Q4M: Why do you worry about all of the TRP stuff? If you follow the basic rules of getting lean, getting a career, and getting your shit together, you will be fine --- almost regardless of your personality.

Melonweed223 · 2019-06-27T18:57:04+00:00

yeah... what if you don't draw in any type of person?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-06-27T19:45:07+00:00

none of that part teaches how to be attractive to women, maintain attraction with women or get casual sex. thats just step one

you can have all your shit together and look great and be a pushover beta with no frame who gets withheld from and walked all over

you missed everything RP actually teaches

BaronIncognito · 2019-06-27T19:25:41+00:00

Disagree. I am a 6’1” attorney, never married no kids. Average physique, full head of hair. Face wise, I’d say 6 or 7.

I have always struggled with women. I attribute it to my personality. I joined EHarmony back when it was just starting to get big, back when you had to take a very lengthy personality test. I’ll never forget, it said I had a personality only 7% of women found attractive. I tried to find the report again a few years later and it was gone. Bad for business to be so honest, I suppose.

Nearly all my relationships are the same. After 5 or 6 dates I get told that “something is missing” or “I just aren’t attracted to you even though I want to be” or the old “it feels more like friends”

I am much more agreeable than dominant and I have a lack of confidence i attribute to being introspective to the point of hyper awareness of flaws.

Emervila · 2019-06-27T19:03:20+00:00

Just be yourself and you will attract the kind of girl who is right for you at that time in your life.

Just wait for the unicorn bus to come to you at that magic moment. In the meantime keep simping... Read yourself this you wrote and look yourself at the mirror while doing to be sure this is a truth. Sounds, smells and reads like a delusion. The blue-pill is extremely strong in you, like in the matrix some people just can't be unplugged, you made me remember that.

Here is what I find: your personality dictates the TYPE OF PERSON you draw in, not the attractiveness of the person you draw in.

You find but you forgot this: your personality does not dictate your looks and women want good looking men, the best possible. When they said they want 6ft+ men only there's no personality that matters to them about it but your actual body/looks, TRP just tells you how things are.

So get lean. Super lean. Down to maximum 8% bodyfat. You will shock yourself at how much different you look.

so it's not about personality but looks?

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-06-27T18:47:25+00:00

The basic rules of getting your shit together, working on your career AND getting lean is TRP stuff first and foremost.

Now I don’t think TRP claims exclusive ownership of that advice, but it’s certainly one of the only ideologies that explain WHY. I think the current message young men and women are receiving is very blank-slate-y. You don’t hear very many people make the claim that the genders are inherently different. Gender essentialism is banned on most feminist subs on reddit and you basically have to look for it specifically to find any sources backing it.

You hear lots of bloops say “lifting isn’t red pill, it’s just good general advice.” Which is incorrect. Lifting isn’t exclusive to red pill advice but it’s still red pill advice - just like prayer is Islamic advice but not exclusive to Islam.

Anyway, the key difference is explaining why. Getting advice to lose weight only means something if you explain why. Once you start debating with yourself why men should work to be more masculine, then you start to worry about “all the TRP stuff.”

DREADC0RSAIR · 2019-06-27T19:38:02+00:00

I don't know how many times i have to say this but MEN START OUT BLUE PILLED. Women red pill men. No guy dates a girl and expects her to monkey branch to a new guy, we don't expect them to cheat, we don't expect them to shit test and play games. Women do this all the time. I don't care you think women are wonderful, they are not. Sometimes they can be, but subconsciously they are still women.

The feminine imperative is attracting/attraction every lady acts like they are nicest catch in the world especially at first but it always changes. Do you know how many guys in marriages complain about how their wife flipped on him? Do you know how many young women leave good relationships with good men to go "experience more" and hop on CC?

I'm just tired of the same advice from women as if theirs a visual difference between them and the ones that fuck you over, you all act the same. We aren't red pilled because we can't get women, we are red pilled because being ourselves is never enough.

RP isn't only some guide to getting laid, if that were true it wouldn't be nearly as big as it is. TRP is the truth about female nature, as much as some hate to believe

[deleted] · 2019-06-27T20:02:39+00:00

Keep in mind that there's a lot of misinfo floating around. Women say stuff that discourages men from self-improvement like "I don't like muscles on guys", "be yourself!", etc. They do this because their subconscious HATES the idea of a man learning to be more charismatic because it doesn't want to risk pregnancy from a guy who is only pretending to be alpha.

