I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.

bsutansalt · 2019-10-20T16:05:43+00:00

Women are transactional with sex... it is men who are the 'romantics'.

This goes right back to women will never love a man the way a man loves a woman. Guys are the actual romantics as you accurately pointed out.

Another way of putting it...

Men love romantically, women love opportunisticlly.

ImBackBitch926 · 2019-10-20T14:27:37+00:00

After finding a escort site in my city for the first time. I realized women are whores even more. I knew one personally who I think is out to rob beta guys and I found 2 women I knew from fb who puts up a front on fb that they are good girls and want true love. Makes me sick.

whiffofass · 2019-10-20T11:44:03+00:00

Sounds fun. How come they charge less than prostitutes? Can you get into the actual sums?

Hungboy6969420 · 2019-10-20T12:52:41+00:00

Seeking has been the most inefficient market I've found. Did three months this year and banged probably 15-20, most for free/a few drinks. Some women are very aggressive and want money upfront and or just for a date. Next these girls. There are plenty of curious college girls who wanna dip their toes in the hoe waters, and this is where they go. Ive met numerous girls from prestigious universities, all saw the crazy money they could make. Tbh, most of the free ones were 6s maybe 7s. Above that , the very hot ones put up a stronger front, a reflection of my smv. The best part is most guys on there are gross and old, I'm young and attractive so I stand out. I'm talked to and met/ go on dates with significantly more women due to this site and I got Way better with women due to all the time practicing. It's basically a bootcamp for women that costs $90 a month plus some date money.

proactive-defense · 2019-10-20T11:55:43+00:00

Cool, this is quite a good anecdote for AWALT. If it were edited, you could post it on the red pill sub and red pill website.

No shame in using women as they want to be used. The aim is not necessarily to be “alpha”. The aim is whatever you want. Female nature is what it is. I think a good aim is freedom from the need for validation from solipsistic women. Pay for sex, bam, none of the other, more expensive, shit to deal with. Must be fun to induce their true nature to come out. And being a sugar daddy you’ve got a nice middle ground between pickup and prostitutes. A little bit of game is there for your own enjoyment. Happy for you bro.

furcryingoutloud · 2019-10-20T15:42:15+00:00

I've been using SA for several years. I will never go back to conventional fishing. Fishing has become boring, this is like going to the fish market on steroids. Though I like to have longer term arrangements, OP is spot on in his description. I've had arrangements that have lasted two years and find it impossible to complain.

It's gotten to where I ignore women on the streets now, lol. Why go through the hassle? When you do the math, it's pretty much a wash. I will tell you one thing, an LTR will cost you much, much more.

btrpb · 2019-10-20T14:47:05+00:00

I'm with you bro. Similar situation. Divorced, disposable income. Place is a gold mine for a middle aged man with a career. I've paid some, fucked some for free. Had a lot of fun. And yes, you still apply RP to them.

MattyAnon · 2019-10-20T14:47:38+00:00

Not a question
Damned good article.

OP - stick this on the main page

MusicSports · 2019-10-20T13:25:35+00:00

These are the posts that remind me why /u/mattyanon and /u/vasiliyzaitzev pretty much never online on the weekends.

Jesusfeminist · 2019-10-20T11:15:30+00:00

Lmao

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-10-21T00:33:15+00:00

Im 24, ive been using SA since I was 21. I make shit for money, like not even 20k a year lol. Still able to make it work by saying the right things.

I just wear nice clothes and tell them to meet at a hotel.

Ive also talkrd to a lot of girls from mexico. A lot better value there. 250 can get you a whole weekend if you play your cards right

Rkingpin · 2019-10-20T14:32:14+00:00

I'm not paying for pussy (directly)

IamBetter28 · 2019-10-20T18:53:26+00:00

That's end game level. At some point of smv there's just no point in dating women. Hookers 3x a week and a date every two weeks is optimal. That's why I love Germany, fine ass looking whores for the price of a few drinks.

prince0verit · 2019-10-20T13:57:28+00:00

The really fun part is when you use all the RP skills you've learned to totally flip the script on them. I've convinced several SA chicks that I am the real prize and that they should look at my mentorship and life lessons as their "payment." It's not too hard to do either. A lot of them put "my time is valuable" on their profiles. I explain to them that their time has zero value, but mine on the other hand IS valuable because I'm the one making the money and being successful. There will be some who laugh it off and you just cross those off your list, but some will be intrigued by your alpha status and attitude and will fall right into line, as we know they are prone to do.

