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The pinnacle of game: Creating a void of value

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by Wingflier on /r/TheRedPill
26 November 2019 07:53 PM UTC

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It's no secret that the reason most men discover or are interested in the RP philosophy is that they want to up their game with women and/or engage in a journey of self-improvement, which are more or less the same thing.

So it's important to understand how female psychology works in regards to what makes the Red Pill so successful.

Women want to be with a guy who they perceive as being more valuable than they are. This is basic human psychology. This is hypergamy in a nutshell. This is why the more money women make, the more money they need the guy to make to find him a suitable mate. This is why the more options a woman has, the more selective she becomes. This is why during sex women like to be degraded and humiliated by the guy, or spanked and choked. In the most primal and ultimate expression of our animal instincts, the man is asserting his dominance over her, his power over her, and increasing the void of value between the two of you to the most extreme level possible. You are her god and she is your slave. Why do you think women are so into bondage and rape fantasies? It's all power dynamics.

So if you want to have a powerful game, what you're really focusing on is creating a void of value. There are many ways of doing this but I'll focus on the most obvious 3:

  1. Increasing your actual/objective value through physical means like lifting, losing weight, or making money.
  2. Increasing your perceived self-value through meeting goals, meditation, and psychological training.
  3. Decreasing her perceived value through approaching, unyielding confidence and negging.

It's important to note the blatant distinction between points 1 and 2.

In method 1 you're increasing your external sense of value (determined by society) through physical means like looking better or being financially better off. In method 2 you're increasing your internal sense of value by doing things which make you proud of yourself. Do you see the difference? One is external and material, the other is internal and psychological. They are both important.

This is why you so often hear the repeating motto in this sub of "Lift. Lift. Lift. Just shut up and lift." It's because lifting inadvertently creates so much value for the adherent, even if they don't understand why.

  1. It makes them look better by being more muscular and losing fat, therefore making them more socially valuable.
  2. It increases their internal sense of self-value by meeting goals and having discipline.
  3. The physical appearance and confidence of a ripped guy is often intimidating to women, lowering their own sense of value.

It's not that lifting is some ancient magical ceremony that guarantees success. In fact there are many different ways one could achieve a similar effect. Lifting is simply an easy and effective solution that any man can do to maximize his results, even if he doesn't fully understand why.

In fact, the more you think about it, ALL of the most common and mainstream Red Pill mottos and philosophies boil down to creating a void of value between a man and the woman he's trying to fuck. "Abundance mentality" lowers her value because she's replaceable. "Neg her" lowers her sense of self-value by making her feel as though there's something wrong with her. "AWALT" makes her like every other girl, therefore not valuable. The entire meditation on shit testing is a way in which a man asserts his value over a woman by not allowing himself to be emotionally provoked by her, but instead treating her irrational outbursts as if she were a mere spoiled child. What could create more of a value disparity than that?

There are a million ways to create a value disparity between yourself and a woman, I encourage you to take some of the most common advice but also be creative. Always keep it in the back of your mind that this is your goal from the moment you meet her. Even long into the relationship, if it begins to fail, it will be because she started to lose respect for you and therefore the value disparity began to shrink. For men, respect is vastly more important than "love".

Addenum:

Another example of RP words of wisdom are "Don't worship the pussy." Why do you think that is? Because it's low-value and makes you look desperate. If a man seems desperate to a woman, he's automatically considered low-value. This is why approaching is so non-intuitive to guys. When they first begin approaching, most guys will seem nervous and desperate to her. But if you are desperate to get laid, why would you approach? Because you must build desensitization to this activity until it becomes completely normal and natural, like talking to your friends or family. You must change your own frame through action, not just thinking. Once you can be perfectly comfortable around beautiful women, and accepting of rejection, you will love and respect yourself more, which directly translates to more success. The reality is that the reason any man does not approach is fear. It is a fear that controls him but is also in some ways perfectly rational. He knows he will be rejected because he does not have self-respect and confidence around women. Again, this comes with practice and lots of failure. This is why, against all intuition, you must keep doing it. As long as you are ruled by fear, you will never truly have your own respect.



