Summary: If you are a person who reads and/or participates in blackpill/incel communities I would advise you to stop because, from experience it will have a serious impact on your self image and social skills and will more likely than not severely hinder your path to self actualisation. Rather, trust the process of TRP and work on improving yourself in ALL aspects beyond the physical.
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Today friends, I am going to tell you the story of how I wasted some of the best years of my life and missed great opportunities to build fun and exciting relationships with great people.
I remember being 15 years old blue as they come, I was innocently browsing 9gag one day (I know I know) when on some random post I came across a funny looking word, “manlet”. I had never seen or heard of this word before so naturally I decided to google it, the day I hit that search button was the day I ruined my mental health forever.
I don’t know about you guys, but being an insecure, inexperienced 5’6 (at the time)15 year old and then being bombarded with a shit ton of 4chan memes, bodybuilding.com threads and incel subs all in hit a bit too close to home for me. I took a nosedive into that rabbit hole, reading this stuff was butchering my already fragile self esteem, but I was HOOKED, it was fascinating, learning all these things about how looks and height affect your life. During my descent into the madness of the manosphere I actually came across this very subreddit, but I couldn’t comprehend anything and was too impatient to learn all the acronyms, read the sidebar and all that good stuff.
The incel stuff on the other hand was incredibly easy to understand: “If you’re not a natural born Chad, you are either doomed to a life of inceldom or being a beta provider, nothing inbetween, this is set in stone from birth, deal with it”. This of course led me to feeling like shit about my place in the world, I wasn’t a Chad, not even close, why bother doing anything, my fate was set.
The more blackpills I consumed, the more I became withdrawn, didn’t bother to make any good effort to socialise with friends, my social skills stagnated, I became more anxious and started hating myself, but I just couldn’t stop visiting these online communities.
Come summer 2017, I just turned 16 and went to some local festival in my city with friends and friends of friends, met some cute mixed race girl who was quite similar to myself, she took a liking to me, even gave me my first kiss, me, being blackpilled as fuck couldn’t understand this one bit, I made a bunch of rationalisations in my head
“I-It was just her being nice, she doesn’t really like you, you’re an ugly subhuman manlet, how could any girl possibly like YOU?”
These were the thoughts that went through my head, looking back she was absolutely into me, always initiating conversations, I of course didn’t escalate and naturally she lost interest. I could have had my first bluepilled teenage relationship and lost my virginity and blah blah, I could have gained some experience and confidence like any normal kid would, but nope, my mind belonged to the blackpill now.
I started sixth form autumn 2017 (for Americans, this is the final two years of high school here in the UK). On Christmas break I went to a gig of a band with my friends and a group of girls, one of which my then best friend was orbiting at the time. I met a hot redhead who appeared to show me interest, my friends seemed to think so aswell, this however was not the case and I had my first experience of being an orbiter. My self esteem hit an all time low.
Early 2018, I found the red pill again, actually read it this time, it was tricky to understand but one thing stuck with me, and that was to lift like a motherfucker, so I did, people started noticing.
I got cold approached when working one night shift by some girl who somehow remembered me from primary school and her friend, both like HB5/6’s. We exchanged social medias and I hung out with them one night, the one who approached me invited us both back to her house, we had drinks played truth or dare and I made out with both of them, two girls on the same night, slept in bed with the girl, (her friend ended up leaving), we were making out all night but I didn’t escalate, I was scared tbh, how anyone could leave such a situation still a virgin is beyond me. I never heard from either of them after that night blamed it on my looks, of course, I was an unfuckable subhuman incel after all.
Throughout 2018 I was reading both incel subs aswell as trp, two opposing ideologies telling me two different things, the incels were still winning me over, I carried on anyway, getting more makeouts at parties, fooling around, fingering, handjobs, but still no sex, or relationships, I started believing the blackpill more and more,”if I was chad, i’d be having sex all the time”, the possibility of my poor social skills being the issue didn’t occur to me at all. I became more jaded and bitter. Time went on, 2019 comes, I’m borderline obsessed with my physical appearance, unable to accept any imperfections, believing my face and height were the be all and end all of my social life, fragile ego, unable to accept myself and improve in other areas and forge good friendships, unable to live a little and be a normal fucking teenager.
By now I have failed high school, luckily they’re letting me retake my final year due to mental health issues. I’ve lost contact with all but two of my friends, drifted apart from most of them. I only recently lost my virginity at 18 to a chick I didn’t even find attractive, slightly overweight, but it was easy, I was tired of being a virgin and needed some intimacy.
Upon reflection though, I realised that I am probably not even unattractive anyway. I had many friends who were shorter than me, not as goodlooking, in worse shape, who were able to get sex and relationships just fine because they developed social skills and decent banter/game. I realised that I spent so much time fixating on what I could not change, wanting perfection and being unsatisfied when I couldn’t find it, I didn’t bother to work on my social skills, being funny, cultivating and attractive personality, hobbies, a strong frame, because of this i’m at the lowest point i’ve ever been in at my life. I’ve actually had a fuck ton of missed opportunities which were only missed due to me disqualifying myself from the get go.
I’ve grown to around 5’9/10, which is perfectly average and acceptable amongst my age range in my area, i’m not a 1/10 unfuckable incel, and I have lifted my way to a decent physique I got attention from several attractive girls my age, but I was completely delusional I wanted them to do all the work, “they would for Chad”, well sorry to disappoint, but most of us will never be Chad, if you are, good for you, bloody lucky fucker.
The point i’m making is, do not allow yourself to be destroyed by the blackpill like I did, I could have a much happier, more fulfilling social life, with great fun people and hot girls, had I not bought into that bullshit. I tell no lies, as i’m typing this post up I’m getting rather emotional thinking about what could have been, what could have went differently. I really fucking wish I could go back in time and tell myself from 3 years ago not to worry and focus on the right things.
Then again, had I never found the blackpill I would never have found TRP community, so, who knows. What I do know is that I’ve got work to do.
Instead of think what you could have made of your teens, imagine what you could make of your 20's, 30's, 40's, and 50's.
Most guys don't have glamorous teen years.
I think most of us see the few that have a really fucking good time in their teens and assume that is the norm. I always felt like media was telling me my teen years were supposed to be super awesome too, but honestly your teens are naturally difficult due to all the changes you have to go through. I think your message is great because your 20s and 30s are way better than your teens if you have even a remotely decent idea of what you’re doing.
I just started enjoying myself around 32. I'm 38 now and can't believe how lost I used to be. In everything.
There is always time to unfuck your life.
Nice post. I'm 34 and just hitting my stride. Never too late.
Yes, no excuses! That’s the shit I wanna hear!
Even a mans 20's are difficult. Think about the struggle for financial independence and prosperity especially in today's debt based economy.
It is hard, no doubt about it. The good thing is that you can see yourself moving in a good direction much more than you could as a teen, in part because you have more control and in part because your brain is actually developed and you can think ahead. I won’t deny that there are plenty of opportunities to fuck up though
yeah for sure. I'm 24 and just hitting a point where I can live independently, have a car and strive for better in life. The crazy thing is, I feel like I'm late in getting this far, but in reality I'm in a minority. Lots of infantilized 20 somethings even 30 year olds where I live.
