70% of men aged 20-34 aren't married. 50% never will

popthatpill · 2015-03-10T12:24:13+00:00

The problem is very simple: women don't want to get married in their 20s because the carousel is too much fun. Women only want to get married when they see their SMV declining and they want to lock in the best prospect they can before their SMV declines much further. So it doesn't matter how marriageable 20-something men are: women of appropriate age simply aren't interested in getting married and forgoing the fun of the carousel. Marriage is dead for 20-somethings because women simply aren't interested.

Men, however, have gradually started asking themselves: why should I be the backup plan for some used-up ex-slut who didn't get what she really wanted? Why should I pay for used goods that used to be given away free when they were new? Not to mention how the law encourages divorce assraping. So, not surprisingly, men are declining marriage altogether.

So, if marriage is dying, it's dying in the 20s because of women (not interested because carousel), and dying in the 30s because of men (not interested because AFBB and divorce).

Magnum256 · 2015-03-10T08:44:33+00:00

Disagree with your statement about women becoming lonely and unable to get married. Women can go into survival mode if they're desperate, they can temporarily become submissive and hyper sexual and find a lonely beta who will think she's "the one" after she gives him a blowjob. Once the marriage happens she'll just go 180 back to her original self and know that she has the law and social system on her side and will basically be set.

AnotherLostCause · 2015-03-10T05:35:57+00:00

Couldnt have anything to do with a shortage of women who are worthy of marriage.

Locastor · 2015-03-10T06:15:08+00:00

The entitlement and shaming language apparent in the quotes is just hilariously off-base (as usual):

“It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”

Interesting how this could easily be applied to the hamsters who are literally eating shit for $20k/weekend, but Janice Shaw Crouse knows where the blame lies:

“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”

Literal BP lies in that last line, too. I know I'm not alone in this sub when I say I was taught that flowers and dinner and being respectful was the appropriate way to date women, and it led to years of frustration before the manosphere taught me it was actually coffee and cheeky banter and fucking her like a worthless whore that women actually find exciting in a man.

GREF_ · 2015-03-10T10:15:40+00:00

You could be running a hundred orphanages, schools and businesses, but you'd still be considered "immature" and "adolescent" because you refuse to entertain the idea of rings and diapers.

Immature = whatever women don't like.

NevrEndr · 2015-03-10T15:59:46+00:00

Its hilarious to me that one of the main reasons for getting married is financial stability. Stability for who? The woman of course.

Financial stability is the reason men should NOT get married.

Source: am married

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Silas_Caliburn · 2015-03-10T15:23:43+00:00

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Overkillengine · 2015-03-10T09:33:40+00:00

many live in a state of “perpetual adolescence”

Funny how it's alway a female writer that make these kind of conclusion. There is absolutely no self questioning and that's a childish behavior.

up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. “And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands.

That's a situation feminist created themselves. It's a bit easy to blame men for something you've been striking for.

I find that men in the comments are more and more redpilled when it come to this kind of stuff. That's a good evolution. What's worrisome is that the law is evolving to deal with this lack of marriage. There are cases in some countries (Read that about Canada some time ago if anyone can confirm or contest) where living with a woman for a certain amount of time will be assimilated as a marriage. So once you get separated she can ask for alimony and a part of your assets.

vakerr · 2015-03-10T06:08:01+00:00

I love how the article blames men for not taking responsibility and self sufficiency. She also assumes that this means marriage. Lol. We are doing just fine lady, without your Bullshit

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Shooter-Mcgavinn · 2015-03-10T14:18:58+00:00

Favorite comment from the comment section:

here's a piece of advice for the guys. No hymen no diamond.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T14:05:16+00:00

Seventy percent of American females between the ages of 20 and 34 are not in looksmatched long-term relationships, and many live in a state of “perpetual sluttery” with ominous consequences for the nation’s future, says Janet Shawl Krauss, author of “Modesty Matters.”

“Far too many young women have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and motherhood,” Krauss, the former executive director of the Beverly LaGaye Institute, wrote in a recent Washington Times oped.

Imrockbottom · 2015-03-10T14:28:27+00:00

If men won't sign up for the suicide mission, the state will conscript them. Don't celebrate yet gentlemen. It's a cold world, bring a bomber jacket.

slashd · 2015-03-10T14:55:35+00:00

her beta husband who she never truly loved

Kinda reminds me of Titanic where Alpha Widow Rose dies and joins Jack on the Titanic instead of her husband who she has children and grandchildren with.

rockumsockumrobots · 2015-03-10T06:46:24+00:00

I saw a comment on one of these articles saying:

"It doesn't matter whether you marry or not. Women can still have kids out of wedlock and you will pay for them through taxes and state programs."

