I've been having a long winded debate essentially about how the shaming of "nice guys" leads to them turning to TRP
and the topic of entitlement came up. and in writing my comment I came to an understanding of how desire is so often mischaracterized as entitlement.
SO I'll simply post the relevant parts of my comment here.
desire is not entitlement.
you are not entitled to friendships. But you can still be upset when you work hard and not get it.
you are not entitled to a job. but you can still be upset when you work hard and not get one.
you are not entitled to a relationship. but you can still be upset when you try your hardest and not get one.
if nice guys truly felt "entitled" they would simply expect that the relationship be handed to them without any effort.
and you may think, "But, these nice guy's aren't putting in any effort."
BUT these young men have been taught all their lives that the PROPER way to get into a relationship is to just be nice and to hide their intentions. They let people walk all over them, all in the hope that shaping themselves into what others desire will win them love and approval. And yet such behavior inevitably leads instead to unhappiness, frustration, and barely suppressed rage.
Essentially. from a bluepill perspective. "nice guys" expect a relationship without having "worked" for it.
but from the perspective of "nice guys" and people with an understanding of them. They are working incredibly hard towards that goal.
they've just been mislead and improperly educated on HOW to work towards that goal.
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