Can totally relate. I too am 24 and became red pill aware about a year ago. Things are so much more clear now. I also feel like I'm late to the party, but that's just what advertising and pop culture has made you believe. Where before I thought a man peaked in his mid 20s now I realize that the 30s and 40s are where men truly shine. Excited for what's to come.
I feel like i wasted my teen years.I had acne in high school it fucked me up too much.
Acne, etc. I looked like shotgun blast to the face. Very popular with all the ladies.
Somebody put it fantastically-
A show like 'Skins' is what your teenage years are meant to be like
A show like 'The Inbetweeners' is much closer to the truth for most of us
Generally when things go well for a teenager in a film, it's because the teenager is either outside the norm, like a Ferris Bueller, or something extraordinary happens to him to lift him up outside the norm and send him on a hero's journey that culminates with him being rewarded with sex.
Best years of your life is when you are independent, in great physical & mental shape, can do whatever the fuck you want, can say whatever the fuck you want and have fuck you money.
Tell me.. how many ever accomplish even ONE of those goals in their teenage years?
Yeah. Men have to build value while women are born with it. So we all start at nothing.
Yes, but the single most important value a man can build in his life is the MINDSET. You have the power to choose your own mindset rather than just accepting what the industry tells you.
Men are attracted to the female's body because we want SEX, but women are attracted to the male's mind because they need MEANING to her life.
Instead orbiting her vagina you must make the girls orbit your cock and this shit becomes unbelievable easy to do when you just change your mindset and internalise it.
Just think about a young and very beautiful girl and her sexual life. Maybe she can take 10+ different guys to bed everyday (with another 100+ needy chumps waiting) and you can think this as damn fucking unfair to men in general, for obvious reasons...
But now, think more carefully about this: what kind of man she'll be DESPERATE to find? One who makes himself defined by his looks, money, game or [put another random shit here]? Nope.
Trying to bargain her sex/beaulty for your money/feelings/gifts/fun etc., is just shooting yourself in the foot because that's a game you'll NEVER be able to win! EVER.
For example if you're a rich guy, she might leave you just to ride an even richer cock. Or even a poorer because "with him I can breathe because he doesn't try to spoils me all the time" or "he lets me serve him by making me feel that I can contribute to his success"... you got it.
You are NOT the "alpha male". YOU ARE GOD. Fake it til make it, and you'll be at the point where she's the ONE who's giving to you HER money, HER pussy, HER feelings, HER EVERYTHING: in return for just being with THE ONE who can deliver MEANING to her empty life: you.
I know i didnt. This guy got make outs at 16 in high school lol.
My first makeout and titty sucking was at 17 in uni. Didnt even smash the girl lol. Couldnt ger anyone until 21, but then it picked up for me with much effort.
Is it just me, or do i feel like my social skills in high school where better?
Males peak in their mid to late teens/early 20s though (many even before that)
And women have unlimited options throughout their entire life. There is no "wall" if anything the wall is for men.
Wtf are you talking about? Seriously, what you just said is so ass backwards I'm worried you're on way too much of some type of drug.
Men hit their physical prime in their early 20's to early 30's, but that's about all you got part right.
Wall in a reproductive sense, if they want kids.
No wall in the sense of being able to get a relationship or sex. Yeah of course you can't attract the same calibre of men at 60 than you could at 30, but men can't either (unless he uses his wallet of course, then anything is possible).
You are way oversimplifying the wall. Women do not want to go from solid 8 and banging 8-10 guys all through their 20's to getting hit on by old men at the gym with dad bods at best and having no other options.
It's like saying there is no decline in food quality going from high end steak house/best sushi bar in Tokyo to eating gruel for the rest of your life. Saying of course you can get your hands on a meal and ignoring food quality to make the case there has been no decline in said food quality? That is so painfully wrong I have to wonder if you even know what the wall is.
It doesn't work that way. A hot 25 year old is going to be a hot 40 year old, all things equal. That hot 40 year old can still attract hot men.
If you're talking about a 4/10 in her 20's who was banging 7's and 8's, and now has to settle for banging 5's and 6's in her 30's, so what? She punched way above her weight in her 20's, she's still punching above her weight in her 30's. I have no sympathy for people who are over-privileged, which every woman clearly is in sex/dating. That's like a multi-millionaire complaining that he's not a billionaire. No sympathy for people like this. They don't live in the real world. Most men aren't able to fuck any woman at all. You expect me to feel sorry for a 35 year old washed-up ugly woman who is "only" able to bang 6/10 males? Give me a break.
I'm well aware of what the wall is, but it's a gradual thing (as I explained in my first paragraph) and relative to men, women always have an abundance of options and are always able to fuck and date above their level. I'm not going to feel sorry for people like that. They need to learn how to deal with it and realise that most people aren't in such a privileged situation.
Look how popular the search terms "cougar" and "mature" are on porn sites. Older women are still considered attractive by men. Every teenage boy fantasizes about their hot female teacher. How many teenage girls sit around fantasizing about male teachers? None.
You aren't magically going to become attractive in your 30s or 40s and any man who is attractive at that age was more attractive, fitter and had higher SMV in their teens and 20s.
I am approaching my late 20's and can totally relate to this post. We are a generation of lost, poorly guided men seeking a purpose in life. The best thing we can do is mix and match the advice we receive and apply logic to our decisions. Use your wits to the best of your ability. I encourage you to keep hitting the gym, work hard, study everyday, maintain good hygiene, work on your self-improvement and maintain a positive outlook on life. We only get to experience this miracle known as life once and then it is done. Make the most of it. This was a great post and I learned a lot from it.
I've got the start of my journal with this quote:
I found TRP at 24. I think this quote captures its tenets perfectly
The "incel" identity in particular is retarded.
In real life... I am a well adjusted, 6'1 tall [right hand to God] man of Afro-Caribbean descent. Online, people think I am 'pretending to be black' and a closet incel because they dislike my views. Modern society is a disgrace because people who don't submit to the loudest voices are viewed as outcasts or herectics.
My problem with incels is simple - they refuse to play the hand they have drawn. It is a-okay not to be physically attractive [Chad, Alpha, Tyrone, Ramon, Chang Thunderwang, Vijay or ACK'med etc]. I think it is a beta trait to whine about it and not give a life long effort to improve yourself. What you can control is your output. Incels in my opinion give up on the game of social dominance way too early.
These are not expensive things nor very hard. Giving up is a cowards way out.
You're exactly right. I would sometimes go on the incel sub as a curiosity and guys would post pics of themselves and I couldn't see what the fuss was about.
I get that a lot of the guys there had social problems but so many of them could have genuinely been decent looking guys had they put some modicum of effort into their appearance.
They give up because they are not "chad" enough. I always laugh when they say "it's over." to which my mind would remember Leonidas' quote in 300, "It is only over when I say it is over!"
Damn that second phrase should be pinned to top.