Time_Animal_ · 2019-10-21T03:37:39+00:00

I've been thinking about writing a near future novel where all sex is regulated by seeking arrangement like contracts. Lots of implications. Men no longer exercise or purchase material wealth as they just pay for sex. Everyone is miserable past 50. Women all have plastic surgery. Most high quality women get picked up by 14 by the richest men. Verified 3rd party sites that have everyone's every statistic

UniqueAway · 2019-10-20T17:36:25+00:00

Two questions...

Do you ever miss the Turkish girl?

And I don't want to be the dealbreaker but what about std's? If those girls are down to have sex for money this fast then they are fucking others too, I don't see no difference between those girls and a prostitude, probably they are a bit more picky and yes, this lowers the chances of std's but you talk like you do all the crazy shit with them, do you use condoms?

PhaedrusHunt · 2019-10-20T16:45:12+00:00

Jeez reminds me of David Choe on JRE. He got to REALLY understand women once he had a zillion bucks

BaconLettuceTomatos · 2019-10-20T17:03:13+00:00

Thanks for the post! Im recently single, 29, with a child, good paying job, been told im handsom and good looking. Not really looking for anything seriouse, I like to spend most my time with my daugther and doing hobbies. Problem is im sure lazy, I wont shave for months, no haircut, wear whatever is comfey, ect. Maybe I need to start stepping my game up and trying this. My last partner never cared about money, never asked me for any, never asked how much I made. Im finding girls now asking me how much I make, Is my truck and house paid off... So I complely aggree with females being transacional.

PerplexingPegasus_ · 2019-10-20T17:42:44+00:00

Nice. Now I’m imagining I can have all of this without the child or divorce status. Not a knock to you OP, I’m just a young guy trying to learn from my elders.

Kabuki431 · 2019-10-20T18:47:43+00:00

I have checked that site a few years ago. Constant flow of 100s new 18 to 22 yo hottie everyday.

Once your sift through hookers mostly want free food and drinks.

Keep it up op.

okuli · 2019-10-20T18:26:02+00:00

As a guy who was with more than 100 prostitutes, it gets really old. Every time I would get emotional emptiness after leaving them.

At some point I decided it's not healthy for me and I decided to stop it, and I never paid for sex in last 15 years. I decided to have a normal family, have kids. Five years later discovered that my wife is a cheating slut. That marriage costed me about 500k and few years of fighting that gold digger and 15 more years of child support is ahead. Maybe I should have continued seeing prostitutes...

ImprovementisKey1234 · 2019-10-20T14:00:51+00:00

Can we get this cross-posted (or at least copied) to the main sub?

burnertaliburner · 2019-10-20T14:23:22+00:00

Good shit man. Nice to see my destiny laid out before me so I can both avoid mistakes and succeed earlier. Thanks. See u at the top.

CoupeFL · 2019-10-20T17:38:49+00:00

It’s great. Bang all the 18 year olds you want for the price of a dinner and drinks at a good steakhouse. They make it very non transactional and very fun

snehehsb · 2019-10-20T20:14:38+00:00

For all you idiots saying this is beta, the man is a father with primary custody. What should he do? Pay for a sitter, take some tinder slut to dinner or other date thing, then maybe get to bang her at the end? Or pay for a wet hole, use said wet hole and get what you need.

OP keep doing you. You clearly know what is best for you and your life.

ChadTheWaiter100 · 2019-10-20T15:28:02+00:00

This is sad actually. But a truth none the less.

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-10-21T12:09:42+00:00

Jesus Christ. What's with all the moralizing/concern trolling and other faggotry?

What I see, is so many dudes projecting THEIR shit onto the OP.

Truth of the matter is, the guy has found a sexual strategy that works for him for the moment. I read he's coming into a time where he doesn't want committed relationships. Sounds like he's over the bullshit of courting/gaming women, has a successful business to focus on, and at the moment is enjoying fucking 9's/10's for the cash he makes in a couple of hours.

Sure, you can argue he's not 'improving himself', he 'should be working at being Alpha enough' to get them for free. Really, that's you projecting yourself and where you're at onto him.

If you're smart, you'd take the RedPill lessons in terms of some women's nature, de-pedestalizing them, etc.

It's not the strategy I would use at the moment, but that's because I'm different circumstances. I wouldn't even suggest others do this.

But for this guy, fuck it. Smart thing is, if OP decides he wants to go back to pure game and such, he may have a strengthened IDGAF due to realising how easily he can tee up 8/9/10 quality pussy if needed.

