CMV: MGTOW is the future

throwaway131072 · 2019-01-20T01:25:55+00:00

The real question is:

will men with reasonable access to the sexual market voluntarily forego it?

Since men without reasonable access to the sexual market aren't really making a choice.

Seems pretty doubtful that men who have access to sex would forego it en masse.

Now marriage, on the other hand...it's surprising to me that any men marry now that marriage is not a prerequisite for sexual access. It strikes me as bizarre and idiotic: like aliens mimicking a past that doesn't exist anymore

WhatIsTheMeaningHere · 2019-01-19T22:21:58+00:00

The only way I will disagree with you is the way you've framed this as a revenge fantasy. Think about the fat feminist who says "I don't need no man." Some of the stuff you said, to women, sounds just the same.

Jackpot807 · 2019-01-19T23:18:57+00:00

I think MGTOW is far too bitter to ever become "the future". I think it will work as a rubber band effect. As more and more men drop out of the game and fall to porn, obesity, mgtow, etc. the bar to become Chad gets lowered. When men wake up and realize how low that bar is they will ditch their vices (porn, food, videogames, mgtow) and improve themselves to become "Chad".

Glawen_Clattuc · 2019-01-19T22:36:20+00:00

The points you raise are:

emotionally disaffected women (and mainly disaffected as a result of "feminism and leftism");
technological substitutes for sex;
rising financial costs of marriage and relationships;
the alleged privileging of a small number of advantaged men over the rest.

Every one of these points could be used to predict a massive religious revival as much as MGTOW becoming the norm; maybe even more so.

There is little in your list there that a devout Christian pastor or Muslim imam would be likely to take issue with - although their explanations of the causes would differ, as would their solutions.

Mostly I think your view is way off base because it just seems far too narrow.

It describes the view of a subset of a subset of people who only appear to have grown in number as the internet has provided opportunities for them to "find" each other on a global scale.

But as a prediction of a future trend?

I'm just not seeing any real evidence for it.

DaphneDK42 · 2019-01-20T02:23:23+00:00

How can MGTOW be the future? They aren't having any babies. By definition they can't be the future.

muddyrose · 2019-01-20T01:53:38+00:00

You are wrong for the one simple reason that humans are not rational actors and are ruled more by emotion than logic. The fact that in a few years we will all have a sea of free ultra-realistic VR porn does not matter to your average man because he seeks out emotional intimacy with a real human and no porn or robot is ever going to replace that ever.

Even if we fast forward to bots so realistic they look and feel exactly like real women, the guy still knows in the back of his head it's not real and he's only using the bot because he could not get a real woman to love him and this fact will continue to eat him up and make him depressed.

I mean look at the incel rants all over Reddit. They are not actually related to a lack of sex. They are by and large related to a lack of emotional intimacy. A robot is not going to fix this problem no matter how advanced.

The real future will be non-marital, more casual, monogamous relationships and cohabitation. This is already in progress.

TheBestRapper · 2019-01-19T22:33:40+00:00

No, the most influential impact on men in the future will be the prevalent blue pill ideologies that are broadcast through every media channel, social and cable, known to man. That level of influence is more powerful than some niche subreddit.

G5_Shadows · 2019-01-20T03:23:32+00:00

It sounds like dark times ahead if MGTOW is to grow that large. Idk how so many people will be convinced to live like that, but I would try to be as close to top 20 as possible as a man. Instead of just moping and declaring war. It makes people bitter. It makes societies unhappy. It's borderline dystopian, not to say the world is perfect but to just anticipate a loveless world is saddening.

kandyapplez · 2019-01-20T00:46:34+00:00

i love how in this new world you picture men will be going their own way while women just...what? sit there with their tits in their hands waiting for the leftover man to have them? even though women are pretty content to just live their lives in celibacy reading erotic fiction and forming social groups with their girl friends. if men ever go their own way en masse, itll be after women have already done so. we just don't need you that much lol

[deleted] · 2019-01-20T02:59:16+00:00

If western men go their own way, I'll do like the redpillers/pua's do and outsource my desires to foreigners. Just like how thai and vietnamese women are more appealing to the likes of Roosh V because of their extreme femininity, I'm outsourcing marriage prospects to men of Latino or Eastern European families. It's working pretty well for me, and Puerto Rican and Dominican men don't seem to be Going Their Own Way away from me anytime soon.