Bro u're just 18, you've a whole fucking life
Learn from those experiences, and apply things you've learned
hah I remember being 16 and thinking "it's too late to start lifting now, should've started when I was 14"
I had similar ideas, looking back from 36 and how dumb it was
Kids are too sensitive these days and talk as they lived 50 or more years
as a 22 year old who has a "wait a minute, i don't know shit about shit" moment everyday. I approve this message.
Link this post when you write your TRP success stories after a few years when you change your life around.
Bro, you took the memes too seriously
4chan is notorious for creating memes that are a joke or ironic. They get pushed around enough that gullible dudes actually believe that its true, then begin to parrot it as being real. The most recent one I've seen, that I personally find hilarious, is the idea that if a girl rubs her clit while fucking you to get off, she is essentially cucking you. People have been eating that shit up.
There is definitely a scientific term for it. But the saying goes - Pretend to be a retard long enough, and suddenly you'll find yourself in good company.
it's more so that memes themselves are jokes, or they used to be, but to me they seemingly have evolved into more than that. They are ways people express themselves, ideals, as well as comedic. I think often memes are deeper than just jokes, and in many memes there lie facets of how the people who spread these memes actually think. The memes aren't meant to be taken seriously, but at this point I don't think they're always to be taken fully as a joke either.
Reddit too, not just 4chan. Many boards do that.
But lol, gullible people really need to use the logic and doubt unless there's a solid proof.
Lol I make girls do that when I'm hitting from behind. When they come I'll tell them that they are such a dirty girl and they eat it up.
Thanks for sharing, my dude. Sex is tight!
Fr lol, 80 percent of the stuff there is shitposting
Wasn’t totally his fault.
Humans have a bias to over-estimate the importance/truth of the first thing they hear regarding a new topic.
The first thing he saw regarding dating/girls was blackpill therefore he gave more mental emphasis on it.
It’s not really a meme that women strongly prefer taller men.
The keyword that leads to the most right swipes for male Tinder profiles is 6’.
Before you say I am just blaming my own height, I am nearing 6’1 and still likely growing (late bloomer).
He used memes to rationalize his way out of a girl showing genuine interest in him. He took the memes too seriously.
Sure, but it doesn't mean that 5'6 guy can't get laid with hotties. It just means that he would need to put way more effort into it. The same way the average person would need to put much more effort financially than millionaire's son. Life isn't fair - your work is to adapt.
Also, online dating is way too different from real-world interactions. Online women rationally choose the most physically attractive guys. There is no frame, no emotions, no real interaction.
Kid, you're doing great.
I'm over twice your age. You are WAY ahead of the game.
Don't ruminate about the past. I think back on the missed pussy, work opportunities, bands I should have played in, friends I should have hung with more, not competing at high level BJJ at a younger age... Listen. It's a waste of your mind. That's the most important thing you have.
So, rather than the negative emotion of focusing on correcting some error of the past that has caused you damage, shift your focus to some feeling of the future and the great feelings, experiences, expansion, sex, career, travel-- all the things that will make you happy and fulfilled.
Instead of lamenting the man you were, embrace the man you ARE and are becoming.
That redhead you missed? The world is full of pasty freckled chicks that will worship your cock. The mixed race hotty you couldn't believe liked you? The next time an even hotter one comes after you you'll believe it.
Great post-- remember kid. I've heard an analogy that moving into the future is not looking ahead but it's more like you're moving backwards and looking in the past but you can't see what's in front of you. You can only see what came before. I think we get caught in that by default so while you can't see what's coming, you can choose to stop looking at what already has been.
Don't beat yourself up too much eh?
Not OP but this spoke to me. Thanks man.
You're absolutely right bro, my fellowcels are being too delusional and are using the blackpill as a cope for their lack of action
I dont read incel groups for support...
I read them because they're fucking comedy gold.
This. Looking at forums like lookism and seeing all the virgins make fun of each other and arguing who’s uglier is hilarious imo. It’s like I’m watching a movie watching dumb and dumber while I’m eating popcorn lmao
ehh, spending any time in negative communities seems detrimental to me. Why bother surrounding yourself with that energy? I get it, it's funny sometimes. But other things can be funny too, and in my estimation the negatives outweighs the benefits I think. (the benefits being slight amusement at the suffering of others I guess?) There's always more to be gained in positive groups or endeavors whenever possible.
When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you
Suffering is the root of comedy, maybe, i'll to think about it
That’s gotta be Indians and Arabs religionmaxxing for vest arranged marriage
Totally agree. That's why I was banned from MGTOW for saying that MGTOW is not good for young kids or even worse, virgins. TRP is good and work on yourself is even better. I said you can't be a virgin and a MGTOW and surprise I was banned.
Sad to see so much infighting in the manosphere. Having frequented both subs for years I'm pretty divided on whether young men should go mgtow.
Part of the confusion i think is that both subs exaggerate the differences between eachother. You don't have to go monk mode to be mgtow and never have an interaction or sex, and likewise TRP doesn't advocate putting women ahead of everything you do in life. Both subs agree: YOU are the prize. Build it they will come (if you so want them).
Theoretically at the core there's a lot of overlap and agreement. However the subs themselves appeal to different demographics with a emphasis on different things. That's where things tend to get messy.
On a good note, mgtows seem to grasp that concept of "build it they will come" much easier. What's more alpha then being dead set on your career and consolidating your wealth and power?
But however that's a difficult and long journey to reach. You can't run before you're able to crawl. Likewise you can't expect enlightenment out of a newcomer. Younger men need some more digestible pills in the meantime. Ideally we shouldn't use women for validation but at the same time, we have to recognize that getting a quality woman is a primal motivation of us men.
I agree. But with everything considered I still argue that a 13 year old virgin boy should not embrace MGTOW as an escape and excuse from his problems with girls and not getting laid or at least a decent blowie. That's not was MGTOW was meant to be. And as I said in other comments, how can you chose to go your own way when you never had any other way? The MGTOW sign shows 2 paths and a virgin only ever had 1.
Hard to say why you were banned. Many MGTOWs have the same opinions as you regarding younglings.
MGTOW is just about one thing: Not being a fucking tool and taking a shit deal. NO LTR, NO cohabitation, NO marriage. We just refuse to serve the female imperative in any capacity.
My post-RedPill body count is in the high 20s right now, in over 2.5 years. Nothing like some RP/PUA brahs, but far from zero. MGTOW does not mean "monk" or "incel".
To me, it just means I go my way for my own benefit and above anybody or anything else. I build my body, my wealth, my family for no ungrateful ho. I don't put myself in the vulnerable position of being harvested and divorce raped.
There are NO "Alphas" in ThePlantation, only slaves.
Yes I agree my friend. The thing is that I touched a sensitive topic there: Virginity. I actually stated that by logic you can't be a virgin and a MGTOW at the same time. You can't chose to go another way if you only have one. That's why the MGTOW sign has two paths and not one.
I actually agree with this. Atleast taste a pussy or two, much better if it's a crazy girl's pussy, and decide if you still want to be enslaved by it.
yeah this post made me realise how fucked up it is to spread this MGTOW message to young people, especially teenagers.
like i didn't know they take this shit so serious but then again when i was 15 i was retarded and stupidly insecure too so i could def see myself potentially falling down this rabbit hole.
not good at all.