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Title The pinnacle of game: Creating a void of value
Author Wingflier
Upvotes 709
Comments 47
Date 26 November 2019 07:53 PM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/296747
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197 upvotesAnnouncerer4 months ago

Very good post, especially in the shitshow TRP has been in the past months. I'm glad there are posts that are going back to the basics and reaffirming basic red pill principles.

38 upvotesElegantCyclist4 months ago

Game is about underlying value, value delivery, and environment, probably in that order. It is not possible to get around the underlying value issue.

3 upvotesZech4riah4 months ago

For high value guys game is about marketing yourself and bringing forth your value (underlaying value).

For low value guys game is selling an illusion of high value about yourself. It is possible to get around the underlying value issue for awhile but the truth will come up sooner or later.

48 upvotesKeffirLime4 months ago

One of the most effective ways to display value disparity with a woman is to tease/play with her. It immediately shows that you're not intimidated by her, that you don't have her on a pedestal and that she's just a play thing to you.

Most guys who talk to her are trying to impress her by having deep, serious conversations, which shows that you view her as on your level or above and that you need her approval. The reality is that not only does it dull any attraction, it bores the fuck out of her. She doesn't care about your stamp collection or job in accounts.

What does get her feeling and giggling is teasing. The same way you're not intimidated and have the confidence to tease kids because you don't view them as on the same value level as you is the same way you should approach women. Play with them, get them laughing and they'll be like putty in your hands.

9 upvotesLinkedInTechSupport4 months ago

Thank god I can’t take anyone seriously, it’s taken me places (sometimes the wrong places).

87 upvotesIOTA6694 months ago

I owe my life to TRP . Thanks for talking sense into me and helping me be the best version of myself .

40 upvotesnew__vision4 months ago

Great post. Here's a definition of value:

Value can be anything that one person provides to another that improves that other person’s chance of survival or reproduction. And beyond that, value can include anything that offers another person good emotions, because in general, the things that trigger good emotions align with the things that improve odds of survival and reproduction.

- Owen Cook, Blueprint Decoded

All your definitions of value (external, internal, dominance, power, money, strong frame, meeting goals, lifting) increase odds of survival or reproduction.

I'm not touching on women's dual mating strategy here. They seek male value in two forms, lover and provider (genes and resources or "alpha" and "beta").

If TRP is about sexual strategy, then raising your value seems to be the ultimate sexual strategy, but you also need to make your value available.

As CainPrice pointed out, you don't have to actually be a man of value to provide short-term value in the form of good emotions. Your behavior is a massive indicator of your value.

Edit:

Your only “value” to a chick when you talk to her – is how you’re making her feel. - Source

This captures the "emotions" side of the first quote.

9 upvotesKing-in-the-making4 months ago

I like blueprint decoded, but the whole looks and assets don’t matter thing don’t matter to woman made me question it’s validity to a certain extent.

It’s probably good for those new to game, but detrimental in the long run.

11 upvotesTheGreatConst4 months ago

Your financial assets matter - they make you less attractive for short term hookups which is proven by multiple studies (some of them were posted here on TRP). Being wealthy means that a woman is more likely to consider you a potential husband and of course she would try to make you invest as much you can before agreeing to sex and will try not to be too slutty. If your value as a resources provider is bigger than your value than DNA provider then it could be detrimental to your success in getting laid fast. Your looks matter, but your style and muscles matter more than your face or height.

6 upvotesnew__vision4 months ago

Agreed. Looks and assets give survival and reproductive value. What Owen focuses on exclusively is offering value through your behavior, aka game.

7 upvotesKing-in-the-making4 months ago

Totally, his inner game content is GOLD too. Anyone looking for inner game should internalize Owens methods, even Julian’s.

43 upvotesCainPrice4 months ago

There's also a fourth category: Increasing your perceived value in a woman's eyes.

Don't discount that one if you're horny and want to get your rocks off tonight instead of after six months of weightlifting and banking another 50k.

If you dress richer than you are, show up at a bar with a group of friends that includes girls who aren't afraid to touch you, your friends act like you're amazing and hang on your every word but you're really just some average asshole, and your game is amazing and makes you come across as a confident guy who deals with women all the time and you just sort of expect women to go home with you as a given, you're not actually larger from lifting weights or more self-assured from all that stupid time you spent meditating. You're not actually any more valuable. But you still get laid.