This raises an interesting point. It's far less damaging and expensive than marriage, but it can still cause insane taxes like Canada (50% of your income), at the very least, and at worst bankrupt a country leading to massive unemployment and dragging down your quality of life/investments/real estate value. etc.

I think I will travel and make connections in other countries. If things get bad enough, I will just divorce the state.

bloodshot_eyes · 2015-03-10T18:17:49+00:00

“And it’s doubly terrible because the colleges now are predominantly female. So you have some – up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. And almost all of them are more than 50 percent female. And so the ratio [of] male/female is out of sync.

“And that means the girls have to live by the guys’ demands. And that means less romance. They don’t date. The girls, I have talked to numerous young women, lament the fact that they don’t have the opportunity to dress up and go out for an event.”

These two paragraphs are really telling. First, it is clear that the author believes that only college-educated men are worthwhile. In other words, a prerequisite for any social interaction with a woman should be a college degree. Hypergamy in action.

Also, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, these "numerous young women" still believe that it is the duty of men to provide them with "events". Once again, the passive female, expecting a strong yet loyal male to be bewitched by her beauty and engage in an outrageous campaign of extravagant gestures to "win her love". Life is not a rom-com, ladies.

Slut culture demonstrates the complete lack of imagination of women. When placed into an environment where she must win his affections, her only notion is to open her legs.

raceAround126 · 2015-03-10T18:27:06+00:00

When articles like this come up, it sends chills down my spine. I was locked in to a 10 year relationship, 8 years sexless. Utterly sexless. The biggest case of dead bedroom you ever saw. Any time I complained I was shamed from all angles even, finally, by my own Mother whom I haven't spoken to since January '14.

If I'd had given in and married her, I have no idea what hellish mess I would be in now. I think I probably would have ended up diving off a tall building and shaking Death's hand on the way down!

I reacted like a firework at the end, escaped with most of my finances (we were not married) and have lived the successful single bachelors existence ever since.

While I can accept that my relationship was utterly toxic and possibly unusually so, there is just no way I could trust another woman at all. Not even slightly. Even at the prospect of cohabiting I would move the fuck on.

Women just are not worth it. Fuck any girl that's up for it and leave it at that. Women wanted their big fancy successful careers? Then bravo, you now get paid more than men. You don't need men to make you happy? Don't worry, we're not coming back!

lemonparty · 2015-03-11T03:41:31+00:00

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VeryEuropean · 2015-03-10T14:54:49+00:00

Alright I have a question. I'm still a bit of a red pill novice so please don't be to hard on me but then again I have taken the pill so be as hard as you can.

Anyway, most people here are against marriage and I can see why but what should the modern men do if he wants to have children someday?

DogePerformance · 2015-03-10T05:07:34+00:00

50% never married seems high

HeinousFu_kery · 2015-03-10T12:45:52+00:00

They'll be left helpless as they watch their looks fade, the attention they used to receive dwindle to trickle, as they pop anti-anxiety and antidepressants down their pelican gullets while reminiscing about their golden days and finally coming to terms that they are nothing more than a shell of their former self.

The solution seems simple. Find women who don't depend on their looks and who are responsible for their own lives and their own states of mind. Hint: they won't be the hootchie chicks you're looking at in bars; they'll be the ones who are out kicking ass at something else. They're worth finding.

KissTheBridesmaid · 2015-03-10T14:26:14+00:00

The article touches on the real issue several times, almost accidentally, but still does not show a true understanding why men are opting out not just of marriage but out of education and the general lifestyle required for matrimony. Still, these are the first signs that the Misandry bubble is floating dangerously close to a sharp object.

Edit: And yet, auto-correct is still underlining the word misandry...

Upvote_To_The_Left · 2015-03-10T17:53:06+00:00

it seems to me that the biggest thing stopping guys from marrying women is the fact that women in their 20s are just no longer interested in marrying guys. with feminism and the "you go girl!" mentality women see men as just toys and distractions instead of possible husbands. I think a ton of men like myself simply find it EXTREMELY frustrating to meet and talk to women today. I live in New York. the dating mecca of western society in a lot of ways. and I will say this.

Unless you have a heart as cold as winter, as black as tar, and as hard as stone, you will get fucking destroyed by women. seriously, i have seen so many "nice" well mannered, good normal guys get emotionally fucked by women who would otherwise be in their league. I am talking about the rejections, the games, the flakes, the cheating, the disrespect, etc etc

the traditional ways of courtship simply dont work for guys anymore, chivalry is disgusting to women today, so is honer and honest. they fucking loath it. Probably because these traits allow one to show weakness, and women are disgusted by weakness.

