Liberals of PPD, why are you a liberal?

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2017-01-04T07:26:40+00:00

I'm liberal for many reasons but most of it boils down to this: it's cheaper to feed & educate people than it is to jail them. I find republicans small minded, shortsighted and selfish more than repulsive but they certainly can be quite off putting. Blue pill. ^duh

ZombieWifeFoCo · 2017-01-04T08:38:35+00:00

I care about human rights.

I believe the government should Stay out of regulating my reproductive physiology.

I believe in separation of church and state.

I am against capital punishment.

Am not blue or red. Myabe purple.

NalkaNalka · 2017-01-04T07:25:03+00:00

I was exposed to Christianity at a young age, the Gospels touched my heart. I read a lot of Tolkien growing up, and his ethics furthered those ethics I learned from reading the Bible.

The Civil Rights struggle and Feminism is the natural extension of those ethics on a societal scale. I don't do the religiosity of Christianity, but the rest of it is fundamental to who I am as a person.

When I look at the Republican party I see the opposite of what was exemplified in the New Testament. Fuck their self-righteous, hypocritical bullshit.

wombatinaburrow · 2017-01-04T07:45:47+00:00

No pill. Probably lean blue.

Socially liberal. Don't care who you fuck, aborting unwanted babies makes sense to me (as does funding planned parenthood in general) and blah blah all those other social issues.

Economically conservative. Government is terribly inefficient compared to the private sector. Boo tariffs. Uni made me more conservative honestly. Find most conservatives to be quite dumb. That's why I tend to not open my mouth about leaning conservative economic wise IRL

At the end of the day I will always probably vote democrat. I didn't vote in the last election because I was indifferent to either, I hated them both equally.

shoup88 · 2017-01-04T15:27:18+00:00

I am liberal because I believe a strong society should help it's weakest members. I think immigration can be a positive, marijuana should be legalized, other drug use should be treated as a health matter not criminal, and there should be public funding for the arts.

As a child of a parent with a debilitating disability, that's a very important issue for me. I just don't feel it's a priority for the Conservative Party. Sure, they want a new tax credit, but nothing about new legislation or lowered drug costs.

I don't find Conservatives repulsive - I just disagree with them.

I think that the majority of people who "believe" in God are paying lip service. I have trouble taking their faith seriously.

monkees4va · 2017-01-04T13:24:46+00:00

I'm a classical liberal. By this I mean the stuff espoused by people like Adam Smith, John Locke (to a degree) and Jefferson. In my own country I'd be considered centre-left, but as I understand it 'liberal' in America translates to 'left-wing'. I'm going to assume that's what you meant. My ideology can be summarised as 'Do whatever the hell you want with your life, as long as you don't harm anyone else in doing so'. I have no loyalty to a political party as I judge them by their actions and how they engage with contemporary arguments. I love political philosophy but also recognise sometimes it just isn't the best way to approach 'real' politics.

I am neither Red nor Blue. I find human nature to change depending on the individual and neither explanation seems to recognise this. Generalisations are my problem with the majority of social theory, and I say that as a sociology student.

I am also female and find the description of women in the RP insulting, but I attempt to engage with it as much as I can. I do not engage in casual sex and have been friendzoned multiple times throughout the course of my life. If I've mentioned this though my gender is still the trump card to any of my arguments, so I try to leave it out of a lot of arguments. I came here to learn, not to be attacked.

I'm agnostic. I believe organised religion is essentially a cult and nobody will ever be able to have a definite answer as to what lies beyond. I am not arrogant enough to assume that means nothing exists, nor will I judge somebody for being religious. That's their choice, and as long as they are not coerced into it, I must respect it.

HitchensTwoPointOh · 2017-01-04T14:32:01+00:00

I am a very active liberal who frequently volunteers and runs a nonprofit dedicated to environmental conservation. I am an atheist, and an anti-theist in the same vein as Harris/Dawkins/Hitchens in that I believe religion not only to be an obvious lie, but a pernisicous lie.

