I know there is a bit of a divide in the amount of sexual partners that's "acceptable" for a woman. Some say none, some say between 3-8, some say just less than you, some don't care. To each their own, a woman's number count doesn't really matter to me, they'll all lie anyways. Personally, I don't mind women who have experience and can give good sex, I've taken virginities and it was always a bad decision that wasn't fun.
But if you ever, and I mean ever, find out that she did something with an ex that she refuses to do with you, drop her. Drop her fast and drop her hard. This goes from giving it up on X number of dates, to certain sexual acts that you want to do, to threesomes, to the frequency of sex. It is not only the #1 sign of being on the losing end of the AF/BB relationship, but it screams "Oh, well I felt I needed to impress and be good to them, but you seem easy enough that I don't need to put in effort." Do yourself a favor and move on to a woman who sees you as equal or better to the men who used to fuck her. Don't settle for being second best.
For the women who may be getting furious reading this, just imagine what it was like if you knew your boyfriend was rich. Imagine that he always brought his ex's out on really nice vacations, nice house, bought them really nice gifts, treated them like princesses, etc. But he refused to do any of that with you, he wanted to be frugal with you even though he has more than enough money to treat you. Wouldn't you feel a little bit weird about it? Wouldn't you question why you were different, why he didn't care to treat you the same? Why the sudden change?
The gender swapped version of this is men who spend more on their mistresses than wives.
Would you count the money I spend supporting my wife's lifestyle [not charging rent, buying groceries...] in that calculation?
Pfft yes. Last time I checked those cost money and she would be dead if you or someone did not do it for her.
We need a post on how much and how many resources we devote to our wives and families which then becomes a baseline expectation completely unconnected with their perceived happiness...
Sounds like the wifestitute videos Terrence Popp aka bad popp does. He breaks down the math & converts it (usually post-divorce) to dollars-per-bang at maximum-bangs-reasonable kinda level.
Men who spent more on their previous wife than they do on their current one would be more accurate.
would be that i ever find myself in that position
All I wanna know is, what's so bad about taking a girls virginity? I've only slept with sluts
This post is, generally, good advice. But I’d couch it with a few provisos.
For example, let’s say a girl tried a particular sex act with her last boyfriend, just once, and didn’t like it. It hurt. She didn’t enjoy it at all. It didn’t turn her on. It was a bad experience. She didn’t like it. She never did it again.
Obviously, you wouldn’t proclaim, “You tried X with your last boyfriend! Now you won’t try it with me. You clearly don’t respect me!” That would be stupid.
But if a girl did particular sex acts in the past with others, enjoyed those things just fine, but with you she wants a different kind of relationship. Those past relationships were fun, sexual, kinky, non-serious, and she wanted to get that out of her system, but now she wants a more serious relationship with you? Fuck that noise. She gave her full sexuality to her previous partners and is giving a mere portion of that to you, under the guise of complementing you by calling you a more serious partner? So you, a better, more loving partner that she cares about more and is more serious about experiences less of her sexuality?
But women compartmentalize like that. While it boggles us, it makes perfect sense to women. Every man is a different kind of relationship for a woman, and it seems natural to her to want one kind of relationship with one guy, and a completely different kind of relationship with you. She actually feels different with you. She actually doesn’t want that first kind of relationship with you. Those sex acts she enjoyed previously wouldn’t be enjoyable with you, because she’s having an entirely different relationship experience with you. – We’re smart enough to know that this signifies a lack of sexual attraction, a lack of respect, a lack of admiration, etc. But women don’t get that. In a woman’s mind, having a completely different sex life with a fun sex guy from the past, versus her husbands, is normal. (The plural use of “husbands” is intentional.)
The really fun times come when you have a woman who falls in that second category, that’s lying to you about her past. Someone who was all about the fun sex and loved every minute of it, but tells you it was just this one time, and she hated it and never did it again, so you don’t feel bad about her denying you and you never ask again. Screen your women well.
You answered my precise question before I asked it.
Spinning a plate that let her first boyfriend stick it in her ass. She hated it, and is 100% anti-anal.
On the one hand, fuck that because he went in dry and she should give it another chance. On the other, she was traumatized and understandably wants nothing to do with it.
Generally, I am of the mind that if you let your boyfriend try it - I get to. But physical trauma can be a game changer. I would be shocked if she has me pegged as a beta, given the fact she knows I see other women and is otherwise rambunctious in bed... but something isn't sitting right with me about this.
You got any thoughts, bro?
It's all about how you spin it. If you're getting that sex act elsewhere and she knows it, you're not really giving anything up. Yeah, you like that sex act, but it's not worth listening to a girl whine and complain. You just find a willing girl from all of your options.
If that's your attitude, you're fine.
Don't be a tool. 99.9% of time a girl says she was traumatized or had a bad experience, it is not legit trauma aka PTSD. Plus like you said, it can be modified (using lube for anal etc.). Also she should be able to get over that shit.
If she really is traumatized and "can't" do what you want, she's damaged goods, a broken woman. Next her. Doen'st mater whether it's "her fault".
In my experience, all women like anal just fine, as long as you build up enough attraction, and use lube.
All potential partners: Fuck Zanford in the ass, then do it again because if he didn't like it the first time and can't get over it he's broken goods (and if he liked it the first time, well, do it again for his sake!)
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0044111
Women's arousal level directly moderates their ability to be disgusted by certain sex acts.
Get her horny enough and she'll do ass to mouth enthusiastically.
I don't know I'd go that far. Some women just don't find the idea sexy. To be honest I don't like anal (I have a large penis which makes it difficult, combined with a natural aversion to shit) so if she saw my dick and said "no way that fits in my ass" I'm not going to rip her a new asshole just to make a point. I will definitely cum on her face and all manner of other dirty things of course.
This is what I needed to hear, bro. Appreciated.
Remember hamsters might try to hide their previous sex lives and partner count if they are looking for a LTR beta provider.
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As a trombone player I have an excellent segue into this.
Just make sure your girl is playing jazz, not classical.
what's wrong with classical?
The slides, turns, and falls really make the solo stand out. Don't even get me started on the growls.
Classical music is great, but on a rusty horn it's best to really get down.
for a classical rusty trombone performance the bitch needs to wait like 85 measures until her entrance. nobody got time for that
The song of your people?
Official instrument of the RP anthem.
God I hope not. Surely we don't all have to be in scat porn or some shit
That isn't part of scat, it's just a nice rimjob with a handjob at the same time.
just an example to illustrate. I assume on some of the german-esque stuff, I'm pretty plain.
Well, now I know what a rusty trombone is
Care the explain the metaphor please ? I don't really catch it
It's literal. You keep a trombone around and if she plays it, by golly she's a keeper.
Ignore captain dickface over there telling you to look it up yourself - it's just a slang term for a sexual act that little kids used to try to make themselves sound cool.