43 upvotesiwviw4 months ago

I can see you’ve visited Miami before

19 upvotestyronethejabrone4 months ago

Having a personality and making people feel is real value, whether one is able to recognize it or not.

9 upvotesTheGreatConst4 months ago

Yeah. Real value women want is emotions you can give them. If you are able to make him feel strong emotions than any other value doesn't matter so much.

3 upvotescelincelin4 months ago

group of friends that includes girls who aren't afraid to touch you, your friends act like you're amazing and hang on your every word

You won’t have any of that unless you have value, genius.

1 upvotesCainPrice3 months ago

Yeah. I guess guys who are so low value that they don't even have any friends or their friends all shit on them are kind of invisible.

Guys like that are socially weird enough that they may be beyond The Red Pill's help. They're not guys who need to learn how to play the game better. They're incels who need to learn how to be a normal-looking, socially-normal human first.

8 upvotesMattyAnon4 months ago

Even long into the relationship, if it begins to fail, it will be because she started to lose respect for you and therefore the value disparity began to shrink. For men, respect is vastly more important than "love".

Absolutely this.

Commitment is a devaluing of the man and the increasing of the value of the woman - leading to longterm loss of respect. The deeper and more financially binding the commitment the bigger the value gap shrinkage, ultimately leading to value inversion and costly divorce.

Respect (in the form of your attractiveness, unreactivity and your options) is how you maintain a LTR. Women respond to VALUE, not to flowers, chocolates, beta commitment, money or words of devotion. Fairly obviously most of these things show commitment (which she likes) but reduce value (which kills her attraction).

Attraction and respect is king, you don't need to even acknowledge the meaning of the concept of love. In fact it's often better if you don't, because loving a woman contributes to value inversion.

1 upvotesMostSolidFrame3 months ago

Such great insight, thanks.

15 upvotestoxicmaleitis4 months ago

Trp is gold- it is true and i see it evident in every facet of my life after discovering the red pill, learning everyday and sustaining it on a daily basis..awesome post!

6 upvotesSKRedPill4 months ago

The higher your SMV, the less you need to try and the more natural you can be.

20 upvotesageofkeel4 months ago

Can this be sidebarred please? Probably clean it up a little bit but this is a great concept and I don't think it's been touched on before.

2 upvotesVynxe-Vainglory4 months ago

I second this. Viewing it all from this angle is powerful, indeed.

5 upvotesINNASKILLZ2K184 months ago

This is it, in a nutshell.

Everything must be a display of higher value. We must always sub communicate that we are higher status

The fact we have to relearn this, shows how much society has fucked up the minds of men.

We were always higher status, simply for being men.

3 upvotesWhiteGhosts4 months ago

i like this approach and i agree that lifting is important. but what i miss on trp is the advice for those who for whatever reason are unable to lift or have just began with lifting. if there would be some solid advice to those group of people, trp would be truly a helpful place, other than ...just lift...

4 upvotesINNASKILLZ2K184 months ago

If there was some great advice to those who can't lift, we would have given it a long time ago.

The advice to lift, is given for many many reasons. You can't really make up for it in some other way.

Hence, lift brother. If you don't lift, then get a gym membership and....start lifting.

1 upvotesWhiteGhosts4 months ago

No, but sometimes people are just unable to lift for whatever reason. The lack of flexibility TRP offers to those group is rather disappointing if anything... (I lift btw)

3 upvotesVisiblePlan4 months ago

The reason we advocate for lifting is that it does most of the work for you with women. A guy with avearge game but a six pack will fuck pretty regularly

2 upvotesWhiteGhosts4 months ago

Yeah I know it's benefits. I'm just saying that sometimes people can't lift for whatever reason

1 upvotesWingflier [OP]3 months ago

So for example, learning a martial art. Something Joe Rogan calls becoming a "nerd assassin". A lot of guys who are the introverted, overly-analytical types take very well to learning the moves and techniques necessary to become a badass. I recommend starting with something like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. No matter what you live there should be a gym nearby. It also helps you to make a lot of friends and get out of your comfort zone (in addition to getting fit).