If you have an athletic body and are well-dressed but still have your old mannerisms, women will sense that you're a false Chad and ramp up the shit tests.

The red pill and abundance mentality allows a man to emulate the attitude of a man who was always confident/athletic/handsome. It's otherwise very difficult to emulate a natural alpha who grew up getting privileges from female teachers, getting so much attention from girls he found it annoying at times, etc.

toysjoe · 2019-06-27T19:35:54+00:00

You will be fine....

in your role as a beta provider.

leftajar · 2019-06-27T23:35:56+00:00

The advice you're giving is generally effective advice, for any dating landscape at any point in history.

In that sense, yes -- it is effective. What it isn't, however, is complete, given what's currently happening.

The Western Man occupies a romantic landscape that has been massively, artificially distorted through hostile government policies. The traditional balance of power between the sexes has been utterly destroyed in favor of women. This necessitates that men harden themselves and play the game very differently.

In TradCon Society, being beta works. In Post-Modern Civilizational Death Spiral, being beta means you become a tax slave for women's interests. Even if you go full MGTOW, you'll be enslaved by the State to pay for single mothers you've never met.

The least TRP can do, is help us avoid getting directly divorced-raped by post-wall women, whom wouldn't even exist(!) if Government hadn't borked the incentives.

In a peaceful society, you can be peaceful. In a violent society, and we are in an electorally violent society, you don't have that luxury.

reluctantly_red · 2019-06-27T18:56:45+00:00

Get into shape, make money, and have a life. That's the basic RP message. Doesn't look like there's any disagreement.

Aaren_Augustine · 2019-06-27T18:47:44+00:00

I'm nuts so it's of no surprised I'm married to "stronger woman who likes to be needed and who will take care of you" expect it caused massive rifts in our marriage.

TRP helped me see the interaction, my place in it and then improve. That way, I can reach the normal, well adjusted dude I'd like to be. Six million less fights a year by doing so, btw.

My work ethic, ability to work and to be more mindful of how I get things done also improved greatly. And I am less of a tortured soul who isn't drunk most nights.

You're answer really boils down to someone telling you how not to be Bipolar by not doing all the bipolar shit you do. Go to work and get there on time, don't fight with your girlfriend when you feel like it, don't be paranoid, take a nap...which used to be impossible for me; don't know about you tho.

You won't change naturally. You gotta work at it.

giantfireplace · 2019-06-27T20:05:48+00:00

Personality and your demeanor matter a great deal. There are certain personality traits which make people better or worse partners. Agreeableness and consciousnesses matter.

As is matching up on "life values" with your partner. If you're some party drug doing "let's be chill 24/7" type guy who doesn't want kids your LTR options are going to be extremely limited.

So get lean. Super lean. Down to maximum 8% bodyfat.

LOL most guys will not get below 13-16% without drugs. They'll still look great, abs and all, but those single digit numbers are hilarious. Based on those shitty calipers and other garbage tools. I did a dunk tank once and with abs mostly visible I got 15%.

Pope_Lucious · 2019-06-27T20:48:36+00:00

How to Ramble: The Life of Borderline Male

jax006 · 2019-06-27T19:37:13+00:00

Getting lean and developing a bomb career are easy and I suspect there are plenty of incels who check those boxes. There is a bunch of explicit behavioral shit regarding women and sexual/romantic interactions with them on TRP that is especially helpful for us spergies

wtknight · 2019-06-27T18:49:54+00:00

RP believes that you will find a woman if you do all of these things... after she is done riding the CC. They believe that you have to do much more than what you describe to be her choice for casual sex, which is ultimately their goal, not relationship sex.

blackedoutfast · 2019-06-27T21:55:27+00:00

"getting your shit together" = TRP

there are a LOT of guys out there who already are lean and have a good job but still struggle because they don't know how to act towards women. your advice isn't going to help them, but TRP can.

TRP helps guys do better with women without falling into the beta bucks provider role that is the default programming for many/most of the ones who struggle with women in the modern western world.

