07-19T02:17:43+00:00

i’ve spent most of my life as an ugly and invisible girl, it’s only been since last year that i’ve decides to work on myself. the way i’ve been treated has changed a bit, i get more men smiling at me, speaking to me nicely, people complimenting me on my fashion choices. The halo effect is 100% real.

girls-support-girls · 2019-08-04T11:51:39+00:00

Speaking as an ugly girl this is 100% accurate. Though sometimes men notice you online that's the full extent of it though

FairlyNaive · 2019-07-18T07:34:40+00:00

Enthusiasticly dtf girl is never invisible

Scarsallovermybody · 2019-07-18T13:05:12+00:00

No, they're not.

When girls complain about how they are lonely and ''invisible'', that means in reality she is invisible to a high tier alpha while ignoring all the betas, gammas and omegas giving her attention.

Female incels don't exist. However, female Emcels do exist.

Bayard20 · 2019-07-17T15:20:27+00:00

I like Houllebecq, but he's a little too given to hyperbole for my tastes. Certainly, an ugly girl is not going to be as privileged as one who is "exceptionally beautiful" - I mean, yeah, no shit - but to say they're invisible? No.

Ever heard the old saying "everyone has a use, even if it's only as fertilizer"? Well, every woman has a use, even if it's just as a wet hole or broodmare.

darudeboysandstorm · 2019-07-17T15:45:41+00:00

People who are just sub par, and dont put in the effort to change that, tend to live a life of malaise.

couldbemage · 2019-07-17T17:50:10+00:00

Not true for young women. Possibly true with attractive men but not men overall. For example, I personally know more than one obese twenty something that has several dudes spending money on them. Young and female is all it takes.

Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee · 2019-07-18T01:38:12+00:00

They are invisible to the men they want.

This is the difference.

Ugly men are invisible to all or most women.

There are plenty of ugly men that will settle for ugly women without hesitation but these women are not interested in them for the same reason the men they are attracted to are not interested in them.

czerdec · 2019-07-17T18:11:59+00:00

A girl who's invisible is just experiencing the equality she's probably demanded since she was bitten by somebody infected with feminism. 85% of guys are invisible too and they deal.

Orange_Paisley · 2019-07-17T16:50:40+00:00

Eh, it depends on the girl. I know some women who are not conventionally attractive but have the charisma to fill up a room just by walking into it. I also know some plain Jane types that are sweet but mousy and go through life mostly unnoticed.

HonestyOverCivility · 2019-07-17T19:44:33+00:00

Anyone will be invisible when they lack whatever is valued in their respective gender

thatnomadsucks · 2019-07-18T06:51:36+00:00

Somewhat true, but I've seen ugly girls get a ton of attention because they aren't shy about asking for it. And, I've seen a lot of really attractive women get zero attention because of the attitudes they have from all of the special treatment they receive.

IntoxicatedWeasel · 2019-08-04T16:17:02+00:00

I believe this to be true. I think for men it it is different however. They face ridicule and trash talk for being “subpar” in terms of physical attraction. Women go unnoticed, men get noticed and get destroyed for it.

exit_sandman · 2019-07-17T19:43:40+00:00

You need to be really ugly and introverted on top of that.

If a woman is below average in looks by default (like, say, a 3) and just somewhat social and outgoing (like "average for a girl"), she'll get guys being interested in her.

wtknight · 2019-07-17T16:39:19+00:00

I don’t believe that there are invisible women. It’s incredible how often I find out that a completely unattractive woman is married. Men’s taste either vary that much or men are that thirsty. On the other hand, I’ve known several men who seem to be invisible.

KerPop42 · 2019-07-17T18:18:09+00:00

Seductive freshness of adolescence?

rus9384 · 2019-07-17T18:20:13+00:00

appears somehow unreal

Especially to body ~~positives~~ negatives.

banananutbranmuffin · 2019-07-17T21:33:11+00:00

No she isn't invisible, especially if she is still of child bearing years then she definitely is not invisible.

Bntt89 · 2019-07-17T22:57:35+00:00

So can I just ask to understand, does it matter? Is attention that necessary or is it just that most men dont desire you? Is it that bad? Also which men in particular, you are talking about the most preferable men right? If so of course you would be but I dont believe you are invisible to everyone.

