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[–][deleted] 69 points70 points71 points 9 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link
I don't know how much I agree with this. In fact I'd claim the opposite. I think we are born Alpha. Watch a young boy. He has purpose. He does things in a self confident manner because his brain hasn't been indoctrinated by all the bullshit beta ideas of our culture. That's what I believe anyway. I suppose you could argue it either way.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This makes sense; look at kids on a playground where the boys are teasing the girls and not giving a fuck about it. But then the culture of being a nice gentleman and treating them like princesses removes the alphaness
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
agreed. i remember those times before my mother got rid of my father and started filling my head with pink pill. she makes me sick
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very often you end up replacing your father as the "new Beta" for mom.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
" being a nice gentleman and treating them like princesses removes the alphaness "
That sounds more like feminism to me - which is there's no difference between men and women, which is fine. But don't confuse it with being an alpha while you can't see what the difference between acting like a child and acting like a man.
A gentleman with a firm ground who treats women with kindness but within his frame, does not put up with her crap is an alpha.
One who runs over women , arguing with women like a bitch while clinging on the novelty idea that he's an alpha- is indeed a beta. Shitting on women is NOT a alpha behavior.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nice gentleman - beta
stand up gentleman - not beta
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Alpha men love women, but they demand Charm in return.
[–]Keninishna 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is true, your status doesn't matter when you were born or die. There were kings as old as 8 months old. Thats an alpha baby, if he could talk he could have people killed and have his own harem.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Alpha is an objective thing.
A baby cannot in fact have power.
Subjectively one might say the "precursors" for a future king are there but when we talk of the real objective world Alpha is only real when it actually happens.
Otherwise it's a dream about Alpha... a "Fantasy".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy
"The identifying traits of fantasy are the inclusion of fantastic elements in a self-coherent (internally consistent) setting, where inspiration from mythology and folklore remains a consistent theme.[2] Within such a structure, any location of the fantastical element is possible: it may be hidden in, or leak into the apparently real world setting, it may draw the characters into a world with such elements, or it may occur entirely in a fantasy world setting, where such elements are part of the world.[3] Essentially, fantasy follows rules of its own making, allowing magic and other fantastic devices to be used and still be internally cohesive.[4]"
[–]Keninishna 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
if alpha is an objective thing, can it be objectively measured? If an alpha is a guy who gets laid by high SMV women everyday, then this would exclude children, the old and dead etc...
For males Alpha is pretty much your high SMV.
For women her SMV gives her access, but not commitment. In order to get commitment she needs a high RMV. ("Relationship Market Value") Most guys will have sex with most women, but they will only take a small number seriously as LTR material. Women have Hypergamy so they won't have sex if they don't hold you as valuable. (20%/80%)
A man's Alpha "ranking" is something very objective. It's also reinforced through pre-selection so it's really very plain who is who on the male side.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nature vs Nurture: we are born Men by nature, we are often nurtured into manginas Betas.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. We naturally want to develop as "Men Going Our Own Way" and to seek Power and become Alpha. Feminism sabotages our ability to even think correctly by making us think men and women are the same. Our inability to think cripples our ability to grow up to our rightful place.
[–]1RBuddDwyer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all about testosterone.
[–]triceratraps 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont know if I agree with this. I think you are born, mewling, weak and dependant. There is a reason so many cultures around the world have tough rituals for boys becoming men. From week long vision quests, to ritual warfare, to bullet ant gloves, you werent a man untill you proved you could suffer mentally and physically and come out unscathed. This in my opinion speaks to a general subconcious trend that you arent a man just by being born, you become one through hardship. Are some people born with an innate advantage over others. Most definately. But I think being considered "alpha" by society or by yourself is a birth right that is taken away. I think its something you earn.
[–]fordmarkII 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been wanting to fuck women since I was 5, never wanted a puppy.
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I think we are born Alpha.
all adoption studies show that adopted children resemble their biological parents in terms of personality and intelligence more than their adopted parents who raised them.
genetics have a large effect on every single personality trait and cognitive function.
just like some win the genetic lottery for physical attractiveness, some win the genetic lottery for mental attractiveness.
there are children who at the moment of conception are already 'beta'.
i'd bet that for each person that find success in this sub, there are many more who fail, and the ones who succeed were on the cusp of alpha: they have alpha traits but hadn't put it all together into a winning combination yet.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (24 children) | Copy Link
Not in the first years.