Well he's right, it's findable on google, I though it was a meta-joke or something more obscure than that that couldn't be found on the google. He's a jerk, but he's right
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Downvoted for a valueless comment.
Good post. The only thing I'd change is:
Don't need to justify anything to anyone.
It doesnt matter what women say about TRP. It also doesnt matter what women say about video games. Why? Because if they truly wanted change they would change the culture by providing a viable alternative. When was the last time you saw a woman write in a male friendly tone about game? When was the last time a woman tried to make a game that appealed to men?
Bayonetta, check mate Anita Sarcasian
Got boner. Checkmate Anita.
I'd be impressed if you got a boner from Anita though.
If she was naked, maybe involuntarily.
Shitlord saying you would rape her.
Quite recently, actually. A fair number of non-hysterical women work in gaming. Bayonetta was one, and I'm fairly sure there was a woman in charge of a good bit of Ubisoft's dev cycle. You just don't hear about them because they don't think games need to change.
Jade something I think. Worked on assassins creed games.
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You've missed the point of AWALT. It is impossible to make completely universal statements regarding people. Statments that say "All X is like this" actually mean "Enough members of group X fit this description to a sufficient level that applying it as if every member fit the description until such a time as it can be modified to the individual will yield the best results."
That's too much of a mouthful to write out every time, so we say AWALT. In a lot of areas it's called the 5th-95th percentile.
That, and the fact that AWALT is really pointing out a woman's psychological and biological makeup. Which means no matter how different we are as individuals, we are all essentially the same at the end of the day. That is true for all woman, hence, AWALT.
Amy Hennig. Creative Director of the Uncharted series.
but anitta sarkesian suggested making Ms. prince of persia...
Thats how game developent works right? say what you want, and nag until you get it.
It's worked for feminists so far.
if you're aspiring to be the male version of a femenist, you're in teh wrong place
Well, you could always just "win" with logic. In this case that's the only thing you need to show that this is correct. If I had done anal or light bdsm with an ex (for instance), and my current gf wanted us to do it, but I didn't, I would think she would have the right to be angry with me.
I do consider some sexual things different, like swinging stuff like threesums, as some relationships can have a more monogamous style than others. (for instance if I and a buddy eiffel-tower'ed a random girl some time, I wouldn't consider it fair of a later girlfriend to demand we eiffel tower her too, since it's a different kind of relationship than fwb or random hook up.)
What? No she wouldnt. You have the right over your body and what you want to do with it. If you're not comfortable with them or decide you don't like it anymore you have all right to not do it. If you're partner gets angry than they can just shut the fuck up.
I get it, RPers like sex. Fine. Whatever. But are you really going to blame a woman for not wanting to do something she might not really like, might've been pressured into? What if she doesn't feel comfortable with you do that (yet)? Wouldn't surprise me considering how rapey y'all come off as.
And no, you do not owe your partners to try something once again. Did anal, didn't like it? You don't owe them to do it again. Sure, maybe it would be different with a different person. But some people just don't want to do something again, whether it be a bad experience or just knowing they don't like it. I mean, it's one thing if, like, you get pegged. Since it doesn't really harm them. But still. If you're forcing someone to do something they're not comfortable with in the bedroom because 'well you did it beforeeee' you're a shitty person who doesn't deserve the other person.
I think you may have misunderstood one thing about what I wrote. I meant that the person did enjoy doing those things before, not that "oh you tried anal with a guy one time before, so you have to do it with me every day". I think the best example for this situation is oral sex. It's not that special like anal, and it's very much a "do something amazing for the other person and get little back"-situation.
As long as it's reciprocated by the partner, and you have done it many times before (so you are definitely comfortable with doing it), then there is no reason why a person would refuse to go down on ones partner. (other than thinking "it's too much hassle and I don't really care about this other person anyway")
...mmmm yeah that makes sense. Sorry.
Interesting point. There is a difference between a one off thing and it being on the reg.
If you try something and find you don't like it (bdsm, pegging, whatever weird shit people get up to), then the absolute most you owe future partners is to try it with them once.
If on the other hand, you are an anal fuckslut for previous partners, but a total prude with future ones who would like the fuckslut, you are a cunt.
Yep, that's what I meant. I like principles though, and I consider things that apply to women should apply to men as well and vice versa.
Yeah, principles should apply to both genders, and I was, but men and women are different, so that's not always true.
It did get me thinking though. If I engaged in something I didn't like for a girl, then didn't want to do it for the next girl, there is more than one issue raised:
I think it comes down to honesty in the end. If your girl tells you what she did, and that she doesn't want to do it again, then she has given you the respect of making your own choice whether it is a dealbreaker for you.
If, on the other hand, she hides it, and dodges around the issue, she has removed your ability to make a choice based on all the information. Quite apart form the disrespect of giving you less than Chads, she has massively disrespected you as leader, as a man.
To me, that is the unforgivable aspect.
well, we do know AWALT. that post last week about the chick getting ready to switch branches, and her SO of the time facefucked her then left... kept talking about how she didn't like this or that, but then complied instantly when he put a little base in her voice.
people don't like a lot of things, but put up with them because they get what they want (validation)
Got a link?
And they're free to do that. Doesn't mean their relationships aren't totally dysfunctional. If you love anal, and but your girl doesn't, because it hurts her or makes her feel uncomfortable (if she doesn't because you don't give her tingles, then your relationship is automatically dysfunctional/fucked), then you have to compromise or break up.
In a functional relationship, maybe she takes it up the pooper every now and then, or does some other filthy shit for you instead, or lets you buttbang another girl, whatever. The point is, you talk about it and work out a win-win solution.
In a dysfunctional relationship, this compromise is unspoken and a source of malcontent. Either she puts up with it, or you don't get what you want. The situation is win-lose.
http://fdrurl.com/rtrpdf
Well, sex-wise there's a bit of a difference between men and women. Women are much more likely to do stuff that they otherwise wouldn't do if they've got stars in their eyes for the guy (hello mousy girl who would do dirty things for the football captain but not for the nerd who ultimately dates her), so it's not a given that everything can apply to men and women equally. The world is not so black and white.
It can be in this case. It's just a simple ethical choice. Holding someone to the same standard you'd hold yourself to.
in that sense, it's a choice for many here... we already deal with the biggest teenager in theh room, no sense holding her to ahigher standard than you hold yourself up to, if we believe in the pragmatism here, we know full on thats a standard they aren't going to meet... ever
Quite the opposite, good sir. You can NEVER win with logic unless you're debating a guy.
It doesn't seem to be a justification but rather an explanation of why this is a rational thing to do, especially for those of us who are still brainwashed into thinking that demanding sex is somehow a cruel and misogynistic thing to do.
Were not demanding sex, though. You can't demand something you have no control over. Instead, we're setting ourselves up so the women want to have sex, and will be enthusiastic when we ask.
i understand but i dont agree. that justify is acceptable because he bring another good point about doing the same stuff with a girl like refusing to buy shits to her while he did buy lots of things to the ex.
