Never date a woman who won't do sexual things with you that she did with her other partners.

GayLubeOil · 2014-12-17T10:32:40+00:00

The gender swapped version of this is men who spend more on their mistresses than wives.

Archwinger · 2014-12-17T15:57:05+00:00

This post is, generally, good advice. But I’d couch it with a few provisos.

For example, let’s say a girl tried a particular sex act with her last boyfriend, just once, and didn’t like it. It hurt. She didn’t enjoy it at all. It didn’t turn her on. It was a bad experience. She didn’t like it. She never did it again.

Obviously, you wouldn’t proclaim, “You tried X with your last boyfriend! Now you won’t try it with me. You clearly don’t respect me!” That would be stupid.

But if a girl did particular sex acts in the past with others, enjoyed those things just fine, but with you she wants a different kind of relationship. Those past relationships were fun, sexual, kinky, non-serious, and she wanted to get that out of her system, but now she wants a more serious relationship with you? Fuck that noise. She gave her full sexuality to her previous partners and is giving a mere portion of that to you, under the guise of complementing you by calling you a more serious partner? So you, a better, more loving partner that she cares about more and is more serious about experiences less of her sexuality?

But women compartmentalize like that. While it boggles us, it makes perfect sense to women. Every man is a different kind of relationship for a woman, and it seems natural to her to want one kind of relationship with one guy, and a completely different kind of relationship with you. She actually feels different with you. She actually doesn’t want that first kind of relationship with you. Those sex acts she enjoyed previously wouldn’t be enjoyable with you, because she’s having an entirely different relationship experience with you. – We’re smart enough to know that this signifies a lack of sexual attraction, a lack of respect, a lack of admiration, etc. But women don’t get that. In a woman’s mind, having a completely different sex life with a fun sex guy from the past, versus her husbands, is normal. (The plural use of “husbands” is intentional.)

The really fun times come when you have a woman who falls in that second category, that’s lying to you about her past. Someone who was all about the fun sex and loved every minute of it, but tells you it was just this one time, and she hated it and never did it again, so you don’t feel bad about her denying you and you never ask again. Screen your women well.

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GayLubeOil · 2014-12-17T10:03:53+00:00

Good post. The only thing I'd change is:

For the women who may be getting furious reading this, lol

Don't need to justify anything to anyone.

intrcept · 2014-12-17T08:08:44+00:00

How do you know what she did with other guys?

wiseclockcounter · 2014-12-17T09:17:22+00:00

It's a good idea to drop these situations because no doubt they'll breed a shit dynamic, but it's important to realize that if she's not getting the tingles from you, you're probably doing something wrong. Whether that amounts to your look, demeanor, or her expectations- AWALT still applies and you'll need to examine yourself and make some improvements for your next try.

vandaalen · 2014-12-17T08:55:22+00:00

Erm. Isn't it the same as with partner count and you will never find out? Also, there are certainly things I'd gladly pass on doing. If her ex was a cacrophiliac, that bitch honestly can keep it to herself.

Just make her do, what you want her to. I've never had a woman tell me she doesn't do X, unless it came with a "usually".

"I usually don't swallow, but somehow it's different with you."

Maybe refrain from introducing your silicon waifu and proposing a threesome though.

KyfhoMyoba · 2014-12-18T00:42:18+00:00

http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/

This is the post that woke me up. I don't know why - I've got nothing in my life that resembles what happened, but it struck a chord with me, and here I am.

RedHeimdall · 2014-12-17T07:57:37+00:00

I agree. This is a conclusion I arrived at as well before I ever heard of TRP. The way I thought about it was basically, any girl who wants to be my girl has to do stuff with me that is dirtier, sluttier, whore-ier, whatever you want to call it, than she's ever done before.

I cannot knowingly be with a girl who's done dirtier stuff with other dudes... not if I want to have any self respect. This leads us to one of the oft-repeated tenets of TRP, that some girls are ruled out from LTR potential based on their pasts.

For instance a girl who's been gangbanged (she'll call it a threesome initially because that sounds better, but once we've established it was her and two dudes, let's go ahead and call it a gangbang.) Leaving aside weird fetish shit, there is nothing dirtier she can do, short of throwing even more dudes into the mix, which of course would make the problem even worse.

OWNNWONOW · 2014-12-17T09:32:55+00:00

Huh? My dick hard as a mothafucka
You don't what?! tell that shit to another sucka
I ain't no sucker mama, come on fuck the drama
And kiss it down, lil pucker-rama
I'm so active, you being so drastic
Got something for ya face, fuck pro-activ
I'm a pro at this
Round the globe, atlas
But I need to know ma, are you gonna suck it or not?
Babygirl, I'm in love with the twat
Missionary, back shots, pop it off, rock it off
I tell you right now if my cock is soft
But I want head before and after, top it off
On ya knees, show you how to top a boss
Lick, suck, deep throat, stop, cough, hop on, hop off, lollipop off
I know it's white, but here come the hot sauce

-- Abraham Lincoln

[deleted] · 2014-12-17T10:26:03+00:00

Date her but do not consider a LTR. I don't really care if a plate doesn't wanna do something she has done in the past with another guy. I would still rather keep her as a plate along with anybody else I can land at the time.