I voted for Obama because my main concern was the environment. However I describe my liberalism as classical and align more with figures such as Dave Rubin and Bill Maher and disavow myself from the insanity that is 3rd wave feminism, BLM, and the rest of the SJW nonsense. I (very self-loathingly) voted for Trump because I believe Islam to be the biggest and most dangerous problem the world has ever faced.

I consider myself to be very red pill.

goatismycopilot · 2017-01-04T14:33:46+00:00

I might vote for a socially liberal Republican who was also fiscally conservative but Republicans are all religious nut jobs. I am unbothered by gay marriage, I am not religious, I think teaching "alternatives" to evolution in biology class is fucking nuts, I am in favor of keeping abortion legal. I think hyper patriotism is often a cover for weirdness.

I live in the Bible Belt, I get along with religious people just fine but this whole "America is a Christian" nation thing most of them believe is fucked up. I don't do casual sex or drugs myself but am not worried if other people do. I think the average American worker has really gotten fucked badly but the globalization of corporate entitities. All these people who want to go back to the 1950's conveniently forget that back then with a working class job you could buy a house and a car, and you were far more likely to be in a union and if you worked for a corporation you were far more likely to also get a company pension.

I am just "not Republican" as opposed to screamingly liberal. I work in a "diverse" environment because I am in health care and I am very comfortable working with people who are different than I either racially or culturally not because I am some crunchy granola person but it has always been that way for me. Now on a personal level, I might not agree with some of their beliefs but who cares we are at work and how they run their personal lives is not my concern. For some weird reason I am the supervisor with the most direct reports who are not white, no idea why but I see no difference in their job performance compared to the white people.

I just don't relate to suburban Republicans with their Jesus talk, their dislike of urban and rural concerns, their fears, their helicopter parenting, their life of upscale stripmall shopping, stuffing their faces full of chain restuarant food, and trips to Disney, and golf. If that is the life they want, fine, it just is not mine.

wombatinaburrow · 2017-01-04T09:01:16+00:00

I'm a socialist rather than a liberal (I think the cult of the individual and rights before responsibilities is a large part of what's wrong with society) because I believe that it is the responsibility of the state to care for those who can't care for themselves.

wuboo · 2017-01-04T07:15:16+00:00

Do you mean an origin story?

80_20 · 2017-01-04T12:19:28+00:00

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Republicans come in like three flavors. The idiot, deh comin for ma gunz! The zealot, this is a Christian nation! And the greedy, I'll vote for Hitler 2.0 if my taxes don't go up.

I don't find Republicans repulsive, just mostly greedy or dumb.

I'm pro-science pill. I take science and skepticism seriously. I like statistics and I think big data implications say a lot about us. I seem to get into arguments with blue pillers. But I don't agree with red pill pick up culture either. I don't like manipulating people even for my own benefit. So you can decide what pill I am.

Those that believe in God are dumb and mostly trot out arguments for God which are wishful thinking at best filled with numerous logical fallacies at worst.

[deleted] · 2017-01-04T18:10:54+00:00

Purple here. I'm liberal because, I care about people, animals, and the environment more than money. I believe in progress (both social and scientific), the seperation of church and state, liberty, and personal freedom. I support civil rights, women's rights, and gay rights.

I find Trump supporters repulsive, but I can have nice conversations with reasonable republicans. A lot of conservatives hold a selfish view of the world, and everything revolves around their wallets. It's an understandable viewpoint, but I think humanity should evolve beyond "I got mine, fuck you".

I dislike religion, but not the average religious person. The average person who believes in God goes to church maybe once a week, prays every now and then, and has a life outside of their religion. They don't force their beliefs on other people, or push the boundaries of the seperation of church and state.

Religion is like a crutch, I'm not going to knock it out from under people who need it, but I'm also not going to put up with being beaten over the head with it.

lollygagyo · 2017-01-04T12:22:21+00:00

In practical terms, I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal. So if I were in the US and there were a republican government with Not-Evil values and decent economic policy (ie doesn't hate gay people, minorities etc) then I might vote for that government.

Idealistically speaking, I'm totally a commie who thinks we should burn the whole system down, though.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-01-04T16:26:04+00:00

I'm not "liberal," but I presume you are asking if I am left wing right?