TRP isn't really designed for garbage-tier obese unemployed NEET incel neckbeards living in their mom's basement. those guys could benefit from "get in shape and get a job" type advice, but they're probably just going to ignore it anyway. because, like you said, it's pretty obvious

angels-fan · 2019-06-27T18:52:45+00:00

Sure, each of the things that TRP proposes COULD be found if you scour the internet for weeks, and even then it will probably be couched in feminist friendly language.

TRP nicely packages all the shit you need to be a successful man, and it doesn't give a fuck if women find the delivery distasteful.

[deleted] · 2019-06-28T00:56:21+00:00

For sure OP, if you do all that you'll eventually get a girlfriend and, in all likelihood, get married and have kids.

However, if you arent RP aware, your wife will shit test you constantly, you'll probably become a schlub (happy wife happy life is a prevalent cultural meme for a reason), and your sex life will suck.

You also wont get laid as much as you would if you were RP aware, prior to the jaws of marriage closing in on you.

Just landing a relationship with a woman is not winning. Its the start of the game. Winning is when you get laid a lot and dont get complaints and problems and shit tests thrown at you 24/7

reeearnakedchoke · 2019-06-28T02:12:41+00:00

TRP teaches men how to act in certain ways to get certain women. I have a unique perspective in that I have BPD Type I and that a lot of the 'behaviors' that TRP instructs a man to engage in are behaviors I naturally emulate when in mania. But act completely different when I'm in other states of mind.

Here is what I find: your personality dictates the TYPE OF PERSON you draw in, not the attractiveness of the person you draw in.

Why do so many women here say just the opposite? That physically average men with masculine energy, confidence, charisma have made been able to 'punch up' because of those traits. Now would a hot man with those same traits do better, or a hot man without them even? Maybe, but I think personality is in the mix of the attractiveness of who someone attracts.

If you're a delusional or narcissistic asshole, you will draw in women with low self-esteem or very submissive women (often but not always similar).

If you're a tortured soul who can't take care of himself, you will draw in stronger women who like to be needed and who will 'take care of you' as a fixer upper project.

If you're a normal, well-adjusted guy who is nice, you'll get normal well-adjusted, nice women. TRP thinks being nice is bad or something...women like nice guys -- love them! --- IF THEY ARE PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to them.

That's a lot of words that don't say how hot the women are, and there's no shortage of women crying on the internet about having been played by a suave guy, or lost themselves taking care of a fixer upper, or just being bored with their normal guy.

Just be yourself and you will attract the kind of girl who is right for you at that time in your life.

The qualities that TRP teaches matter in a woman --- looks, youth --- are qualities you obtain via your own superficial attractiveness.

The only quality that TRP teaches that is, in my opinion, useful is the will to win and persevere and never stop trying. Embrace the journey you're on in life.

Agree except on your attractiveness being the sole component, and the 'just be yourself' part if that means spewing the stick up your ass about women all the time stuff.

What to work on:

It's well known in the literature that the number one or at least tied for number one quality that effects facial attractiveness is facial adiposity --- i.e. facial fat. Not masculinity and not even symmetry.

So get lean. Super lean. Down to maximum 8% bodyfat. You will shock yourself at how much different you look.

In order not to look sickly, build some muscle. Just enough to not look frail. Shoot for an FFMI of around 22-23. If you can get to 24-26, you'll have no more problems attracting women.

Plenty of big farm boys with a cute little country gal on their arm. This is like that thread yesterday with WHR for women, sometimes some fat makes a man look 100x more masculine. Men need to research what type of body they have and if they want to go down the path that maximizes that body types attractiveness, or not give a shit.

Pick a uniform. Wear a suit everyday. Rock edgy bad boy clothes everyday. Wear glasses and nerd out everyday. Whoever you are, it should be readily identifiable by the clothes you wear and the style you adopt.

Why? When you say 'whoever you are' is that a call for those men to look around them, really look at themselves and pick something that makes sense? if not this sounds like a recipe for short indian dudes walking around in 2000's emo clothes or something. There's something to be said for not giving a fuck, but more for finding something that suits your body and your environment.