Yeah brother that's exactly what I realized back then too. MGTOW is for adults who have been in the trenches and got their purple heart or are just about to enter the trenches and are being warned by fellow soldiers. It's not for school children who have never seen action.
I tried to help those kids and was telling them to lift weights, get in shape and learn some game and so on and not declare to be MGTOW at 15. But unfortunately I was banned and although I sent a message to the MGTOW moderators asking why, since I didn't actually break any rule, they never answered and I remain banned...not good at all
A word to all of those "manlets" out there:
Dress well, work out, eat well, have a good career, have a great personality and the pussy will flow to you just like anyone else.
I'm 5'5 and I can say it's if you do these things you'll blow most average 6ft tall guys out of the water.
No fucking excuses. Get out there and make it happen.
I think the height thing is pretty overblown on the internet. One time I had a girl who was a couple inches taller than me borderline begging for it. Me being me did nothing of course, never did see her again.
Plated a chick for about 3 months who was 6ft tall. Never was an issue. Some people gave us weird looks and most guys are salty when you're with someone who's tall and attractive and you're short but that really just makes it feel even a little bit better on some level.
I fucking bookmarked this post. As a dude who is 5'6" I fucking agree. I have had 4 girlfriends in my life (I'm 27) and one was 5'9". Every thing you fucking said here is true and gold.
This has been a really bad past two years. I'm an engineering student graduates this semester but when you're our height, no money, no opportunity to meet girls, online dating is insanely competitive, and so forth, fuck you're going to have some self esteem issues. Especially engineering is not a "chad" major. We just have mostly dorky dudes and maybe 3-5 girls in the program and maybe 1-2 is considered hot but of course in college all women have boyfriends.
I think there is a rule here where you can't post links to subreddits., but there is a subreddit called "short". AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE . Reddit has so many self-loathing short guys and they want to blame all of their problems (particularly romance problems) on their height. And the thing also is when I read comments from self-loathing short guys on other subreddits, it makes me completely self-conscious and it actually does fuck my self-esteem up. Yes, by fucking reading comments.
OP, you are awesome man. I needed to read this !
Most bullshit, irrelevant, and dispensable statement you can have in your mental arsenal as a man. And even if it were true, so what? Being a real alpha is not just about being powerful and commanding in the presence of women, maintaining your frame, taking charge of your life, etc. etc.; it’s rejecting the presence of other males entirely and just living your life with that girl in the moment. Biologically speaking, women are designed to always be looking up the dominance hierarchy. They’re looking for reasons to pursue the more dominant man. Be that man.
new to trp and was getting jealous again and again of the chick im tryna plate in uni talk to other guys. this really puts me in perspective. thanks.
Every woman has a boyfriend, but that's like saying every woman has a car or a pair of pants. It's a temporary thing until they get an upgrade. Be the upgrade.
Engineering is completely a chad major.
Rigorous and demanding in math, science, and problem solving. The fact that it’s male dominated shows that it’s a masculine subject.
LMAO! Unbelievable. Engineering and similar majors are incel central. Dominated by introverted and dorky men. Lots of Asians and Indians, which unfortunately have a tougher time with dating in the US. You’ll find most of the Chads (frat guys and the sort) in business or easy majors.
Gotta agree With this. At my private uni there are so many of the incel types ya can see not to hate or anything but guys just don’t know the game. Though they’re incredibly smart fuck a ton more than me sometimes. They just don’t see their value and thing it comes from external things like women and such.
I see what you mean.
The population is definitely dorky, but as a personal major it’s one to boast
A note on height.
I was 5’7 (recently got to 5’8 and didn’t notice for a while though) and I just go for girls of any height. At 5’6 there’s plenty of girls smaller than you so even though a lot of women won’t even consider dating a guy shorter than them, at 5’6 you’re still taller than a lot of women.
A girlfriend I had liked that we were the same height. Made physical stuff very easy and comfortable which was her reasoning.
As a guy you will find it harder to date girls if you’re shorter because it reduces the available pool of women who would even consider you (girls that will date guys shorter than them are very, VERY rare but out there). However there will still be a fair few women who are shorter than you (even for guys who are like 5’3) unless you’re an adult man who is 4’11 or whatever.
Also about the Chad thing; apparently I’m kind of a ‘Chad’ in terms of looks. I work out but struggle to put on as much weight as I would like. I got lucky with my bone structure though and any muscle mass I gain looks like more than it really is because I’m not super tall but rather average height.
I still struggle with attracting women because I find it hard to tell when they are attracted to me, I am a little awkward, I get easily intimidated by really cute women and I don’t really have as many opportunities to meet women as I would like. A lot of my hobbies and interests are male-dominated and I only go out to bars and clubs maybe once every fortnight or so. I am going to uni next year so that may give me more opportunity.
For me, what helped most with being less intimidated with women was framing them as little kids. Not in a misogynistic way, but more how I interact with them. I’m a huge teaser, to my own detriment sometimes (who gives af, my own amusement is what really matters) and you can draw so many parallels to them and little kids. I recommend you start framing them as such. Experiment a little with teasing as you would a little toddler, you’ll get the same results. You can literally use the exact same teases. Once you see success, you won’t be so scared because they’ll seem harmless. Best of luck
Sounds like awesome teen years to be honest though. The bluepill made my teenyears worse than yours or else my mind is not functioning correctly by default.
I agree blackpill is wrong and loser mentality. They honestly think the world resolves around being with a woman. Though it brought me to redpill and MGTOW which is more healthy ideologies.
Hell bro you at least got invited to stuff and made out. You're like, 10 steps above me in my current state.
Totally agree with this post. Actually after I started reading TRP I started to believe I was an ugly unfuckable guy - whereas actually it's just not true, I always had girlfriends, and they were always pretty hot. I just got burned by a oneitis once, and my brain naturally thought that it's cause I'm ugly and a nerd etc.
These beliefs really damaged be and sabotaged me. Despite being in great shape, doing what I love, popular, naturally dominant and always attracting girls, it was like my core belief was that I'm unfuckable so I always subconsciously sabotaged situations with women in order to prove the belief true.
I suspect I'm not the only one.
Did you solve this? This is me to a T. I still get laid, but only with girls who ask me out which is super weak
In what you just wrote it sounds like there's two parts of you:
The part that only gets girls who ask you out
The part that thinks you're super weak
The game is to comprehend that these aren't two separate things - that they're actually the same.
You only get girls who ask you out BECAUSE you think you're super weak
You think you're super weak because you only get girls who ask you out
Its circular logic. When you see this you'll see that there is no real problem, it's just an illusion, and transcend it
Welcome to the fold, brother, and thanks for posting that warning to others. You're still waaaay younger than many of us here. Some of us didn't find our way here for another decade or two. But the good thing is that's it's never too late. Don't worry about the missed opportunities; focus on the infinite opportunities that lie ahead!