When you are a baby you are 100% Beta.
Typically by about 12 years old you are no longer seeking approval from your mother and decide your father (assuming you have one) is the role model you seek to pursue and you switch sides. MGTOW / Alpha typically begins when you make that leap.
Betas are trapped in the stage before about the age of 12.
A baby can never be Alpha because Alpha means power and babies have no power.
Plus... we tend to forget who we were as children and rewrite our own history about ourselves. To be really honest you need to look at how children behave and remember honestly how you once thought. As children we tend to look up to our mothers as a source of security. It's only as we get older (12) that we begin to separate from our mothers and gain confidence.
The Feminist culture tries to sabotage this separation and keep boys from breaking free.
They use Marxist lies to flip the script upside down and make being a boy seem honorable. They lie and say you must "Man Up" by obeying the role of obedient male towards women which is the opposite of growing up.
Growing up means you are master over women as well as yourself.
I'm 53 years old and have seen children within my own extended family grow up and you see this type of process going on. Males have a hard time growing up these days and so they stay as Beta's much longer than ever before. There have been successes and failures within my family.
Self improvement is a real thing, so growing up does happen.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
our instincts are alpha as we get older and testosterone kicks in. Instead we are kept in a younger dependent state. I don't think Karl Marx ever discussed the red pill. so don't think dennis are saying is particularly Marxist. It's more trying to see more and more oppression because you've eliminated the old school repression long ago.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
I like the testosterone reference.
Yes, I think the emergence of Alpha "precursors" come about because of testosterone. Typically it's the beginning of puberty that you see boys make the switch in thinking to being men. Real Alpha means real Power, so just having the urges really only makes you MGTOW, but with success you achieve real Alpha. (Alpha is not just a "high")
These days once you demonstrate masculine behavior they say you have Attention Deficit Disorder and try to drown it with medications.
Marxism is simply about class struggles... rich vs poor, race vs race, male vs female... it's a tool for political purposes. Lies are central to making these divisions WORSE and so that's where it comes from.
Russia and China have "been there, done that" and we will follow them after the Misandry Bubble pops, but for now the act of growing up is something that is "forbidden" by the Feminists.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Marxism is an economic theory. Your everyday feminist knows nothing about it.
Alpha behaviors are the default setting, not the other way around.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
"Cultural Marxism" is the same as Feminism.
"Alpha (Thoughts) Behaviors" is more of what we call MGTOW. "Alpha Results" is what we call a "True Alpha". It's bizarre to say anyone will rise to the level of "True Alpha" without effort. (Red Pill means self improvement)
You can dream yourself as an Alpha and sit in your parents basement... if you know what I mean. (joke intended)
No one is "granted" Alpha status without effort. (it's a question of objective vs subjective reality... Alpha is an objective label)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
There is no cultural Marxism. Its the opposite of the stuff Marx said. Call me pedantic, but getting our shit right helps. Call it SJW, whatever, but please don't throw "marxist" or "nazi" out (the other thing people call things they don't like) when you mean left-wing. Just makes us look dumb.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Okay I see what you are saying. Social Justice Warrior (SJW) is the more Red Pill term. We all pretty much understand what Cultural Marxism "means" because it's commonly used, but it's possible there is a stigma about using it now?
I mean why not use it? What is the basis for exclusion?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
because it has nothing to do with Marxism. It literally does not involve the theory of Karl Marx at all. So why would we use a stupid word that doesn't describe what we are talking about. There's this tendency on the Internet usually Godwin about everything we don't like. We call it nazi we call it fascist we call it Marxist. but it has nothing to do with any of those things they're just words that people don't like and that are bad.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Disagree, it does stem from Marxism, and pretty explicitly. Both Kate Millet and Germaine Greer quoted Marx and Engels. 'patriarchy' came from Friedrich Engel's 'Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State'. Greer took Marxist historical class struggle, and changed the oppressed class to be women, rather than the proletariat, and the oppressor class to men, rather than the bourgeoisie, but the idea remained the same. They also took from Marxism the idea that behaviour is entirely culturally determined, so that you could build an ideal society by changing the influences on children (particularly), something that communism has always done.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Marxism failed. It failed twice, in Russia and China.