If you want younger/hotter women, do those things. Stop worrying about your behavior so much and trying to change it. Your behavior will change naturally as a result of your superficial qualities changing and the attention you receive changing.

For most of the struggling men's comments I see here, they could find themselves some weird little girlfriend who's just like them if they changed their personality and nothing else. Weird girls who are smoking under their frumpy walmart outfits and don't know it are a dime a dozen.

Feministmalesaregay · 2019-06-28T02:24:56+00:00

Getting a girl is not the hard part (still hard for a lot of guys).

Rather keeping the girl and especially how to handle a relationship is so much harder and is where most guys fail.

ohheyhi99 · 2019-06-27T19:16:30+00:00

I’m not RP, but when RPers aren’t paranoid, they have some good advice on:

Treating women like fallible people instead of putting them on a pedestal as the “fairer sex.”
Not letting certain kinds of women walk over you.
Not feeling guilty for being born a cis male.
Knowing how to interpret the misleading dating advice that some women give men.

Those are major.

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rus9384 · 2019-06-27T19:51:16+00:00

None of this except a lot of gym exercise or literally being a millionaire or a star will put a man much closer to uncommited sex.

As a side note, did you mean you have NPD type I?

statusincorporated · 2019-06-27T21:49:36+00:00

Not sure why people are upvoting this post when there are so many fallacies in it

1)

your personality dictates the TYPE OF PERSON you draw in, not the attractiveness of the person you draw in.

Yeah but some personalities are objectively more attractive than others, and therefore can obtain more attractive partners. If a guy is an 8 but has low self esteem and is insecure as fuck, he will not be able to date a woman who's also an 8, even if she is "strong and wants to be needed". Conversely, if you're a 6/10 "narcissistic asshole", you will be able to score a girl higher than 7

2)

TRP thinks being nice is bad or something...women like nice guys -- love them! --- IF THEY ARE PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to them

And guess what, being too nice makes them less physically attracted to you

3)

Just be yourself and you will attract the kind of girl who is right for you at that time in your life.

Attracting women without putting in any effort works for like 5% of men. The rest either need TRP, or need to approach and get rejected a lot

4)

It's well known in the literature that the number one or at least tied for number one quality that effects facial attractiveness is facial adiposity --- i.e. facial fat. Not masculinity and not even symmetry

According to this bizarre statement, this incel has an attractive face, considering he has low facial fat.

SadDoggo45 · 2019-06-28T23:19:59+00:00

Because I was raised as a white knight, it made sense that if you shower women with compliments that they would reply in the same manner.

It took few shitty PUA books to bring me to normal (not to make me successful with women, but to make me not despised by women).

statusincorporated · 2019-06-27T18:52:03+00:00

****This strategy gets you in the door. The behavioral stuff impacts whether you're going to have a nice time of it or not. The people drawn in to redpill (and many men generally) seem to have a very difficult time with enforcing boundaries or even knowing what boundaries are appropriate.

Much of this stems from a "go along get along" mentality...as I've commented before, most women end up "redpilled" in a sense about the dark side of male nature, whether from direct experience early on or from society's/family's warnings, but the reverse tends very much to not be the case.

Men are very rarely warned about the dark side of female nature, and tend to gain the experience at a slower pace (since you have to be more invested/close to a woman before you get to see it), and this means that even when they see it they may initially write it off as a one-off situation that couldn't possibly ever happen again, or they blame their own conduct, because women are wonderful :), because that's what society says!

Anyway, what you've said, that's the toolbox, but you can end up doing all that and having a baaaad time without a healthy sense of cynicism that, yes, hashtag

women are people too

and situations may indeed arise where they act in their own self-interest at a man's expense.

You would be surprised how many men let their horniness blind them to this basic fact.

CainPrice · 2019-06-27T20:26:58+00:00

Sure, if you look decent, have a good job, and a decent personality, you can have some sex some of the time and probably find a girlfriend.

But some guys don't want to beg for scraps and take whatever comes and be grateful to the women who deign to choose them. They don't want to be under the power of women, with their sex lives subject to the whims of some girl.

If you want power over women and control over your sex life, you need to have options. You need to have multiple women willing to have casual sex with you, so that no one woman is special. In fact, you want them to all be pretty much interchangeable. That way, if one particular woman is being difficult, you just shrug and fuck someone else instead of having to dedicate time and energy into fixing your relationship with her.

