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When sexual assault data doesn't back feminist claims, data must be wrong. Aka "Sex assault reports on Canadian campuses too low, say experts"

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by onehonesttruth on /r/TheRedPill
09 February 2015 01:44 PM UTC
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Feminist groups in universities in Canada just CANNOT accept any concept that their message message isn't backed up by data. If data doesn't support their claims, THE DATA MUST BE WRONG! Urgh.... Why is this kind of unscientific approach even tolerated in academic communities.

I kid you not. Here are some quotes of the article below.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sex-assault-reports-on-canadian-campuses-too-low-say-experts-1.2948321

Overall, experts say the number of sexual assaults reported to Canadian post-secondary schools is surprisingly low, and an indication that they are doing a poor job of encouraging students to come forward.

I find [the numbers] laughingly low," says Lee Lakeman with the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women’s Shelter and a leading voice on the issue of violence against women.

It’s just not that possible that they're that low. I can get more reports of sexual assault by walking across the street on a campus [and asking students directly].

"As a parent or a prospective student I might want to say, ‘What are you doing about sexual assault? What are you doing about prevention? What is your policy?’" says Charlene Senn, a professor at the University of Windsor who studies violence against women on university campuses.

"[A higher number of reported assaults] may well be because they have more supportive services, so I would want to know that. But if there is an absence of those services, then likely that relatively higher rate is something to be concerned about."

So basically, if the numbers are low, this is BAD. But if the numbers are high, this is also BAD. Bad men, bad.

A recent student survey at the University of Ottawa shed some some light on the actual rates of sexual assault at a major Canadian university.

It shows as many as 44 percent of female students experienced some form of sexual violence or unwanted sexual touching while attending the university.

Yet the CBC News survey shows that over the course of five years, only 10 students reported an assault to the U of O.

In 2013, 183 assaults were reported, a 11.5 per cent rise over 2012 and a 69 per cent rise over the number of sexual assaults reported in 2009.

A total of 727 assaults were reported over the five-year period reviewed by CBC News.

Several universities declined to participate

Maybe because they have a clue that the CBC News method of collecting data would be considered intellectual fraud?

A total of six schools either declined or said they weren’t able to provide numbers when asked by CBC News. An additional six schools weren’t able to provide data going back the full five years.

Three of those schools could only provide data by academic year -- rather than calendar year -- meaning their data could not be included in this analysis.

Yes, let's not include any data that doesn't support our agenda.

Dalhousie University declined to provide any data at all. The school’s dentistry college was recently rocked by a scandal involving misogynistic comments on Facebook.

Facebook comments are now a form of rape.



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Title When sexual assault data doesn't back feminist claims, data must be wrong. Aka "Sex assault reports on Canadian campuses too low, say experts"
Author onehonesttruth
Upvotes 730
Date 09 February 2015 01:44 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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133 upvotesAusfall5 years ago

I've reported on this in the past in Ontario. The groups involved are heavily entrenched and run a business of sorts. Basically they rely on studies and reports to make their living doing security and policy consults, talks and presentations, and various other work with a variety of public and private sector organizations. Contractors make a killing installing security devices, and somebody without technical skills can make their money doing talks and conferences if they market themselves well (Anita Sarkeesian is a well-known example). When the data changes, they fall back on feminist theory, usually that the data is "wrong" because of a lack of reporting (i.e. women aren't reporting being assaulted) or that the methodology is wrong. Both of these feed back into the feminist ideology of the patriarchy, saying there is a bias against their pro-woman point of view. When that bias happens to be "Truth," well, let's not go there.

So the problem isn't just the ideology we all know and love to drone on about, it's also that these folks have a conflict of interest when it comes to this sort of thing. If you ask these folks what would happen if rape/assault or whatever else was completely eliminated, they won't answer. They'd be out of a job if that happened. They live in a world where they need this kind of shit but at the same time despise it. They're the arms dealer that hates war.