Most of the guys here bitching probably haven't fucked a 8 or higher in their life, but want to preach to OP about what to do. Living in the 'become almighty Chad' fantasy.

In RedPill, we also discuss reality and real life. In OP's real life, this is serving a purpose. Have fun while it lasts, OP.

My only advice is remember they are the choosers. They're choosing you. If this strategy works, awesome, but remember at any point there choices may change. Women are confusing creatures at times.

Also, remember the bigger picture. You're putting cash in their pockets. You're also putting a ton of cash in the pocket of the dude who owns the site. This isn't true RP, but staying stuck in a system.

Pockyaf · 2019-10-20T20:04:47+00:00

I literally just hit 140 lays off SA in nyc. Haven't ever had to "spoil", pay allowance, or anything but drinks. Literally date and fuck so much that it becomes a chore. I can't even open the app without feeling sick now

I think it's pathetic to pay. The same girls you're paying to pretend to like you, is fucking other guys for free. Basically another form of cuckhold and admitting you're lower than these another guys

Kabuki431 · 2019-10-20T18:56:52+00:00

Just to add to op. 99.99% have a bf/husband something going on. Most want to keep it discreet.

Hedser91 · 2019-10-20T16:18:42+00:00

A whore will never be a house wife. That said if you're not looking for a house wife this seems almost like a good idea. I'm curious about that hottest woman you've ever fucked now..

bertso9 · 2019-10-20T19:48:41+00:00

OP, out of the seducing game,I want to ask you something related to your work.

I am a 23 just graduated from Canadian Institute of Technology with a Bachelors to Software Engineering diploma. I am very skilled in software programming and other fields.

How easy is for an european to move to Sydney/Australia and work as an engineer in there?

account_rp · 2019-10-20T20:14:24+00:00

What are the life threatening risks of marriage? We're all told that married men have better health and live longer. I'm suspicious of that claim but have never done the research to find out exactly how it is bullshit.

Also, how do you know that your ex wife was like these girls?

coconutismyreligion · 2019-10-21T03:41:41+00:00

Lmfao

maljo24 · 2019-10-20T12:56:28+00:00

Yes, but, will men also do pretty much anything for money? Yep.

apskidb · 2019-10-20T17:16:40+00:00

What’s half in dollars? ppm

SemiLoquacious · 2019-10-20T17:43:32+00:00

Asking for a coworker (though I'll never tell her)

Does a 6 have any reasonable chance of becoming a SB?

zedaoisok · 2019-10-20T18:10:38+00:00

Siyuen_Tea · 2019-10-20T19:36:02+00:00

I think you can do better. Try to take these girls on a "date". Your goal is to use them as social proof so you can go out and fuck bitches for free. Maybe ad some of those girls to your tinder pics.

LeEbinConchShell · 2019-10-21T01:17:46+00:00

based and absolutely apex redpilled.

whats the price range? for anyone in this thread that uses SA.

idgaf- · 2019-10-21T03:19:24+00:00

Last time I was in China, on my last day there, had a foursome for (probably) the price of one of your nights.

What a time to be a stocks/options gambler. Inflation in asset prices and deflation in pussy prices.

FlyingSexistPig · 2019-10-21T03:26:54+00:00

My one question is, "How much do you usually end up paying per 'arrangement'?"

And how is it structured? Cash after the evening? Cash before? dinner and the evening?

asking for a friend

doctorlw · 2019-10-21T10:52:19+00:00

It makes sense. Your chance of being in the top 1% of men on a site typically dominated by creepy/awkward men means you are a prized asset, it is no surprise that the most attractive girls would be interested but also offer seemingly discounted prices. It wouldn't shock me at all that the price for many of these women might simply be drinks and the tantalizing possibility of maybe locking you down.

This also gets you past the age filter, as girls are specifically targeting middle aged men on these sites. Many of the most attractive girls in their early 20's on bumble, tinder will filter over 30 out.

thanks for sharing

ConsumeDevourRepeat · 2019-10-23T07:36:21+00:00

Men shouldn't pay directly for pussy. Even if the argument is that all men pay for pussy, some male taking a woman out for a 30 dollar meal and a nightly sex romp vs a man paying some broad 250 - 700 for a few hours is just dumb by redpill standards. You should use that money to invest or buy yourself some new toys. Idk, invest in the men's right movement, political campaigns, shit, Toy's R Us, anything but that.

I know men who have women take care of them. Meaning they pay for THEIR lifestyle. I would think that would be the ultimate acknowledgement of someone's worth; the appreciation for someone else via physical means. Paying for pussy, especially in this fashion, just helps build upon the effect/affect of hypergamy that we oft lament.