If you want that kind of power over women, instead of being under women's power with your sex life controlled by the one woman who happened to pick you for now, you have to be hot enough and have tight enough game to get multiple casual partners with some reliability. To do that, you can't just be some average not fat shlub with a job.

sadomasochrist · 2019-06-27T20:01:03+00:00

You : Every guy that got their shit together, before they got a wife and learned what's up for real when they had everything on the line.

It's well known in the literature that the number one or at least tied for number one quality that effects facial attractiveness is facial adiposity --- i.e. facial fat. Not masculinity and not even symmetry.

So you want to dig into the literature and ignore the parts that are inconvenient?

Positive correlations to arrogance, narcissism, negative to nurturing and intelligence?

You want to frame this as strictly physical, sour grapes?

Bullshit, literature supports women are not aroused by kind men. Period. That is not masculine.

Nearly the entirety of notes exchanged my men confirms this.

Showing me you're either outrageously good looking and clueless otherwise (blue pill alpha male) or mentally masterbating\virgin (or a woman).

If you're an 8, mack on a 6 with a husband and note your success rate. That's a real red pill.

And to be clear, your type lands on our doorstep often as well, usually after your first marriage when you don't get to just "oh well" it. When you have to actually confront the issue men are dealing with, the fact that women operate covertly and without self awareness. When they try to solve an issue that is much more complex than "be attractive."

The only quality that TRP teaches that is, in my opinion, useful is the will to win and persevere and never stop trying. Embrace the journey you're on in life.

No, one of the primary messages of TRP is "she's not yours." Which if you're 25 and dating is good advice. If you're 30 with some kids and a marriage, is a big deal.

"Yeah yeah yeah, no big deal just get a divorce etc."

Again, same thing a lot of guys thought too and then they got put through the ringer. Accused of fake DV etc. Not to mention playing your best single mother as a single father, gak.

If you're a normal, well-adjusted guy who is nice, you'll get normal well-adjusted, nice women. TRP thinks being nice is bad or something...women like nice guys -- love them! --- IF THEY ARE PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to them.

AWALT. Women exist as states. All you're observing are women that (maybe, if they're not hiding it already) haven't yet become "uninhibited."

Again, this is all fine and dandy but this has 25 year old\childfree written all over it. Understand a large part of TRP's audience are men who were commitment minded who found a unicorn who showed him what is really up.

So these men are grappling with how to deal with this new found knowledge, this worst case scenario.

We have a name for your type.

Plowhorse.

Just work harder.

Well guess what. That only works in an ideal sense. You can be shredded, make six figures, take no shit and if she feels like it, she'll fuck a fat accountant who is soft just to spite you in her own mind. Trade you out for someone who you think is less etc.

There's a reason why the divorce rate approaches nearly 50% and only 25% of marriages are consistently happy.

Failure is a feature, not a flaw of relationships courtesy of evolution itself.

Your advice is prudent for mate competition but doesn't address the actual gripe men have and why TRP exists. It exists because when men see problems they assume there is a solution.

The solution to "how do I find a woman who will be loyal to marry and have a family with" doesn't exist. It's just a dice roll.

So TRP exists to coach men to understand what that nearest neighbor solution might be since an actual solution doesn't exist. It's something like "love what she brings you" etc.

The arrogance and naivety in this post despite your success is staggering.

statusincorporated · 2019-06-27T19:19:12+00:00

You are way too bossy on that. It is not that women have to sleep with a male, simply because males tend to get less sex than females, it is that the red pill says that women are more and more often not having enough of what a guy can provide them with and in return... pussy. Sure, getting a life, brains, a body and a career is something that is attractive to most women, but is it enough for a woman to stay with that man for her entire life and treat him like a king, whilst he, treats her like a queen?
The red pill is arguing that it is impossible, though i think it is. Nevertheless, would you achieve success in your life, invest your time, your money, your good mood and everything else into a person, that can leave you the next day and also take with it the stuff you worked hard to achieve?
On a more realistic and even ~~"mysogynistic"~~ note, a womans worth is declining after 20-23 years of age, a male worth at that point is either miserable, or still going on and will hit somewhere around 35 its peak. These two ages, in which the female and male accordingly will peak, are the most suitable ages to start a family. The female enjoys all of the fruits of her male's success and her male enjoys her youth. Then go the babies and everybody is happy(on theory). But, that is just an ideal scenario.
Bitter people should try to be less bitter, but that is achieved through achieving success in their lives. That way their biterness will be swayed by their success. But whether a top female and a top male come together to spend the rest of their days together, is a question, time should answer.

grandmapurp · 2019-06-27T19:29:13+00:00

TRP teaches men how to act in certain ways to get certain women.

