Look fellas need some red pill advice. Disclaimer: This is a very long post for those who want to analyze a long interaction over several months with this one girl in my rotation that is in my section at our law school that I’d frequently see everyday in school and a lot outside of class. Warning given about length of post. I wanted to give the details and small nuances of my time with this girl to give the the full picture of events from start to now. Idk why I didn’t 3 date rule but we just kept happening to link back up all the time we were both in the same section at our law school and would see each other everyday and she was interesting and I did enjoy chilling with her so i just kept seeing her. So for any red pillers who wanna read and give their input and advice this is a chronological timeline over the course of several months from when I met this girl to now.

I’m a male (25) yrs old.She’s (29) years old almost 30, but fine as fucking hell. She portrays herself very classy and professional the way she presents herself at our law school but still very sexy when we would go out. Met her at my law school both in the same section. I’m pretty social, charismatic, and outgoing she always sees me talking with everyone around campus and going out with girls, friends, social with everyone, etc. I do have a few girls in rotation so I’m ok but I just wanted to figure this girl out she would chill with me a lot but why didn’t I feel like I could build the attraction to make her tingling and I just never got her to submit to me like other girls

Ended up going out one night together went well she was laughing the whole time good convo having fun very social we had a good time then went back to my place. Chillin on my bed talking and then went in for the kiss and she pulled back said in a very soft feminine almost wanting to but not, saying “but were classmates.”

Ended up drinking some wine hanging on the sofa listening to music went in again for kiss later that night and soft reject gave me just kiss on the lips. Ended up just vibing and chilling started to get late like 4 am and she was gonna Uber home and I told her to spend the night.

Sleeps in bed with me and I take my clothes off, she keeps looking at my dick, obviously made my intentions known that im trying to smash. She doesn’t go for it but keeps looking at it and she’s still has her clothes on. Anyway I put my boxers back on and just go to sleep with her next to me. She said to me that night in a teasing way almost “ur my best friend”. (Goddamit im friend-zoned.) She starts to get very anxious like saying I shouldn’t be here and what if people find out I’m here. I was just like relax we didn’t even do anything just calm down come back to sleep I’ll drop u off at ur sisters in the morning which She complied.

Fast forward, we kept going out over the course of several months. First couple months just kissing and sometimes making out nothing more than that really. But in the meantime I was going out with some other chicks and she would see it and knew about it. A lot of the times She would always make jokes like is Thursday girl coming over tonight and she saw makeup on my shirt once and was like u didn’t come to class bc u were getting ready for Tuesday girl with all the makeup. She would see blonde hairs on my couch and be like oh is that from Sunday girl in a joking way but idk if it actually bothered her.

One night she was gonna go out with her sisters and another dude who she has known for a while and she has hooked up with in the past maybe even still hooking up with now who knows she told me later on that he sends her dick pics and shit but anyway he was texting her that night when she came over and she ubered to my crib to hang for a little and said she was gonna go out with her sisters after but ended up going out with me instead and spending the night after.

That night I didn’t try to even hook up with her I picked her up threw her ass on the couch like I was about to initiate and escalate when we went back to my place late and said Im not trying to have sex with u and went into my room to crash. She came and layed beside me in the bed. Next morning we went for breakfast don’t remember what came up in conversation but she did say about something we were talking about ur so predicable and “ur such a yes man” don’t remember what it was about though anyway kept on having breakfast and talking then dropped her off.

Next few months still no sex, no bj, no fingering, nothing but dry humping, making out, sucking on her tits, etc. she would get very wet through her jeans or when she wore my sweatpants like soaking through them when we dry humped but wtf are we in middle school. Every time I tried to escalate and when I’d try to take off her pants I’d hit a wall and she’d say no.

At the university we’d see each other and talk but she would never come up to me it would always be me coming up to her and initiating conversation but when I did we’d sit and eat talk at the tables outside sometimes for hours at a time. Also when we went out together she would always be like don’t post me on insta when we went out to lunch or something I guess she didn’t want people to know we were out together I asked her why and she was like I don’t wanna look stupid in front of our classmates bc u always post with other girls.