See, OP, I'm not mad at you for what you said, and I think part of it's right. But when you think in terms of masculinity and femininity, masculinity has to lead. If men want feminine women, they have to be masculine men. If yall just wanna go your own way... that's fine too I guess.

matrixpush · 2019-01-20T07:16:23+00:00

What's interesting is that it's actually gotten worse for most men in the current right-wing administration, when RP thought it would get better, or be "the answer" to feminism/progressive/social justice/whatever you wanna call the left.

Divide & conquer has been effective.

no_delay1 · 2019-01-20T11:38:38+00:00

I think you are spot on.

In fact, just look at Japan, they are already there.

Million-Suns · 2019-01-20T04:12:00+00:00

As a MGTOW I'd like to agree with you OP but I can't.

MGTOW men, even taking in account the technological and social evolutions you listed, will always be a tiny minority.

The power of the pussy is too strong and has ruled the world for thousand years. Only a few selected men have the willpower to emancipate themselves from that thirst that controls them.

Moreover, boys are constantly brainwashed by feminine messages, at school where the majority of teachers are females, and at home, where there is declining father presence.

Males are already second class citizens and I don't see that trend being reversed in my lifetime. There are too many whiteknights,simps, male feminists who also encourage and feed a redefinition of masculinity at the hands of women.

DXBrigade · 2019-01-20T00:13:26+00:00

I think marriage will decrease, just not because of MGTOW, rather involontary celibacy. And men aren't trapped with kids, men actually want to have kids.

CainPrice · 2019-01-20T01:04:11+00:00

I disagree. You make one good point but it's not enough to pave the way for the future. MGTOW is a fringe internet movement that seems very loud and proud on the internet but is not actually growing in the real world in any significant way. Men are still going to date and marry, the same way they always have. Details below:

"What can I do to please men/the man in my life" is an idea increasingly foreign to women.

Absolutely true. This is the biggest problem in modern relationships. A complete lack of gratitude from women. And while I wholeheartedly agree that the shoe sometimes goes on the other foot and -some- men are selfish assholes who suck at treating women well, the number of good men trying to please their ungrateful princesses far outnumbers the number of good women trying to please asshole men. Being a good man who treats his woman well is seen as baseline, bare-bones stuff that doesn't get the man any points. A man needs to do all of that -and- be awesome on top of it, not just be a good man. Being a good man is nice, but barely worth any points.

The kind of porn, videogames, tv shows, websites, etc available today blows away anything seen 20 years ago.

Whether or not this is true, it doesn't matter. Nobody is actually satisfied by porn over actual sexual and romantic success no matter how good the porn is. It's just a distraction people do to keep their mind off of the fact that they're losers, but any one of them would give up their loser lifestyle in a heartbeat for a real relationship.

The recognition that marriage and LTRs with women tend to skew against men's interests is spreading.

False. This is 99.9% an internet phenomenon. Most normal men outside of the manosphere date and marry just like they always did, or are too unattractive to have the option to date and marry. The fringe never-marry cohort on the manosphere is very loud in their corner of the internet, but is not and has never been in any position to become mainstream. Marriage is happening later due to economics, not men becoming more anti-marriage.

Everything is just too fucking expensive.

True, but this actually leads to -more- relationships instead of less. If a woman lives with you or if you get married, you have two incomes and one rent. You can take more trips and buy more shit.

Culture -- Feminism and leftism is too entrenched

True, but women aren't trying to outdo themselves, only other women. If the best man around has a bachelor's degree and makes 40k a year, a woman with a NYU law degree who makes six figures will still marry him if he's hot, because all of her friends will have shittier husbands. Women marry their best option and don't compare it to how they, personally are doing in life. They compare him to how other women are doing. If all of her NYU law degree friends marry losers but she marries a guy with a college degree and an office job, she's the winner.

If you have to be really bad ass in order to get your money's worth out of the SMP, only a fraction of men are going to pursue that and only a fraction of them are going to succeed. Meanwhile, the bulk of men are going to choose being lazy.