That's not to say guys are good and women are bad. But the traditional lessons that guys have learned about courting women are blowing up in their faces, and in tern it's creating a ton of guys who are simply fed up and would rather fuck a few random chicks then try to chase a potential wife. and thats not even going into how the judicial system will fuck a guy over in case of divorce.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T17:13:49+00:00

"Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past."

hahahahaha

fadetoblack1004 · 2015-03-10T05:31:19+00:00

I'm 28, married. Of my core group of about 15 guy friends I hang out with on a regular basis, all within 2 years of me age-wise, one other guy is married. The rest are either single or in long term relationships, split about 75/25 towards single. None are engaged. I think guys are certainly being far more careful about who they marry in this day and age, but I'm expecting most of them to settle down over the next 5-7 years and get married. There's a few who won't, but most will. I think the 25% number mentioned in the article is about right.

American society, as a whole, is moving more towards less formal relationships and parenthood options. It's interesting, the current generation of twenty-somethings seems less oriented towards serious relationships than other generations, and I don't think it's because of external societal pressures, but more so a result of financial prudence.

FaustoRMD · 2015-03-10T11:13:34+00:00

The elites are destroying the family: they are winning. You thing the marriage laws, the feminist movement and the almost no revelance of paternity has for the judges is casuality?

They are winning. The elites known the nature of women. They want us divided, dependents of the state. Marriage is the foundation of a strong society. Family is everything, and they want to destroy it.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T21:12:45+00:00

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency

On the contrary, I think. Many men have their own jobs and pay their own bills, they just don't feel like throwing it all away to get balls deep in a relationship which is rigged against them.

They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation

Men are considered disposable. Cannon fodder. If a man is having a dire moment in his life, maybe even homeless, living off welfare and food stamps, people say all kinds of shit about and to him. Why would he give two shits about culture, society and the strength of the nation, when all of those things are ready to crucify him the moment he slips up?

Personally, I've never had any sense of community in any group I was part of IRL. I knew that if things got rough, nobody would care, they would pretend to feel sorry and not lift a finger to help me, like everyone does towards the less fortunate. I feel pretty much the same towards society. Aside from family (parents and brother, in my case), hardly a handful of people will come to my aid if I need.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T15:32:03+00:00

70% of them are smarter than i was =(

ivebeencaught · 2015-03-10T19:04:31+00:00

Here is the summary of AWALT that you will need, from the comments. I wish every beta orbiter could hear this.

One female friend offered me this advice: "All you have to offer a woman is love, and she can get that from her dog without having to date a man who is so repulsive."

Repulsive, that is what they see you as.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T13:22:06+00:00

I love this.

I know there are a ton of reasons why the marriage rate is low. Some of it is a fair amount of guys that are just plain not up to snuff. They tend to be sloppy, under-employed, home bound, and and frankly not really men.

Then you have the career woman who either 1)wont go on dates or 2) has such a high standard that they will never find any man because none exist. Or they know deep down they really want a man that will get them those tingles- make them feel sexy and awesome. Instead, they find men that will bend over backwards to please them and come out weak.

A single female I know, late 20s. She said that she will go out with any guy that will ask her on a date. But she rarely goes on a second date. No tingles. These are employed well educated men she goes out with. She just can't see herself falling in love with these dudes. My guess is she will find some beta guy in the next few years and convince herself it works.

I look back (15 years or so now) to some high school friends. Guys that are not exactly cream of the crop when it comes to education and employment. BUT they have jobs, a real strong work ethic, they are at least quasi alpha- and they get married to 6/7's who will work hard as a housewife. These are they guys you see driving a big truck, working hard everyday, and always seem to have a decent chick sitting on their lap. These are the guys that will continue to populate the US.

Then there are the guys who smarten up. They see their buddies get married, get fat, keep the same shit job, take no risks, have no money, and live in a perpetual state of unhappiness. While they are banging hot chicks, making money, and living a fulfilling life.

My guess is a fair amount of guys will hit their mid 40's/early 50's and find a younger chick to settle down with. You will see a lot more silver foxes driving their kids to school in their real nice car. Their wives wearing workout gear everyday and keeping it real. So this stat just shows a delay in marriage that is a cultural fix to the shit way men feel about LTR's. It will right itself.

Meanwhile, women, especially lower income women, will continue to get knocked up early and live miserably until they learn about condoms and effective delayed gratification.

2015-03-10T06:27:40+00:00

As much as I hate shutting you guys down, there is already a thread above this one referencing the same article. Contribute there, we aren't concerned with fake internet points.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T06:44:42+00:00

The comments are awesome. Good job guys!