TRP theoretically teaches men what women respond to in general, which men can then use to get whatever type of woman they want. The principles are the same.

Here is what I find: your personality dictates the TYPE OF PERSON you draw in, not the attractiveness of the person you draw in.

That's backwards though. A man shouldn't be sitting back and waiting for his natural self to "draw in" a woman. He should be approaching and pursuing women.

If you're a tortured soul who can't take care of himself, you will draw in stronger women who like to be needed and who will 'take care of you' as a fixer upper project.

Not in my experience. You generally attract other tortured souls.

Just be yourself and you will attract the kind of girl who is right for you at that time in your life.

So basically "know your place" and "stay in your lane"? Never try to improve yourself? Just settle for whoever is naturally attracted to you without putting in any effort?

[deleted] · 2019-06-27T19:35:36+00:00

I think you just basically said "don't worry about TRP" and then said to do most of the things TRP says to do. That said, I do agree with you on this point

TRP thinks being nice is bad or something...women like nice guys -- love them!

TRP got too focused on being some sort of chad asshole. I think "Chad" can be a nice guy too. Yes you need to be confident and strong but that doesn't mean you can't be nice. I'll admit, for a while I was acting like a dick to people just to be more "alpha". I'm trying to be confident and nice now and it seems to be the best way to go.

robertfrostt · 2019-06-27T20:00:25+00:00

Just be yourself and you will attract the kind of girl who is right for you at that time in your life.

I think this is where the disconnect is.

Men might be naturally lazy, unconfident, and fearful to sexually escalate. They might be fat, out of shape, or a boring person. This might not match up with the kind of woman they would get without any effort.

dawnpriestess · 2019-06-27T20:41:45+00:00

What you are describing is the black pill.

Bronzehawkattack · 2019-06-27T21:23:29+00:00

I always read these posts that say "Be yourself and you'll get the right person eventually" as "Eventually you'll be able to be betabuxx like the little cuck you are".

I don't agree with TRP advice in the first place, but Blue pill advice is even more retarded.

PM_ME_UR_1ITIS_SNAP · 2019-06-27T21:30:38+00:00

Eight percent body fat takes a ridiculous amount of will power and effort. Congratulations for being so fit this is considered easy enough to give as passing advice.

That being said, I'm not on TRP for women per se, I'm on TRP to develop the insane amount of confidence that men who are successful with women have.

I actually agree with all of your advice, but without philosophical readings on what it means to be a man, and the "have irrational self confidence" shit, I'd be a ball of crippling anxiety. I have a friend that could definitely benefit from TRP despite me knowing there's no way in hell he's going to pull if he uses it.

In conclusion, I need to believe in some aspects of the Pill because it helps me develop confidence, which is my ultimate goal.

ZealousidealIce2 · 2019-06-27T21:50:27+00:00

I don't doubt your mental illness but you have little insight into its effect. People with mania aren't just grandiose, or have flight of ideas. They are downright frightening. They won't sleep, make random gestures and are in no way attractive to most people. When these people come in such a state, people are generally afraid -- not attractive. You claim to be type I BPAD so you should know how frightening it is to your loved ones in a manic state. You may get laid, but it's hardly a sexually appealing state for the potential partners.

You also make it sound like 8% body fat is easy! It's having amazing abs and requires a diet discipline that is far beyond most people. No cheat meals in months -- rigid workouts etc.. You should have sympathy for how hard this is to maintain. Think about patients that require atypical antipsychotics and the weight they put on.

