Original context: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9fmqzg/i_see_a_lot_of_mrpmrb_women_here_with_a_totally/e5yfwg5

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My suggestion that I came out with, which was disregarded by mods at the time was the following adaptation to rule 10:

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10. No incel content

And by this, we do NOT mean informative discussion about sexual / romantic isolation but uninformative "woe is me" shit-posting, civility, or obscene zealotry.

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Here is my case why the design and / or culture of PPD needs to change in terms of it's attitude towards the sexually and romantically isolated (assuming that short, readable posts are made by us, I'm not talking about text walls, etc.):

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  1. The main reason PPD wanted to get rid of incel content was because of zealotry: Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful People (SRUPs) are not incels

Incels have gotten a bad reputation the last few years and the following things have become associated with them which SRUPs do not want to be known for:

  • futilism (women might not give us all a chance but that doesn't mean we've given up on ourselves. We just realise dating is rigged against us but most of us are engaged in self-improvement regardless.)
  • passiveness (plenty of Good Men (GMs) are approaching women and making other kinds of efforts to become acquainted with women, including clubs and societies, social networking and occasionally engaging in city nightlife and cold approach although that is not exclusively how we go about dating given the ineffectiveness and social awkwardness of the strategy)
  • lookism (plenty of GMs falling behind in dating are better looking than average so we already know that face, height, frame, etc. are not the sole reasons we are single)
  • hating all women (we do have our frustrations about dating and the way some women are able to get away with treating men. Women may have higher standards on the whole but we do not believe that is reason enough to hate them - see section 15)
  • lack of standards/involuntary celibacy (just because we are not ethically monogamous and just because we desire sexual relations it does not mean we do not have any standards whatsoever unlike a lot of the "truecel" community)

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2. Another reason PPD wanted to get rid of incel content is because they don't say much useful other than "cope rope hope" and "roasties just want to fuck Chad, JFL if you're a sub-8 subhuman in 2018": SRUPs can contribute to discussions on gender dynamics and sexual mating strategy in an informative manner

I explained how sexually / romantically unsuccessful people can contribute to discussions on gender dynamics and sexual mating strategy in an informative manner here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9jbioi/how_pill_theory_applies_from_virgin_perspectives/

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The tl;dr of that was explaining how SRUPs can contribute to an interesting and informative narrative on gender dynamics which informs a lot of the pill theory mating strategy as well as certain tenets about the usefulness about certain "advice giving" strategies.

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  • For example, they can explain why certain advice does not work for analytical men.
  • They can explain about limited success they had in dating like numbers, kisses and dates and that kinda thing (yes some of it could just be pity but then how do you know that a woman never gave you pity sex?).
  • They can explain about what other lifestyle stuff they are good at, which could be employed by an already sexually successful man, e.g. if an SRUP is buff as fuck, or if he is successful at career, etc., etc.
  • They can talk about gender related issues like feminism versus MRA
  • They can discuss other theory like how poor looks or autism might negatively affect your dating success and cite studies on that (all related to general pill theory)

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3. Not all experience is good experience anyway

  • If you slept with nobody but hookers, great but what do you have to contribute to pill theory over and above what SRUPs could anyway?
  • If you're parents set you up with a traditional arranged marriage, great but what do you have to contribute to pill theory over and above what SRUPs could anyway?
  • If you only ever got laid by betabuxxing and dating way below your league of attraction, you have to contribute to pill theory over and above what SRUPs could anyway?
  • If you're a woman and got laid frequently, great but that's easy for you: what do you have to contribute to pill theory over and above what SRUPs couldn't?

etc. etc.

My point is, SRUPs should be able to discuss without being ostracised because of lack of experience since 99% of the people ostracising us for our lack of experience really aren't ones to talk anyway.

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4. See Rule 9

Rule 9. Do Not Downvote

The demographics of PPD shift constantly, and downvoting can drive away minority viewpoints. This makes the community less interesting, creates less opportunity for debate, and destroys the neutrality of PPD.

As a result we ask that you not downvote while on this subreddit.

Note the important part: "minority viewpoints [make] the community [more] interesting, create [more] opportunity for debate, and [improve] the neutrality of PPD."

Topics pertaining to sexy and romantic isolation that contribute in the manner I've described currently constitute a minority viewpoint. It's important that we are not marginalised.

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5. The culture of PPD is shaming SRUPs because they think we are all incels when we try and join discussions here

In my discussion with u/TheGreasyPole he said that technically we are allowed to discuss Sexual / Romantic Isolation, the rule 10 there is just to keep away the unwashed masses. When I said to him misunderstanding about rule 10 leads to derogatory comments about SRUPs, by calling us "incels", etc. he said that they could bitch and moan as much as they liked but we wouldn't get banned for staying on topic. However, what he did not account for is that when this happens it leads to circle jerk discussions rather than interesting debate.

So here we can see that it was the case that rule 10 as it is designed now does not help with rule 3 as per the spirit of the sub:

3. No Circlejerking

The primary litmus test the mods use to determine if content is circle jerking is Does this offer something beyond rhetoric?

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And rule 10 would be just as effective for "zapping" incels with the modification as without anyway (TGP said they like that rule because it is useful for zapping incels).

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Tl;Dr

Allowing discussions pertaining to sexual and romantic isolation is not just inkeeping with the rules/design of PPD, it is in keeping with the culture/spirit.