False. Well, true for 18-25 year olds, then false. Most men eventually grow up and get a job and live an awesome or at least passable life for themselves. Men who remain children past 25 and work loser jobs and play video games all day are the rare exception - extreme losers - and not becoming any more common. Nobody wants to be those guys. Whether or not they're getting laid for it. Nobody wants to be those guys, period.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-01-20T07:47:57+00:00

Typical MGTOW sour grapes fallacy. You are not the ones avoiding women, women are the ones avoiding YOU, and you made up a pathetic ideology to pretend you're the one in control.

Nothing is spreading, the feminists are not going away, there will not be a beta uprising. There is a single word to perfectly sum up this entire post but it's banned from the sub. I think you can guess it though.

hshsvdhsiabs · 2019-01-20T03:58:04+00:00

I think you’re forgetting that sex is not the main reason to be in a relationship. Most importantly, people want to feel loved and like somebody understands us. Otherwise, FWB would work perfectly well for everyone. I don’t think that the deep want for emotional connection is just gonna magically go away in 20 years because extreme feminism exists and you can order a realistic sex doll online.

yoyo01323 · 2019-01-20T02:12:34+00:00

It is bitter. But feminism is bitter and look at it now. I do think that repercussions will deal in a harsher results.

Dating. Good luck with that, cause I sure as hell am not dating men who are as bitter and hopeless as that bunch, I’m talking about the guys who are completely MGTOW. And don’t value women. I’m done with dating lol you either have to settle for; guys who enables stupidity, guys who are assholes, or be one of those women who says MGTOW is great. It’s better to not look for it anyway and focus on the best you can be, without being an asshole though.

In terms of lifestyle. I don’t know what it will look like. Maybe marriage laws will be changed ( which some kind of reformation is needed, that is fair for everyone). I see the upcoming generation being very scared of being what they’re being. So MGTOW is good for young boys to not feel bad about being a guy; but after that first heart break, being cheated on, divorce, or some leftist ideal fucking their job over. Bye bye stability.

Society needs balance. And the only way that ever happens is if the foundation is built strongly, with care and dedication. Valuing men and women are is the bases and foundation; and we don’t even have that down. This is part of the reason why society is fucked as far as the west goes. Scared to see what’s going to happen next.

Eartherry · 2019-01-20T03:47:13+00:00

The more men start doing it the more people are going to talk about it. That's going to be the nail in the coffin. Their argument is going to be picked apart and exposed for what it is, the last ditch effort of a formerly dominant demographic to force the focus back onto themselves. Why? A combination of entitlement and laziness. That demographic has made too many enemies for potential supporters to want live under their control.

InfamousComfort · 2019-01-20T06:30:03+00:00

While this could potentially happen, I doubt that the situation is going to be able to play out long enough. MGTOW reminds me of the Beautiful Ones in (i think) John Calhoun's experiment, and they were never a majority. The same conditions exist today in the West. Humans are more advanced than mice of course, but history gives us great examples of what happens when populism begins to take off. Peter Turchin models these sort of things, and he thinks that peak instability will occur in the next decade. Methinks that drug, porn, and food addictions have kept violence at bay until now, but shit is heating up. I expect protests, shootings, suicides, and addictions to skyrocket in the next decade. Not exactly MGTOW.

wereqryan · 2019-01-19T23:19:01+00:00

Expect a sharp increase in the number of men who are sexless (discounting directly paid sex), alone, and without any romantic relationships. Number of incels/MGTOWs will rise and we'll notice more and more men dropping out of school and society to live as NEETs playing videogames or glued to internet forums.

The number of single women without relationships will also rise as more and more men fail to satisfy their standards with the economy becoming harder to work in, but not as much as the rise in the number of men.

Regal_Newt · 2019-01-20T04:53:16+00:00

Women are becoming increasingly annoying. I'm not saying all, but the majority.

Completely subjective statement that you have no evidence for. Women have been becoming more equal, and therefore more self sufficient. Tbh it just sounds like you're threatened by women being your equal.

This is due to feminism fucking up gender relations, causing even non feminist identifying women to become infected with this vague sense that men are selfish, lazy boors who are taking advantage of them - and that they therefore need to complain a lot in relationships.

Yeah. So. Feminism doesn't even remotely do anything you're suggesting. Your fictional MGTOW idea of feminism does that. And again- it's more your victim complex from women doing their own thing and not waiting on you than a reality.

"What can I do to please men/the man in my life" is an idea increasingly foreign to women.

