The term "sexual strategy is amoral" has itself become a blanket term for "I'll do whatever I want, fuck morals!" On a relevant tangent: life itself is amoral, we developed morality because used correctly it is beneficial not just to the "idiot who believes in it" but "the greater good" or society as a whole. That includes you, the unapologetically selfish fuck. The basis of civilization is based on morality. "Life is amoral" and therefore the implication: morality is pointless is in and of itself, naive and disingenuous. If morality wasn't a beneficial evolutionary adaptation, you can believe natural selection would have weeded it out long ago. We condemn women and their hypergamy and their lack of morality or loyalty but then those same people from this sub expect to be able to lay waste to families, fuck married women with children and say "it's her choice because she let me fuck her, I'm just getting mine."
This double standard is not sustainable AND it is incredibly hypocritical. I can't respect men who bitch about shit in other people and then behave in the exact same way. If you don't have any personal system of morality or honour, you're not someone trustworthy. If you are not trustworthy, you are not worth doing business with, you will never be a patriarch who can build up, empower and sustain his own familial legacy in his own right. One should be Machiavellian only when necessary, to preserve one's interests. When you are non-defensively violent with your manipulations, you benefit nothing but your own sadistic lust. You in actual fact put yourself at risk too - but your ego blinds you to the possibility of those you have wronged and their allies seeking revenge upon you. Some people will wait years, until you forget, to strike and destroy you. You won't even remember why your enemy is an enemy, that is an effect of the idiocy in recklessness. Someone with a more balanced view of when it is apt to be immoral, and when it isn't in this war of attrition we call life - thrive and survive far better than those of you who are reckless with total and utter abandon.
This lack of responsibility taken, when our own standards of masculinity dictate we should take responsibility for all of our actions, is anti-masculine. It is ego-rationalising bullshit used to justify unbridled hedonism (within the context of this sub.) It's a defence for "don't judge my immorality, really it's amoral because existential nihilism and science!" There are so many sluts out there free and single that fucking taken women, especially those with pre-established families seems like needless destruction partaken in only to satisfy sadistic-narcissistic urges. I say this having fucked taken women myself. I don't claim to be any better than the men saying otherwise on this sub, but unlike them I am not fucking deluded about what I have done. I know it is immoral, I just don't care what you think about it enough to call it amoral. For the record: I've fucked women with boyfriends (knowingly and unknowingly) - but not any married women. I don't mind being the alpha fucks to a woman with a beta bucks, but not if they have a family. I don't want to wreck peoples families (it is senseless and the kids don't deserve the BS, I don't need a revenge attack when they grow up either) but I will fuck a whore in a less serious LTR (eg: they aren't married, no kids involved.) That's where my personal code of morality has taken me.
It is funny how the likes of anarchists and hedonists (I consider myself an anarchist in some ways, sometimes) think moralists are naive, yet it is they who are in the greater picture, naive. "X is amoral" is a common intellectual argument from the immoral to justify their immorality. Be under no illusions. I have done immoral things. I will do immoral things. I am capable of inflicting incredible pain both psychological and physical. But I don't abuse that power. I use it to create and nourish more than I do to destroy. Where destruction is pointless, why engage in it? Destruction is easy, the real challenge lays in creation. When I use destructive means for non-survival purposes, I will call it immoral. I will own my immorality but I will not gloat about it and shove it in the face of those inferior to me. I will not insult my enemies by telling them my actions are amorally justifiable because I am too big of a bitch to face my own demons. I can do immoral things, call them immoral and still respect myself in a mirror. I don't need to lie/hamster to myself or to others, that is a great part of my strength - the truth is always on my side, people cannot weaponise it against me because when they point something out about me and expect to have weakened me with shock, I am in no shock.
Anything is amorally justifiable, even theft and murder. You're not going to go around doing that now are you? No. Why? Because it will put you in prison. But you won't get locked up for fucking people's wives, so you think you can justify the same kind of immorality due to a lack of legal sanction. Just because it is possible to justify something amorally, it doesn't mean that in the instance you commit that act it isn't immoral. Things are situationally specific. Generally speaking, if the destruction you are causing another is not necessary for your own survival - you are engaging in an immoral act. In reference to the common thread on the sub at the moment: if you fuck someone else's wife and you know she is married, you are being immoral for the sake of your own libido/ego/sadism. Saying "sexual strategy is amoral" after the fact, doesn't change that. That's just a weak rationalisation for why said immorality is OK. Hamstering. If you think I'm being moralist, I'm not. I can justify this code of morality as amoral in much the way you can justify immorality as amoral. Like the OP title says, everything is amoral if you deconstruct if far enough.
I don't want people "bro-knighting" and trying to guilt trip men here for fucking women who were up for it, but were in a relationship. At the same time I don't want those same men doing a 180 the other way saying "fucking up peoples families is fine, it's the beta's fault for not keeping her happy" and then taking no personal responsibility for the part they play in enabling her bullshit. GET SOME PERSPECTIVE AND BALANCE ACCORDINGLY. Also quit bullshitting the rest of us, face up to your immorality.
Here's more irony for you: A guy who admits to his own immorality and writes about the dark triad is the source of this perspective. Haha, fucking hell. Life sure has a sense of humour.
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[–]DaegobahDan 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]deville05 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]dykmidk 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]I8ASaleen 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]prodigyx[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]DolorousRedd-6 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]vissil 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2 points3 points4 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Elim101 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]RPModulator-1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 6 points7 points8 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter -2 points-1 points0 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 5 points6 points7 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]prodigyx[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Kill_Your_Ego -5 points-4 points-3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Mihawk01 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]trpMilo -4 points-3 points-2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link