[deleted] · 2019-07-17T23:24:15+00:00

In real life, yeah. Online, absolutely not.

goldmedalflower · 2019-07-18T00:06:14+00:00

People do not jeer at her, they are not cruel to her,

I'm glad this point was acknowledged. That fat guy at work or school is teased mercilessly, yet everyone says very little to the fat girl by comparison because, you know, that would be cruel.

maljo24 · 2019-07-18T00:10:39+00:00

Plain women have personalities that glow. Very visible. Delightful.

piratelostboi · 2019-07-18T00:12:54+00:00

Absolutely true.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-07-18T01:28:24+00:00

I know, very sad. However, I have seen a few (few.) exceptions till now, and the substitute is tons of charm.

praisethesun799 · 2019-07-18T02:06:58+00:00

Well yeah of course she's "invisible ", she's ugly It's so utterly obvious that I'm not sure what there is to discuss there lol . I mean , attractiveness is literally how you appear to others . Although Houellebeqc is hilariously dramatic in his writing, for such a blasé individual lol it's probably a French thing

mandoa_sky · 2019-07-18T02:10:53+00:00

halo effect.

N0blesse0blige · 2019-07-18T03:00:41+00:00

Takes some to be an ugly girl these days though. I maintain that a slim girl has to have facial or dental deformities, abnormal (unaddressed) hair growth, out of control acne/skin disorder, or visibly bad hygiene, to be considered ugly. I rarely see slim or normal weight girls that I consider unattractive really. Can women here say the same about men? Most overweight girls aren’t really ugly either, they’re just often less attractive. Obesity is another matter as it frequently probably registers to our minds as deformity.

hullcrush · 2019-07-18T04:21:59+00:00

An ugly man is an invisible man, except for bullets. Bullets find him quite easily.

SeemedGood · 2019-07-18T06:28:34+00:00

Only a vanishingly small percentage of women are actually invisible. “Ugly” girls are invisible to the 20% of men who are visible to them.

vezokpiraka · 2019-07-18T06:50:15+00:00

It's the same with guys. Nobody really cares at looks at you unless you're really cool and even then it's not even comparable to a good looking girl.

UncommercializedSaw · 2019-07-18T13:42:15+00:00

An ‘ugly girl’ can choose to be height/weight appropriate, display beauty in her surroundings, cook and maintain a household well.

I’d rather have a 7 who will help with the workload, than a 10 that you have to focus on how you’re going to be kept.

PumpkinFeet · 2019-07-18T14:32:13+00:00

I think the gist of this is that a women's SMV is much more dependant on their looks than a guys is.

[deleted] · 2019-07-18T14:32:47+00:00

It must suck to be born female and define yourself based on how much attention you get. I was backpacking in the roan mountains highlands 4 days ago. No other human beings around, just the odd deer and birds, i could hear and feel nature in its sheer immensity and intuitively grasp my place in the cosmos. I was thinking “why cant it always be like this, I wish a virus would wipe all the other human beings out.” I guess women are too dependent on other people to appreciate the freedom of not only being self sufficient, but wanting everyone else to die.

begonefoulsoftdrink · 2019-08-02T12:24:16+00:00

It seems pretty correct to me, but do not forgot that beauty is personal and people may or may not find somebody beautiful or not

zetaconvex · 2019-10-24T19:38:25+00:00

Generally speaking, women have it easier than men in that department. The attractiveness of men is very much a crowded trade, with the vast majority of women only wanting the same small proportion of men. All the others are invisible. The desirability of women is much more spread out.

khaste · 2019-12-24T07:00:53+00:00

True but they still have more dating options than ugly men

blackedoutfast · 2019-07-17T17:09:14+00:00

ugly girls obviously get less attention than pretty girls. and they definitely get less attention from the high-value guys that they want.

but even ugly girls have guys orbiting them, guys crushing on them and catching oneitis for them. but the guys that are paying attention to them are generally also ugly/low-value. at best, ugly girls ignore this attention from the "wrong" guys, at worst it actually pisses them off and makes their insecurities worse because it reminds them of their own low value.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-07-17T15:12:46+00:00

one of the best books ever

EGOtyst · 2019-07-17T21:06:51+00:00

Not if she deep throats your beer bottle.

[deleted] · 2019-07-18T00:22:33+00:00

So are ugly men.

[deleted] · 2019-07-17T19:52:01+00:00

As long as they don't "Eye Rape" me. Creepy women should be sent t o prison.

nevomintoarce · 2019-07-17T17:01:10+00:00

customary seductive freshness of adolescence

*roll credits*

When I was a teenage girl I would sometimes find myself feeling sorry for girls with obvious defects/deformities thinking that life will be hard for them because they're so ugly they can't make themselves pleasant to look at with makeup on or other cosmetics. I never said it out loud because I'm not an asshole and in those moments I always felt bad for thinking that. But you know what? Most of them do okay in life if they accept it and work on themselves and most women look ugly to men past a certain age. We'll all be hags one day.

Manck0 · 2019-07-17T19:10:40+00:00

A beautiful girl is recognizable to a beautiful man. It's that simple. Don't let anyone else tell you what is beautiful.

Title	An ugly girl is an invisible girl
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