InformalCriticism · 2014-12-17T18:50:57+00:00

Well shit, /r/redpilltom maybe my situation applies?

I've been casually seeing this girl for a while. She has had threesomes in the past. She wouldn't want to have a girl in on the fun, because she said she would be super possessive/jealous/whatever. Likewise, I didn't like the idea of bringing a guy into bed, because I'm not even slightly bisexual.

Is she just really into me, or is she treating me "different" in a bad way?

major_wake · 2014-12-17T22:17:34+00:00

I couldn't agree with this more than simply agreeing with it because I do.

gullwingz · 2014-12-18T02:26:31+00:00

First serious relationship I ever had involved this same lesson. I remember having a conversation with her about how she used to fuck her boyfriend anytime and anywhere he wanted. I wasn't as fortunate as the last guy and as soon as I heard that I immediately felt inadequate. She was willing to do all this shit to please that guy, but not me. I was very naive and immature and lashed out, but still had the self respect to leave her sitting at that table, and dump her the next time we spoke.

twistedbrother2 · 2014-12-17T18:49:44+00:00

I have a plate who is on a head strike with me because I won't eat her pussy... I would care more if I didn't have another plate who sucks my dick nonstop.

But it's true, if a girl won't do something with you she did with others, you're chumping.

[deleted] · 2014-12-17T19:23:29+00:00

This should go without saying.

wattwatty · 2014-12-18T03:21:35+00:00

I cannot believe the quantity and nature of debate on this post. This notion is absolutely foundational to TRP! Of course you can cook up various scenarios wherein a robotic "next" would be silly (e.g. she has had her butthole super-glued shut). But, the point is that she has to be willing to try whatever it is with you. If that is a non-starter, you are being manipulated. Period.

Glenbert · 2014-12-17T14:33:35+00:00

MyHere's the catch. There are things I've done with other women that I have no interest in doing with my gf. E.g. I don't want to fuck her ass. I've done it before and I don't care about it. I'm sure she's taken it up the ass at some point but I don't care to pursue it.

I know a lot of guys have that same thing where they just don't care to do those things worth a serious gf.

But what OP is talking about is different than that. Don't conflate the two.

BlackHeart89 · 2014-12-17T14:58:26+00:00

My only exception to this is 3somes. And a I say this simply because if a chick is really trying to keep you, she won't want to share you from fear of losing you.

In a similar situation, I'm willing to smash a chick with a friend or two of mine. Regardless of how sexy she was. But NEVER would I do this with a chick I'm dating. If she even asked me to do this, I would next her.

With that being said, I would also never LTR a chick who had a FFM threesome and I had never had one. Either she needs to give me one or I'm going to go get one myself. Point blank. Having a FFM threesome is one of the top things on my bucket list.

BUT, if she had threesomes with her previous LTR(s), then she will need to have them with me as well. Same position, same benefits. This is not negotiable.

ForbiddenFruit420 · 2014-12-17T07:37:50+00:00

What if she doesn't want to do it with you because she didn't enjoy it with her ex?

ppezaris · 2014-12-17T16:28:13+00:00

Read an article in Cosmo once (don't ask, it was a long time ago and I was bored with nothing to read) that claimed to have surveyed thousands of men and women, and found that on average men are more promiscuous.

The average woman has had 3 sexual partners of the opposite sex, it claimed, while the average man had had 5.

The problem? If you know basic statistics, you know that this is impossible. The average for each must be the exact same number, by definition.

vengefully_yours · 2014-12-17T16:49:29+00:00

Within the first three fuck sessions, I will try for the hat trick. To be honest my girth makes anal uncomfortable at best with most, impossible with the small girls, but she needs to be willing to try it. I will have her doing kinky shit, and enjoying it. If shes had threesomes before, I call some friends and set up another one. Most of them have their crazy, wild, kinky, group and other sex with me. Two refusals for sex and she is out, unless she has good reason like obgyn appointments, illness, etc. But it has to be real, lies get her punted faster than anything.

[deleted] · 2014-12-17T15:38:46+00:00

I generally refuse to have anything with woman if she is not drolling about me. Settling down with anybody who dont have wet pussy in your presence is waste of resources.

You have to recognize is she with you because there is nobody better around or because she wants to fuck you.

Howcto know..well when she wants you, there is no stupid excuses. She have time to see you. Messages responds are quick. The best, in your presence she is drolling, uncontrollably smiling, and acting like 5yo girl. This is how it needs to be and if it is different cut it. This goes for majority

TheGillos · 2014-12-17T22:05:37+00:00

For the women who may be getting furious reading this

WOMEN?!? Get out of our clubhouse!

