Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.

Interversity · 2015-07-07T10:13:32+00:00

I'm with you on most of that, which is why I like to just sit in the middle and be purple.

A few things though:

Stop saying it's about "self improvement". It may turn into self improvement for many, but 90% of new recruits are there for the promise of pussy.

It's true the initial motivation for most of 'em is sex. But that doesn't mean RP doesn't teach some self-improvement too. Lifting is self-improvement, as is gaining confidence. This is why I think they're a slight tier above the old fashioned PUAs. It's not just fancy pickup line shit, it's changing how you act to get what you want.

the harder you follow TRP the more you're going to alienate yourself from friends and family

Why do you say this? Due to many factors, and yes lurking RP a little is one, I have built up a mindset of self-responsibility and taking control of my life for myself. These are all things RP supports.

As a result I've looked at myself and said "shit, I'm not where I want to be right now." So I am taking concrete steps to fix that. I have lost weight already, and I am working out a few times a week so I can be FUCKING HENCH FAM, and I am doing things in my professional life I've always wanted to but basically always found excuses not to do.

Anyway, doing all of that has done the opposite of alienate me from my friends and family. They comment on how much better I look and how much happier I seem and my family are proud of me for all of it.

Now I can understand why you'd think it'd alienate you from your friends if it taught you to speak to them like they do on Reddit. But it doesn't though. Anyone who does that is an idiot who's doing it wrong.

But yeah the rest of it I have no real disagreement with. I don't believe it is ever a good idea to align yourself strongly with any particular label, or set yourself up to defend any ideology in its entirety. Indeed often I'll scroll through some TRP posts and think "what the fuck is this bullshit?"

However, if you think for yourself when you read it instead of just taking it all in as gospel, you can find the bits that fit you and your situation and get a lot of good out of it I think.

theory_of_kink · 2015-07-07T11:34:09+00:00

90% of the citizens are bluepill

No. Most people are closer to purple. It's red and blue that are on the fringe.

GynaTynglez · 2015-07-07T03:43:10+00:00

It's about time for the daily reminder: Blue pill is not the opposite of red pill. Blue pill is simply not red pill, and sees problems with the Red Pill dogma. I'm a traditional, submissive blue pill woman.

alreadyredschool · 2015-07-07T03:37:16+00:00

Stop saying it's about "self improvement". It may turn into self improvement for many, but 90% of new recruits are there for the promise of pussy.

Blue pill says we say this a lot more than we actually say it. We say we've got some self improvement within but what we're really about understanding the world and reacting to it.

(More specifically, the harder you follow TRP the more you're going to alienate yourself from friends and family).

You were never red pill. Red pill advocates you socialize and value your family, especially your father. If you didn't get that then you didn't understand the pill well enough to have swallowed it.

TRP has some good ideas, work out, self imporve etc.

These are not RP ideas. They're consequences of RP ideas. Anyone who understand the theory would know that these things are necessary. We talk about them for the instrumental value of doing them right but these things are not the core of the red pill. Lifting's got a unique place though in that it's nonnegotiable, but for philosophical reasons having to do with what the world is like and not in its essence for self improvement reasons, though outside of its essence it's done for additional self improvement reasons.

"oh if you don't lift 5 times a day and spin 12 plates at once YOUR LIFE SUCKS.

Yeah, you were never red pill.

Basically you're both extremists.

I'm an extremist; others aren't. Depends on the individual.

l_lecrup · 2015-07-07T11:43:37+00:00

Blue Pill is pretty poorly defined.

I think TRPers will hate this analogy, but for me TBP is to TRP as atheism is to theism. In other words, the blue position is merely that TRP spouts a load of nonsense and TBP needn't offer "an alternative" to point that out.

I don't subscribe to either, perhaps my above analysis strikes most of you as more purple than blue, I am not sure. I don't like labels just ideas. I reckon TRP will burst once they start demanding good evidence and reason. It shouldn't take long since there is a big STEM crossover there.

Whisper · 2015-07-09T00:42:08+00:00

Stop saying it's about "self improvement". It may turn into self improvement for many, but 90% of new recruits are there for the promise of pussy.