2stoned0jaguar9tre · 2019-06-27T23:17:17+00:00

No, the guy will be a sitting duck to the evils women can do to a man.

rasmelo · 2019-06-27T23:44:16+00:00

You get what you give in life. If you change your superficial qualities, you will receive more superficial relationships. I agree.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-06-28T00:52:27+00:00

I dunno, I'm kinda unsure about if you're weak, these "strong women will take care of you" part.

I certainly understand the much overlooked complementary characters that create a match, but things aren't exactly so black and white.

rathyAro · 2019-06-28T01:52:57+00:00

You missed the whole part about beta bucks and "divorce rape".

firewatchersdaughter · 2019-06-28T02:26:29+00:00

You:

Rock edgy bad boy clothes everyday

Also you:

TRP thinks being nice is bad or something...women like nice guys -- love them!

I-wanna-GO-FAST · 2019-06-28T02:33:34+00:00

you will be fine

What is "fine"?

Tiger Woods is fit, attractive, and rich. Look what happened to his marriage. Sure, you could say he still has plenty of options, and he'll be "fine", but fine isn't good enough for everyone.

Some people want to completely understand how attraction works and be masters of seduction and relationships. You can go ahead and think that most of things said on TRP are stupid and wrong, but becoming a master of relationships is the goal that people are discussing how to work toward there, and it's probably the largest and well known forum on that topic.

MGTOWThrowaway777 · 2019-06-28T02:36:36+00:00

I dated someone like you, and it was hell. Total hell. I’m 1000% done with this superficial dating market. The worst thing someone could possibly do is actually succeed as you’ve said. I want love that’s actually built on something substantial which is impossible, so I choose MGTOW. I’m pretty misanthropic on this. People are pretty horrible. How awful would it be for someone to fall in love with you based on looks that no matter what will fade? The girl I dated had VERY specific requirements and specifications I had to meet in order to keep her or she would leave. She would send me pictures of male Instagram models and told me I needed to look like them. I was a piece of meat. I’m pretty sure she only stayed with me as long as she did because I’m stable finance. I later started dating someone else who seemed sweet, but when it came down to it, traded up to a better option. I hate this game, and I’m MGTOW all the way. TRP has helped me learn to just live and be a masculine man without any requirements imposed by women. I love cycling. I bike every day, and although I don’t meet your maximum specification of 8% body fat, I’m happy with where I sit around 12%. I excercise to feel good, not win over a hedonist. I don’t enjoy lifting, so I’m not the muscular instagram model that my old girlfriend required me to be. Don’t even know what FFMI is, but I’m sure I don’t meet your specs for that data sheet parameter either.. good luck finding your nice but edgy lean and bulky man with a put together life and job.

[deleted] · 2019-06-28T04:25:34+00:00

Lmao so naive

shonenhikada · 2019-06-28T09:45:11+00:00

Already clear by OP response that he is a feminist, blue pill beta male.

hentaipolice · 2019-06-28T17:53:21+00:00

This is a nice thought, but in my experience totally incorrect. I think I have the basics down already (I'm active and I make decent money, just bought a condo in LA) and I can't get a date to save my life. You need to have a lot more than the basics to get a woman these days, and those who aren't genetically gifted on top of being fit and well off financially will still struggle.

TRP helps answer the question as to why this is happening, and instead of having blind hope it helps me accept the cruel truths so that I can deal with them. Without TRP, I'd probably still believe that there's someone out there for me, and would get pretty depressed later on in life when I find out I'll be alone. Now I can prepare accordingly and live my life as best I can.

Cyclone619y2j · 2019-06-29T22:57:47+00:00

Because being sexually attractive is important as a man. You want women to sexually desire you, not just see you as a provider?

Xemnas81 · 2019-07-14T03:14:41+00:00

Chads get raped and harassed
The law does not give men handsome-passes the way it gives young attractive women pussy-passes for crocodile tears (or just authentic tears from fear and immaturity.) A false allegation is a false allegation. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorn'd.

There are some kooky extrapolations from RP theory, but the basic idea of holding frame (boundaries) with a woman and walking to signify refusal to accommodate intolerant behaviour is not something questionable if you want to avoid situations like this.

I really struggle to see how a focus on exclusive PUA-oriented results is 'redpilled' in the slightest. PUA predates RP by decades