25 upvotesdicklord_airplane5 years ago

truly. people need to understand this about activism and especially about politics. The far right tried to fear-monger votes for themselves by playing up the non-existent 'war on christianity', and the far left tried to fear-monger votes by playing up the nonsensical gender gap and the non-existent 'rape epidemic'. i wish that people could think past their emotions and recognize the fallacious appeals.

17 upvotesAddictedtoiron5 years ago

This is a great response. It is clear that the motivation is not only ideological but financial gain and power. Too bad the troop of SJW can't see that they're puppets in the big picture. This is sickening, especially knowing that whoever opens up this publicly will face serious backslash.

35 upvotesrunnerrun25 years ago

I think lots of TRP people still have to swallow the red pill with regards to liberal movements. These SJW people ARE the puppets. This has been going on for decades. School of Frankfurt in the 30s, Reece's investigation in the 50s found all the wealthy organisations were funding colleges and NGOs to spread liberal values. All academia and media are largely liberal for this reason. Did you see what Obama gave a speech about at the Grammy's? John Kerry telling the US troops how happy he was that whitesd will soon be a minority? It comes from the highest echelons and they trickle it down.

That's why it is literally everywhere and why reddit is also going to fall prey to it. See the recent /r/metaredditcancer scandal. See gamergate. Just turn on cnn or bbc and you'll see the same crap. After ww2 they decided to fund leftist liberal crap just for the sake of them being illogically critical of everything. It's by design. And it worked really well for the rich to keep the population out of their hairs so it's self-enforcing.

7 upvotesCrimsonDeep5 years ago

I second this notion of wanting to find some sources. While I don't disagree with you and it logistically makes sense I would like to have some sources to reference in case I have to show my friends

8 upvotesRPReloaded5 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEx-qyZAmqs

BTW google can provide a plethora of valuable information. These links were all found within 5 minutes.

Before asking for a source, one might want to use a little of the TRP values, and STEP UP gentlemen!

15 upvotesjanyk5 years ago

Before asking for a source, one might want to use a little of the TRP values, and STEP UP gentlemen!

This is completely intellectually disingenuous. The onus to provide evidence has always been, and should always be, on the person making the claim. This is basic stuff. Telling people to go look for sources for your arguments is weak and makes you look like you've never seen the inside of a school.

Also, stop claiming that TRP is on your side when you make an argument. It's a weak appeal to some hivemind principles when you are in no position, nor have the authority, to determine what TRP beliefs are, and whom to exclude from TRP based on their actions.

4 upvotesOne_of_one5 years ago

The whole point of a SOURCE is where HE got his specific info, not general info

2 upvotesUnamusedPunk5 years ago

Did you see what Obama gave a speech about at the Grammy's? John Kerry telling the US troops how happy he was that whitesd will soon be a minority?

Do you have a source for John Kerry saying this?

3 upvotesDanReggins5 years ago

Upvote.

I wonder who could be pulling those puppet's strings, though.

rubs hands together

3 upvotesTom_The_Human5 years ago

Expand.

9 upvotesmadgreed5 years ago

Excellent comment. One thing that I think gets frequently lost or overlooked in many facets of life is to follow the dollar to get to the truth.

One of the best examples of the SJW for profit agenda is the blue light system that any Americans near a college campus would probably be familiar with.

To date at my alma mater I'm fairly certain these have saved a grand total of 0 students from violent crime. Yet the contractor who had to install these on my massive rural campus probably made insane money off of it. It was a massive amount of money spent on a horribly inefficient 'safety' system just to provide people with peace of mind.

You can't justify selling that peace of mind if you don't first sell a climate of fear.

It's in many peoples' economic best interest for parents and students to believe their children are at a constant risk of violence in order to justify the rising costs in tuition etc.

5 upvotescock_pussy_up5 years ago

The lying parasite industry.

192 upvotesLt_Muffintoes5 years ago

I can get more reports of sexual assault by walking across the street on a campus

Translation: I can twist anecdotal statements to support whatever position is politically convenient for me at the given moment

126 upvotesinsickness5 years ago

Translation: I can get women to make up stories about sexual assault by providing them with tons of validation and attention when they do it.