What he has makes for an interesting analogy though. Framing the other side of these things can be informative even if there's no actual need to justify the claim.
How do you know what she did with other guys?
well if somehow it ever comes up. i've had a woman tell me what she did with her ex and it got to me. sometimes they just tell you, for whatever reason i don't know.
if you don't know what she did in the past, then it doesn't really apply to you until you find out (if that's what you want to do).
I never understood why they do this. I thought it was common sense to shut the fuck up about sex with previous partners. Apparently not. Maybe they're verbally tossing me their resume?
Personally I think it's a major shit test, but some guys here have said women like to brag because they think you will find them more attractive. The minute a woman brags about guys she's fucked or sexual acts, she's out the door. To me, there is nothing less attractive than a woman who will talk openly about sexual acts with people she doesn't know well. I don't talk about the girl who queefed on my dick last week, because I have basic social graces.
When women talk about that shit it comes off as too try-hard. Like they're just saying what they think you want to hear. It's like the little kid using curse words to appear older.
Like they think that flirting with another guy will make you like them. What works on them doesn't work on us. When they think that it does, it's called projection.
Maybe thats it. Smdh.
Yeah. In my experiences, they more they say regarding this, the deeper into plate territory they go.
That and it's like a guy bragging about how many girls he's Masturbate to on the internet.
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Nah. It works differently with men, depending on how its brought it and the purpose.
Women find men more appealing if they know other women want them. Matter of fact, if they feel you can't get women, they will dry up quick. You're only as desirable as other women deem you to be.
For men, we don't give a fuck what other guys think. We don't want to hear her resume of how many dicks she's fucked or even what she did with her one and only dick. All we want to know is what are they going to do for us.
But never just blatantly tell a chick. "Yeah. I'm fucking other chicks. So if you don't want to get left behind, you better drop those panties". It has to be subtle hints. But honestly, it really depends on your delivery. If thats right, you can get away with saying almost anything. Also, SMV has a large impact on what you can get away with.
I probe with questions like:
"What's the craziest thing you've done while having sex?"
"Where was the craziest place you've had sex?"
"Did you ever do _____, did you like it?"
Some guys do this as first date banter, others wait until they know her a bit more, whatever your style is. I think, the sooner the better.
If she doesn't give you an answer or goes "ummmm, nothing..." then egg her on a bit. If she's really got nil then share one of your stories (it doesn't have to be your craziest) then once you've opened up to her she usually tells you not one, but 2 or 3 crazy sex stories.
Remember:
– If you "barely" know her then smile and be welcoming the whole time otherwise she may feel uncomfortable sharing with you.
– Sharing one of your stories is an easy way to coax her.
– Even if she doesn't answer your question at this moment, the seed has been planted. You'll find her bring up the topic later down the road on her own accord.
So I'll be straight up honest. I don't know if I want to ask these questions because... the craziest place I've had sex that wasn't my bed, was a couch. You get the point. If I had more notches than a ladder on my bedpost I'd tell the stories but I don't unfortunately.
If I ask her what she's done and she banged on a roof over the police station whereas I have no crazy stories, doesn't that just backfire strongly and make my SMV take a hit? Help a bro out who's not gone farther than vanilla.
I'm in your same situation. In my opinion, who cares if she's done crazy stuff and we haven't? Be who you are, be proud of who you are. If her actions are a deal breaker than break it off. If they aren't go with it if that's what you want. If they think your boring oh well, be who you are and do what you want. There is always a time to go non-vanilla if that is what you want, someone who has been there before and is willing to go there with you can be a pretty good way to break your vanilla streak if that's what you want.
Just trying to picture the 180° from "So what do you do for a living?" to "WHAT'S THE CRAZIEST THING YOU'VE DONE WHILE FUCKING OTHER DUDES" question on the first meeting. There's an insane amount of insecurity in this thread. If she did shit with someone else that she won't do to you, there's probably a reason for it and you can't cure it with a round of sexual history questionare. That's a comfort issue. If you want to know then that's your own endgame but more often than not you're gonna wind up finding out nothing and ruining your chances. That can't be fixed with "You're uncomfortable and that's fine. I'LL START. OKAY SO THIS ONE TIME AT BAND CAMP."
Most women will try to maintain a chaste image in spite of the fact that most of them are very promiscuous. Females will generally try to disqualify men for a variety of reasons (too short, too fat, broke, has no job, has a low-paying job, lives with his mother, etc.). You'll see that for women, those are absolutely valid reasons for a woman to reject a man, but likewise, you will learn over time that a woman's promiscuity is a also a good reason to disqualify her.
If she's done other wild sexual things with other guys, chances are, she probably enjoyed it and it didn't happen just once. Attractive guys not only get girls, but they get girls to do "crazy" things with them. If you've ever had threesomes with two girls, you'll understand that it takes a great deal of attraction on both their ends. The thing about girls is, they like their boyfriends, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are attracted to them.... and in most cases, they aren't. He just happens to be convenient for her.
That's very clever and poetic but it has almost nothing to do with the premise of using someone's history almost against them as the thread vaguely suggests.
It has everything to do with the premise. A person's past is an indicator of their potential future. Same reason why companies often refuse to hire criminals.
If a woman rejects a man because he had a history of womanizing, you wouldn't question her intent.
You, along with much of society, wish to downplay the significance of promiscuity and past sexual history.
Oh bullshit. I'm not saying you can't care about it. I'm just saying unless you're Eskimo brother gives you a full resumé.. you have no idea what their history is. It's a pointless premise because it's an impossible premise. This is where this sub becomes hilarious bullshit. You have no answers for such dumb broad concepts and when someone asks you to elaborate you just give a whole bunch of dumb metaphors and criticize society. "A person's past is an indicator of their potential future." That's the dumbest shit ever man. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you can't get a beeg, you should be upset because you can't get a beeg. Not because you're cousin who drives a nicer car got one. If you want to justify your feelings because you know of someone's past and you're being treated differently than that's understandable. You move on and play another hand. That's all you can do though ma man and that situation is not going to come up very often. I don't know how this possibly applies to the message of the forum.
Your opening sentence is completely illogical, nobody would act like that. And while I understand your comment, you're coming at me with the wrong premise.
You won't believe the kinky shit I've talked to girls about on the first night I've ever met them. If your opening interaction is sexual then talking about sexual things isn't out of the ordinary. If your opening interaction is centered around "safe" topics like the weather, your job, and other mundane bullshit then of course you'll come off as creepy (unless you have Brad Pitt's SMV).
I don't ask these questions because I'm insecure; I ask them because I'm genuinely curious, and if a girl has done things that I enjoy doing then that's bonus points for her.
I clearly stated in my comment above "The sooner the better", but it's not necessarily 1st date material. SOME guys may use it as such and others may wait until later. You can pose these questions whenever you feel comfortable talking about this stuff.
