why do terpers act like trp is so scientific when it is all based on heuristics, anecdotes, and debunked/non-replicated studies?

Yonderlander · 2018-10-28T23:26:13+00:00

Am I to believe that humans are the only animals in the entire world where the male and female of the species don't have characteristics specific to each sex??

If I say that a female peacock will be more attracted to a male with a large plume, is this APALT?

It's not that hard to come to the conclusion that the female of the human species responds to sexual stimuli differently than the male.

It's also not sexist to say that females and males have attributes that largely correlate to each gender.

Ladyofblades · 2018-10-29T02:13:18+00:00

Humans tend to want to create their own narrative to get meaning and validation out of chaos when reality doesn't adhere to the neat little boxes and building blocks we want it to. Otherwise it would mean accepting harsher truths and more personal responsibility than they can handle.

NalkaNalka · 2018-10-28T22:33:30+00:00

TRP is not based on studies.

People really seen to have trouble grasping this concept so let me repeat:

TRP was not created by reading studies

The red pill was created through a pragmatic collaborative effort of trial and error, observation and inference, seeing what works and what doesn't.

Then after all the core concepts had been laid out different people would be like "oh hay look I found this study that agrees with with x practical red pill concept"

Once a whole bunch of those studies had accumulated a few navel gazing gammas had to soapbox their grand "scientific theories" about sex.

Ugh.

Electra_Cute · 2018-10-28T22:36:48+00:00

Because using the word “science” or “scientific” makes it appear more credible.

Nodoxxintoxin · 2018-10-29T11:16:03+00:00

The more I’m exposed to TRP, the more cult like it seems, right down to the sociopathic leaders.

nadirian · 2018-10-29T03:18:36+00:00

the standard of proof is so unrealistic. you do realize that the entirety of academia is ideologically against publishing anything with these sorts of implications? Do you expect us to buy a university and run studies ourselves or some shit?

Eastuss · 2018-10-29T08:17:03+00:00

Incel

Goes on TRP

Applies the universally accepted self improvement shit

Denies theories about interactions with women and how women think

Still an incel

Weird when it happens isn't it?

Mr_White119811 · 2018-10-28T22:32:47+00:00

I just don't seem to buy the red pill, and I am wondering why so many seem to gravitate towards it when it really is just a collection of self-improvement techniques and circlejerk over biased anecdotes and heuristics that aren't scientific or logical in anyway.

Improving ones dating life - no other self improvement really focuses on that or brands as that. I know there is more to TRP than just dating and sex. But that was what the catalyst was for me. I knew my dating life sucked. Things like meditation, lifting, etc, I knew about. But never really thought it would affect dating like it did.

Also, my experiences from Dating (before discovering TRP) involved many experiences that TRP and PUA explain, which when adjustments are made, no longer happen.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-10-29T00:09:46+00:00

Because the science they are talking about is biology not made up stupid non science sociology studies

RadChadswell · 2018-10-29T01:05:37+00:00

The true things from trp like lifting/self-improvement/confidence are things you can get from any self-improvement and not just from trp.

This is why most men don't need TRP.

It helps some because some people seem to need systems and heuristics and instruction manuals to be able to handle dating and basic social interactions.

daveofmars · 2018-10-29T01:29:02+00:00

Heartiste has a whole category of scientific findings supporting his various claims which go back to the articles they source.

Which ones are debunked, nor replicated, or misleading?

[deleted] · 2018-10-29T13:00:08+00:00

Hum... why would you think is that so?

I have to admit, most studies published in TRP about biology are flawed, and so are their anecdotal stories, but they still have some solid academic theories to sustain their hypotheses, at least in the economic and behavioral psychology side.

AF/BB for example is based on value theory, barter theory, price theory, and game theory, the same theories that sustain the area of economics. Even if you do not consider TRP, by mixing those theories you end up in something closely resembling AF/BB .

AWALT on the other hand has many things related to biology, which I cannot attest, but in the social side, it seen related to sticky 'wages'(not wages, but you get it), depreciation, self-serving bias and value theory. Which do not make a AWALT by default, but can get you a great way into it.

Like I said, i do not know about the biological side, or non behavioral psychology, but their hypotheses have a solid standing on economic theory. It is unfortunate that those hypotheses are just that, hypotheses, as there was little research on proving said hypotheses, but TRP is young and academic feminist bias is fading, I hope to be able to publish some findings in a decade or so.

Again, I can show you the relation of TRP to economics, and I can show you the little research it was already made, would that help?