As a 17 year old who is 5’5 and is only starting to scratch the surface of the “don’t give a fuck” mentality, thank you. I’ve never had a girlfriend before but I am relatively happier and more confident than I used to be. (Also due to nofap, that stuff makes me feel great)
Also even though I’ve read a good amount, I still desire to have a normal family. Loving wife and children
Women dont love like men do. Not saying they cant bond and fall in love but they generally dont love you they love what you can do for them.
I'm just saying I longed for a soul mate for a long time and it took decades to realize that that is a delusion.
They may love you but it's not for what you have on the inside
I want to believe it, I know you’re right. However, I want that Disney fantasy even though the odds are not even close to being in my favor. Maybe I should just become super rich lol
the reason the black pill is dangerous is because it’s the truth. it will make you self aware of your flaws & depressed. either decide to not live in reality, or have your confidence tested by swallowing it.
I stopped reading once I read the whole I was 16 years old three years ago part
That’s cool, I’m sharing my experiences with the blackpill and warning others of the damage it caused me.
Its commonly said on incel forums that you cant proclaim yourself incel if you are under 18 and many say even under 22-23. Young guys like you are actually discouraged from Ldaring.
Also its easy to forego blackpill when you have friends, even female ones and you have females approaching you. Only a dumb fuck would stay blackpilled in such case. However if your every interaction with ppl is shit its natural to be blackpilled
You’re barely 18 though, you have no real experience of the real world. All of your experiences are from highschool.
I see both sides of the issue.
The MGTOW guys have a tendency to be bitter and filled with hate. That is not a mentally healthy place to be IMO. While I think marriage is a scam and women cause a lot of drama I don't blame them for acting in their own best interest. They have hundreds of thirsty guys desperately chasing them, they might as well cash out on the situation.
On the other hand, I think the red pill guys are entering women's frames. Just lift weights, dress nice, study game, become wealthy etc. Do whatever it takes to meet the ever-escalating demands that women decide to come up with. The problem here is that your life revolves around someone else's happiness rather than identifying what you want. I this truth reveals when guys still feel incomplete after jumping through all these hoops.
In my opinion, it is perfectly rational for someone to say chasing women in the western world just isn't worth it from an effort \ reward perspective. The juice may not be worth the squeeze. That is something every individual needs to decide.
I think you’re wrong regarding TRP. You aren’t entering women’s frame, you’re entering the frame of being a man for your own good and no one else. Doing those things for the sole reason of getting pussy, however, would be - this is because it has to come from you, not some women. Women only care because if you’re easy to step on, then you’re putting them in danger too. They want a strong leader, not a weak son who needs help every 5 min.
These skills are for you to be the best version of yourself, nothing to do with women directly, but society. Everything you’ve outlined needs to be done to be respected by men too, and respected by yourself. Stopping those things will make you not like yourself either, go figure.
If you don’t like having to do that to be a man in society, then that’s on you, just don’t be surprised when you lose respect from everyone in your life, not just women.
Just a perspective from someone who was in a completely different boat.
By the time i was 18 i was 6ft 4" and had a really attractive face, the looks max philosophy helped me become a better man...
I got shredded, cleared up my skin and improved my style and hair cut and have zero complaints.
I don't deny the black pill community is full of incels but they make some good points, we should all strive to be as attractive as possible.
Just ignore the delusional ones.
Many if not most red pills can become black pills, if you give up the struggle.
There is some difference in views of reality between the two but there's a lot of overlap. The main difference is how you respond to the cold hard facts as you see them. Stay in the fight.
hey dude this was a great post, i’m a teen myself and I can relate to a lot here. I had a crush very recently but ruined my chances by going full creep mode and it ended up with my suspended. I’m still bitter but it still makes me think of what could’ve been
Stay away from any and all blackpill shit.
Any man can transform itself into a better self. You will never be Chad, but you will be quite not the average and you can be exotic too. It's just matter of knowing what to do and follow the tips from TRP: lift, diet, aspect, etc.
Sounds like u have / had self esteem issues, I recommend patrice o Neil
Could be worse. I lost my virginity to an escort my elder cousin bought me lol
This post was super helpful. I read way too much of the black pill stuff for years and had horrible assumptions of everything because of it. Recently started lifting again and have thought about joining some social clubs/volunteer work to get a nice social life going, maybe even a gf in the near future.
Unfortunately I’ve wasted my teen years, (I’m 22) but I still think I can make a good change for myself, as I’m still relatively young.
The truth is most of us didn’t have a masculine figure to reveal to us how the world works and to to teach us how to navigate it.
Damn dude, this hit right at home for me. I'm 21 long time lurker, (first comment in years now that I think of it). Been on here since I was 16. Somehow my game was better from that 16-18 period. College came around and me being the pre med biochemist I am (having to be better than everyone at everything I do) I slowly slipped and slipped from having a social life. It's almost as if I've kind of missed out on important social skills I should have developed in these 3.5 years. I kinda don't know what the fuck to talk about with people my age, I can really only have deep (not to be confused with sad) meaningful conversations. That little chit chat and banter is what I feel like I haven't developed. Something I've realized however is that I simply don't give a fuck about the aforementioned things. Are they a problem maybe so, and I am aware of it. But I don't let it tie me down. I have a purpose in life and certain values that I won't leave for anything. When you talk about that negativity that goes on in your head I think you're dead on. Having that purpose in life is huge, suddenly superficial stuff just chips away in your mind and you'll find exactly what you should put your effort into.
These past few months have been huge for me though. I've finally swallowed the pill I think. I lied to myself that I had swallowed it before but I truly believe I have now. I meditate daily and began to lift daily again (down 10lbs). However, the journey is never ending. I need to get back in the game.
Sorry for the rant gents this post hit it home for me, needed to get this off my chest.
If there's anything I could impart.
Don't worry about females, practice flirting, day game, maintaining frame. But do **NOT** worry about females or getting laid.
Build yourself up FIRST
The key is confidence, which should happen naturally as you learn and try to do these things and come out of your shell. Become a better self and Females will throw themselves at you.
The internet and social media are ruining kids lives. Children cant say anything silly anymore because of adults calling them cringe. They cant laugh anymore or joke about dad jokes. Out elders cant enjoy the internet anymore because edgy people calling them boomers for laughing at jokes that maybe only them would get because of nostalgia or because it was ban or rare ar the time. People are not acting like their age anymore.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but anyone who is truly active in any sub reddit about this shit, is doomed to be a douche. Go live life how you want, read books about psychology and how humans work, do what makes you happy and thats all that matters. Humans in general suck, so dont expect to find someone who will make your life great if it sucks. And to anyone who is jealous of “chads” or “britneys” have you ever fucking hung out with them?? Its horribly depressing most of the time when you truly break down whats happening🤣 if you’re a virgin, WHO GIVES A FUCK.
The truest pill is the conspiracy and paranormal pill. The other truest pill is that the black white and redpill are all viable pills when tempered with each other and too much of one can fuck you over.
You guys obsess over your red pill without ever realizing the CIA and the Jews are aware of your community and take measures to pervert it or make you look like idiots without ever realizing the truth of how the world really works.