Approaching women itself is a great way to get out of your comfort zone, respect and love yourself more, and to eventually guarantee success. I recommend Scott Jack's Magnetic Interaction series if you want the most easy and straightforward advice on this topic. He also has a Youtube channel.

Ultimately, my advice is to be creative. Nobody else can tell you what you want in order to find meaning, purpose, and success. The key is to get out of your comfort zone doing something that you love. The last part is critical. Find the thing you desire and pursue it with a burning passion that would make the Sun jealous. This will fundamentally change who you are.

3 upvotestb0n4 months ago

I love the concept that approaching simultaneously raises my value while lowering hers.

9 upvotesStandgrounding4 months ago

Lifting is one thing but guys don't forget your cardios, even if you are on the thinner side.

-9 upvotesTheGreatConst4 months ago

You should make more research into this. Most cardio exercises are more hurt than help you. Your heart is working on 100% all the time in any case, you can't make it "stronger" by doing cardio.

8 upvotesFINDTHESUN4 months ago

Whatever activity you do your body adapts and becomes better at it, so both are needed. Cardio is really good to improve general endurance. Both lifting heavy and cardio have their own place in your routine. Personally, not a fan of running on a treadmill, but I do quite a bit of rope skipping and find it great and effective.

4 upvotesTheGreatConst4 months ago

Long-distance running is one of the WORST exercises ever. It kills your heart and your knees in the long term. Cardio should be used only as a warm-up and it is definitely not something you need to specifically train.

3 upvotesFINDTHESUN4 months ago

Yes , I agree , but how much is too much?

3 upvotesStandgrounding4 months ago

It's not about that. It's about enhancing the bloodflow in all of the body, also working on legs so just do a little run sometimes. Also, people who do cardio typically are taller and look better

4 upvotesiwviw4 months ago

I’m clapping my hands and giving a standing O.good post

2 upvotesDeepProphet4 months ago

If this sub allowed gold, I would give it to you.

1 upvotesFedor-Gavnyukov4 months ago

As long as you are ruled by fear, you will never truly have your own respect.

this is the most and only key sentence here. everything else stems from that.

1 upvotes_A_L_3_X_4 months ago

In fact, the more you think about it, ALL of the most common and mainstream Red Pill mottos and philosophies boil down to creating a void of value between a man and the woman he's trying to fuck.

Very smart observation.

I still have to work especially on 2 & 3. Gotta start meditating.

3 upvotespm_me_tangibles4 months ago

Gotta start meditating

It's brutal at first, if you have an internet/videogame/social media-addicted mind. It's meant to feel like shit. Start with 10 min at a time and work up.

1 upvoteswisesw443 months ago

It's not that lifting is some ancient magical ceremony that guarantees success. In fact there are many different ways one could achieve a similar effect.

what are some of the other ways?

2 upvotesWingflier [OP]3 months ago

So for example, learning a martial art. Something Joe Rogan calls becoming a "nerd assassin". A lot of guys who are the introverted, overly-analytical types take very well to learning the moves and techniques necessary to become a badass. I recommend starting with something like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. No matter what you live there should be a gym nearby. It also helps you to make a lot of friends and get out of your comfort zone (in addition to getting fit).

Approaching women itself is a great way to get out of your comfort zone, respect and love yourself more, and to eventually guarantee success. I recommend Scott Jack's Magnetic Interaction series if you want the most easy and straightforward advice on this topic. He also has a Youtube channel.

Ultimately, my advice is to be creative. Nobody else can tell you what you want in order to find meaning, purpose, and success. The key is to get out of your comfort zone doing something that you love. The last part is critical. Find the thing you desire and pursue it with a burning passion that would make the Sun jealous. This will fundamentally change who you are.

1 upvotesbrother314shadow3 months ago

Really like how you said you have to desensitize yourself through action. Feeling new to this and new to game and I feel I’m working through this phase right now. Thank you.

0 upvotesDollyhead3 months ago

I disagree completely with all of this





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