I liked your American Pie reference
I don't think I outlined my point very well. It's certainly possible to talk about anything in the first meeting, including this.. but you can't really use any of it for anything more than conversation. It's not like you can then say welp.. if I can't get that too then I'm outty biznatch (you can obviously but you're just going to come off a bit whiny and insecure, which is really my point).
I think you missed the entire point of this post. It's not about insecurity, it's about not wasting your own time with a woman who isn't willing to do X with you for whatever reason (lack of respect for you, doesn't find you attractive enough, etc).
So what's the point then? In this situation, what is X? What if she has a valid reason for not doing X? What if she didn't enjoy X and just doesn't want to do it again? There's a difference between being a young dude out for his own interests and being a disrepectful little prick who doesn't care about anything as long as he's "a fucking alpha!" You should care about these matters because it's what you want, not because someone else got it and you're mad that you can't have it too. That's adult kindergarten shit
For the life of me I cannot understand how this reply gets 16 points. If a woman is willing to do something sexually for someone else, and not for you, it's because she was more highly attracted to that "someone else". ie more alpha, than she was you. The woman who complains about TMJ with you will happily go down and suck brad pitt off to completion and swallow it even. I don't think it's an insecurity thing, it's more of a barometer check. And if you aren't getting the sexual satisfaction you want, I think you either need to ramp up the alpha, or find someone who will.
"Ramp up the alpha". Adorable bro. You're missing my point. You will never ever actually know what the hell she's done in the bedroom. Even if you did, you can't fucking "turn the alpha on" and get her to do something she doesn't want to do with you.
My fucking point, is you should care about what you want from a woman because YOU care. Not because some dude got there before you and you deserve what he does. This post is the dumbest shit ever. This ideology of you deserve what Brad deserves is bullshit. You deserve what you want because you want it and if someone doesn't want to give it then there's nothing wrong with moving on. I get the sentiment here, but there's nothing RP about this. Be about yourself and stop caring about whether or not you're getting what your Eskimo brother got. I think the problem is some of you are extremely inexperienced sexually. Getting a beeg is not that hard, but if you want some more advanced shit then there's a chance the girl wants a more emotional connection before she swallows your seed and shit. That's not really something this forum is going to want to hear, but it's a reality you have to face. Chicks are going to be uncomfortable doing shit in some situations and you have to be accepting of that. Don't get me wrong here. There's nothing wrong with walking away from a relationship if it's not progressing the way you'd like. Barking at her that you need her to swallow because you're fucking alpha and Brad Pitt would totally get that is just going to have who ever you're with redressing though. That shit is fucking stupid man. Think about it. Be about yourself, and care about something because you care, not because "she'd happily do it to Brad Pitt". Yeesh.
You are completely wrong about this, you know. Just what on earth do you think game is ? You most certainly can adopt behaviors and actions to increase the desire that females will have for you. And yes, you can increase the attraction that a girl will feel for you, enough to do more "advanced" stuff. I know because I'm living proof.
You are missing my point. When I say, "ramp up the alpha", I'm not saying to bark at her about it. I'm saying that you need to game her, get her more attracted to you. Because the more she becomes attracted to you, the more sex she has with you, and the more "fun" things she will do. That's my point about Brad Pitt. But maybe I should be more like you, drop a bunch of f bombs, call you inexperienced, stupid, like you did me. I'm going to go cry now to make myself feel better.
"I'm loving proof".
Damn you're sad sir. Very good. Welcome to the adult world. I'm done with your stupid bullshit. You're not even talking about the original issue anymore. If you're smooth and confident you can score. WOW MAN. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH THAT. MUST BE BECAUSE YOU'RE LIVING PROOF AND A SUPER ALPHA MAN. I bet you've gotten like twenty BJ's before. So jealous bro!
I don't ask what she does for a living because I really dont care. Turn the conversation sexual as soon as possible, because the longer you wait, it's weirder and harder to make the transition.
Hey if that works for you then that's great sir. If she doesn't want to blow you though, she's not going to tell you all of her various sexual exploits. If she does and backs out last moment, it's not like you can then say "YOUR EX BARRY GOT A BJ AND IF I CAN'T GET ONE TOO THEN I'M LEAVING." That's where this sub gets a tad rapey. I lurk here because I enjoy watching people walk the line between actual useful advice/ bullshit pickup "artistry".
"Rapey"? There is either rape or not rape. There is no gray area. Get the fuck out of here with your TwoX lingo. Wanting sex from a sexual relationship is not even a 0.0001 on the 0-10 rape scale. Use grown up words.
TwoX lingo. Very good dude. Very offensive. Contributing a lot to this argument. Thanks for playing jackass. Did you even read my original point because you didn't comment on any of it. It's incredibly simple. If you want some specific type of sex from a girl then you should want it because YOU want it. You shouldn't need that because she's given it to some other dude in the past. It's immature and flat out stupid. It's not complicated. Be about yourself. This is 101.
Answering the question "Will she give me BJs and doggystyle?" is the biggest filter on my dating pool. It's not the most important thing I need from a relationship partner, but it's something I'm not willing to go without.
Ugh. Okay here's my point. That should be important to you regardless then. It shouldn't only mean something if the chick does that with other dudes before you. Get my point?
I wouldn't do this tbh. I don't need to imagine some woman I'm trying to fuck taking it from other guys.
Be 'enlightened and nonjudgemental'. If you wanna play games. Personally I'm just a sexual beast, always pushing boundaries, amazing what will slip when you're 'the guy' she's done the most with.
This is why couples hate Truth or Dare, i've witnessed more fights over that game than fucking anything LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmcwbOwOTM0
hahahaha
It's a good idea to drop these situations because no doubt they'll breed a shit dynamic, but it's important to realize that if she's not getting the tingles from you, you're probably doing something wrong. Whether that amounts to your look, demeanor, or her expectations- AWALT still applies and you'll need to examine yourself and make some improvements for your next try.
Erm. Isn't it the same as with partner count and you will never find out? Also, there are certainly things I'd gladly pass on doing. If her ex was a cacrophiliac, that bitch honestly can keep it to herself.
Just make her do, what you want her to. I've never had a woman tell me she doesn't do X, unless it came with a "usually".
"I usually don't swallow, but somehow it's different with you."
Maybe refrain from introducing your silicon waifu and proposing a threesome though.
Would you date her knowing that she did it?
Definetly no. I'd be tolerant with water-games, but that shit's truly disgusting and beyond anything I am able to relate to.
Water games like running through sprinklers and throwing water balloons?
I would never date a girl who was into Marco Polo. I fucking hate that game.
Best comment on this thread.
This is the problem. She won't admit to the sex acts so you really can't leverage what you don't know. But you can get it out of her friends and maybe even before dating her tease it out in conversations. Not hard to do.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/
This is the post that woke me up. I don't know why - I've got nothing in my life that resembles what happened, but it struck a chord with me, and here I am.