In a relationship you should always be thinking of how to make your partner happy, and partners- women included- still are. That hasn't changed. Outside of a relationship, why should we focus on making other people happy more than ourselves. Again, you're just bitter that women aren't waiting on you anymore and are actually doing their own thing.

Increasing availability of REALLY high quality entertainment, at dirt cheap prices. The kind of porn, videogames, tv shows, websites, etc available today blows away anything seen 20 years ago. With all this VR porn, AIs making fake celeb porn for you, etc... the bargaining power of pussy is going to take a nosedive.

Firstly, a screen doesn't replace the real thing. Secondly, you REALLY overestimate how much women care about the "bargaining power of pussy." The vast majority of women don't want to be with someone who, consciously or unconsciously, view sex as a bargaining chip.

That's not even talking about sex bots. If THOSE ever truly take off, then gender relations will quickly become an unrecognizable wasteland populated by female incels.

Yeah none of us are worried about this. It's really only incels who are interested in the dolls and the overwhelming majority of men want sex with actual people over a doll, or are outright turned off by dolls. Likewise, as a generalization, women tend to be turned off by men who use sex dolls. Make of that what you will. Not saying it's necessarily fair.

The recognition that marriage and LTRs with women tend to skew against men's interests is spreading. The Redpill worldview is gaining more traction despite media's intense antagonism towards it (didn't stop Trump). More men are abstaining from rushing in to marry chicks just because she popped out a baby. Marriage rates are dropping. Male birth control will happen within a decade, meaning no more getting trapped by a kid. It took a while for men to catch up with the realities of the market and stop being simps, but it's happening.

Marriage happening less doesn't mean relationships are happening less. Just means that marriage is not the kind of relationship that people are doing as often. Also, male birth control is good for everyone, feminists and other women included. Lastly, not getting married just because you had a kid isn't a MGTOW exclusive idea. It's kinda just common sense. The relationship is about you. Not the kid. No kid will be happy with parents who dislike each other.

Everything is just too fucking expensive. The upper middle class lifestyle that is marketed intensely at women, that many of them crave, is becoming unreachable for the average western family. The middle class is disappearing across the globe thanks to globalism, automation, etc. When 90% of people are lower class, lower class values will become the norm... and that means more broken, single mom-led families being supported by the welfare state while men live out one giant extended adolesence. Not like there's much else to do when there are no meaningful jobs (other than drug dealer/gang member) in your community.

You do realize that getting married/ moving in together and having two incomes is actually promoted by this, right?

Culture -- whether it be in the sphere of dating, politics, sex, marriage, or whatever -- is not going to shift back in favor of men any time soon. Feminism and leftism is too entrenched, and women don't have a strong biological impulse to seek out men for anything, be it sex or relationships - they can essentially live without men for extend periods of time, rather than be pursuers. Women also struggle to lower their standards... the lack of eligible college educated men has created angst and disappointment among women, rather than a lowering of standards. That means women will still be demanding the same dreaded 6-6-6 (six pack, six feet tall, six figures) for decades to come at least.

So, by your own admittance, you're just bitter that women aren't fawning over you. Also, there is not, nor will there ever be a lack of women interested in men, and we're not nearly as stuck up and obsessed with looks as you seem to think.

TRP, while laudable in a sense, is by definition inaccessible to the majority of men. Not everyone can be alpha (or no one would be). Furthermore, the kind of lifestyle TRP espouses (building "value") doesn't appeal to everyone. If you have to be really bad ass in order to get your money's worth out of the SMP, only a fraction of men are going to pursue that and only a fraction of them are going to succeed. Meanwhile, the bulk of men are going to choose being lazy and doing whatever the fuck they want with their free time.

TRP just gives standard dating advice mixed in with some fable about non existent alphas and bettas and the non existent differences between them. MGTOW, much like you, don't go their own way and just sit there and sulk about women. Don't give either too much credit.

Nobodykers · 2019-01-20T01:56:02+00:00

MGTOW 'genes' will die in a single generation. There is always men thirsty enough to fuck or lonely enough to take any deal. Those thirsty genes will be the only male genes remaining in a matter of generations if MGTOW ever became an epidemic.

cxj · 2019-01-20T07:23:58+00:00

Tbh I think we will see mass male suicides in the future

CrestfallenWolf · 2019-01-20T09:13:21+00:00

Accessible male birth control will not be a thing within a decade. IDK how much money I've made off taking that bet every year. Easy money.