The purpose of self-improvement is quality of life improvement. So when you're short of pussy, that means more pussy. So?

It teaches people how to be an asshole, because being an asshole gets you laid. You're still an asshole though.

And I'm getting laid. Again, so?

(More specifically, the harder you follow TRP the more you're going to alienate yourself from friends and family).

No, not really. My friends are assholes, too. We're not assholes to each other. We're just assholes to people who come along as total strangers, having earned no gratitude or loyalty from us, who say "gimme". Those people deserve all the asshole we can muster.

TRP has some good ideas, work out, self imporve etc. Yet you guys can't help but turning up to 11 and saying "oh if you don't lift 5 times a day and spin 12 plates at once YOUR LIFE SUCKS.

If you lift 5 times a day, either you will overtrain and get weak, or you are not lifting heavy enough.

If you are spinning 12 plates, you have no time to work on your career, make money, have hobbies, or... lift.

Take your exaggerated bullshit home.

masterrod · 2015-07-07T14:06:59+00:00

Stop saying it's about "self improvement". It may turn into self improvement for many, but 90% of new recruits are there for the promise of pussy.

Pussy can only be obtained by self improvement. There's no getting around it.

It teaches people how to be an asshole, because being an asshole gets you laid. You're still an asshole though. (More specifically, the harder you follow TRP the more you're going to alienate yourself from friends and family).

Being tough doesn't make you an asshole. The RP teaches not to take shit from women, or anyone. A person is an asshole if they want to be..

TRP has some good ideas, work out, self imporve etc. Yet you guys can't help but turning up to 11 and saying "oh if you don't lift 5 times a day and spin 12 plates at once YOUR LIFE SUCKS.

True

Yet I personally will avoid the mistake of going Full Red Pill / Full Blue Pill ever again.

Good idea. :)

GayLubeOil · 2015-07-07T10:34:03+00:00

Everything you wrote about the Red Pill is completly wrong.

The Red Pill is comitted to self improvement thats why I get so many requests for fitness and nutritional consultations ovet skype.
The Red Pill isnt about being an asshole. The Red Pill is about setting and enforcing stamdards for yourself. Fat girls might think im an asshole for not talking to them. But I have too much dignity to lay side by side with a farm animal. I have standards.
TRP and I frequently turn up to 11 because if you want to help men you have to first get their attention. My post: Blood Sacrifice for The Iron Gods is an excellent example of tbis strategy. Tons of men are taking their nutrition a lot more seriously because I cock slapped them with thevreal.

The Blue Pill is perfect in every way. Dont Change. They are my loyal opposition and legitimize me in TRP. The attention they provide is very beneficial.

XOXO GLO

LifterofThings · 2015-07-07T04:31:39+00:00

Red pill is descriptive, not prescriptive.

It offers the tools for encouraging certain behaviors out of others. How an individual uses these tools, to what extent, or whether they use them at all is up to that individual-- TRP just provides a more realistic (imo) picture of what kind of consequences one can expect for particular actions and attitudes.

thejimmy86 · 2015-07-07T04:44:29+00:00

In more or less agree with you OP. I'm a little red pill by nature but some of the crap trp followers say makes me cringe. Both sides are striving to make some sense of a changing culture, a culture that I believe IS trying to shift a paradigm handed down by biology.

ToshiroOzuwara · 2015-07-07T03:42:42+00:00

I believe the OP. Very sincere post.

cats_or_get_out · 2015-07-07T14:08:02+00:00

A new, entirely different dynamic emerges. I use to think that gender difference were artificial, social constructs. 10+ years in the working world has disabused me of this notion.

Women are different creatures. Generally speaking, we are uncomfortable with confrontation, discord, and criticism. Enter hurty feelings. Yikes. But on the other hand, we all get homemade cake on our birthdays, and the coworkers are very supportive.

I couldn't, however, work in my husband's all alpha, all male workplace (a particularly manly subset of the USMC). He gets along just fine. We're both on extreme ends of homogeneous workplaces.

Cyralea · 2015-07-07T15:47:16+00:00

It teaches people how to be an asshole, because being an asshole gets you laid.