You claim to be redpilled yet you have just taken a lesser blue pill by still trying to function within a corrupt society and civilization that will only further down the line destroy your children.
I mean you right and shit, but this is a sexual strategy sub.
This feels great to read after having fucked a 188-cm tall mom, I'm 177.
Go manlets go!
Stop fucking my mom, dipshit!
TRPer, lend me your ears. For this world is tragically disheartening, unfair, and despicably bad behavior . There are also hopes, good friendships, and wine.
There are three thing in the world that can’t be ignored, it is the (lust) desires, law(power), and self control (stoic).
There are also three types of man.
First is the one that find what they want, but break the law to achieve it. That person will be on the run from law forever and be in jail. They commit the crime without power to back them up, and their life will be satisfied but dangerously short. These are your criminals, crooks, mob boss, gangsters, thief’s, and rubber They want what their emotion telling them and want to follow their desires. Yet law is almost one arara
There are another type, the one that achieves what he wants in life, and yet to be able to control the desires in his own abilities. He able to be content with what he wants in life actually achieved it, he will find life is rich and optimistic about it. He will pursue life with unbiased eye and enjoy the journey of it.
Last man, find nothing he can control, and everyone ignore him since he have no influence. He do whatever he can to achieve success, but in the end he can’t, he didn’t get what he want, unwilling go against law itself, he is just living and get angry about his frustration for not able to be free. He find life boring and useless
Don’t be the victim.
Probably the only point on which I think the Black pillers have a point, is that advice like this should come from people who actually are in bad situations. Eg Neil Strauss, 5 foot 7, in his late 20's, bald, little success with women. And of course there's way worse situations- smaller, uglier, maybe disabilities etc
Here we have a guy, who in the two categories he mentions (age and height) is in a far better situation than the majority of people on the planet, lecturing on why you shouldn't believe what incels say- if you aren't unattractive.
So what about the people who are actually unattractive?
Because that is on who the Black Pillers actually prey. In this case the guy had mental issues (which imo is probably worse) but because he wasn't unattractive, he got out of it. He actually says that what helped him is that he realized that other people are shorter, less attractive, and that he isn't an absolutely unattractive.
So what is the advice for those people? Fuck them, who cares?
Fantastic post. Whilst the TRP community loves to talk about relationships, very few even talk about the actual issues. You hit the nail on the head. It's extremely easy to be deceived on a worldview in any category; it's truly insane.
For most people, you're not unsuccessful: you're just distracted. You have achieved things which other people dream of doing. Yet, as people, we look up at the next barrier instead of looking down at what has already been accomplished. It's frustrating, and only leads to an unhealthy cycle.
etc. Don't get me wrong, eternal growth should be striven for. Just don't let it get to your head. As men, I believe the community bond just is lacking: we should strive, also, to build stronger bonds overall.
Hey, since you were 5’6 at the time, I am 5’8 and 15, do I have a chance to hit 6’?
I was 5'9 when I was 15. I stopped growing at age 19 and ended up at 5'11.5
It depends on genetics. You grow in your sleep so make sure to get at least 8 hours and eat well.
You can also look into HGH treatment through a doctor. My nephew (who has an identical twin) did this and ended up 3 inches taller than his brother (who didn't).
Theres also regular everyday foods that increase T. Salmon, asparagus, garlic, brocccoli, butter, chicken breast
Right. From 14-18 I slept and ate like crap (hardly ate sometimes). I always wonder if I could have pushed the height up passed 6ft.
Another option, since most doctors won't prescribe HGH, is MK-677. It's a growth hormone secretagogue that will increase your body's production of GH. I took it for three months when I was 18 or 19 and about 5'9.5" and grew about a half an inch. That could have happened without the MK, especially since I'm now somewhere between 5'10.5" and 5'11", but there's no way to be sure.
Something to consider, but please do your research.
Why not? Blackpill is truth and helped me immensely. I don’t have to worry about dumb “game” anymore and can talk whatever shit I want as long as I look good.
What is a non-chad supposed to do with blackpill information? The answer is lay down and rot. We don’t do that here, fuck off.
No. Non-Chad has to make money so he can pay whores and live like a king.
That's what red pillers do as well, they just pretend it is their "mission" and convince themselves it's their "tight game" and "rock solid frame" that attracts women.
Username checks out.
Look bro its really easy to believe that blackpill shit frfr. But on God I see non Chad niggas with hoes in non- betabux relationships all the time.
Be honest with yourself
Are you lifting?
How are your social skills?
Do you have friends/ a social circle?
Do you have a job?
Do you interact with other people on a day to day basis?
The blackpill is essentially a cop out for people with no social skills blaming their looks for their shit lives. If you’re a legitimately deformed turbomanlet indian or whatever then yes maybe its over for you, but mostly its just normal looking dudes pining their problems on not being Chad.
Not really.
I have all of those and active sex life and relationship.
I still have looks my #1 focus, because I know how immensely important they are. Like 95% of my focus is looks and 5% is game.
And funny, but since I gained additional 20 lbs of muscle mass I've gotten more attention. And not because of dumb ass "confidence BRUHHHH", it's because I look more dimorphic and sexually appealing to females.
Looks are the most important thing.
If you are really short and really ugly (unfixable via surgery) you are ABSOLUTELY fucked and should concentrate on money and escorts as the doors of primal attraction are forever sealed off for you. And I despise red pillers pretending every guy has a chance. No...ethnic, balding 5'4'' dude with 4 inch penis does not have a chance apart from beta buxxing a 50yo alcoholic aboriginal landwhale mother of 5...he is absolutely beyond fucked...let's cut the shit and admit reality already...
Chad is a mindset thing. Be the most attractive guy with incel mentality and your still be a loser that has a hard time getting laid.
“ITS A MINDSET THING” - Eric Bugenhagen
You're right, a blackpilled Brad Pitt would never get pussy. No wonder everyone hates this dumbass community.
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. You don't have any proof that a good looking guy with the wrong mentality would still be successful. The chadfish stuff does prove that aesthetics are very important for woman I agree.
But in none of those cases did they actually have sex. It was all online. A guy with actual mental issues still has a million chances to fuck it up from there on out.
If you don't think other skills like attitude and confidence play a part, and that even someone who had the mental disabilities of Rainman would be surrounded by models if he had the right look, then we simply disagree.
No, it proves that looks as in your facial bone structure and height are the strongest and the only initiator of romantic interest.
No he doesn't. They already agreed to it all he has to do is show up.
Confidence does matter stop selling snake oil and turning men into SIMPS. Pathetic
How does a girl liking a guy cos he's "hot" prove that being "hot" is the only thing girls are interested in?
And them agreeing to show up is not the same as having sex. Your one example involved no one having sex. Its a extremely flawed study.
It doesn't. You're drawing the wrong conclusions.
A blackpilled Brad Pitt would become a naturally redpilled Brad Pitt after hitting the club and making a tinder acc.
This is stupid. No. Chad is absolutely a bone thing.
There is no "Chad mindset" if you are a 5'5'' ethnic balding manlet with micropenis. No improving also. Why do we live in this TRP bullshit where we believe every thing can be improved?
