For the sake of this argument I'm going to exclude kids who have just found the redpill and use it as an excuse to be mad at the female gender. If you've done your reading you'll know that after the anger phase comes the acceptance phase where a redpill man accepts that AWALT, he won't be able to do anything about it or fix the world, and that he just has to use his newfound knowledge to help him get sexual and emotional success.

Now I want to challenge the notion from BPers that the misogyny and sexism rampant on the TRP leads to manipulation, emotional and sexual abuse.

Let's accept for this thread that redpill men ARE sexist and hate women. I firmly don't believe this but I don't want this thread to dissolve into an argument about whether TRP is misogynistic or not. Let's pretend we are and that we hate women and see them as inferior to men.

Now let's look at the actions of a redpill man who hates women:

  • He stays away from women with promiscuous pasts. A person has every right to not want to sleep with or date any other person for any reason they desire. A redpill man chooses not to to marry or date promiscuous women as that lifestyle is at odds with his worldview.

Has he hurt anyone by making this decision? No.

  • If he does sleep with carousel riding women, he makes it clear from the beginning that he is not committing to her or looking for anything serious. He does not lie to her, he does not manipulate her, he sets his boundaries and he sticks to them.

The man sets his boundaries and he makes his intentions clear from the beginning; a woman who is hurt or offended or emotionally damaged by a man she thinks is "using" her has no excuse to complain, when from the start the man has been nothing but open and honest with his intentions. Many redpill men make it clear to their plates that they are seeing other girls at the same time, what a girl chooses to do with that information is her own prerogative, if she stays with him then any emotional pain or hurt she feels at his actions are self inflicted. She has every right and chance to leave whenever she wants. No one is keeping her there.

Have his actions directly hurt or discriminated against anyone? No.

  • A redpill man tries to maintain an abundance of women he is seeing so that if any one woman starts to test his boundaries and cross the lines that he has drawn, he can quickly and precisely exit the relationship before it becomes messy and abusive and replace the woman with one that is more willing to play the game by how he would like it played.

He is not forcing any of these women to operate by these rules, rather he says "these are my terms for our encounters, take it or leave it".

Has he hurt or discriminated against anyone doing this? No. The women can leave as they please, and the man is open about how the relationship will be from the start.

  • A redpill man is acutely aware of how the law is against him and how he is disadvantaged in any he-said she-said scenario.

Terpers are paranoid about false rape claims. A terper understands to stay away from women who can cause such trouble, to make sure every sex act they share is consensual and documented if possible, and to ensure that the mental and emotional wellbeing of the women he sleeps with are maintained so that she does not turn on him. A redpiller has frequent sex with many different girls, and he has the tools to not get angry or bitter when he is denied sex, and not get aggressive or foreceful with girls who don't put out.

As we like to say in our sub, if she is playing games or making you wait, next.

There is a strawman created by bloopers who think that we get angry and violent when we're are denied sex. That is wrong. If we are told no, we next the girl. That is how it is supposed to be done. Any man who calls himself redpill yet still gets salty or flies into a fit of rage when he is rejected is quickly mocked and ridiculed by the rest of the sub.

  • A man who has just discovered the redpill has realised that his relationship is emotionally abusive and that his LTR doesn't respect him or his wishes and sees him as disposable and easy to control. The man tries to take the reigns of the relationship back so that they are on more equal footing by drawing boundaries and reminding his GF that he has options outside of the relationship and they aren't as steadfast as she might have thought.

He does not cheat on her, he does not force her into anything. He just draws new boundaries. Often this does not work because they are too far gone, so he leaves the relationship entirely. He is looking out for his own emotional wellbeing above hers.

In all of these scenarios, if we accept that the man is a misogynist and hates women, where do his actions show this? Who has he hurt? Who has he discriminated against? While internally he may think of her as lesser or as a child etc etc, where do his actions directly harm the woman or emotionally abuse her?

If anything a redpill man treats women with more respect, with more tact, with more understanding than the average frustrated beta. He does not get angry at women for being women, he does not mull over rejections, he sets his boundaries and sticks to them, he is open and honest about his relationships with the women he is seeing, he strengthens the ties with his girlfriend or leaves abusive relationships.

Where does he hurt, discriminate against, or oppress? What actions do redpill men take that actively harm the people around them?

Are redpill men really emotionally abusive, or have we been so conditioned by the "women are wonderful effect" that any man who draws boundaries and looks out for himself at the expense of the women he encounters is labelled emotionally abusive?

If a man is a misogynist on the inside but has never harmed a woman with his actions, should we still shame and demonise him for it?