CNN Rips Aziz Ansari Accuser, Calls Allegations 'Reckless and Hollow'

Cristoff13 · 2018-01-17T01:27:27+00:00

According to many feminists he and men in similar situations should have started the night off, before so much as kissing her, with a clear statement of what his intentions and plan for the night are, no ambiguity, something like "are you okay with having sex tonight? We'll start off with kissing, that ok? Then we'll get undressed. Then I'll give you oral, and then you give me oral? Then vaginal sex, of course I'll use condom."

How many women would actually enjoy hearing this at the start of the night. Would they be relieved by his honesty, or creeped out? Or do many women actually prefer a lot more ambiguity and mystery, even if doesn't completely unambigiously spell out consent at every stage.

Whisper · 2018-01-16T20:33:43+00:00

This is basically what I thought.

We are crossing a point now where even liberal, prominent women or groups are calling out these allegations. The sexual assault and harassment paranoia is going too far.

We are at the tipping point now. If CNN calls it out things are getting really bad.

Alth12 · 2018-01-16T20:57:41+00:00

What's going to happen when somebody finds a old IRC, or AOL messenger chain from a 16 year old in '99, and trashes a 34 year old now. For bumbling teen idiocy 18 years ago.

From the thread in the OP.

I'd be screwed.

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-01-16T22:04:11+00:00

Good. Women need to call this stuff out. It only hurts the movement of actual victims. Why should I believe what a woman says if I'm constantly fed lies within a movement.

Sad to hear but it's true.

caesarfecit · 2018-01-16T20:25:44+00:00

What we're witnessing is the death of the Metoo movement and a mass red-pilling as people realize that feminists are down with gender roles when it suits them and agin it when it don't.

passepar2t · 2018-01-16T19:44:57+00:00

I think some women are legit concerned that the Babe article is going to hurt MeToo and TimesUp in the medium term. Also, any reporter worth his/her salt knows that to give Ansari, the main subject, such a short time window to respond is irresponsible. Edit: hence the criticism from mainstream female writers.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2018-01-16T20:12:40+00:00

I don't know why anyone in their right mind thought that twitter activism was a good way to progress social issues.

TheChemist158 · 2018-01-16T22:18:01+00:00

This is something I've been thinking about lately. As someone that really wants to do right by the female community, but also wants to find love, I don't know where the line is between complimenting and harassing, or a proposition and misconduct. I absolutely don't want to push myself on anybody or be where I'm not wanted, but there's also a substantial amount of reliance on men to initiate everything from saying hi to asking for a date.

Sucks dude. Hopefully this trend of calling unwanted advances sexual assult will stop. But I don't think this is a case of feminists wanting men to "play the active role in seduction while simultaneously attempting to dismantle the same gender roles." It's a dude balking at the contradiction rather than endorsing it.

Happily been with my hardcore feminist girlfriend for four years. She liked me for a year and I never knew. Her excuse: "I baked for you a lot. And I wore really tight jeans. And I always did my makeup when I knew I was going to see you. And I would laugh a lot at your jokes. You never got the hint!"

Weird but without an idea of her views on male initation and sexual assault it's hard to say anything.

Scrolling through the comments most seem to be hating on the accusor and defending Aziz, though some say that he is bad with women. Not a whole lot new IMO.

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Electra_Cute · 2018-01-16T19:42:37+00:00

We need more Aziz Ansari posts... The media making a circus, what is new here.

[deleted] · 2018-01-17T01:54:35+00:00

With these sexual assault and affirmative consent etc issues there has been a big backlash brewing for a while. I haven't been following it closely but with the metoo thing it seemed like open season has been declared for accusations of harrassment. Obviously, attention-seekers and people looking for a pay out will jump on the bandwagon and eventually they'll pick on the wrong guy.

I hope that all of this will eventually lead to stronger rights for accused men. Anonymity until proven guilty, the ability to sue fals-accusers and the prosecution of false-accusers should all be pushed for.

[deleted] · 2018-01-17T05:41:07+00:00

this shit and cat person make me never want to speak to a woman again.

also THE CLAW

prodigy2throw · 2018-01-16T21:07:11+00:00

It’s clear that Aziz laid some good dick to SOMEBODY at CNN.

Also, it seems minorities are higher up on the victim totem pole than white women so he can’t be taken down by a white woman.

Now if a black woman comes forward and says this about him, he dead

DashneDK2 · 2018-01-17T00:51:02+00:00

So the "Babe" really got their money's worth of exposure now. Bet their income is going to skyrocket for this month. Wonder how their servers are holding out.

I can't reconcile the contradictions feminists have between expecting men to always initiate, "man-up" and play the active role in seduction while simultaneously attempting to dismantle the same gender roles.

Are there any meaningful number of such feminists in the real world though? The whole #metoo "movement" - never heard, seen or talked to a single person who has even mentioned it. Not a single pip on any social media I'm on. As far as I can see, it lives only on a certain insular intersectional segment of the media and Hollywood celebrity culture. It doesn't even seem to have moved to other parts of the celebrity culture, like the music industry or the art world.

[deleted] · 2018-01-17T01:03:06+00:00

A month ago the average plastic-eating, trash-heapingg, toxin-injecting fluoride marinated average Joe american asshat was almost ready to discuss how property hierarchy is necessarily exploitative and abusive.

So expect more of the Ansari-level bullshit to make it clear that nothing is wrong and let's save those poor powerful people from the scheming poor

Dumont777 · 2018-01-17T06:05:58+00:00

I think it's important to remember that everyone is affected by gender roles. Both women and men are still learning about what is and isn't acceptable. It's tricky and many individuals feel differently. It doesn't help that until recently sexual harassment was rarely talked about in open conversation, even between women.

I hope that eventually we will as a society move towards ideas about where boundaries lie.

pinkgoldrose · 2018-01-17T01:34:40+00:00

Happily been with my hardcore feminist girlfriend for four years. She liked me for a year and I never knew. Her excuse: "I baked for you a lot. And I wore really tight jeans. And I always did my makeup when I knew I was going to see you. And I would laugh a lot at your jokes. You never got the hint!"

Not what I would call a hardcore feminist! Baking, wearing sexy clothes and makeup, and waiting passively for him to make a move are NOT feminist things. She might be a hardcore feminist in her beliefs, but she used totally un-feminist strategies to get her boyfriend. She doesn't even seem to have progressive views on gender roles.

I can't reconcile the contradictions feminists have between expecting men to always initiate, "man-up" and play the active role in seduction while simultaneously attempting to dismantle the same gender roles.

The only contradictions are you confusing what constitutes feminism and what doesn't.

Expecting men to initiate - not a feminist thing
Telling a man to "man up" - not a feminist thing
Attempting to dismantle gender roles - a feminist thing

So a feminist perspective on the topic of who should approach would be that both men and women should approach and the expression "man up" is hurtful toxic masculinity that should be proscribed.

Also, when a feminist admits to asking men for sexual escalation by the way she dresses and puts on her makeup contradicts feminist consent talking points.

Yes, and that's why it is not a feminist thing at all. But you know, not everyone lives and breathes feminism in everything they do.

SlimLovin · 2018-01-16T21:08:12+00:00

You're obsessing over this story like it's the smoking gun (against women coming out against sexual assault, I guess? What a noble cause!) when it's one isolated incident. How do you justify being so intellectually dishonest?

Also, you should probably read up one what feminists actually believe instead of posting the same tired stereotypes every thread. It's getting boring.

Title	CNN Rips Aziz Ansari Accuser, Calls Allegations 'Reckless and Hollow'
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Date	January 16, 2018 7:29 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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