The political left wanted Marxism, but realized that if you actually did it the way Marx imagined it leads to collapse. So they were discouraged. Back in 1980 you had a hard time finding dedicated Marxists.
But then the new wave of Marxist derived thought emerged from people like Saul Alinsky:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky
...and he mutated the concepts so as to produce our Feminism and Civil Rights agendas.
Feminism (we believe here on Red Pill) is doomed to collapse in the Misandry Bubble and follow other systems into oblivion.
So I'm wondering exactly "where" you are having the problem. You have read the Misandry Bubble right? That is sort of the "official prophecy" of Red Pill.
[–]Plain_Tostitos 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I like your overall message that the path to manhood is not as we'll defined as it had been for previous generations, but I think it is important to recognize that there is a wide spectrum of male personality. At risk of sounding like a pangender or whatever they call it, when you watch children you begin to recognize patterns similar to alpha and beta, but also omegas and other places on that spectrum. For me, TRP is about recognizing which one you naturally fall under (for me omega) and learning the necessary skills and frame to present and carry yourself as an alpha.
Wow, to acknowledge Omega as your starting point is rough. If you are young you have plenty of time to improve. Make it your goal to not die Omega.
[–]Plain_Tostitos 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please do not confuse me as OP, I found the pill a little over a year ago and fully swallowed the beast going on about 6 months ago. Growing up with older brothers I have always been comfortable with the idea and execution of Alpha traits, but as a kid it was always more efficient for myself to hold the role of Omega, asserting dominance when action needed to be taken and sitting back to lessen group tension. Now on my own, I have been consciously working on avoiding my Omega traits and actively filling the Alpha role in all my social groups.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't make sense speaking of children as beta. No boy can be a man before puberty. All boys, all, each boy ever born in the history of the world each man and boy alive today were born to be alpha. Puberty is when it starts to manifest naturally and only if the boys have their mind, spirit and sexuality beaten down will they go through puberty arriving as betas after.
No man has ever been born beta. It is all the environment.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
We are born Beta with the "potential" of becoming Alpha, but our feminizing culture is preventing boys from growing up.
I agree that boys "should" become Alpha or at least MGTOW in life.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A kid is his potential. Or are you expecting amused mastery from a 5 year old?
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We have to overcome our programming now just to grow up to who we were supposed to be. My point is that Feminism inhibits the process of growing up and that's how fully grown adult males (Beta) think like children.
Haven't we all noticed how infantile the Beta males are?
It's by design, not an accident.
Yes, we're on the same page. What I mean is genetically all men are alpha. Beta genes could never survive evolution, so the conclusion is that beta behavior is entirely made by the environment. It is the mindset of a child who couldn't grow to a man.
Reprogramming is the most beautiful gift we have been given. Unlike animals we can be the masters of our own minds.
Exactly.
Boys should be growing up, but Feminism is throwing a monkey wrench in the process and they end up adults with a boys brain. (Beta)
Red Pill makes boys into men. (a good thing)
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Beta's can become MGTOW's. MGTOW's can blossom into Alpha's.
Wut? I don't think you know what a MGTOW means.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Men Going There Own Way.
It means you are no longer Beta and seeking approval.
In the beginning you are just a "monk" (Monk Mode) but that stoic core can expand so that you have control over others. It's the expansion of control that ultimately produces the "actual Alpha".
[–]magus678 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't understand it then
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Some think MGTOW is for life and they are incorrect. (that's not Red Pill to think there is no self improvement)
[–]magus678 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a fallacy to assume there is a progression. Some may move to MGTOW, to alpha, and back again over their life.
It is not "better" to be alpha, unless that person decides that is what they want. Couching it as a lesser choice is incorrect.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One chooses how much power they can manage.
MGTOW is the "simple life"... just take care of yourself.
Alpha is when you control the world as it's master. Your degree of Alpha is only limited by the degree of power you seek. Alpha is power hungry.