The real test of the Red Pill would be to pull some of these broads without having to buy them. Become the highest value male and let that, according to your redpill ideology, be the standard. Your acquiescence to purchase pussy just signifies that you're not high quality enough to pull women of that physical calibre. By your own admission you find it difficult to pull 8's and above. Rather than engineer a way to pull them, you just paid for them. I could understand if you're using the money as a lure, a thing that the women will never get, but you're outright giving them money. It's just pathetic in my honest point of view.

If a woman doesn't want to fuck me, just off of my looks, masculinity, and status then it's okay. I'd rather fuck a chick who WANTS me than some broad I have to give money to to touch my genitals.

Also, plenty of us have had 1 night stands without having to pay for anything so this excuse of you pay for it anyway, is just a way to justify it. Paying for pussy, for me, is beta male shit. No broad can get my, quite literal, HUNDREDS of dollars unless she's paying me back with interest. Niggas out here paying for sex...lol.

That being said, do you, have fun, but this round-a-bout justification that supposedly should tie into the red pill for vindication is just rubbish. That whole story could have been shortened to;

''I'm not handsome enough to pull 8's, 9's, and 10's so I pay for them to have sex with me''

Some bluepiller is in the same boat as you right now, paying for pussy. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that this is some sort of revelational redpill elucidation from on high my guy.

BlackStallion32 · 2019-10-25T02:41:09+00:00

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if SA allows you to filter out sugar babies by join date? In other words, can you filter SB's that have been around for a while, or for SB's that just started recently?

Obviously age is generally a good indicator if for example it's an 18yo vs a 28yo, but that isn't always the case. I'm asking because (and this is just an educated guess, mind you) newbies are probably more impressionable in terms of pricing than "veterans". Just looking to get a good value out of it, that's all.

-MILFMilk- · 2019-10-29T11:42:49+00:00

Well if she’s fucking them for free it must mean she’s doing it because she enjoys it and so I doubt she’d be averse to any other intentions they may have. The guys she wants to leave and be on their way she makes pay to make sure that happens. Guys like you.

Artisuko · 2019-10-30T11:08:01+00:00

I'll take some of your fun money! I'm not a prossy looking for sex, im actually a man, who likes free things :D

-MILFMilk- · 2019-11-01T06:46:58+00:00

Cool focus on the meaningless semantics in a comment and not the content. She leaves you leaves that’s not the point. The point is she wants to get away from you as much if not more than you want to get away from her. Don’t be confused about that fact.

-MILFMilk- · 2019-11-01T17:10:05+00:00

I didn’t say you care whether or not she likes you (but I bet deep down you kind of do). I’m saying that it’s just as much a transaction for her as it is for you, probably more. You’re disposable. Which is why all this degrading talk coming from you about individuals who are essentially your business partner is strange. It’s pretty emotional and clearly shows that you, unlike these girls, have emotions tied to this dynamic. They are negative emotions, but it clearly gets under your skin. I want my cleaning lady to leave when she’s done, too. But I don’t get all passionate over it like, “yea my cleaning lady she’s like an 8, ,9, 10 she cleans up every last Crum in my place then I pay her so she’ll get the fuck out and be on her way!” I mean that attitude you have about these girls your fucking sure takes a lot of energy and emotion. In the end let’s just agree that you BOTH want to part ways once you cum. But keep in mind that one of you is paying for that and the other one is GETTING PAID.

-MILFMilk- · 2019-11-02T09:29:07+00:00

My point is you sound like a disrespectful arrogant prick when you talk about the females you clearly don’t value yet don’t seem to have a problem sticking your dick in. You incorrectly think this dynamic is swayed in your favor and you are deluding yourself if you think you’re the one in control. Arrogance is hot when it’s warranted. When it’s a defense mechanism employed by insecure little boys, it’s pathetic. And everyone who reads your distasteful Neanderthal comments is laughing at you. Is that point clear enough for you?

-MILFMilk- · 2019-11-02T23:40:05+00:00

I accept the term and the fact that everyone is a whore and I don’t view it as a negative thing. The words you choose and your description of WHORES and the dynamic of them being financially compensated for fucking tricks like you has a negative and disrespectful tone. That’s why. Your responses are one-sided, textbook typical, basic bitch, and status quo boring. So what’s your PayPal I’d love to give you a little $omething so you’ll go away now, doll ...

Testinat0r · 2019-10-20T11:16:22+00:00

You are paying for sex. B E T A bucks.