45 upvotesgreen495 years ago

Translation: rape statistics are part of a highly sophisticated political machine and must be shown to be at certain levels for policy appeal, whatever the cost to scientific integrity or truth

-4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Translation: rape statistics are part of a highly sophisticated political machine and must be shown to be at certain levels for policy appeal, whatever the cost to scientific integrity or truth

So using this for my facebook post.

1 upvotesredpillbanana5 years ago

I can get more reports of sexual assault by walking across the street on a campus

It depends on what the meaning of "sexual assault" is. Invitation to a coffeeshop? Eye rape?

Also, it depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

farting is rape https://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/

42 upvotesGRRMkills5 years ago

It shows as many as 44 percent of female students experienced some form of sexual violence or unwanted sexual touching while attending the university.

Yet the CBC News survey shows that over the course of five years, only 10 students reported an assault to the U of O.

In 2013, 183 assaults were reported, a 11.5 per cent rise over 2012 and a 69 per cent rise over the number of sexual assaults reported in 2009.

If only 10 students reported an assault over 5 years, how did 183 report an assault in 2013 alone? Or do they mean 183 reported an assault in an anonymous survey? Maybe the number is so high because they included "unwanted sexual touching."

Sexual assault needs to be taken more seriously, but not by the general population, by feminists. They're making it into a joke, and it shouldn't be. If someone gets forcibly raped that's horrible and a crime worthy of punishment. However, sexual assault can not be used as a blanket term to protect a woman every time she feels bad or threatened. Get your ass slapped in a club? It's a crowded club, everyone's drunk, and you're dressed provocatively, what did you expect? A guy grabbed your tits at a house party? Well you were just making out with him on the couch, why did you lead him on?

20 upvotesGrasshopper215 years ago

By including normal human interaction, the ass slap at the club as you so kindly put it, in the definition of sexual assault feminists are trivializing their own position. I've got popcorn ready in preparation of the anticipated backfire.

9 upvotestrpSenator5 years ago

violence or unwanted sexual touching while attending the university.

Exactly. Good job at combining those together. 95% of people have reported being victim of a home burglary or getting short changed at 7-11

What can we do to prevent home burglary? The data is showing this is an epidemic!

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Legally, an ass slap at the club is sexual assault. The problem isn't that they're trivializing sexual assault, which can, in fact, be relatively trivial.

The problem is by lumping sexual assault and rape together (as in that "1 in 5" statistic) they're trivializing rape.

0 upvotesGrasshopper215 years ago

An ass slap in the club is not sexual assault.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Legally it absolutely is. In theory you could be arrested on the spot.

2 upvotesGrasshopper215 years ago

A law which is not enforcedo is no law at all.

1 upvotesQQ_L2P5 years ago

"Legally" my arse, it's bullshit. An ass-slap is not sexual assault. Ever.

At best it's someone not understanding personal space.

9 upvotesreelsies5 years ago

unwanted sexual touching

lol'd. Next it'll be "suggestive staring" and "sexually charged voice inflections"

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

"Next"? It's already here. Where my niece goes to school "elevator eyes" is considered sexual harassment for which she can file a complaint. Which in turn could, in theory, get a classmate expelled. When I went to school you had to demand sex for a grade or continue pursuing her past what a normal person would consider reasonable before it rose to the level of official sanction. But women back then were made of sterner stuff. Today's college women are really not women at all but overgrown girls, wilting flowers prodigiously endowed with attitude but lacking anything approaching true strength of character.

143 upvotesRedrog15 years ago

It's possible that the data is wrong. The way you obtain the data can affect the results, think sample size and composition, but also how you ask, what you include...

The problem is feminists are claiming the data is wrong not because they genuinely have a problem with the methodology, but because it doesn't fit their preconceived ideas.