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T17:57:12+00:00

This makes me happy inside.

kevkos · 2015-03-10T15:30:18+00:00

If 50% of men will never get married, It would imply that 50% of women will also never get married, right?

masturbator9000 · 2015-03-10T21:47:44+00:00

I remember back a year or two when I was still fantasizing about what it would be like to finally find 'the one', get married, settle down, have kids and all that stuff. Bluepill times, obviously.

Now I honestly can't even imagine living with a woman because of all the stuff I notice about them now that I were seemingly invisible to me before. How easy it is to get screwed over for half your shit, completely without fault even. In a society in which a woman can cheat on her husband and still walk away with ridiculously high amounts of alimony and possibly even child support, I see not a single reason to get married in today's day and age. I don't hate women, but I can't put everything I've worked for on the line, hoping that nothing goes wrong along the way.

My only regret is that I won't get to have my own kids, but I guess I was never entitled to 'my' kids anyway. At least not with the reproductive rights we men currently have.

kick6 · 2015-03-11T15:02:48+00:00

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency

Self-sufficiency...typified by taking care of yourself which is, you know, inherit in the name.

roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood

Oh, nope. Self-sufficiency is actually about financing a woman and her "have it all" aspirations of progeny.

The high percentage of bachelors means bleak prospects for millions of young women who dream about a wedding day that may never come. “It’s very, very depressing,” Crouse told CNSNews.com. “They’re not understanding how important it is for the culture, for society, for the strength of the nation to have strong families.”

No, they fully understand that the world wants them to sacrifice for women, and that the legal climate is staunchly opposed to "strong families."

These "experts" are so fucking wide of the mark, it's almost impressive.

shifty4321 · 2015-03-11T18:03:29+00:00

Did anyone else notice that she effectively blamed MEN for all the woes.. and for being the cause of the "hook-up" culture?

She just simply ignores 2nd and 3rd wave feminism in their entirety.

DRMMR76 · 2015-03-12T09:30:09+00:00

The author spoke a very real truth, probably without even realizing it. Women want a wedding day not a marriage. An entire day devoted to just them, where they can wear a princess dress and have all of their friends and family tell them how beautiful and amazing they are, with the weeks and months building up to it where they can spend someone else's money on catering, flowers, and other meaningless adornments purely in the pursuit of their own narcissism.

All women love the idea of getting married. Most hate the idea of being married, at least until that's all they have left after their looks have faded.

[deleted] · 2015-03-10T06:14:36+00:00

Repost. Redirect convo to the thread above this one referencing same article.

New_Horiz0ns · 2015-03-10T08:59:01+00:00

Yeah don't get married. But enough with the bitter speech. Quit fueling the negative emotions towards women. It is what it is.

Sherlock--Holmes · 2015-03-10T14:32:00+00:00

The non-mobile link: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

Shadoscuro · 2015-03-10T14:35:27+00:00

That second part hit a little close to home. I always said my mom was trying to live through my sister and that she seemed like the favorite. No divorce or bastard children as far as my parents marriage goes just interesting to see that put into words.

throwawayaljlkj20982 · 2015-03-10T15:11:45+00:00

My plan is working, keep giving up on women people. Makes my chances of finding a unicorn that much easier.

TheRedPillMan1 · 2015-03-10T17:15:32+00:00

According to “projections based on census data, when today’s young adults reach their mid-40s to mid-50s, a record high share (25%) is likely to have never been married,”

Where did you get the number that 50% will never get married? It's a scary stat for those who want to a ring on their finger but a true alpha will know how to spin plates and have branches to swing.

-Awake- · 2015-03-11T01:21:43+00:00

I know most of us have already read it, but I think the best counterargument to these attempts to shame us is Roosh's article "I'm ready to man up"

http://www.rooshv.com/im-ready-to-man-up

[deleted] · 2015-03-11T02:32:56+00:00

I wouldn't discount how men see the women they marry as they both get older. I've heard old-timers and fiction say "When I look at her I see that same girl I met when we were 20." I think man's visual bent imprints strongly as he sees her when she's fertile, young and full of energy. If you meet her when she's 33 and tired from over a decade of disappointments she doesn't have that gleam. You get the sense you're not in this for the thrill of her feminine energy but for a social contract and a ride to the airport when you need one. Maybe it's naïveté dying as you get older or maybe it's just built in you to know a raw deal when it is in front of you.

lemonparty · 2015-03-11T03:14:11+00:00

Young women who adhere to a moral code and refuse to participate in the “hook up” culture are now considered social misfits

That's how the media wants them to feel. We agree there.