I must say, that was a gut-wrencher for me as well.
Was reading Roissy / Roosh / AVFM / etc for awhile before that one, but that one really hit home hard.
I agree. This is a conclusion I arrived at as well before I ever heard of TRP. The way I thought about it was basically, any girl who wants to be my girl has to do stuff with me that is dirtier, sluttier, whore-ier, whatever you want to call it, than she's ever done before.
I cannot knowingly be with a girl who's done dirtier stuff with other dudes... not if I want to have any self respect. This leads us to one of the oft-repeated tenets of TRP, that some girls are ruled out from LTR potential based on their pasts.
For instance a girl who's been gangbanged (she'll call it a threesome initially because that sounds better, but once we've established it was her and two dudes, let's go ahead and call it a gangbang.) Leaving aside weird fetish shit, there is nothing dirtier she can do, short of throwing even more dudes into the mix, which of course would make the problem even worse.
Problem could be solved if you joined in. :D
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Well I was joking when I said that. Taken advantage of the example he gave. Lol
Didn't think anyone would take it seriously. But then again, you never know on the internet.
-- Abraham Lincoln
So that is what the uncensored version looks like.. My history teacher blacked out so much of it.
My history teacher was just . . . blacked out.
We taught ourselves.
Date her but do not consider a LTR. I don't really care if a plate doesn't wanna do something she has done in the past with another guy. I would still rather keep her as a plate along with anybody else I can land at the time.
Well shit, /r/redpilltom maybe my situation applies?
I've been casually seeing this girl for a while. She has had threesomes in the past. She wouldn't want to have a girl in on the fun, because she said she would be super possessive/jealous/whatever. Likewise, I didn't like the idea of bringing a guy into bed, because I'm not even slightly bisexual.
Is she just really into me, or is she treating me "different" in a bad way?
She had threesomes in the past with other guy(s), she won't with you, ergo, she is treating you differently. She gave a highly valued sexual experience to other guy(s), she won't with/to you, how can this ever be characterized as good?
Well, sharing something you value (me) seems to mean the value is low. So, rather than purely carnal interest there is emotional as well. At least that's how it looks.
It sounds like she likes you.
Which is woman speak for she's not attracted to you. Run dude. You're a BB.
I couldn't agree with this more than simply agreeing with it because I do.
First serious relationship I ever had involved this same lesson. I remember having a conversation with her about how she used to fuck her boyfriend anytime and anywhere he wanted. I wasn't as fortunate as the last guy and as soon as I heard that I immediately felt inadequate. She was willing to do all this shit to please that guy, but not me. I was very naive and immature and lashed out, but still had the self respect to leave her sitting at that table, and dump her the next time we spoke.
I have a plate who is on a head strike with me because I won't eat her pussy... I would care more if I didn't have another plate who sucks my dick nonstop.
But it's true, if a girl won't do something with you she did with others, you're chumping.
This should go without saying.
I cannot believe the quantity and nature of debate on this post. This notion is absolutely foundational to TRP! Of course you can cook up various scenarios wherein a robotic "next" would be silly (e.g. she has had her butthole super-glued shut). But, the point is that she has to be willing to try whatever it is with you. If that is a non-starter, you are being manipulated. Period.
Lol dude all i care about dude is getting laid in my typical vanilla sex fashion and busting raw nuts. Why should i give a fuck what my girl has done with other guys? Im the one getting laid now.
MyHere's the catch. There are things I've done with other women that I have no interest in doing with my gf. E.g. I don't want to fuck her ass. I've done it before and I don't care about it. I'm sure she's taken it up the ass at some point but I don't care to pursue it.
I know a lot of guys have that same thing where they just don't care to do those things worth a serious gf.
But what OP is talking about is different than that. Don't conflate the two.
I think the big difference is that it's "on the table".
I would hope that my GF would dump me if I tried to put pegging on the table.
Hey, if pegging is your thing, she better be down like a good girl.
"Honey, I'm going to use my masculine energy to compel you to completely subvert my masculine energy tonight. Mmmkay? Wait! Where are you going? Honey?"
Yeah. If you decide one day you do want to fuck her in the ass, why would she say no if she really wants to please you?
It can also be a DLV if she thinks someone else put you up to our... other than a mistress.
My only exception to this is 3somes. And a I say this simply because if a chick is really trying to keep you, she won't want to share you from fear of losing you.
In a similar situation, I'm willing to smash a chick with a friend or two of mine. Regardless of how sexy she was. But NEVER would I do this with a chick I'm dating. If she even asked me to do this, I would next her.
With that being said, I would also never LTR a chick who had a FFM threesome and I had never had one. Either she needs to give me one or I'm going to go get one myself. Point blank. Having a FFM threesome is one of the top things on my bucket list.
BUT, if she had threesomes with her previous LTR(s), then she will need to have them with me as well. Same position, same benefits. This is not negotiable.
I'm going to throw out there, for the record, that pulling those off is hard to impossible for some couples in some places. I wouldn't hate on a chick for not being able to manage it if I was in a rural area and she had previously been in NYC or LA when she pulled it off, or if she had been able to manage it when she was 18 with a hot 22-year-old but now... not so hot...
I fell into one in college with a pair of roommates, and honestly I'd say it's vastly over rated. I'm glad I had the experience, but I prefer to be with one at a time that way all of the attention is focused on me.
Glad it's not just me.
I have a bi girlfriend, and whenever threesomes come conversationally up I just remark that they are THE most over-rated sexual situation. She agrees.
I love the hell out of a quad with, let's say, another married couple, but odds on, if you're in a threesome then at some point you're getting ignored, and at that point you're basically just watching a porno with smell. It's not ACTUALLY fun to watch two chicks eat each other out for 45 minutes, and if you try to force your way back in you can wind up pissing everyone off.
Honestly, it'd be better just PAYING two chicks if you insist on having the MFF experience... that way YOU are the center of the game.
I agree. I'm not dissing her for that. It would actually be MY problem. Knowing my girl has had a threesome with some other guy would not only make me jealous, but it would be a constant reminder of the fact that I haven't had one. Nothing against her.
I'm a practicing polyamorist with a bisexual wife and a bi-curious girlfriend. I've pulled of three FFM threesomes in ten years. It's HARD to set them up.
Think about the challenges you have in getting ONE girl to feel sexy. Now try doing it to two at the same time.
Agreed. I managed one but it was hella difficult. The girls really have to be into each other as well.
What if she doesn't want to do it with you because she didn't enjoy it with her ex?
That's something that's a bit more delicate and requires a bit more context. "I tried anal with my ex but stopped him because I didn't like it" is different than "I used to do it all the time with my ex, but didn't really like it". The context in the first was "I didn't like how it felt so I stopped" and the second was "I didn't really care for it, but he loved it so I did it for him". Overall it doesn't carry the same weight as the "I'm not that kind of girl anymore" BS that the post is more about, but it is a huge red flag and you should keep your eye out for more signs you're getting strung along.