ManTerrupter · 2019-01-20T18:55:28+00:00

There are a ton of benefits in feminism for men. I fully support feminism for the following reasons:

WOMEN DO WORK

Women feeling empowered to work is good for men because it removes the highly toxic expectation that men become financially responsible for women in exchange for sex and 'love'. Women eschewing marriage is good for men as marriage was really only ever a means of men financially supporting women, like children, in exchange for sex. Still today, many women view men's worth by their ability and willingness to support and protect women. Many women avoid marriage to men that are lessors financially, which is a clear indication of their toxic notion of men as providers and protectors of women (women's financial slaves and human sacrifices).

WOMEN DO WAR

Women enlisting in combat roles, potentially resulting in fewer male combat deaths, is good for men, because traditionally men's lives were/are still sacrificed for women's and their state husbandry's safety and welfare (again human sacrifice). Traditionally, women and the state socially conditioned men into disposability on women's behalf. That's gynocentrism in its most pure and anti-male form. Women should fight and die for their own rights rather than disposing of men for the same.

WOMEN DISROBE

Women feeling 'empowered' to take nude selfies or engage in paid porn and posting the picture and videos online is good for men. Men are primarily visual when it comes to sex and can easily satisfy themselves sexually with naked pictures and videos of women, freeing themselves from potential false accusations, STDs, unwanted pregnancies and state mandated financial obligations (forced wealth transfer) that quite often result from intimate physical relationships with women.

WOMEN PAY TAXES

Obviously, women paying taxes is great for men as women share the tax burden which was traditionally shouldered entirely by men. Men were socially conditioned (shamed) into becoming women's providers & protectors, which is anti-male, pro-female cultural brainwashing at its worst.

WOMEN TEND THEMSELVES

Women providing for and protecting themselves is obviously good for men as it makes women more responsible and accountable for their actions and doesn't use men as human sacrifices, human shields and walking ATMs.

WOMEN GET EASY

Women feeling empowered to have free and easy sex outside of marriage is good for men, though men then face the same unwanted potential pregnancies, false accusations, etc that come with risking intimate relationships with women.

WOMEN FINANCE THEMSELVES

Women choosing artificial insemination, career and single motherhood couldn't be better for men as women's bodies and choices are then completely women's physical and financial responsibilities, not men's. Their body, their choice, their responsibility.

So you see, there are many benefits in feminism for men and if explained in the correct way will have many a man supporting feminism and escaping toxic gynocentrism, male disposability and the destructive expectations placed upon men by women and their all too often anti-male gyno-state.

[deleted] · 2019-01-20T23:34:18+00:00

MGTOW = Mice utopia experiment by John Calhoun

purpleppp · 2019-01-22T00:03:21+00:00

You're ignoring the effects of international competition. An anti-natalist philosophy is not going to thrive for obvious reasons -- people who hold the views generally don't reproduce, and civilizations with birth rates too low are not going to remain superpowers. Unless artificial reproduction will be big enough to offset it. Still I'm not convinced that single parent households will do well.

Tornado_of_Niggers · 2019-01-19T22:49:42+00:00

Possibly. The concept of "involuntary celibacy" has been floating around, but it terms of LMS, emphasize the M, and what we really have involuntary poorness or involuntary equality. Most sane people and MGTOWs will tell you that the idea of raising children in America or Western society sounds like an absolutely difficult nightmare. And the people that go through with raising children validate that claim.

We have a shrinking middle class, which really means a lot of intelligent people are entering poverty and aren't going to procreate, let alone raise children. It's actually an existential crisis in terms of one's personal legacy. Do you want your lineage to end with you? Do you care? And if you had children would you be able to raise them so that they too had children? If you couldn't raise children that were capable of raising their own children, what right do you have in having children at all? You should already be aware that the Silent Generation and Boomer Generation left a much more difficult world for Gens X, Y, & Z. And that it's shaping up that breeders among Gen X & Y are leaving behind an even more difficult world.

theDukesofSwagger · 2019-01-20T03:36:41+00:00

You somewhat (maybe unintentionally) frame it as though men have to choose a lifestyle. I agree with what you say and believe it will play out as so. But only that it will happen naturally, without knowing to most people.

wtffellification · 2019-01-20T08:56:42+00:00

Considering the 80/20 rule...

