Redpill Worries Me

ILoveJuices · 2018-04-29T21:18:30+00:00

Every man is looking for the NAWALT. /r/theredpill is essentially a way for men to protect themselves from being destroyed by marriage and children while still dating. If you can be the unicorn/NAWALT, then you will have no problems in the arena of commitment. Guys know when they have something special and will hold fiercely to it. A fair pre-nup can actually protect both sides from the fear of divorce-rape as well.

WhatIsThisAccountFor · 2018-04-29T23:26:42+00:00

Ok so the redpill general sub is all about the "rage phase". People (men) gravitate toward the red pill sub because they are in a state of anger and frustration. You won't find many true alphas there, because the entirety of that sub is to teach men how to be alpha, and for upset non-alpha men to rant about their frustrations with women.

Unfortunately, most men are not alpha. It's just how life works. Most men are not born good looking, most men are not competitive, most men are not strong and burly, most men are not sure of themselves, most men are not leaders, most men are not successful. These are all learned traits that men acquire over a very long period of time. And they are all very difficult to learn/acquire.

Think of TRP main sub as a boot camp for men. You've heard military boot camps, and probably seen representations of what a boot camp looks and sounds like. They're vulgar, excessive, strict, unrealistic zones created so that men can learn how to be tough, strong, and how not to crack under pressure. It is not designed so that men can have the option to learn, it is designed so that the ONLY option is to either learn or fail. TRP is a mental boot camp for men. It is unrealistic and over exaggerated to show men that unless you work out, unless you are successful, unless you are charismatic, you are worthless. That beautiful woman who friendzoned you because she thinks of you as a brother would have fallen in love with you if you exhibited these traits. That is what TRP is.

But with that being said, TRP just focuses on unfavorable truths. Monogamy is made for women and beta men. Monogamy is not designed for alpha men. A desirable man's goal instinctively is to spread his genes as much as possible, not to find the only woman who can likely bear a maximum of 5 like kids if they try. An alpha, if he listened to his genetics would try to have as many children as possible, and would marry as many of the youngest, most fruitful women he could afford. This is why the wall is a thing, because the older a woman is the less children she can have. It doesn't really matter what we learn to counteract our genetics, what women will be attracted to are always protectors/providers (strength and success in modern day), and what men will be attracted to are always the young and sexually attractive. The wall is an unfortunate real thing. You can never get back your youth. But lucky for women, polygamy is illegal in every first world country, so men are forced to marry if they want kids or a lifetime partner. And ending marriage is very messy and difficult for men.

BUT there is another silver lining here that is actually positive for women. Men are very unlikely to be successful or strong when they are young, but women are very likely to be desirable and beautiful when they are young. This creates a sense of frustration among men who are not top tier, because they essentially have no options for the entire time after high school until they are around 27-30ish years old when (if) they've made something of themselves. This time period in a man's life is pivotal, because during this time is when he either finds a woman who sees potential in him and lives happily ever after, or when he becomes angry at the world and finds TRP or something similar to it. Men during this time are most likely to commit long term because they value loyalty way more than women realize. Imagine if you perceived yourself as worthless, and everything around you reinforced the feeling that you were worthless, but then some man swooped in and made you feel like you meant something to them. Even if you eventually became worth something, you would value that he saw your worth before anyone else did. Men are not different in this regard. This "in between" period is THE period to find a quality alpha who is still willing to commit.

Your goal is not to see TRP and fear all men, your goal is to find men with potential before they need TRP and be the "happily every after" story.

sonder_one · 2018-04-30T02:01:52+00:00

Men spend their lives being fed blue pill extremism. To get them recalibrated towards where they need to be, opposite extremism is applied. That is TRP.

It's like how women worry that if they strength train, they'll look like female bodybuilders and be unfeminine. The reality is that most women are so out of shape that no matter how hard they're pushed in the direction of strength training, they still won't go too far.