54 upvotesrichardnorth5 years ago

Feminists are notorious for building shit biased surveys that wouldn't pass an introductory research methods course. They also use cunty little definitions for things like rape = regret sex and sexual assault = being hit on by a guy that didn't give u tingles, etc etc. Surveys made by feminists are garbage and always have been. The wage gap myth is founded on one of these pathetic "surveys".

15 upvotesJohnny10toes5 years ago

Similarly some chick got into a debate with me and said something like "Well a slut the way I define it..." to which I refuted with the dictionary defines it...

28 upvotesCyralea5 years ago

This shit is so common in Toronto I sometimes forget it's not like this everywhere. People here rarely question Feminist propaganda.

9 upvotesubiety5 years ago

I feel really bad for men choosing to live in Canada under the irrational feminine gynocracy; simply being a man sounds worse than in the States - uglier, more entitled women controlling the conversation through the threat of radical feminism.

A bunch of well known MGTOWs live in Canada, no surprise to see this article referenced in TRP.

18 upvotesTattedGuyser5 years ago

All of Canada is not Toronto. Out west is extremely conservative, for example. Tons of farming communities. Even in the east where I live we don't tolerate feminist propaganda at all.

11 upvotesAlfredTheGreatest5 years ago

In the western provinces I swear 50% of the Tinder profiles contain pictures of the chick shooting guns or riding sleds/ATVs. Girls out here would either cheer you on for slapping them on the ass or punch you. Complaining to the campus rape centre would not be likely.

If these feminist leeches want to know why so few women report "unwanted sexual touching" or regret-sex to campus security or whoever I'll tell you: The guy they went home with either was that guy, or punched that guy. As for the regret-sex I'll bet they'd rather spend the day snowboarding than filling out a report on some dumb shit they did while drunk.

Feminists, please stay away from our young women. They're doing just fine on their own.

2 upvotesAtreiyu5 years ago

It's actually not that bad. Remember in this sub posts the most ridiculous offenses. Just like how SJWs aren't exactly every single non-male, Canada isn't full of this stuff.

Especially in Canada, people aren't that community-oriented as it is in the states (IMO); so it's mostly niches and pockets of people who have certain opinions and group up due to it.

I usually dislike that Canadians keep to themselves more than Americans do, but this also means bad opinions don't spread to everyody that quickly either.

People parrot a lot of stuff, but if you get to know most non SJW people, they don't really feel that way. [I live in the BC, lower mainland]

22 upvotesincakesforme5 years ago

"laughingly low"? I didn't know rape was funny.

9 upvotesRedBigMan5 years ago

It is funny when feminists equate a slap on the ass to rape otherwise you're right it's not funny.

4 upvotes__var5 years ago

York University's definition of sexual assault is so broad that it must be hard to find someone that doesn't qualify as a sexual assault victim.

21 upvotesZanford5 years ago

'Unwanted touching' could include 'that dweeby guy tried to hug me after doing my homework for me! Ugh!'

Or being anonymously groped once for 0.5 seconds at a jam packed frat party. Which is uncool, but not exactly traumatic.

Why can't they use both by-calendar-year and academic-year data!?!?! Either way the data would tell them the average number of cases per year. I don't believe for a second that they didn't make the decision to exclude those schools before they looked at their numbers (i.e. they saw those schools had lower #s).

4 upvotesrporion5 years ago

Because that would involve math and math is hard.

33 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I have an idea! Let's start a hashtag campaign! We'll call it #getrapenumbersup

There's no way that'll go bad...

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Oh Jesus that would be incredible. A total shitshow, but incredible

13 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Fact: 19 out of every 14 woman are cat-called on their way to class.

12 upvotesp3ndulum5 years ago

Segregation, please.

Women are a distraction in schools, and if they are so worried about rape, assault and sexual violence, they can start to build and attend their own schools.

I would suggest that men build and attend their own institutions, but that would be sexist, ya?