And, of course, women lie up and down about their sexual history. If a woman tells you she only tried something once briefly but hated it, it's pretty likely that she did it multiple times and loved it in the context of an alpha guy who gave her more tingles than you.
Exactly. This is what I find hilarious. How the fuck can you actually know what she's done and what she likes and doesn't like. It's simple. If you like the girl and you like the time, stop worrying about who's scaled the mountain before you and how close they came to the summit. Life's a lot easier if you stop trying to pass another man's flag and start worrying solely about how your own journey. You'll never truly know anyway so just worry about yourself and if you can't find what you want, venture onward until you find your Everest.
Was it something she tried once and didn't like or something she didn't like, but would do for her ex occasionally anyways?
If it's the latter, it applies to this post.
Do you want that sex act? If yes, then drop her. No point in keeping a woman around who you can't be sexually satisfied with.
If no, keep her for a bit, but grow indirectly colder towards her. She'll think her refusal is an issue and try to over compensate, hopefully with behavior and acts you actually enjoy.
If I took out my ex to expensive restaurants to make her happy even though I didn't like it you would expect me to do things I don't like to make you happy as well.
Not personally, no. If going to fancy restaurants was important to me, i wouldn't go out with a guy who would take me to one even though he doesn't like it. I would find a guy who genuinely going to fancy restaurants.
There are two categories for this kind of thing: stuff I can't control/influence and stuff I can. If she tried to deepthroat before but has a bad gag reflex and doesn't like doing it, there ain't much I can do about her gag reflex.
But if she tried anal in the past and it hurt, or she tried a threesome in the past and it was awkward, those are not sufficient excuses because I can control/influence those things next time around. It hurt because the dude didn't do it right, it was awkward because the dude didn't manage it right.
This is the workaround I hear from women chiming in on stories when men write about this subject online. The ones where they find out their significant other is pursuing a dual sexual morality with them. If a woman has an incentive to lie, she will. I would consider "she doesn't want to do it with you because she didn't enjoy it with her ex" to be one of those, namely a lie.
So, you don't think it's possible that she may have tried something with an ex that she didn't like? You're 100% certain that if she tried it, she liked it but she's holding out on a behavior she enjoyed because she doesn't want it with you? I agree with the other guy who said, it doesn't matter if she did it or not, or if she liked it or not. It matters that if you want something and she's not interested in doing it, you find someone who is. I wouldn't deprive myself of something I enjoyed just to prove a point. I also wouldn't want someone to do something they wouldn't enjoy for me, when I can easily find someone who would.
I totally agree, go find a girl who will. No argument there. I'm just saying that women do pursue a dual sexual morality AF/BB and have a propensity to lie, or self delude with regards to it. I did it with him, but not with you often falls under this rubric.
It can. I agree. But, it doesn't always. If you tell her you want something, regardless of her having done it before or not, she should want to do it for you. Turning you on should turn her on. It does go both ways though, because if she expresses a disinterest in a particular sex act, it probably wouldn't turn you on to see her doing it against her will (unless that was the whole idea). It would be much more fun with an enthusiastic partner who wants to please you.
Obviously you can't negotiate desire, and I'm not advocating that. I'm just saying, if she has a set limit on the stuff she'll do with you, but hasn't set that same limit in her past, it says something about you. Namely, that you aren't getting her best, and your frame is slipping or whatever. It means you should find a different girl. It means you shouldn't give her commitment and all the talky, talk, talk about what she didn't like, or how she's different now, or you're different etc. doesn't really matter. Her actions (or lack thereof) tells you everything you need to know.
What if my other plate enjoys it?
Then you would probably be happier with the one who enjoys it.
She still did it. She made the choice that it was better to do THIS act with THIS man than to not do it. Only thing different is the man, not the act.
Do you think that the man makes the experience for her? I think anything can be a totally different experience with a different person. If she's not willing to do something for you that she did with another man, the problem may not be her. It may be that you just didn't make her feel comfortable enough to do it with you. Of course, her past experience will weigh on her judgement about whether she enjoyed it last time or not. But, it shouldn't weigh on her being willing to try something with you now. People are so easy to manipulate. Everything we do is going to cause a reaction. So, why not do things that will cause her to react in the way you'd like rather than worry about why she did this with someone else before. Maybe you need to figure out what HE did differently that made her willing, instead of blaming her, saying she's a slut, degrading her or having any kind of a negative reaction. It's the same both ways. Like the other guys said, if my man took his ex out to fancy dinners but he wouldn't take me.... he isn't the problem. The problem is that I don't know what they did to make him want to do that, but I need to do it too, if I want that. Calling him a cheapskate loser or giving an ultimatum isn't going to make him want to take me out to a fancy dinner.
Read an article in Cosmo once (don't ask, it was a long time ago and I was bored with nothing to read) that claimed to have surveyed thousands of men and women, and found that on average men are more promiscuous.
The average woman has had 3 sexual partners of the opposite sex, it claimed, while the average man had had 5.
The problem? If you know basic statistics, you know that this is impossible. The average for each must be the exact same number, by definition.
They likely didn't include the age brackets. Cosmo isn't known for doing good fact checking, and from what I understand they farm out a lot of articles to freelance writers who basically make a living writing magazine articles.
The wikipedia statistics say that by age 19 70% of both men and women claim to have lost their virginity and that the average age of virginity loss is 17.0 for men and 17.3 for women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolescent_sexuality_in_the_United_States
Well no: a large number of women can all have sex with a small number of men, leading to a skew you'd assume doesn't happen. In fact I expect this skew that you'll just as easily find men with no more than 5 partners in their entire life yet men with 50 in the minority, and yet a majority of women with partner count over 10 and most of them having slept with the same men who have partner count 50 to 100 to who the fuck knows.
Sorry, but that's not the way the math works. The average is defined by the total number of unique partners divided by the number of people in that gender.
Let's use an example of a sample size of 10 men and 10 women, and a rather extreme case where 9 of the women are virgins, and the final woman slept with each of the men.
In this case the average number of women that each man has slept with is pretty simple. Each man has slept with exactly one woman, so the average is clearly 1.
The average for the women is 1 too! The one promiscuous woman who slept with all the men balances out the virgins, when you look at average.
No matter how you distribute promiscuity and virginity, the average will always be the same.
One fact that might convince you is this: each time a man and a woman sleep together for the first time, there is one "new partner" for them men, and one "new partner" for the women. So the score always stays even.
Sorry that is how average works: you can skew the numbers very far to one side yet still get the same average.
Let's use samples in the size of millions and more and you can see this turn out very easily. 10 is too small and you know it. I'll dismiss that number immediately because it's a rigged choice.
I don't know if my example could have been any more clear, but I suggest you go talk to someone who majored in mathematics and perhaps they can explain it to you.
The sample size is irrelevant. Whether it is 10 or 10 million, the average is going to be the same for men and women.