The 80% of men either A) improve themselves B) believe and hope for the light at the end of the tunnel, or C) kill themselves

MGTOW is just as much a "choice" as voting for the least shitty president.. is it better not to vote? Some would say so. But most people vote anyway

Even if you don't identify as a MGTOW (because this limits your life's potential and, frankly, because most people who identify as a MGTOW are bitter, sad chumps...) if all your actions indicate you being a MGTOW than, well, what the hell, right?

[deleted] · 2019-01-20T13:02:08+00:00

Cant wait for the future.

[deleted] · 2019-01-21T03:43:02+00:00

women don't have a strong biological impulse to seek out men for anything, be it sex or relationships

What makes you so sure of this?

FrustratedLogician · 2019-02-17T10:16:42+00:00

You don't really go full-MGTOW. The problem I see is that you still pay taxes: money is used to subsidise poor women choices fucking attractive men, ending up with a spawn. So, you are still cucked by other men, who designed the tax system. You cannot run away from being exploited, one way or another. I hope to be wrong about this but my thought experiment led to this conclusion.

Single-man-33 · 2019-03-31T00:38:58+00:00

MGTOW is growing at a rapid pace these days, and getting much stronger Nationwide. Feminism is much worse than cancer now, and there is no Cure for it at all unfortunately. A lot of feminists that really hate us men altogether since they really are very mentally disturbed to begin with. And most women in the past were the very complete opposite of today, and Real Ladies as well. A man would have to be real crazy to get married to one of these very pathetic loser women now as well. GO MGTOW.

[deleted] · 2019-04-27T09:15:43+00:00

We're living in a period of false conciousness, like Marx predicted.

goddamnADHD · 2019-01-20T02:09:34+00:00

As someone who is probably MGTOW, I would say no. Women adjust and tolerate things that they used to shame because the alternative is no men.

We saw this happen with video games, it'll happen for other things

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goldmedalflower · 2019-01-20T14:06:42+00:00

You gloss over the power of pussy and how men, young men especially, will always lust after women.

doctor_awful · 2019-01-20T22:19:37+00:00

I like women. Nearly nothing of what you talked about is relevant to most of the women I know. Either leave the basement or get to know some better women.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-01-21T16:30:40+00:00

Men Grabbing Their Own Willies: "hurr durr, we are going away for good, women will cry, woo!"

women: finally!

Men Grabbing Their Own Willies: w-wait, you are supposed to be desperate now!

Women: we arent as desperate as you. bye felipe!

GayLubeOil · 2019-01-20T04:33:51+00:00

The market readjustment will be the replacement of women who are vulnerable to feminism with Senioritas and نساء

Dash_of_islam · 2019-01-20T00:34:35+00:00

Why wouldn't it remain a friend movement.

Like women obviously grabbed feminism because who doesn't want the same benefit as the other sex. Feminazis are rare, and the whole child free thing would probably get bred out of humans pretty fast if their Gene's are not getting passed on as much unlike before when everyone had kids.

Maybe there will be a masculinism movement that pushes back and we get true equality.

But I think crazy MGTOWs and Feminazis will remain a fringe group that probably won't get too much traction and remain a laughing stock for everyone who is normal

Iceklimber · 2019-01-20T01:52:58+00:00

The world is diverging

OP you are right in the sense that some men are going their own way, I sure am due to the perpetually escalating legal nightmare. Others will elect this lifestyle due to boons like realistic robo waifus

This in turn will create an artificial male scarcity. Women will step up their behaviour to compete for those men who remain. Glorious prospects.

goddamnADHD · 2019-01-20T15:54:04+00:00

IT jobs and jobs involving working extensively with software/computers are increasing in numbers.

Women absolutely HATE jobs where people have to work with software. That's another thing.

How long CAN a LTR be when the woman honestly hates your job & hates most of your hobbies (esp. if they revolve around computers) ?

gunbusterxl · 2019-01-21T00:19:18+00:00

*facepalm*

MGTOW is a simple life decision: women are not worth the headache and it's better to focus on yourself. The logic is sound. The results are sound. Honestly, the ONLY thing I have against MGTOW is that its members just flat out refuse to move on with their lives. It's like some spoiled kid who runs away from home to "teach his parents a lesson." You've made your decision. Now go your own fucking way.

Title	CMV: MGTOW is the future
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