I'm a Socialist at the end of the day. Socialism has always just made intuitively more sense to me ever since I learned about what it was. I am also idealistic, I want to live in Star Trek, and the people in Star Trek are effectively space communists.

I also seen socialism as inevitable, as capitalism cannot last into the near future as automation will take away most people's job prospects. We need to adjust our society so that its acceptable for most people to not work or else we are in for very dark times.

Also, do you have anything against those who believe in God?

I don't like people who believe in god for no reason at all. You believe in god because of the ontological argument, ok then, we can talk about it. You believe in god because that's what you were told to believe as a kid, you never questioned it, tradition, and faith; you need to re-examine your life then.

Offhisgame · 2017-01-04T16:35:42+00:00

In canada most people are liberal. So much so i dont even consider myself liberal. More centrist and just normal. The far right guys only live in hickland. The cities conservatives are just fiscal ones. Not social

DucksCanDance · 2017-01-04T18:02:35+00:00

I'm liberal because I was without employment for about six months and it was absolutely terrifying not having any health insurance, I think the legal regime surrounding health care is completely captured by industry and needs serious reform

The other social safety nets are shit as well

No I don't have anything against the religious but I do tend to view them as somewhat simple and "magical thinking" people

cxj · 2017-01-04T08:37:18+00:00

I think i'm mostly liberal tbh. I love the inflammatory nature of the alt right and while it's shitposting is seductive, it's evidently not powerful enough to overcome the biases of my parents upbringing. I mean, how can the dysfunctional weirdos with terrible financial choices in life be wrong?

The way I see it, there are two types of leftists in the West. The first is the hated "progressive" left, which believes nurture > nature and that humanity can be reformed into a "better" moral state via government. The more extreme form of this are SJWs, and third wave feminism.

The less popular form is what I'll call the "liberal" left, which has two main ideas: resource redistribution and personal freedom. The first idea is that an unregulated economy leads to hugely disproportionate wealth held by a tiny group of people, far past the point where it can make any meaningful lifestyle improvement, and at the expense of the rest of the population. The heart and soul of the western left was always labor unions, which have greatly declined the last few decades for various reasons. The other idea is personal freedom, which is basically that you should be able to do what the fuck you want as long as you are not harming others. I think people should be able to get an abortion but not force others to get one. I think people should be able to to drugs, but should not be able to force the consequences of their lifestyle on others via theft, expensive ER visits etc. People can be gay or whatever, and also should be able to own guns, this is the bizarre reversal that makes no sense to me, originally it was CA Republicans who started gun control to neuter the Black Panthers.

I don't think my ideas are perfect or infallible, but I believe based on my reading of history that modern man sails between a sort of Sylla and Charybdis, that are the corporation and the state. Both have to be effectively played against each other or we will suffer tyranny. Citizens must be armed to the teeth and prepared to kill without hesitation or remorse to fight for their freedom, or live under the shackles of slavery. Corporations want slaves/drones for profit maximization, states do the same really I guess.

IMO what the left really needs is a Donald Trump of our own, who promises to arm homeless veterans and behead companies who undercut workers and shit, and also ISIS at the same time. A real shitkicker, redistributing wealth by force, beating the corporations through literal violence, a modern Robin Hood.

Sweedie · 2017-01-05T06:07:16+00:00

Because I believe in progress over conservatism.

I do lean BP.

I have nothing against those who believe in God, so long as that belief isn't harming other people.

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sunkindonut149 · 2017-01-04T20:47:04+00:00

I am a social democrat because we don't know who will become poor in the future. If I became a bum, I wouldn't want shock troops tazing my ass and hauling me out of town during neoliberal "shanty town removal".

I would like to be able to get free food (the basics like bread and yellow cheese) and live in a tent undisturbed if I became unemployed.

So why not peel off 1 penny from your daily dollar to give to the poor, it's that simple. It's a hedge against the volatility of the jobs market because your own probability of becoming poor is nonzero.