Within the first three fuck sessions, I will try for the hat trick. To be honest my girth makes anal uncomfortable at best with most, impossible with the small girls, but she needs to be willing to try it. I will have her doing kinky shit, and enjoying it. If shes had threesomes before, I call some friends and set up another one. Most of them have their crazy, wild, kinky, group and other sex with me. Two refusals for sex and she is out, unless she has good reason like obgyn appointments, illness, etc. But it has to be real, lies get her punted faster than anything.
I generally refuse to have anything with woman if she is not drolling about me. Settling down with anybody who dont have wet pussy in your presence is waste of resources.
You have to recognize is she with you because there is nobody better around or because she wants to fuck you.
Howcto know..well when she wants you, there is no stupid excuses. She have time to see you. Messages responds are quick. The best, in your presence she is drolling, uncontrollably smiling, and acting like 5yo girl. This is how it needs to be and if it is different cut it. This goes for majority
WOMEN?!? Get out of our clubhouse!
What if she did anal or golden showers but you're not into any of that?
There's quite a bit of difference between her offering to do something and you not being into it, and her not willing to do something with you that you want to do, that she HAS already done before with previous partners.
What if she did it with someone else just to try it, and didn't like it? That hardly seems fair to force the issue again.
I don't think "things that I tried for the first time and then never again" is what we're talking about here.
From my understanding, we're talking about "My ex did me up the butt every sunday, but I don't want to do that with you, current bf, sorry.".
An interest aside to this topic is the idea that she or someone else told you that she performed certain sexual acts.
If a girl does something once and finds it painful is that a legitimate reason to have done with her ? I would postulate that if it was a one time occurrence and deeply unpleasant, then there is not a tremendous obligation for her to be willing to go in for round two. There were a lot of dumb things I tried when I was younger.
A lot of this comes down to a common game couples play in relationships. The girl, early in the relationship, brags about performing certain acts such as threesomes, anal, or blowjobs. She effectively 'advertises' this as part of the deal she offers. However, when compelled to repeat such acts she balks and suggests that she is she will no longer perform acts that were promised.
In this case I generally feel that we are dealing with clear dishonesty.
It's also true that some people's taste change. A guy I used to work with was an EMT (about 15 years ago), and on one particular call to a residence, a guy vomited when he was trying to resuscitate him. Well the guy had been eating pizza and beer at the time. To make a long story short, the friend can't stand the smell of pizza or beer anymore without gagging but used to love both.
Someone could have done something a lot in the past and enjoyed it, but something ruined it for them, and they just cant anymore. Do you want someone to do something for you that they hate?
I think case by case is always important, but let's be very clear that the majority of cases described here involve a girl bragging about doing something with one guy, then refusing to perform said activity given a new partner. Basically, it is false advertising.
:O What if that someone said they only did something because the relationship was going downhill to spice shit up and they never liked it anyway. And absolutely refuses to do it now even once?
I feel sometimes like Im missing out on something that I may find enjoyable... but I respect them to just.... imagine it in my head anyway.
It means she was desperate to not lose that person. She should feel the same about you. It's called "dread game", and you should be running it. Look it up.
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So you are concerned that the guy in your life won't do something he previously did with someone else?
Yes. I wonder what could have happened to not want to do it. Cant have a conversation as its awkward I guess. Sometimes I even wonder if maybe in the early stages, maybe thought id be impressed to say it was done.... and it wasnt.
We each as men have our own preferences. I wouldn't toss a girl just because she won't do a girl+her+me 3-way. I will toss her if she won't give a blowjob. I don't do anal: I don't care if she ever did. In fact I've had girls who really, really wanted me to do it and I refuse. Shit's dirty and I'm not interested.
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Its not insecurity, its disgust
I can see where you are coming from. But what if she has had a lot of sexual partners and you have had the same amount? Is that ok considering youd be "even?"
depends... if she had half the partners I did, or 1/4, but cheated on every single one of them, should I ignore that for being a lower number than me?
Someone didn't read the numerous posts about "Women that have a higher number of sexual partners before marriage/first proper relationship, has a much much higher chance of cheating or divorcing".
and someone else forgot to factor in that finances, arguments over money/children and the rate at which a woman cheats, much less acquires new sex partners is very important and overlooked completely by those "numerous posts".
It's pretty blue-pill, in fact, to ignore the rate, ignore the number of times it was cheating, and go straight to the total.
That's like looking at all my spending without dividing it up between rent, transportation, food & nonsense like cigarettes & alcohol, essential vs nonessential, adjustable vs nonadjustable, high-risk vs low-risk and of course... the RATE.
The rate at which I spend is very important compared to the rate at which I get income.
Similarly the rate at which a woman cheats, the rate at which a woman acquires new sex partners, is pretty concerning to me unless the cheating is zero and the rate of new partners is less than 2 per year. I don't care if she's had 5 or had 25, if her rate is more than 2 per year I'm looking with a high degree of skeptical leaning on soft-next*.
Someone whos considering getting married (assuming you make more money than her) hasnt taken the red pill.
I would add a caveat. Make sure you give it a go as a man to get what you want first. Lots of people don't like stuff, but a strong man taking it kind of pulls on her rubber arm.
Let's stop and think about this.
Let's say the woman that you're seeing is a potential LTR. Perhaps she's marriage material. Maybe not even that far. Maybe she has a good head on her shoulders and you can see yourself having children with her down the road.
Just because her first boyfriend came on her face when she was 18, but she doesn't want that now, you should leave her?
Not sure it's as black and white as OP is making it seem.
I'd explain that its important that I do it at least once. Do it and call it a day. I think it's about marking your territory and being the #1 when it comes to an LTR.
I agree with you. Some chick may have gone down on a guy in a movie theater when she was younger, but will refuse to do it with you because she isn't 18 years old anymore. What if she had a 3 way in college that wound up screwing up her relationship with her best friend so she decides that no matter what happens she won't ever have a 3 way again. I would argue that it is also completely acceptable as far as the money situation that he described. Maybe you realized that it benefits your life more to be frugal instead of blowing all that money on a woman.
People can grow and change, and that means women too. As long as you are getting what you want from the relationship then you shouldn't be in competition with the other guys she was with before you. That's why I don't prod someone about their sex life. I am either being sexually fulfilled or I am looking for someone else who is willing to take care of me.
But you are ALWAYS in competition with guys before you. That's such a BP mindset, you must be lost. She will ALWAYS be comparing you to the guys she fucked before you. If she isn't attracted enough to you to do something she did at 18, she isn't into you. LEAVE.
You've got it backwards brother. I'm not looking for validation from any chick I'm banging. I've been with enough women that I know I do a good job and take care of business in bed. I also know that I have other qualities that women want besides just good sex. If she wants to leave because some dude was better in her past, then who the fuck cares. There's always another one around the corner.
You need to change your mindset from competing for a girl to girls competing for you. She's lucky to have me, not the other way around.