I maxxed myself out and have active social and sex life, but from my observations in world black pill > red pill.
Lol you truly believe you absolutely maxed yourself out? Sure the world can be harsh and people live with the cards u are dealt but no reason to have a negative mindset and give up.
You’ll always be able to grow yourself or improve some aspect of your life. Fuck what other people are born with or what they have focus on you. You create your own happiness it’s not determined by anyone else.
Is the blackpill the same as the bluepill?
The blackpill is the mentality that it’s either chad or bust. Thats a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down. Believe me.
That mentality can only fester in an echo chamber via the neglecting of the reality in front of oneself. That human interaction isn’t always black and white. Such an improper translation is the exact reason an incel cannot communicate correctly with a woman.
Aka a result of the ‘internet matrix’ and mistaking its mechanics of communication as an offshoot of reality.
The Blackpill trades in absolutes. No room for middle ground. There is some value to gain from spending time in blackpill areas but very little and high risk of warping your perspective that giving up is the best option.
I only read blackpilled topics that are backed by actual scientific research. Otherwise it's all trash. Redpoll for life
lol omg. Uh no. It’s kinda of what happens when you feed mogwai after midnight.
You can make yourself more than just genetics and luck.
I'm only 5'6", and was a husky fellow at 15, who'd had sex with exactly 1 girl.
I wasnt doing well.
My sixteenth summer, I sat up late one night watching Rocky movies. The next day, I dug out my old weight set. Started lifting and cardio.
That summer, I got a job, lost 20 lbs, got ripped. When i went back to high school my junior year, i discovered something:
A young man with decent looks, a good physique and good social skills, is like a god in halls of a highschool. Sex literally came looking for me. I had one plate reccomend me to her fucking friend, for crying out loud. And yes, I hit that, too.
If you're young and able, and NOT lifting/working put...you're an idiot.
I wish I had been this wise and aware when I was your age kiddo. You’ve got YEARS of potential slaying ahead of you! The world is fucking yours.
Also, height is way overrated, it doesn’t matter as long as you’re not very short, like say shorter than the average female (around 165cm or 5.4") I’m slightly shorter than you are but it has never prevented me from getting 9s multiple times in my life. Being bluepilled af definitely has though.
If for females physique represents close to 100% of their SMV, it is NOT the case for males. At all.
Blackpill is for losers.
When I was 20 my dad kicked me out of the house, the girl I loved was fucking chads around, and every day I walked by a motorcycle dealership to see my dream bike. Now I'm 40, have a degree, girlfriend, plates, and a motorcycle stable. It gets better.
>I’ve grown to around 5’9/10, which is perfectly average and acceptable.
Acceptable by whom? Girls? They won't accept anything under 6'3. I'm 5'7, who cares? I mean yes, you will fuck WAY LESS than those chads. You will still fuck enough. And when you are 50 and see all those giants chads in a wheelchair while your back is better than in your 20, you will thank being short and light.
Acceptable meaning I have plenty of friends and people I know who are this height and have no issues attracting girls. What is the point of your comment exactly?
It's that you are listing your height as acceptable. You are subjecting yourself for evaluation if you deem your height as "acceptable". Your height cannot be accepted or rejected.
If you wanna reach younger guys, always keep it short and simple. Tl;dr: Blackpill is legit, just not 100% absolute law. Looks still matter though.
Thanks op... I've been doing this cuz i was bored and i feel bad for them incels.. I'll stop.. Thanks
Damn your the same age as me. Sixth Form 2017.
It was shite so I dropped out.
Man you are young i am 26 soon i wish i realised some things in your age.
Im 16 and an inexperienced virgin, this hit me hard
I know the allure of the black pill. Nihilism is a way to lean into the pain. Ultimately you are the one in control of the time you've been given. You can succumb to entropy and despair or you rail against it.
I'm someone who grew up almost entirely with negative reinforcement. I can't really recall any kind words of encouragement ever said to me in my childhood. This may come off as woe is me but I appreciate it now as an adult. It sucked as a kid but eventually I came to the realization that all negativity is motivation. Anger, sadness, pain. They all drive you to make a change. Like some rapper said, if it's not a happy ending then it's not the end. It's never the end unless you give up.
How did the black pill embrace nihilism? I thought the black pill was to look at the hard truths not give up hope in life but now I'm seeing it embraces inaction which is pathetic and only causes more suffering.
Too many black pills can lead to nihilism. Things aren't always as bad as they appear. TRP is looking at and accepting facts. A black pill is taking a fact and letting it bring you despair, as I understand it. Like, you're ugly so life will be harder so you say fuck it and become a slob.
Venting is good, I'm convinced that's what the internet's true value lies.
Hope the rest of this guy's healing process goes well.
Life goes on, it goes on.
You seem to be making excuses. First of all, at your age you dont really know anything. You shouldn't be committing to anything at this point because you're mostly clueless about the world.
Second of all, what exactly did you miss out on? Dating in high school? Having sex in high school? You aren't supposed to enjoy high school, you just need to survive. It's possible you also missed out on knocking some girl up and ruining your life.
You seem to be basing your regret in part on your belief that there are women that were interested in you that you didn't pursue. I dont doubt that you have the ability to pull those women in, however, why are you so traumatized over missing out on a couple teenage crushes? In the grand scheme of things it is meaningless.
I just want to warn you that there are women who will flirt with men and toy with men with no intention of sleeping with them. Sometimes they're playing around, sometimes they are feeling you out, ie shit testing you, to see how you'll react.
I dont think I fully understand black pill philosophy but extreme cynicism of American culture seems to be to be spot on. Inaction and hopelessness in life is a terrible choice regardless of age but checking out of dating and relationships is something to consider and doing so does not mean you cant have goals or have sex.
It sounds a little like you are hooked back on the need for female validation. Youre thinking you're not as undesirable as you thought, that you can get female validation. The question is why do you want it. I think the better route is self-improvement with indifference to women. Take them as they come.
Also, I'm not sure you were wrong about women needing to pursue you. Now perhaps they did pursue you and you wanted to protect yourself from rejection so you wanted them to go further. If you're indifferent to women you can find out where you stand without taking things personally.
I dont mean to discourage you from pursuing women as you are at an age where there are undamaged women available. Just be selective and realize that our society corrupts these women without them even understanding what is happening. I'm also not sure that banging unattractive chicks is worth it for you although we all have to decide what is worth pursuing.
How could you type so much text yet not say a single thing worth a shit?
That was your entire post. Childish finger pointing. It’s not my fault I could only bang an ugly chick. It’s blackpill.
What kind of an idiot decides to give up on life at 15? Seriously, you haven’t begun to address your issues. You’re fucked.
Lolwut? The purpose of my post was to warn other younger members of TRP not to fall into those detrimental thinking patterns and to focus on the stuff that matters. The blackpill can and most likely will fuck you up mentally.
Yes I was an easily convinced insecure 15 year old but we learn from our mistakes. Fuck off, douche.
You shouldn’t be giving advice to anybody.
So you think that insecure teenagers should consume blackpill content?