Valentine’s Day she came over to hang and came upstairs and I was shirtless I’m pretty muscular and she always comments on my physique. She said I’m not gonna get with u tonight ur a player.

We hung out drinking at my place but yet again no sex I told her that I don’t just want to fuck her and was thinking about making her my gf but she was like i don’t want to be fooling around anymore and I don’t want to bring u in my life calendar dilema bc u shouldn’t have to and that she’s old and doesn’t wanna be messing around anymore and If she’s gonna get involved with anyone it would need to be with someone ltr. Potentially even marrying. I think bc She’s about to turn 30 she thinks she’s about to hit the wall in her head.) After this I stopped talking to her for a while and then we happened to start linking up and going out again like we did and her coming over.

She started to become very physical touching me a lot and making out in public when we went out or on the way back to my car I’d pin her up against the car and we’d make out a lot grabbing and smacking her ass, etc. Same back at my place but once I escalated to sex she’d give me resistance.

She was about to suck my dick a few times once at her sisters place I asked if she wanted to suck it and she was like mmmh and then when I whipped it out she was about to and said I’m not gonna suck ur dick on my sisters couch. Another time at my place she was about to put her lips on it almost teasing me and then stopped.

Another night we were out and she was all over me making out with me in front of everyone in the restaurant and on our walk over to the bars etc. We were sitting and having some drinks and she told me Idk why you’ve been waiting so long it’s not that good (referring to her pussy). I asked her why she gives me so much resistance I want her to want it i don’t need pussy from her and I don’t wanna force it on her if she’s not tingling for it bc then the sex is like a negotiated transaction rather than out of real attraction and desire. Then she said she gives me rejection bc she feels like she’s just another one of my conquests and a notch on my belt and once I get it I’m gonna stop talking to her and lose interest. I told her that’s not the case and not true.

Kept going out but from the beginning up to that point I guess I started acting differently like just being more distant and cold, sometimes say mean shit be a dick to her and then show her a little affection. She would start to say after a few months of going out that she’s always on eggshells with me and I’m so unpredictable and she doesn’t feel fully comfortable with me and secure and she never knows when I’m gonna start being mean to her or if I’m gonna be sweet with her or if I’m gonna drop her off and then she’s never gonna see me again or when I’ll start disrespecting her again bc I would start saying mean ass shit to her and shit.

I guess pushing her away and being an ass to her sometimes changed the dynamic instead of like how I was at the beginning of our interaction when she was basically saying ur my best friend and saying I’m so predictable and a yes man and treating me like a friend zoned beta simp when I was giving her attention and validation and a lot of non sexual energy and making it known that I was into her and wanted to sleep with her.

Whereas now I started acting more distant more cold not giving her all the affection and saying shit about her self esteem her confidence and telling her she’s not assertive and doesn’t know how to talk and be social and putting her down in a way and shit idk if I should’ve done it like that and like berate her and bring her down and make her feel less than although she reacted with a lot more intimacy and affection and would want that attention and validation back when I did shit like that.

She obviously fools around and fucks, all chicks do, whether they want to admit it or not. and I know she’s had one night stands before with dudes. I asked her when the last time she had sex was and she told me it was before corona when we first started talking. she went out with her brother and his friends and stayed out with her brothers friend who was visiting him when they were all out drinking then went back to his hotel and she got fucked by him and she knows that he’s engaged and knows his fiancée.

Then she said it was really before she knew me and she was just trying to make me jealous bc I told her I had a girl over here last week idk which one to believe doesn’t matter really regardless of the time period since we’re not really together or anything but she still got fucked by her brothers engaged friend first night while he was visiting and she knows the fiancée.