11 upvotesChamillitaryman5 years ago

I got to UoO and the rape culture here is ridiculously blown out of proportion, in no way do I support rape or an violence against women but the feminists here go waaaaay to far with it. feminism is no longer about equality they preach equal rights but last year we had a speaker come in last year and talk about mens rights (because lets face it guys really get the shit end of the stick when it comes to divorce or custody) and the room was filled with feminist yelling about misogyny and spewing other bullshit that in no way had to do with them. They came to the presentation to interrupt the whole time, it was pathetic.

11 upvotesSmekiz5 years ago

"Experts", i always loved that term, it's so wonderfully vague.

11 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

Christ.ine: The universities are sending a very clear and strong message. They do not care about female students.

Redcanuckabroad: @Christ.ine That's what I got from this too. Thankfully the CBC is around to care though and manufacture the care and outrage that the statistics won't.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

These damned women just can't freaking sleep at night unless they have undeserved control over something.

7 upvotesTransmigratory5 years ago

Feminists are fucking stupid I swear:

  • Data says X feminist claim isn't as bad as they say: "sexist", "most victims don't report", "check your privilege" <insert feminist rubbish here>

  • Data supports Y feminist claim. You say maybe more studies need to be done to establish a link, or comment on the methodology of the study: "sexist", "misogynist", "check your privilege" <insert feminist rubbish here>

You can't win. Especially since their numbers are just fashionable, most of their concepts/notions are qualitative i.e. subject to interpretation. You say that and suddenly: "sexist", "misogynist", "check your privilege" <insert feminist rubbish here>

And they wonder why they're not being taken as seriously.

5 upvotesreelsies5 years ago

Data and testing methods are consistently revised so that the former never happens, and the latter happens often.

Examples of the former: Wage gap, 1 in 4 women have been raped.

Examples of the latter: IQ tests being revised to raise average female scores, Standardized school tests (SATs) doing away with analytical-heavy questions, school tests having a complete absence of spatially-oriented questions.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

once there are no more battles to win everything will be too hetro normative and everything will need to be androgynized so no one can feel bad

19 upvotesreddumpling5 years ago

The hamstering is strong in this one. But seriously, this is really their nature and yet most sheeple turn a blind eye to this.

9 upvotesEuphoricWizard5 years ago

Welcome to modern feminism. Feminists are sincerely angry that a bunch of women arent getting brutally gang raped. We need to find out what the acceptable amount of rapes per year is since it can either be too high or to low.

2 upvotesPowerVitamin5 years ago

Hahaha. That's it man.

The rates have to be high enough for their cause.

It's the same thing when the cops come up short on their monthly traffic ticket quota. The police chiefs say that the people can't be getting better at driving... So it must be the cops slacking off!

7 upvotesFocusi5 years ago

I'm usually not one to care about the stupidity that is feminism in North America but this is just ridiculous

12 upvotesFlaye25 years ago

The data doesn't help them get victim Olympics gold medals so it must be wrong.

7 upvotesCryocasm5 years ago

Three of those schools could only provide data by academic year -- rather than calendar year -- meaning their data could not be included in this analysis.

Oh boy how hard is it for your victimized and TV overloaded stupid head to fucking translate data from one system to the next, chances are it's written in normal dates anyway.

What a fucking lame excuse to narrow down your dataset to make your "averages" higher. Fuck.

8 upvotesGlenbert5 years ago

When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail needing to be hammered. It's hard to accept that all the nails have been hammered intro place and all the rest of the problems require a wrench or a screwdriver.

MOAR HAMMERZ!

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I recently read a long statistical analysis about Benevolent Sexism and Hostile Sexism and their relationship and perceptions by genders. It was well defined, methodologies explained, etc.

In these results, I'd really like to see the same thoroughness. 'Unwanted touching' (44%) is really vague.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I'm more impressed by the comments

4 upvoteskommissar_chaR5 years ago

Some experts they are, lol.

3 upvotesabcbswd5 years ago

Like the MSG scare, this "sexual assault" nonsense is purely driven by greedy fucking media who needs to generate stories in order to sell advertising. Fear sells...

The sooner we get rid of useless media, the better.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

What gets me is the supposed concern of parents. Aren't these college students? Once someone is in college they are adults and parents shouldn't treat them like they are little children.