Sorry about the bad English.

killallthenarcs · 2018-10-28T22:42:11+00:00

Most of them aren't real original. Imagine if you divide people very roughly according to two variables... are they STEM focused or are they arts/people focused, are they plodders or are they inspired? TRPers for the most fit firmly into the plodding STEM types quarter of the chart. Because they are plodders they ain't got jack shit of their own in the way of original thought, it is mostly stolen or borrowed or begged or cajoled or learned from others. They are incredibly dependent on going to others for help when there is a situation they are having trouble understanding. If they've solved very similar problems they are fine but when those methods don't work even after long examining of the material and it takes a bit of original thought, they struggle, and if the matter is arts/people focused they got less than nothing even if they struggle, they are more inclined to come up with wrong answers and not even tell they are wrong and get into trouble that way.

To solve dating and interpersonal problems other than of the most simple kind they have to go to someone. They can't so easily mull it over for twenty minutes and eventually get a genuinely new idea they've never thought of before that explains everything and indicates a path of action.

Because they are so dependent on the rest of humanity for help, and because TRP has offered help that makes them have good feelings about the answers it offers, what they really want is for everyone to believe TRP so that they can go get TRP advice from just about anyone, not just the online dudes of whom only a few are original thinkers and who totally refuse to deal with certain difficult issues except to dismiss them, who mock freely, who don't answer if they don't wanna. What they want is their mother, their father, their brother, their sister, their boss, their best friend, every man and every women they meet to believe in TRP, so every person in their lives will give them advice they find as emotionally satisfying as TRP advice, only with the added benefit of it being face to face so just saying flip dismissive things is not an option and so that people who actually care about them and can be face to face nagged to help can be accessed for TRP advice.

So they proselytize TRP at every chance even though it is bullshit it feels so good to them they feel it is the only bright spark of hope for them. And what do they feel is their trump card when faced with attempting to argue someone into believing bullshit? They pull out arguments they've already heard (hence all the tedious rewordings of things like AF/BB) and if they face resistance to those arguments they pull out the "It is scientific!" card. That's because they've got buckley's and none in people focused arguments when anyone takes them "out of book" they are just that shitty and unoriginal when it comes to people stuff. They bite back by insisting it is science.

It is like a really dumb religious person going to a smart atheist and saying "I want to convince you of the existence of God because we could do with a smart person like you on our team... now listen to my well founded and thoroughly logical argument... God exists because it is written in the Bible!" Stupid as a cereal bowl made out of dried poop, but you can't convince them of that.

stats135 · 2018-10-29T00:00:45+00:00

An example would be someone posting a field report of a woman doing something "awalty" and everyone just responding yeah, yeah awalt based on an unconfirmed anecdote from some random terper on the internet.

AWALT is an assumption, not scientific statement of truth. It's not like women walk around town with what it takes to get her to have sex with you printed in bold on her t-shirt. You have to make an assumption. To be efficient, you have to use the statistically most likely assumption and treat AWALT. Will other methods work? sure. Will they be the most efficient? Definitely not.

I lifted and have been focusing on my own improvement before trp. The true things from trp like lifting/self-improvement/confidence are things you can get from any self-improvement and not just from trp.

I just don't seem to buy the red pill, and I am wondering why so many seem to gravitate towards it when it really is just a collection of self-improvement techniques and circlejerk over biased anecdotes and heuristics that aren't scientific or logical in anyway.

Here is a question for you, what is self-improvement? My definition is that I improve my self to benefit myself. Way too many sources of "self-improvement" improves you but only to benefit others. I see that same issue with you right here. You say you lift and focus on improving yourself but you also state that you are an incel. Why is that? You improved yourself, but failed to make that benefit yourself. Your version of self-improvement might make you look better. But that only made you better eye-candy for the benefit of the people looking at you. It didn't benefit you in getting you laid.

There needs to be a unit of measurement for "improvement." Mine is sex and money. I want sex and money. I invest time, effort, and money into obtaining these things. If I get sex and money in return then I "improved" if not then I didn't. Sure, I became more education, or more attractive, and more productive, but that is just a means to an end. If that education, attractiveness, and productivity doesn't translate to making me more money and sex, than I wasted my time and effort. TRP keeps me focused on my goals, in a way that few other sources of self-improvement can provide.

WhatIsTheMeaningHere · 2018-10-28T23:03:01+00:00

Get a hooker my dude and bang some fat chicks from tinder. All you'll need for the tinder profile is a picture of your back if it's muscular. That's all I needed for dem fatties.

reluctantly_red · 2018-10-29T00:35:06+00:00

Crowd sourced analysis can be just as valid as a lot of social science research (much of which is less than rigorous).

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SlimLovin · 2018-10-29T12:23:44+00:00

Because it's all they have.