I'm against some "liberal" policies like extreme gun control, requiring people to buy a product, and minimum wages above the market clearing wage.

purpleppp · 2017-01-05T02:21:58+00:00

I'm economically centrist and socially libertarian. Not socially liberal because I'm a free speech absolutist and value free association over anti-discrimination so that would align me more with libertarians/conservatives on some social issues. I think Citizens United was correctly decided, which is a very unpopular opinion among liberals. I supported Clinton even though I really hate her, because Trump seemed more authoritarian (threatening to sue the Onion and journalists for defamation, praising dictators around the world, etc.)

wombatinaburrow · 2017-01-05T04:15:42+00:00

These days I'm a Gnostic Christian Anarchist. My political journey started at 14 when I became involved with Libertarian Party politics due to my parents. Then I took an interest in what is called Mutualism, a social version of anarchism that mixes Market capitalism with anti-state socialism (co-ops and union banking)

Then I became a hardline Marxist then Maoist (at the height of OWS) then I came into post-left anarchism/dada/discordianism

Then a hardcore Witch/Satanist/Occultist

Then I went totally a-political and pure religious (Taoist) and finally to where I am now. A Christian Gnostic after finding out that the earth is indeed flat and the bible is the best book on earth as far as its power to predict the course of humanity.

One thing has stayed the same throughout and that is a disdain for the STATE, which I've come to associate now with Babylon ever lasting.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2017-01-05T04:58:42+00:00

I am a classical liberal that believes in freedom of speech and expression, representative democracy, and small government.

I also think that trump is hilarious.

social liberalism is cancer that has been hijacked by communism. The constant oppression olympics are pathetic for championing weakness outright instead of the victory of the weak over the strong.

Religion is a great thing to study, especially the bible, the most BLOOD RED PILL BOOK ON THE PLANET.

I was surrounded for many years by the most Liberal Blue Pill ideology anyone could possibly stomach, and thought it was the norm. Part of this ideology was a disgust and contempt for religion, which led me to study it to satisfy my curiosity as to how it affects psychology.

Through this process I began to notice the extremist dogmatic ideology I was living in, and how it is based in Marxist thought.

Stating that men should be feminine and women should be masculine is absolutely ridiculous. Both are a net negative for the individuals and the society as a whole, and only leaves people in a weak and soft state in a dangerous world, leaving them open to many more threats.

The weakest and most vulnerable people are the most likely to accept the basically religious dogma that is communism, which then offers "salvation" with its views on "progress" (i.e. faith) towards a magical utopia where human nature and scarcity of resources don't exist. Acting like we are already in this utopia is a recipe for disaster.

Blue Pill is just someone trying to pretend they live in the world of John Lennon's Imagine. Idealism not grounded in realism is pathetic.

dottywine · 2017-01-08T02:22:58+00:00

I'm liberal because I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they are not disrupting someone else's ability to pursue decent life. You wanna be able to walk around with no bra? GO FOR IT! You want to be a professor and know that your skin color or gender is not a barrier in achieving tenure? SURE, WHY NOT!

I just hate the idea of people not being able to live their lives as they want because of ever arbitrary "we hate X people now" of the era.

I think I lean red pill, personally.

ShitArchonXPR · 2017-01-15T15:08:28+00:00

I know I don't count as a "liberal," but I'd like to add to this because I differ with social conservatives and /r/altright and not because of feminist theory or something of that nature.

Do you find republicans repulsive, or are you indifferent?

Theocracy sucks terribly, and not just because of Comstock-style laws. Ask /r/TroubledTeens about the prison camps in Utah for kids that the GOP is fine with. Like Hephzibah House or Straight, Inc. or many, many other examples.

This is why I like "keep Sweden Swedish" ethnic nationalism better than "one nation under God" civic nationalism. Just because I hate Somalis and whatnot and share /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin's view on Australoid attractiveness doesn't mean I want individual freedom taken away--and I feel bad reading about it happening to other people (Weev's article in the Daily Stormer hit hard in the feels), so I know it's not just a matter of "I want my freedoms but I don't give a fuck about other people because us libertarians are evil and selfish." Being an autistic furry who masturbates to cartoon porn didn't make me a leftist or BLM supporter.

Title	Liberals of PPD, why are you a liberal?
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