Would following and being raised on Red Pill principles (Not the sub, but Red Pill) have prevented the shooting in Florida?

SmurfESmurferson · 2018-02-16T06:38:22+00:00

No.

No one who is mentally healthy plots out a mass murder, then commits it.

Someone who is mentally healthy recognizes unhealthy thoughts, unhealthy impulses, and finds a way to cope. Therapy, exercise, meditation, a hobby ... The vast majority of humanity can get through life without murdering multiple people in a day.

I've seen news stories saying that he just lost a family member, and trying to make a connection. I call BS. Do you know what I did when I lost my mother, completely unexpectedly? I drank too much vodka, I threw pillows, I cried, and I ended up on PPD so I could work out some of that anger.

Here's what I didn't do: gun down school aged minors.

orangecloverbud · 2018-02-16T07:15:53+00:00

was some issues with women involved.

I read that his mother died recently.

TheBookOfSeil · 2018-02-16T07:14:16+00:00

I don't think it's useful to discuss "what could've been." All we can discuss is what is happening, or what did happen, and I don't believe that this is a Red or Blue Pill issue.

yasee · 2018-02-16T06:12:59+00:00

This seems almost pointlessly unanswerable to me given how little information is available, but generally no, I don't think someone who had "issues with women" to the point of shooting up a school would have been diverted by exposure to the principles you listed

Il128 · 2018-02-16T13:31:43+00:00

America's problem is simple, you can get 50 rounds of 5.5 for about $20 and a used ar15 for $200.

prodigy2throw · 2018-02-16T06:31:54+00:00

Nothing could have prevented this except a law regulating the weapon he used.

orangecloverbud · 2018-02-16T05:57:21+00:00

The shooter was 5’7”, 130 pounds and ugly as sin. No. Next question.

nemma88 · 2018-02-16T09:51:29+00:00

I don't think so. RP principles push people away from empathy rather than towards. Lack of empathy and things moving outside your control anyway doesn't seem like a recipe for a good time. Pushing yourself to not care for people, just spinning plates and feelings of superiority your whole life is going to cause it's own mental health issues.

[deleted] · 2018-02-16T13:26:55+00:00

Redpill tactics will not work for omegas. At some point, we need to be honest with ourselves and accept the fact that a minority will remain omegas due to looks, no matter how much lifting they do, no matter how solid their inner game is. Things like shitty facial bone structure, very short height, or a very high-pitched voice are real barriers to dating success, and they're almost impossible to overcome unless they're willing to accept the provider role. The best that game can do for them is help them manage the pitfalls of transactional relationships. Triggering attraction is unrealistic for guys like this. These guys exist, and they're not a problem we can just conveniently sweep under the rug.

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AstuteBlackMan · 2018-02-16T07:03:25+00:00

There are feminists who are mentally ill. There are feminists who aren't mentally ill. There are red pills who are mentally ill. There are red pills who aren't mentally ill.

It comes down to wether you believe in nature vs nurture.

says_harsh_things · 2018-02-16T14:41:02+00:00

Ultimately the kid felt his life was over or not worth living in a normal way, otherwise hr would not have sacrificed his future to make his statement to the world.

If red pill teachings led him to value his own life and not want to make his statement and lash out at the world, then maybe, but i dont think we can answer that right now. Red pill teachings are not the only way to encourage someone to value their own life.

A good number of mass shootings are rooted in suicide.

93til1nfinity · 2018-02-16T18:08:27+00:00

I think we should look at the big pharms making a killing on depression medication. I havent dealt with it first hand but ive seen second hand consequences of it. That stuff is whats causing people to go crazy. You cant stop taking the stuff or you go bat shit crazy. No one is addressing this though because its doctor prescribed.

CousinMabel · 2018-02-16T19:57:51+00:00

Had he committed suicide and nothing else than yes I could see this possibly helping him since it is essentially a hobby with multiple satisfying goals which is shown to help suicidal males. However he went on a killing spree which is so incredibly different and not something any sort of hobby or movement could have prevented.

Some will disagree, but I am of the opinion that some people are just insane and there is not much you can do for them to make them normal.

[deleted] · 2018-02-16T20:00:12+00:00

Basically /u/prodigy2throw is saying that men are worthless gutter trash and they need to behave and live more like women. Two words: toxic masculinity.

Now, do I correctly understand the OP or do I exaggerate?

Priene · 2018-02-17T11:39:26+00:00

Maybe banning guns would have fucking prevented the shooting in Florida, no?

says_harsh_things · 2018-02-16T11:33:33+00:00

It's hard telling. Although it's pretty obvious there young men need some kind of male influence in their lives. Nearly every single one comes from a broken home. He was adopted, but finding info about his previous home life is hard to find.

It was also documented that he was bullied relentlessly by other students.

We have failed our young men as a society. But instead of addressing the issue of broken homes the left will go straight to a gun debate.

BearSaint · 2018-02-16T06:24:04+00:00

Oh but no mention that he's a psycho lefty antifafag and probably an Islamic radical.

Meanwhile I've got to listen to all these guys around here tell me all about how much they love Islam cause they can't get the pussy and are dreaming about killing us all.

I have a solution. Everyone carry a gun. When some psycho gets out of control shoot him.

Oooh wait this doesn't fit into your totalitarian state power fantasy where da gubmint makes you high status and takes from winners to give to you.

Durh just take every betafags gun away then you'll win. Cause we all know women hate criminals.

LewisCross · 2018-02-16T15:11:38+00:00

Yes.

The Red Pill saves lives.

If George Sodini had been red pill, he wouldn't have become a murderer.

If Eliot Rodger had been red pill, he wouldn't have become a murderer. (In b4 - "but but but he WAS red pill!!!!" No he fucking was not. He was on the old puahate site. He hated pickup, seduction, red pill, anything having to do the manosphere. He wasn't part of the manosphere and never was. He expressly REJECTED the manosphere.)

Red Pill saves lives. It saves marriages. It saves relationships. It saves boys. It saves men from enslavement to women. It saves men from marriage to women who hate them, use them and exploit them. It saves women from men they're not attracted to.

Red Pill saves lives.

Title	Would following and being raised on Red Pill principles (Not the sub, but Red Pill) have prevented the shooting in Florida?
Author	prodigy2throw
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Date	February 16, 2018 5:52 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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