I got pissed when she said that and she was like no please now you’re never gonna talk to me anymore. wtf dudes visiting her brother they go out drinking that night it’s getting late and her bro is like come on it’s getting late let’s go back home and she wants to stay out drinking and continuing the night and her bro’s friend promises her bro he’s gonna drop her off later and her bro trusts him bc they all know his fiancée and she goes back to his hotel room with him drunk af and got smashed and ubered home. I met her brother and her family and Have spent the night with her a few times at her sisters place and they all like me a lot her Mom and her sisters text me all the time and shit and her sisters think we’re together and always comment on my insta posts when I’m with her.

After she told me that engaged story shit I was pissed but when I dropped her off I made it seem that we’re on good terms and like I didn’t care at all but then ghosted her for a while and she kept reaching out to me but I just ignored her and not replying.

After a few weeks we reinitiated contact and damn I made her feel like shit about fucking her bro’s engaged homie when they all know his fiancée and then she started crying and shit. Anyway I said that what bothered me was bc she got a low moral compass to do that and no respect for her bro but said fuck it it’s the past and can’t shame her for the past and told her shes just my friend anyway

And since I’m going out with other chicks while we’re talking so it doesn’t make sense u can go see any other dudes and she kept telling me She’s not seeing anyone that ONS happened before we met and she doesn’t wanna see anyone or is talking to anyone else. Told her don’t care about the timeframe dude was engaged and u know his fiancée. I told her to go out and talk to other dudes I’m not her drill sergeant and we’re not together so she can see whoever she wants and she said she only wants to talk to me and doesn’t wanna talk to other guys. After we left, we were outside by my car talking and making out and She said she wanted me to be her boyfriend and I was like na I don’t want to be ur person like that.

Kept going out a few nights but not bringing her back to my place anymore just dropping her off. One night She asked me to be her boyfriend and I told her Na She Came over one night after we went out making out being all touchy at the restaurant and outside the car and went back to my place and she didn’t give me any resistance but I denied her sex.

Next night same shit came over took her pants off had her butt naked smacking my dick all over her pussy teasing her she wanted it bad then smacked her ass and said I’m not gonna fuck u ur gonna wait for it. She looked back and said why, are we not on good terms and I just kept teasing the shit out of her.

Slept naked next to me kept trying to get on top of me and grind up on my dick I just kept teasing her and denied her sex. (Did it because she was withholding for months and now she wants it... Na I don’t need it that bad, now shes gonna wait.) She was stroking it and looked down at it said holy shit I’ve never seen it so huge and I told her to suck it and she said no I’m not good at it then I said I don’t care I want u to suck it babe and she was like I don’t suck dick ur not my bf u don’t get that privilege !

Fast forward I left overseas for a whole month and the whole time she kept texting me everyday sometimes multiple times a day all this sweet shit kissy faces saying how much she misses me and can’t wait to see me and counting down the hours till i get back home.

I asked her what she wanted when we were texting and she was like, it’s just not that easy and it’s hard for her to be affectionate around someone like me bc she views me as a ladies man bc I hang out w a lot of girl’s and with more than one girl in the same day sometimes and she feels like I lose interest when girls are sweet/nice to me

Said she needs more time to feel fully comfortable around me and moves at a slower pace because she has a lot of reservations and concerns and it takes her a while to get there where She doesn’t feel hesitant (although didn’t take her that long to feel comfortable and not hesitant w that engaged dude that railed her)

Told her she’s had enough time to get comfortable and that it’s gone on far too long and if that’s the case I’d rather pursue someone else who is actually interested and sure about what they want and told her I’m eventually gonna get tired of it and just move on

She told me it’s complicated and she misses me can’t wait to see me saying she’s counting down the hours till I get back. I was very distant with her, cold, short late replies for like a week, and she was texting me everyday for that week multiple times a day and I just wouldn’t reply back or when I did just be kind of cold and distant

Then we talked on the phone some nights while I was gone for that month I showed her a little affection to reel her back in and make her feel wanted but tbh I feel like it just gave her attention and validation bc right before I got back she started acting distant and busy. Ended up texting till I got back home from the trip after that month and set up a time to meet.