In my handbook you are nowhere near redpill, how alpha you may feel after this touching story.

Get your game together, get out irl and don't rely on apps but on your social circle and extended night/day game.

The take away is that women are whores. Gosh, tell me something that isn't in the sidebar.

macheagle · 2019-10-20T13:15:01+00:00

Excellent report... Thank you sir and enjoy!

Mazohist · 2019-10-20T19:09:30+00:00

What the fuck did I just read

Cash3603 · 2019-10-20T21:30:31+00:00

Keep it up OP. If I had as much money as you then I'd be gladly doing what you've been doing.

scorpionkinggg · 2019-10-20T21:59:37+00:00

I’m from Sydney, this rings true.

When I first discovered back page the creepiest part was when I ended up knowing some of the girls on there escorting themselves out.

I’ll definitely check this SA thing out.

Andgelyo · 2019-10-21T00:25:02+00:00

You need to post this on the original red pill sub. This is a rare, Golden-red thread, that I would like the others to see and learn from.

mustache_ride_ · 2019-10-20T14:04:02+00:00

I started browsing "Seeking Arrangements"

On tinder or another app?

Also, I tried working out 5 days a week but was exhausted. How do you keep the energy?

ushirtrun · 2019-10-20T22:23:58+00:00

Ok so you fuck prostitutes, congrats?

[deleted] · 2019-10-20T16:30:51+00:00

Blue pill example

[deleted] · 2019-10-20T18:28:37+00:00

OP, I want to argue that paying for it is beta, but I know that because I can't afford to, there's a level of ego protection on my part.

I'm 47 and divorced, flying solo 3 years now. My money goes to debt service and retirement. I live simply, but with a lot of style.

Plus, I don't go to the gym. Don't need to, have a barbell & pull up bar at home. I get a lot of eccentric energy in my reps because I can't bang things around too much, but it's fine.

And my last girlfriend kind of ruined me. She was 20 years younger than me and way out of my league. A hike with her yesterday turned into drinking beer at a beer garden, and holy smokes, this girl is hot. The oneitis will never go away, but in the last 3 years she literally rode the CC (n count went from 1 to about 20) and is now looking to cash in and find a husband while she's on the right side of 30.

With all that said, your post intrigues me. I desperately need to find new ass to tap, but I love younger women (don't we all?) I have 0 chance of competing money wise on SA, but in terms of attractiveness? Oh, hell yeah, bring it. Everything they say about lifting is true. My unicorn expressed displeasure that I got built after we broke up.

So, based on your post, let's size things up a bit. Women on SA are open to being with older men. Yes, for money, but I guarantee you some women would never do it, at least not at current market rates. The dimes and nines, and eights, are well out of my reach, but average girls, like you said dipping their toes in? A possibility.

Also, the most I ever spent on dinner was $150, and it was a disappointment. Like I said, I live in style, and am a Chef John devotee. I have an awesome kitchen. I have Smithsonian & PBS rather than Netflix. Plus I'm developing into a competent lead dancer, which complements lifting and running quite well.

This could all possibly be packaged correctly to get at least average younger women. As Patrice O'Neil said, "You ain't got a better vintage than '72? ? A '98? What is it, water? Alright, I'll take it!"

I think it's called Salt Daddy Game, using SA but not paying for anything more than drinks.

You almost have me talked into trying it!

liquorbaron · 2019-10-20T23:17:48+00:00

This seems more of MGTOW than asktrp.

coconutismyreligion · 2019-10-21T03:45:04+00:00

Hilarious. Didnt you say you can only pull 5's at most 6's but all of a sudden its 9's for some cash payment. But you still attribute it to them wanting you for looks. No one fucks for free. We dont care about your looks. Just take out the cash. Sex is a tool and men succumb to it lol. This newer generation just realized it, that's the only diff

professor_goat · 2019-10-22T12:30:14+00:00

I'm doing a 5 day weights training regime atm, so my balls are constantly needing to be drained...

lol! Straight up, this is one sad post. I was feeling bad for your kid until I got to this gem.

matcha_cheesecake · 2019-10-23T07:18:29+00:00

So we are promoting prostitution and whores on TRP now? Wtf

Paying some dumb thot who couldn't give a shit about you for sex is the most beta and pathetic thing I can think of

lovesprite · 2019-10-20T15:26:16+00:00

Nice humblebrag bro. Why you need to be a sugardaddy if you are so good looking? Good looking people dont need to buy pussy.

Title	I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.
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Date	October 20, 2019 11:06 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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