TRP tells men what they need to hear to get away from the blue pill. That's a good thing for women. Let it be. You know full well that a lot of what women discuss privately isn't good for men. Let them have their space.

the_Milkweed · 2018-04-30T13:26:29+00:00

Not all of us are angry, we are just tired

ContemporaryBelle · 2018-04-29T21:06:32+00:00

I have noticed that even in married red pill it seems like a lot of the success stories boil down to getting a divorce and more women. It seems a lot of the red pill mentality is in direct opposition to keeping a long term relationship and it is reflected by how many marriages of red pill men are ending. There may be some truth in some of the theories but I personally would not want a partner who was deeply entrenched in the red pill community.

r2401 · 2018-04-29T21:13:21+00:00

You're not looking for the typical guy in redpill men probably. You're looking for tradcons.

johnfire146 · 2018-04-29T21:19:08+00:00

Some of the guys in there have been burned. Those guys will post more and will have stronger feelings on things. Compare it to marriages, you always hear about the bad ones but never really the good ones

ThePantsThief · 2018-04-30T09:13:23+00:00

TRP has a lot of authors with a lot of different mindsets. Swaths of angry, bitter young men go there in hopes of validating their feelings => posts about how much women suck get upvoted to the top.

You have to really sift through a lot of crud there to find good reading material. I usually only read things from "endorsed contributors."

plein_old · 2018-04-29T21:10:05+00:00

I'm older than some of the "RP" male bloggers and RP reddit moderators, and it seems to me that, long before reddit existed, men and women noticed differences in each other, and some men and women appreciated those differences and tried to make the most of them, tried to complement each other well. This is something talked about in a lot of religious traditions, even, and in a lot of human cultures around the world.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't invented with reddit. :)

In terms of advice, I would say you might try identifying what qualities you look for in a man--you might even write them down-- and then review that list once a week so you keep it fresh in your mind. Then when you stumble upon a good man, it will be easier to recognize him.

If you want to see a man I admire, check out Phillip Rivers, the Chargers QB. I'm not sure I agree with having children so quickly one after the next, but I admire some of his values and his ability to be a leader of men. He married his high school sweetheart, and he's big on fidelity and so on. He's also done well career wise. There are interviews with him on youtube. He seems like a decent guy to me.

I'd also say, you might just ignore advice or ideas that don't feel right to you.

JTRonald · 2018-04-29T23:52:42+00:00

TRP and RPW are not in the same dating pool. TRP's main demographic are disgruntled former bluepills who are learning how to be successful with women. It is much harder to be successful with women if you purposefully limit the number of women you interact with by only pursuing monogamous relationships.

RPW are looking for naturally RP men. Naturally RP men do not share the same attitudes as TRP. They haven't experienced the mass rejection, sexual frustration, or cruelness that the dating world can dish out. They aren't jaded. Don't waste your time on TRP or worrying about their perogatives when they are incompatible with your own.

OilyB · 2018-04-30T10:39:33+00:00

Don't forget TRP is designed to wade through the swamp of superficial, ego infested, materialistic women to get to 'real love' and to learn how to recognize it.

Mgtow on the other hand, is to teach and coach men to entirely stay away from all women.

Don't confuse those two.

TRP teaches us all the important points on how to recognize 'bad' women. But primarily how to improve ourselves, how to increase market value, so as to flip the power dynamic - 'supply' becomes 'demand' and vv. The dating scene is a trough of superficial, highly demanding women we can't build anything with. We learn to quench our thirst of a good supply of sexuality in our younger years and afterwards we'd like to find true love. But we're made fully aware of the pitfalls on our way there so we don't make any mistakes our bp brothers make. Superficial women use us, we just learn to use them back by being in high demand by as many women as possible.

Hope this helps.

ContemporaryBelle · 2018-04-30T11:04:11+00:00

True. I have been pondering if part of the problem is that by the time a lot of men find red pill it's been after years of a bad relationship or when they have been entrenched in bitterness. There does seem to be a bit of difference in outlook though between RPW and the other red pill groups. Posts I have read in this group emphasize that a woman needs a man with a healthy blend of alpha and beta traits to be a good husband and father whereas in the other groups it seems like a lot of one-upping on how to be the most alpha. Maybe the philosophy is fundamentally the same but the bitterness and feelings of emasculation I suppose makes the male competitiveness manifest as a toxic show of trying to be the most manly.