I’m 31. Get it right now trust me, apply this shit. You’re good!
What is the black pill? I can't seem to find here on Reddit. Am I missing something?
The gist of that pill is that looks is the only thing that matters in life.
Great post, but throwing away three years is nothing my dude. Now stick to TRP and go forth and slay!
I'd rather not come across as autistic.
https://youtu.be/FMaFDyyYfng
Great video here I watched a little while ago that sums up what's so harmful about blackpill thinking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv09vgRLbOY&t=2s
looks do matter. That’s why most people here tell you to lift, dress cool, get a haircut.
But the most important thing I’ve found is that you don’t have to look good, you have to look COOL. A guy who is cool will 100% get more girls than a guy who just looks good
4chan is a honeypot purposefully designed to demoralize.
These blackpillers are upset because they can’t fuck 9’s and 10’s. Let me tell you, I’ve banged a couple 9-10’s pre redpill and yes it boosts your confidence that you were able to procure a beautiful woman, but I’d much rather be with a 7-8 who is a nice person and not as hypergamous. Even a 6 with a solid head on her shoulders would suffice. So, looks matter, but not nearly as much as the blackpill makes it out to be. Be happy with the type of women you’re able to attract. If you feel you deserve better, make moves to improve without making drastic surgical altercations.
Thanks for the honest post and experience. This is something guys here need much more than "I fucked all girls"-Field Reports.
Even tho you took a detour, guys need to understand the mental side of swallowing process and get some guidance - even in a form of someone else's experience.
if you fall into stupid mind traps, youre a fool. being a fool is shitty dating/LIVING strategy
This reads not unlike Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein". Bravo for that...
In my experience almost all guys who believe in the black pill are A LOT. LOT more attractive than they think they are and can pull a ton of girls if they had right attitude, personality, frame, and maybe practiced some self love.
It might be because these guys believe in the black pill so much so try to care more about their looks... but honestly
The black pill is like the ultimate incel-bate, it's what some men who engage in TRP but don't get women & want/need something to blame for not getting women besides their personality, frame, attitude or one of the three.
It's also possible they're just socially retarded and do things that are massive turn offs to women or act creepy. If you act creepy even once she will just have sex with the chad who never acted creepy. Fuck. Not just acting creepy, if you do some behavior she deems weird or off putting you're kinda toast.
To be fair, if you're more attractive you're given a pass on it more, but this applies to every fucking thing in life not just mating, if you're more attractive you're more like-able, more likely to get better paying jobs, treated nicer by people, and countless other things I don't remember right now. HOWEVER THE RULES STILL APPLY.
I know this can be hard to understand, but that's the worst it gets, and if you care so much about that just focus on maxing your looks and looking the best you can... this will give you confidence and probably get you the same treatment as all the super attractive people getting the pass if you maintain a lil frame or confidence. Why? Because everyone can look sexy. Human beings are jealous envious creatures. Even a supermodel can get jealous of another man looking good or a really hot 10/10 girl can get jealous of a 7/10 girl looking good, consider herself uglier. GET OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD. STOP USING INCEL LOGIC. And realize it doesn't matter anyway, because to a certain extents looks is something you can't control, it has to do mainly with genetics and if you want to be super extreme & have the money how much realistic surgery you're willing to get. If surgery makes you look even a little fake or unnatural it's not realistic.
But anyway back to why it doesn't matter, YOU CAN GET LAID ANYWAY LOL. EVEN AN AVERAGE 3/10 OR 4/10 GUY CAN GET LAID WITH REASONABLY SEXY WOMEN WITH STRONG FRAME OR OTHER STUFF GOING ON WITH HIM TO GENERATE ATTRACTION. But if that 3/10 4/10 guy bitches, moans about himself in his head or outside, plays victim card, complains, has low self esteem, thinks of himself as too unattractive and fails all the shit tests, etc etc... he's done, he's toast. You don't get a pass, fuck you, they already aren't super attracted to you like the 9/10 chad so if you are gonna make them think they shouldn't want you too, why should they? They will treat you how you want them to with your frame. If you treat like whores its infinitely more likely they will be whorey with you, if you treat them like a celebrity then you will their number one fan. You think women don't love free attention and free submissiveness from you? LOL, she will take all the ego boost she can get, since when she's left alone with no men in her life she becomes extremely insecure.
So tldr like always, focus on yourself, what you can control, and being happy with everything you have.
Wtf man, you are 18, learn (or better said, unlearn) to not give a fuck, don’t even read trp, dont do that, get off the internet and live your life and do stupid shit, go out everyday and learn to get in touch with what your emotions tell yourself, so that you mat learn to control rhem
Congrats on pulling yourself up out of the muck, young man.
I used to go on 4chan but nowadays it's too depressing.
There are people in the anger phase of the black pill who say improving looks is impossible and say "it's over," just like how there are red pillers who give up on playing to female nature and go MGTOW. But the black pill is a pretty comprehensive guide on how a man can improve his looks. I saw past the nihilism and used black pill science to "ascend" from "high tier normie" to "Chad lite." Now I finally am getting with hot women, whereas before I was getting with average women mostly. Both black pill and red pill are right and actually very complementary. Black pill is useful for attracting hot women and red pill is useful for making them respect you.
How exactly did you make the blackpill work for you?
Using the information in there to improve my looks.
Not everyone is sensitive like you are beta
Look up the Chadfishing experiments. Chad Thundercock, Tyrone Titandick, Chang Long Wang and David Goldschlong can do no wrong in the eyes of hoes. Its over
It's useful stuff but the resistance towards it is that it tends to result in people giving up instead of simply accepting that they're simply playing a different game.
It's a really good way to see proof of female nature first hand, especially for those who are doubtful.
Have you seen that chadfish on bodybuilding forums? https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165905221&page=1
BASED. SUIFUEL LMAO
Yeah no, we don’t want that shit here. Get out.
I was being humorous bro. Are you a chad, tyrone or chang long wang?
If you understand the “true nature” of women why are you so upset? It’s actually had a reverse effect on me, I’ve never been attractive had dates or sex, and after browsing those subreddits, hearing about all the cheating, divorces, false accusations ect I’ve felt more liberated knowing I’m not getting financially and emotionally screwed. Claim to resent women but then spend a good chunk of time brooding Online, If you truly were a MGTOW, man you’d become happier with not being a “Chad” who has to go through all the emotional games and financial games that come with some women. You’re just upset and jealous you’re not chad. A true MGTOW man appreciates he’s not a “chad” and uses his time fixing himself up, helping other men, and enjoying life.
I was being humorous bro. I'm not a Chad, I'm a Chadlite. Bachelors in Economics, 6'3, jail time, schizophrenia/dark triad tendencies, experimented with drugs, low inhibition, low body fat. I find the blackpill to hold some truths. I was just talking the way incels do for fun. "Its over"
Why so many words? Good title, good point, but holy fuck, you could be a bit more concise.
Yeah thats what I thought at first. Writing isn’t one of my talents.
Better too much than not enough brother! You did well! Thanks for sharing!
The girls you thought were into you were most likely just being nice.