3 upvotesNakedAndBehindYou5 years ago

A recent student survey at the University of Ottawa shed some some light on the actual rates of sexual assault at a major Canadian university.

It shows as many as 44 percent of female students experienced some form of sexual violence or unwanted sexual touching while attending the university.

Translation: "OMG that creepy guy touched me on the shoulder and winked at me. I was totes raped last nite. That's the fifth time I've been raped this month."

Feminists want to make sure that men suffer for these terrible crimes.

3 upvotesreelsies5 years ago

More or less the same thing is happening with regards to the rape "fiasco" in India.

After a very violent, high-profile rape case a few years ago in India, the media has had an extra careful eye on stories of rape and domestic violence against women. Combined with the fact that the Indian media is relatively free and English-speaking (unlike a certain other populous country), and that the population makes up 20% of the world (as much as the US, Canada, Europe, Russia, and Japan combined), we should expect to see a large number of rape stories leaking out of India into Angloland.

However, according to the average redditor, this is inconsequential, and India simply has a uniquely bad rape problem. When the statistics are measured, and India has a lower rate of rape than most other third world countries, as well as most first world countries (of course, there's probably a problem of overeporting in the west), it's simply due to reporting bias. But even assuming comically low amounts of reporting of rape by Indian women, India doesn't even come close to being problematic by third world standards.

Of course, some first world countries may have reporting problems in the opposite direction, meaning that women overreport rape. Sweden for example, has one of the highest rates of rape in the world. I'm not sure whether this is because Swedish women uniquely overreport rape, or because the large influx of very low-prospect refugees from 4th world nations (mostly Islamic African nations) has caused an actual rape epidemic. Or maybe equal parts of both.

TLDR, Lots of rape stories in India because of a gargantuan population, and a western-style media focused on rape. Combine this with SJW feminism, a healthy dose of racism, and the data suddenly means nothing anymore.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 years ago

I feel terrible for sexually assaulting all those women. I should release

Surprisingly the only sexual assault I've ever witnessed first-person was a girl I know (feminist may I add, who makes frequent fb comments about 'rape culture' - and a fat one), pinning a friend of mine (girl) on the ground at a party while she was high on molly and making out with her.

3 upvotesBlueFreedom4205 years ago

The funny part is that if the experts say its low then its really low since the police state has expanded the definition of rape.

5 upvotesMeglomaniac5 years ago

What a piece of garbage.

When I read in the start of 4-5 of the paragraphs "Experts say..."

WHAT EXPERTS. TELL ME WHO THEY ARE.

You cant just claim that and then just leave it. Mother fuckers.

2 upvotesSQQQ5 years ago

well i live in Canada and i've been threatened with false rape accusations. i just gave in to her demands and get the fuck outta there.

its fucking ridiculous. because once u get accused ur totally fucked.

4 upvotesbloodshot_eyes5 years ago

And yet when "statistics" of false rape accusations are released, showing that it is vanishingly rare, those "statistics" are treated as holy scripture from the mouth of god himself.

3 upvotesNiketi5 years ago

The interesting thing about those statistics is the criteria they used to determine "false accusation." If you apply the same criteria to determine whether a report is legitimate, only 1-8% of reported rapes are true. Excellent breakdown here:

http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/

It may be a good idea to stop leaving research like this to ideologues who begin with their conclusions.

2 upvotesMorrigi_5 years ago

The comments in the article are surprisingly coherent.

1 upvotesJohnStamosEnoughSaid5 years ago

Cant win against these people, let them cackle like the court Jesters they are.

1 upvotesRXRob5 years ago

What could the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter possibly gain from the hundreds of unreported sexual assaults?

Everybody is out for themselves, even charities. Be careful who you support guys.

0 upvotesWeCantHaveFun5 years ago

libfags do it with economics too. If the latest socialist grand experiment doesn't bat more than 0 this time, the data's wrong, or the rich somehow fucked it up.

Fucking losers.





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