[deleted] · 2018-04-29T23:41:17+00:00

I think a lot of the RPW concepts work Very well with men who never heard of the red pill.

Don't use RP men as your template. A lot of them wouldnt be on the RP forum if they met women like y'all initially.

JJ3314 · 2018-04-29T21:37:12+00:00

“One moment men complain that women are promiscuous in their youth until they hit the wall, the next minute they talk about spinning plates and how only younger women are of any worth to them. Is that what I have to expect from men?”

Your worries are justified. I would advise you find a traditional man, not a “redpill” man per se, because the traditional man is not yet cynical about marriage. And then it would be partly up to you to decide whether or not your marriage becomes a stastic, or thrives.

I include the above quote to point out that the redpill is in response to female promiscuity. It’s not the cause. The cause was the sexual revolution, and the horse is out of the barn by this point. No individual man has the power to change this behavior in young women, which is widespread. Therefore the attitude is to “enjoy the decline,” since the unacceptability of your typical woman for marriage is assumed as a given (particularly given current divorce laws). An older woman, who was part of this promiscuous culture when she was younger, is thought to generally add nothing with age. It’s an attitude that completely makes sense IMO, though I think some men can find subpopulations of women that are worth the risk of marriage.

digbybare · 2018-04-30T20:11:19+00:00

I find that, although both subs believe the same fundamental truths about biological imperatives between the genders, they have different goals for what to do with that knowledge.

Red pill theory says that men have a drive to mate with as many young, beautiful girls as possible, while women want to secure commitment from the single highest value man they can. As far as relationship dynamics, this means that men naturally want to be players, and women naturally want to branch swing, neither behaviors leading to a strong monogamous relationship.

TRP takes this knowledge and says you should embrace your natural masculine desires. It's all about teaching men how to become alpha and be able to sleep around.

RPW on the other hand is all about teaching women how to consciously resist their natural inclinations to branch swing. It's more of a sub of understanding your base instincts, and how you can work to overcome them.

So, they're actually not complimentary subs at all. The opposite of TRP would be a sub teaching women how best to covertly hunt for a higher value man while they're in a relationship. And the opposite of RPW would be a sub teaching men how to try to overcome their desire for variety and instead commit to one woman.

[deleted] · 2018-05-05T01:40:45+00:00

Stop reading that forum. The majority there are not representative of high value men. They are in training or complaining.

tuyguy · 2018-05-02T21:33:10+00:00

Most members of the TRP sub are bitter, angry young men. I was one and I visited that sub every day for a couple of years. I read the entire library in the sidebar.

It's more of a place where young men go to understand modern sexual dynamics and to let go of their anger. You're there to learn, grow, acquire skills and change. Then when you're done you can leave. And yes there is no shortage of circle jerking about women's flaws. You don't want those guys anyway and most men aren't like that.

Fearofthedark88 · 2018-04-30T00:53:25+00:00

I read that sub occasionally, I disagree with the assumption that women are inherently less intelligent or emotionally unstable. I believe that women as whole are socialized to act certain ways in order to be controlled.

[deleted] · 2018-04-30T01:05:43+00:00

Hey. I’m RP but with a wonderful woman at a 4 count including me. She gives lots of value to my life and as a result I have sworn off plates. Plenty of RP men have LTRs. Most wont marry just because marriage laws are fucked for men, but that doesn’t mean we won’t give commitment to the right one.

The real problem is that because of the feminism fueled cock carousel ideal men can constantly get laid. This means you have to decide whether to put out early and hope to oxytocin him into bonding but risk walking away with another n count, or to play it conservative and risk him losing interest because of how important sex is to us.

Good luck. Thank you feminism for providing quality men with unending sexual partners to the detriment of traditional women who now must compete in a slut fueled sexual market. May you be lucky enough to find a quality guy just as he’s looking to LTR like my girl did. Don’t blame RP for these conditions, blame 3rd wave radical feminism.