You may not feel like you're competing with other guys in her past, but she feels that way. It's the same reason girls with lower N counts make better long term partners. Women don't change. They stop maturing in their late teens. If she did it at 18, she'll do it at 28, given sufficient attraction.
It's not that I don't know that she compares me to her previous guys, it's that I don't care.
Women with the qualities that make for a good ltr naturally will have lower numbers. If you think the reason they would make a good wife is because they have less guys to compare you to, then I feel bad for you.
Nice concern trolling. That usually goes over SO well with the mods.
You speak the truth. Hopefully some of the betas around here will read this.
My wife won't have butt sex because she says I am much bigger than her previous boyfriend. Is that an exception?
perfect excuse that also strokes your ego and validates you. thats what a great manipulator would do to avoid it.
She is a lawyer so you nailed it
Probably. It's between you & her obviously but that is a tight hole and if you push it enough it's not tight anymore... it's messy and in the worst possible way. The thought of a girlfriend who can't actually shut her anus due to stretching damage is... a very bad thought. I am thankful I have never faced a woman with that problem.
well FUCK. A lawyer and here I am questioning if she has a reason to have a tight anus.
BOOM! BEER ME - stolen from Bad Popp
I've seen videos of some pretty petite women putting some pretty large objects up their butts, things with larger diameters than any human cock.
Practice makes perfect.
With the right stretching and mindset, this too can be overcome.
Some women do nasty sex stuff because their former partner was a creep and loved it. Maybe they just don't like it and want a fresh start with you. I dated a girl who gave me blow jobs all the time and later said she simply didn't like them but she did it because she knew I liked it so much. Nothing wrong with that, I guess her husband has to go without blow jobs, his problem not mine.
Agreed 100%.
This should be sidebar info on the Relationships sub, so all those betas over there can get it in their heads.
Only date women who will do with you even sexual things she never wanted to do with her other partners.
Maybe discuss it with her? Sometime you can end up feeling ashamed, used or a whole other range of negative feelings because of sexual acts you've done with someone else. I feel the main reason you'd hold out on doing those again would be a level of respect: you want your s/o to respect you and not just see you as a sex toy
I can respect a girl that I fuck in the ass. I CANNOT respect a girl who let her ex fuck her in the ass but she "doesn't want me to think of her that way", because she doesn't respect me.
If you are not a sex toy for your s/o (and he for you!!), your relationship is utterly worthless as a romantic entity.
In other words, if you're dating a fantastic woman who had a one night stand at some point in her past you just drop her if you didn't start your relationship with a ONS? That's just shortsighted man.
Yep. Every time. Why do I want to pay full price when another guy got a solid test ride for free?
You're arguing the extremes. OP is saying if she had multiple ONS in the past but "you're different" or "I'm not like that anymore" comes spewing from her mouth.
We're not talking about a woman who's had a single ONS in her life and it isn't her thing. Refer to /u/Archwinger post above.
If you work on yourself to be as attractive as possible, are on top of your sex game and act nonjudgmental. Well then you will never have this problem. However if she did things with other men that I would never do and find disgusting then she is out
Where's the logic in this? Maybe she did anal with someone, hated it, and refuses to do it with you. Drop her for that? Come on, that's not a mature way of handing it.
Mature has nothing to do with it.
Yes it is. It means she values you less & it's immature, needy & self-defeating to choose to be with a woman who values you less than other men. It means you value yourself less. Why would you value yourself less & let her value you less?
The faster you drop her the faster you can be with a woman who doesn't treat you poorly and this is being treated poorly.
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no. It's not the amount of sex it's the variety, the specific acts of sex, the level of desire.
A woman 100% likes you less or not at all if she's unwilling and you putting up with that is self-punishment and demeaning to you as a man. After all, you can just find a woman who never treats you this poorly while the one you left will find another who she'll do all the same things with she wouldn't do with you because she values him more than you, just like all the others before you.
Why you'd force herself and yourself to each put up with lesser value for no good reason in a short life-span that humans have is... beyond incomprehensible. It's self-chosen misery for you both.
Lol, men... There OBVIOUSLY has to be some scenarios where the woman just wants to have a little more dignity, maybe she had a lower self-esteem when dating/fucking those other guys, who knows, maybe they were just fuck-buddies! Now, with you, who she has moved on to, with this new, higher self-esteem to display, possibly a reason you were attracted to her in the first place, her confidence, her manner. And towards sexual acts she's willing to do, maybe you have a bigger cock than her pervious fling, so hell no! she wont take your cock up her butt!! Then's a few factors I think you're forgetting to add into the equation. And, you stated yourself, we lie about things, just like guys lie, so if you heard around that's what she did, just go ahead and go fuck yourself up the butt, cuz you're obviously into shit.
With all that said :) on the guys point of view, with him treating her different to previous girls: what if they girl before him took advantage of him, and now he wants to be more protected about his things/money as in he doesn't want just gold-diggers, which is what you, as a girl, would seem like if you asked him why you weren't the fucking princess in his castle.
Let the relationship develop, naturally, without expectation on either side, beside respect and love. If things feel off, then they probably are, but don't go jumping around assuming because he did that to you, I get to too, or because you gave her all those things, I get them too, GROW THE FUCK UP! and learn the past doesn't always guarantee the future.
so if they are just fuckbuddies how come she does what they want to please them but not for you who is supposed to be more important?
she is supposed to TEY HARDER and DO MORE for you than for her fuckbuddies.
all those what if do not matter. if she did it before she can do it again for you.
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You must be pretty naive, lol.
He's not. In both cases we're looking at how much one partner wants (not just "is willing" but wants) to do for another. If a woman wants to do lots of kinky stuff with one person, but not with me, obviously she is attracted to me less if at all. And why would any man want to date a woman for whom he's an inferior choice?
Quite easily.
http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-average-prostitution-prices-worldwide
I don't think you've read and comprehended the basics yet.
It has the same principles. Basically, if the previous person gets more out of the relationship than the current one, then its a fail on the one who isn't receiving.
He just used material things as an example simply because women seem to be more concerned with things like that, where as men are more concerned about sex.
Seek an understanding before getting angry shutting something down.
You can compare any two things. "A super cluster of galaxies is like a pencil in that they're both affected by gravitational forces." See?
I think what you mean to say is that you feel the comparison is invalid for some specific purpose. Like if I say both tomatoes and dogs are edible, therefore it's okay to eat them both. It's ridiculous to attack that by simply saying, "how can you compare them?" What you need to do is say that the method of comparison (being edible) is insufficient to justify the conclusion (that it's morally okay) because the actual criteria for that conclusion should include a discussion of issues like consciousness.
total direct comparison to me.
A woman has no value that is absent of a cost/price, not one, not ever.
Letting some guy stick his dick in you will often result in a necklace anyway.
And if she won't do it just forcibly do it like 50 shades women love that shit.