Got back home and we made plans for Thursday she texted me last minute saying her best friend was leaving to Texas tmrw and she was gonna come over to see her for the last time and maybe we could reschedule the next day or the day after. I didn’t make a big deal about it said all good no worries. Ended up making other plans that night and going out.

The next day her and I went out and she was like I know u went out with another girl last night I told her Na I was out with friends. She was like ok call ur friend and let’s see if u were with him. She was looking through my Instagram most recent followers and looked at this chicks story and saw we were both at the same place. Then was asking to see my dm’s. She said it irked her when I post with other girls and got jealous and went kinda psychomode a little. Anyway I played it off like whatever and we ended up having a good night and didn’t really bring it up again.

Anyway then she tried to pull some shit the next day like I don’t think we bring out the best in each other and I don’t think this is gonna work out long term and I don’t wanna continue doing what we were doing bc we need different kinds of people.

We went out again and I agreed it’d be the last time and we were talking and drinking and shit and It was all good I cleared the air about everything and really got to her emotionally I don’t remember what I said but said to me “u ignite this feeling in me” I said what feeling , and she was like “idk u just got it, its like this strong feeling of attraction, but I need more than that” we talked a lot and she was very touchy with me and we were both making it seem like it was the last time snd we’re gonna stop talking for good she started to tear up and cry a little but kept trying to touch me and hug me and kiss down my neck

she said she was crying bc how disrespected she felt about the things I would say to her and she really really liked me. We kept drinking and talking. when I dropped her off she almost didn’t wanna get out of the car she kissed me down my cheek and down my neck and kept putting her arms around me in the car while I was driving hugging me.

I dropped her off and then she texted me that night, again the morning after, but I didn’t reply, then she commented on my story the next day and I replied back to her. Now Been talking over text here and there over the past week. Might initiate a meet up again but I’m not so sure, I might just cut this off for good and completely let her go but I want to know:

  1. Look fellas, firstly I want to know what I did wrong in my game from the initial interaction and early stages where I placed myself in the beta orbiter zone?

  2. Was I the beta orbiter who she wasn’t sexually attracted to the entire time but enjoyed the attention and non sexual energy? (if so why did she come over late hours of the night pay for an Uber all the way to my crib and back like 40 mins away and spend so much time with me. Also there were no free dates when we went out she paid too)

  3. Or was it that I came off as just a guy who was insincere and couldn’t trust bc his intentions from the start were just to pump and dump and was withholding and resisting to hold out to get me attached and invested in her so I don’t stop talking to her after ?

4)Where did I go wrong in the beginning of us going out to where I didn’t build the attraction and have sex the first few dates?

  • lack of: enough push/pull, plausible deniability, building sexual tension and urgency, rapport, masculine frame, too sexually eager, or lack of emotional connection or all of the above ?
  1. In the middle when there was attraction why did she still give resistance every time we escalated to sex if a girl has passion and desire and wants to fuck really bad she would not keep doing that and give lmr every single time or at least make it a little easier and escalate with me instead of giving resistance?

  2. How does she get smashed by this engaged dude who’s friends with her bro who she knows his fiancé first night in his hotel room but she comes over and gives me all this resistance after months of coming over and hooking up ? (Feel like a beta cuck and this dude was the chad or Tyrone every time I think about that shit makes me feel emasculated and a straight beta fuck that.)

  3. Why did she keep coming over and chilling with me late at night pay for her Uber to my crib at like midnight want to spend so much time with me every weekend Friday nights to come chill with me. Just fun good time and entertainment teddy bear ?

  4. Considering the beginning of the timeline I feel like I was just her beta orbiter but then after a little she was attracted to me maybe but only when I started being more alpha. But why did she not wanna smash and gave me resistance every time we were about to have sex. Ok first couple times I can maybe understand, but almost everytime? I feel like if a chick is attracted sexually she’s not gonna make it so hard to try to smash and she will want to put in the effort for sex out of her own natural innate desire. Was she actually into me or was I just her beta orbiter back-up second option the whole entire time?

Advice appreciated fellas