Zohso · 2018-04-30T03:28:38+00:00

You genuinely need to filter the hate. A lot of men here have been burned and are bitter. Understandably. Most here, like yourself, are looking for self improvement. Just filter it out and keep working on you.

cherryhearts · 2018-04-30T17:12:52+00:00

To give you an idea, a lot of the men in that subreddit are very jaded due to their past experiences.

You're still looking for a man of value - speaking for myself I sure as hell wouldn't want to be with one of those big cry babies.

There are many men who follow the redpill theory without being total knobs. In fact most of those men aren't spending their time whining about women on reddit I can assure you that.

denimondemon · 2018-04-30T02:03:23+00:00

Men do care about youthful looks and it is prudent to find a good man while you have them. But as long as you treat him how he wants to be treated and work on improving yourself you will be fine.

The red pill truth is women are bitches that bitch. This is because we historically needed to test a man's loyalty and ability to help us because we were pregnant or with a small very need infant for a lot of our reproductive years.

Find a man whose parents are still together. If your mate's father is a family man than chances are he will be.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2018-04-30T02:35:19+00:00

What you want to find is a man who isn't bitter about women, and you'll be fine. Honestly what percentage of the population you think consists of these men? I wouldn't think it's very high. There's so many guys who don't view women this way. It might be easier for me to say because I found the right guy, but I think there's plenty right guys out there and you gotta focus on being the right gal and scouting the right guy out.

IVIaskerade · 2018-04-30T10:47:06+00:00

The TheRedPill subreddit is for men. It optimises for male sexual strategy.

RedPillWomen is for women. It optimises for female sexual strategy.

They share the same core of ideas, but use those ideas to get different outcomes.

JHNewman · Mon Apr 30 1:04:39 2018 UTC

Catholic guy (obvious incompatibilities with some of the strategies advocated on TRP) chiming in to voice my agreement; I think this subrredit has a much healthier view of how one should respond to RP truths. RPW gives me hope and encouragement to resist succumbing to the cynicism and nihilism of TRP (although I still read it).

[deleted] · 2018-04-30T14:15:05+00:00

Women are free to choose who please them. There is little reason to worry. Outside of assault or rape, no man can force a woman to accept him.

Bruchibre · 2018-05-02T08:03:47+00:00

Hello friend,

Redpill like you say is a community, which implies minority :)

Likewise if a man doesn't want to be with a "promiscuous woman who hit the wall blablabla" he should just look for someone else who shares similar values, if you don't want to be with a guy following Redpill it should be easy to avoid meeting such a guy, just move on if you feel that a guy is not treating you well.

Is that what I have to expect from men?

No. Only from Redpill men and I dare you to meet one in real life.

That they'll simply leave me for some younger bimbo once i turn 35?

No. I think such men wouldn't be with you to begin with so don't bother.

How do you ladies learn to accept a community that seems to (largely) treat us as disposable?

OK I'm not a lady. But like I said you don't have to accept the community :)

ChrismaKwanzukah · 2018-05-02T13:56:07+00:00

what is NAWALT?

Guywithgirlwithabike · 2018-04-30T13:07:04+00:00

If you didn't want to know what men really thought about you, you probably shouldn't have gone poking around a male-dominated internet forum dedicated to sexual strategy.

Maybe you could direct your concern towards how we all came to be in this situation. That sub has over a quarter-million subscribers. How badly do women have to be fucking up for something like that to happen?

theoppositeopinion1 · 2018-04-30T14:59:36+00:00

I need advice on how to stop worrying about men only caring about me for my youthful looks.

What else do you offer? If all you have going for you is looks, then yes, you should be worried. However, hopefully you have other things, like:

a pleasant demeanor
supportive and make him feel good
good cook, other domestic duties
good follower, help him on his mission
if you want to be a stay at home mom, add economic value other than bringing home money (pack lunches, sew new curtains so you don't have to buy them)

Title	Redpill Worries Me
Author	Szymmy
Upvotes	105
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Date	April 29, 2018 8:58 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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