DrBillC0sby · 2014-12-17T19:13:43+00:00

What if she did anal or golden showers but you're not into any of that?

Cronyx · 2014-12-17T17:30:08+00:00

What if she did it with someone else just to try it, and didn't like it? That hardly seems fair to force the issue again.

nellzzzzs · 2014-12-17T18:51:58+00:00

:O What if that someone said they only did something because the relationship was going downhill to spice shit up and they never liked it anyway. And absolutely refuses to do it now even once?
I feel sometimes like Im missing out on something that I may find enjoyable... but I respect them to just.... imagine it in my head anyway.

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Dev_on · 2014-12-17T17:26:50+00:00

I would add a caveat. Make sure you give it a go as a man to get what you want first. Lots of people don't like stuff, but a strong man taking it kind of pulls on her rubber arm.

disorderly · 2014-12-17T14:38:08+00:00

Let's stop and think about this.

Let's say the woman that you're seeing is a potential LTR. Perhaps she's marriage material. Maybe not even that far. Maybe she has a good head on her shoulders and you can see yourself having children with her down the road.

Just because her first boyfriend came on her face when she was 18, but she doesn't want that now, you should leave her?

Not sure it's as black and white as OP is making it seem.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-12-17T17:31:30+00:00

My wife won't have butt sex because she says I am much bigger than her previous boyfriend. Is that an exception?

[deleted] · 2014-12-21T16:16:09+00:00

Some women do nasty sex stuff because their former partner was a creep and loved it. Maybe they just don't like it and want a fresh start with you. I dated a girl who gave me blow jobs all the time and later said she simply didn't like them but she did it because she knew I liked it so much. Nothing wrong with that, I guess her husband has to go without blow jobs, his problem not mine.

nuetraveler · 2014-12-17T15:56:16+00:00

Agreed 100%.

This should be sidebar info on the Relationships sub, so all those betas over there can get it in their heads.

cooltrip · 2014-12-17T09:49:58+00:00

Only date women who will do with you even sexual things she never wanted to do with her other partners.

Jaq404 · 2014-12-17T19:32:55+00:00

Maybe discuss it with her? Sometime you can end up feeling ashamed, used or a whole other range of negative feelings because of sexual acts you've done with someone else. I feel the main reason you'd hold out on doing those again would be a level of respect: you want your s/o to respect you and not just see you as a sex toy

I_want_hard_work · 2014-12-17T15:54:50+00:00

This goes from giving it up on X number of dates

In other words, if you're dating a fantastic woman who had a one night stand at some point in her past you just drop her if you didn't start your relationship with a ONS? That's just shortsighted man.

Nogaz · 2014-12-17T15:07:26+00:00

If you work on yourself to be as attractive as possible, are on top of your sex game and act nonjudgmental. Well then you will never have this problem. However if she did things with other men that I would never do and find disgusting then she is out

kevkos · 2014-12-17T21:18:31+00:00

Where's the logic in this? Maybe she did anal with someone, hated it, and refuses to do it with you. Drop her for that? Come on, that's not a mature way of handing it.

kitty_kat_killer · 2014-12-17T17:17:46+00:00

Lol, men... There OBVIOUSLY has to be some scenarios where the woman just wants to have a little more dignity, maybe she had a lower self-esteem when dating/fucking those other guys, who knows, maybe they were just fuck-buddies! Now, with you, who she has moved on to, with this new, higher self-esteem to display, possibly a reason you were attracted to her in the first place, her confidence, her manner. And towards sexual acts she's willing to do, maybe you have a bigger cock than her pervious fling, so hell no! she wont take your cock up her butt!! Then's a few factors I think you're forgetting to add into the equation. And, you stated yourself, we lie about things, just like guys lie, so if you heard around that's what she did, just go ahead and go fuck yourself up the butt, cuz you're obviously into shit.

With all that said :) on the guys point of view, with him treating her different to previous girls: what if they girl before him took advantage of him, and now he wants to be more protected about his things/money as in he doesn't want just gold-diggers, which is what you, as a girl, would seem like if you asked him why you weren't the fucking princess in his castle.

Let the relationship develop, naturally, without expectation on either side, beside respect and love. If things feel off, then they probably are, but don't go jumping around assuming because he did that to you, I get to too, or because you gave her all those things, I get them too, GROW THE FUCK UP! and learn the past doesn't always guarantee the future.

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awfukbye · 2014-12-17T17:35:59+00:00

And if she won't do it just forcibly do it like 50 shades women love that shit.

Title	Never date a woman who won't do sexual things with you that she did with her other partners.
Author	redpilltom
Upvotes	686
Comments	237
Date	17 December 2014 07:13 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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Never date a woman who won't do sexual things with you that she did with her other partners.

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