[–]magus678 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The circle jerk about alpha/beta labels is starting to detract from the conversation I think
[–]pauly_pantsx 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, WTF is this shit about babies being beta?
There was a post a while back about a guy hooked on some medication which he claimed made him "feel Alpha". I had to explain to him that Alpha isn't some "high" to chase after, but that it's a real thing. Interpreting Alpha as a feeling is more common than you might think here. Beta is a powerless person and babies are powerless.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No it's important.
Alpha is often used as a kind of subjective "feeling".
"I'm feeling so Alpha today." (kind of a narcissistic self love)
But it's really supposed to be something "real" in the objective world.
Real Alpha requires real effort and that's rare.
[–]magus678 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The jargon to substance ratio is not good
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree that we are born Beta. We are hard wired with masculine traits and personalities. Betas are bred, specifically by a culture committed to emasculating boys and marginalizing masculine men.
[–]HardBounce2 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Building on OP's post, I've always thought about the notion that we all start as female. then in the womb we change into males because of a initial testosterone wave exposure. if you receive enough testosterone your primed to be more manly later in life. Once you hit puberty you get your second major testosterone wave. depending on the amount you got in the womb the better you react at the second wave. becoming more alpha.
After this point testosterone exposure though out your life, manly things like sports, lifting, fighting, competition, risk. will further build your masculinity.
Bingo. Yes, in fact the testosterone acts on the same tissues women would get and changes it into the male.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite
"Upon fertilization of the two ova by two sperm cells (one carrying an X and the other carrying a Y chromosome), the two fertilized ova are then fused together resulting in a person having dual genitalial, gonadal (ovotestes) and genetic sex."
The tissue attempts to act out both code instructions in a Hermaphrodite.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Regardless of whether we are born "alpha" or "beta," there is no doubt in my mind that men have to be made.
[–]TheDukeofHavoc1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
I've always taken pride in intellect, status, and strength. It's carried me far in life, and I've known plenty others who exemplify this as well. With that being said, the vast majority of people are mediocre by birth. It works, since you have to have the lower classes doing the menial things in life. There's no point changing it.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But history shows that stable systems cannot endure when the majority of people are programmed for confusion. The West is failing. Birthrates are in decline and other cultures are now intruding on our soil. Russia and China went through similiar "experiments" and abandoned their ideologies in order to make systems that had a chance of success.
It's a mistake (I believe) to see ourselves in a "steady state" situation.
Things are not going to "be okay" with the trajectory we are presently on and Red Pill is here as a way to wake us up to this reality. Save yourself first, but if enough people can wake up (grow up) the Misandry Bubble pops and the West begins to have some hope of surviving in some way.
Or it's possible the West will just disappear completely.
[–]TheDukeofHavoc1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
The circumstances of today are such that the lessons of history cannot adequately cover all contingencies, particularly in the west. Most instabilities in societal history were spurred through a combination of poverty, systematic oppression, tribalism, or some other widespread deficiency. Barring some catastrophic event, I do not see an "inflection point" happening anytime soon.
Think about it. Most people are content to feed their families, fuck, eat, and divert themselves through some form of media-related entertainment (TV, movies, games, books, sports, etc). As long as they are not deprived of these things they will stay content. How do you envision a massive overturning without the presence of some unpredictable cataclysmic event?
As for the intrusion of cultures, I have to say that you underestimate the power of the naturalizing effect of the American dream. I come from a family of immigrants, and I've climbed the ladder through my dedication. You will sometimes hear of the insular, backasswards remnants of outside cultures in our society, but sooner or later they will assimilate.
Those who have the will to fight and who refuse to kowtow to the dominant narrative of mediocrity will inevitably find their way, and the permanence of their presence will assure us that we all will survive.
Europe is slightly ahead of us in the decaying process. Plus they have Muslims rather than Hispanics so there is a degree of danger much higher there than in America. The decline is happening. The Misandry Bubble might not pop for decades, but it will eventually. We live as Red Pill aware and that's all that matters. Live as a man... adapt... it's all we can do.
[–]Slothlemur -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
good post, OP, inspirational stuff
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