It teaches you to place more importance on yourself than others, which draws ire from the bucket of crabs trying to hold you down. Don't really care what the other crabs think.

RP has some good ideas, work out, self imporve etc. Yet you guys can't help but turning up to 11 and saying "oh if you don't lift 5 times a day and spin 12 plates at once YOUR LIFE SUCKS

I have literally never seen this. It's rather amusing that you used hyperbole to criticize non-existent hyperbole.

Stop saying it's about "self improvement". It may turn into self improvement for many, but 90% of new recruits are there for the promise of pussy.

It is about self-improvement. Improving to the point where you can maintain the value needed to draw in desirable elements like sexual access.

We live in a democratic society and 90% of the citizens are bluepill, sometimes fitting into that populous is advantageous.

And TRP would promote it if it was genuinely advantageous. The core of TRP is pragmatism. It just so happens that most BP advice simply doesn't work, it just makes them feel good to possess the beliefs.

alreadyredschool · 2015-07-07T05:43:05+00:00

Blue pill is not female centric. It's just not red pill.

Red pill is just "low-end beta-male" centric.

(Yes, being an "asshole" might get you laid. "plates" were described the other day by a trper (could have been 'Whisper') as women who think they're dating a man. Yes, lying might get you in like Flynn.)

Anyone saying "You don't want to be stuck in a miserable job with an ugly wife and 2 kids you don't even like." was never a feminist (except for the miserable job bit).

BaadKitteh · 2015-07-07T17:38:52+00:00

Too bad there's nothing to "agree with" or not about "Blue Pill"; blue pill is simply everything else that isn't red pill.

The really important thing here is that you've found a way to feel superior to everyone, so you have that going for you.

Reginleifer · 2015-07-07T20:59:19+00:00

Calm down Mercutio.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-07-07T03:49:22+00:00

I think your assumption that "blue pillers" ignore the very real issues faced by boys and men in terms of education and health is incorrect.

let_terror_reign · 2015-07-07T04:15:37+00:00

Asshole is a judgement - you're imposing a moral compass when you call someone an asshole. At TRP, we accept the fact that there is no ABSOLUTE MORALITY.
TRP is largely about self improvement. Almost entirely. Getting pussy happens to be an extension of improving our social lives. I see no contradiction.
TRP resulting in alienation from friends and family doesn't make it "bad", it's about finding out what you want and getting it. If friends and family are holding you back, cutting them off may be necessary to move forward.
If anything, the only grouse I have with the red pill (not even with TRP itself, per se) is that almost everyone becomes extremely cynical.

ERockEfreedom · 2015-07-07T03:36:21+00:00

RedPill is like the online KKK of gender.

SirNemesis · 2015-07-07T04:33:31+00:00

I hate the self-improvement bullshit. Trip is about sexual strategy. Any self-improvement is incidental. Many of us are perfectly fine outside our sex lives and don't need self improvement.

user6580 · 2015-07-07T16:26:44+00:00

TRP teaches you the ugly side of women, and if you stay there too long you will start hating them. A drop of hate for women is not a bad thing for the guy who puts them on a pedestal and thinks that all their worries will be solved if they could just find a girlfriend. But too much is too much.

PUA gets a bad rap but I actually think it might be better than TRP. I've read Models and am currently reading The Book of Pook and the major difference between them and TRP is that they are POSITIVE. For all the talk about self-improvement, it really is a negative place.

exit_sandman · 2015-07-07T05:11:30+00:00

and does not offer an alternative to the red pill.

I've tried to offer plenty of alternatives. TRPers shit on them because "Nuh uh, it doesn't work".

Blue pill is female centric and value of ideas or opinions are based off a female point of view

Que?

It teaches people how to be an asshole, because being an asshole gets you laid.

You can get laid without being an asshole and being a nice guy. It's not that hard.

sohamster · 2015-07-07T03:52:54+00:00

OK, you can get rid of the ugly wife with a divorce, but you are stuck with the kids you don't like. Blue pill is not the opposite of the red pill. If you notice there are a wide variety of people there. It is a reaction to the red pill. If you want "blue pill" dating advice google relationship advice, It would be any mainstream dating advice. or go to

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/

Title	Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.
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