RedPill-BlackLotus · 2018-10-29T15:20:05+00:00

Ita academic suicide to do any work that critiques feminism or woman in general. Look at the shit show trp movie that woman made gined up.

Why would anyone ruin their career like that.

[deleted] · 2018-10-29T20:02:04+00:00

Do you have some great alternatives?

It's a pretty big male supported magnet, as flawed as it might seem. I think people are drawn to it like anything else, because of exposure to it vs an alternative that suits them better.

SasquatchMcKraken · 2018-10-29T20:57:39+00:00

It's a reaction to a dominant narrative which holds that human attraction is entirely rational. It calls bullshit on that. Are there people who overreact and deny any rationality (and by extension supposedly irrational things like loyalty)? Absolutely. But it's ultimately an exercise in shifting the Overton Window in a more sane direction. It's up to you to pick out what's bullshit (like AWALT where T=sociopathic harlotry) and proceed accordingly.

anuser999 · 2018-10-29T21:22:25+00:00

Can you prove your claim on their studies being "debunked"? I've found quite frequently when someone says something right-leaning is "debunked" they can't actually provide the research that disproves it. Just calling something "debunked" isn't actually debunking it.

larrythetomato · 2018-10-29T21:59:49+00:00

You are making this assumption:

Scientific is defined as agreeing with the current published scientific literature.

Which by this definition nothing gender related that doesn't fit the narrative is unscientific.

The most important part of red pill is going out there and testing it in your environment.

An example would be someone posting a field report of a woman doing something "awalty" and everyone just responding yeah, yeah awalt based on an unconfirmed anecdote from some random terper on the internet.

TRP sub is useless to anyone who is starting out. Because of how reddit works, there is a bias towards posts that make you feel angry. Because anger begets action, and action begets the most valuable currency every: reddit up votes. You won't be able to filter out the nonsense, so you might assume the highly upvoted posts are the most relevant. Anger will get you into a gym, but won't get you a girlfriend.

I just don't seem to buy the red pill, and I am wondering why so many seem to gravitate towards it when it really is just a collection of self-improvement techniques and circlejerk over biased anecdotes and heuristics that aren't scientific or logical in anyway.

There are harsh truths in the world that you have to navigate while acting as they don't exist. But knowing that they do lets you navigate around them.

circlingldn · 2018-10-29T22:31:42+00:00

Those anecdotes are more scientifically valid than the whole ssri industry

Mickusey · 2018-10-29T00:32:32+00:00

It works for them

Most TRP members are or were virgins much later in their life than normal people. I’d wager there is a much higher population of autistic and otherwise socially inept people on TRP than a typical person you see irl

My point here is that the advice some find on the red pill is extremely effective for extreme cases of loneliness and failure; you’d be hard pressed to get some kid who was fucking chicks in high school at parties when he was 16 spouting red pill stuff (insofar as theories about women, sex, and dating. As you said self improvement and confidence is obvious advice that can be found universally).

[deleted] · 2018-10-28T22:18:57+00:00

I just don't seem to buy the red pill, and I am wondering why so many seem to gravitate towards it when it really is just a collection of self-improvement techniques and circlejerk over biased anecdotes and heuristics that aren't scientific or logical in anyway.

Because its a better message than the message disseminated by feminism. The TRP view point better than the alternatives.

mistresswhat · 2018-10-29T02:46:23+00:00

Because they are morons who have convinced themselves that they are very smart, and facts that conflict with their worldview make them feel like they might not actually be very smart, which makes them uncomfortable.

If you ask yourself, "hmm, what philosophy would a bunch of really dumb misogynists come up with?" and work back from there you'll invent TRP.

[deleted] · 2018-10-29T02:16:19+00:00

Educate yourself and maybe in 3 years you will no longer be an incel

weag5l · 2018-10-28T23:21:44+00:00

terpers?! You know what a TERP is, right?

Million-Suns · 2018-10-29T00:12:57+00:00

I just don't seem to buy the red pill, and I am wondering why so many seem to gravitate towards it when it really is just a collection of self-improvement techniques and circlejerk over biased anecdotes and heuristics that aren't scientific or logical in anyway

TRP never really claimed that their observations were scientific. It's a compilation of empirical evidence.

I think it's haters who made that claim, based on the Mystery Method of the early 2000's. This method broke down seducing tactics in levels with bosses to beat like in video games.

But there again the debate goes beyond TRP. Are human sciences such as psychology and sociology really sciences?

Title	why do terpers act like trp is so scientific when it is all based on heuristics, anecdotes, and debunked/non-replicated studies?
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