Even researchers from the left are coming out very strongly for the family and for marriage,

Because they fucked it all up, and now they know it.

Fryguy48 · 2015-03-11T07:00:27+00:00

The fall shall start with the last free standing country and it will end with the world.

[deleted] · 2015-03-11T21:08:51+00:00

I'm not surprised. There's less and less motivation as a man to get married more than ever nowadays.

destraht · 2015-03-13T14:50:12+00:00

I see offshore accounting with trusts, IBC, foundations, etc as a good way to protect oneself. Probably unless you are super careful like some James Bond villain the wife will end up knowing a lot about these setups and could go about dismantling them. I guess the goal for me would be making her only liable to get 50% of say 40%. How is a woman going to feel about knowing that she is getting even a penny less than half if she leaves? For myself I have long term goals of getting all assets (I don't have hardly anything identifiable and a-lienatable ATM) into foreign places to protect myself against a basically bankrupt government - in other words. That same government is what a hopeful divorcee would use against me all of the same. I say that its not about avoiding or dodging taxes but being able to take those winnings off of the table so that you and only you control it and that nobody a POS IRS agent or now suddenly nasty wife can deprive you of it. That is becoming sovereign and is very RP from my viewpoint. I always try to remember that ownership is liability and control is power. Ultra rich people control a lot but own very little and in real hard times they pretend to save the world with their benevolent trusts that they setup just in the nick of time.

tedcase · 2015-03-10T13:11:12+00:00

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johnnight · 2015-03-10T15:16:48+00:00

When I grow up I'd like to have kids, heck as much as 4 if I can, but I'm not sure I'm going to find a woman like that in Sweden, marriage is scary. I know I got many years ahead of me since I'm only 16 but any advice on what I should do when I do get old?

chillmonkey88 · 2015-03-10T07:49:52+00:00

EDIT: Tldr in last two paragraphs I didn't think I wrote so much %)

First paragraphs just quote and respond to her points

I actually liked this article because I would love to argue this debate with her a more and reveal the manosphere online and see what she spins out of that. There's good and bad in thi.s mostly bad because it comes from a blue pill pop news watered down standpoint. However I liked that her words indicated something that they weren't saying - women have got the changes in society and knocked men down a peg to be equals and are less happy, what gives?

Few things - the first two paragraphs blame men... what's new - same old "man up" and "men need to take responsibility yada yada" but then some of that inner working idea I mentioned above. "Women are getting really upset and it's not cool" it's almost like a half hamstring. She knows this but rationalized it to be men's (as a whole) fault.

Then went on to say "women used to set up the morays and intimate parameters" then added on "now women are 60% of collegiate student body so they now have to live by guys demands" more blaming guys and half hamster dance... she's starting to see the problem and connect the dots but still can't get away from the hamster like a moth and a bug zapper.

"The ones that get married early and hurt the rest of us because we're left with slim pickings when we're 25" blaming younger women OK... so 40% or more of your student body is male if 60 is female and you can't find one guy? Hmm 80/20 rule anyone? Maybe not enough Chad thundercocks aren't going to bury themselves in student debt and those slim pickings are NOT the beta guys you marry in 6 years to divorce rape them... AWALT I guess.

"The left are now strongly advocating for 2 parent families" mrm is probably chomping at the bit along with myself for this. Some political power to help defeat the likes of NOW and maybe get young boys and father's the legislative help we so desperately need because we as men have no traction in this matter. Probably shows why people don't take mrm serious right now.

"Feminism is a spent force/lost revelence" another smart older woman that see the poison she and her sisters are being force fed.

I think she still lives under the "unaccountable for anything" veil however I liked reading this and would like to see her talk/debate with a manosphere figure. I think she has no idea something like that exists and it would probably blow her fucking mind.

I also think even though her hamster was off and running... deep down she sees what marriage is today for guys through her words... almost as if for job safety sake she had to hold back on writing a more genuine article so had to follow the pop culture cookie cutter excuse "blame men" and "they're just getting married later see the 35-50 yo on the graph" then just meh words... anyone else get that sort of vibe from this?

DrinksCrystalKush · 2015-03-10T14:46:52+00:00

nah man, keep them bitches on a short leash, just like master Snoop Dogg taught me, never love a hoe.

ejpusa · 2015-03-10T17:01:55+00:00

Financially women no longer need a man. Just ain't worth the effort, that's what the numbers are pointing out.

H42 · Tue Mar 10 14:40:03 2015 UTC

Here are where the Unicorns may live:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

It would be interesting to see if those females are also AWALT.

"Uncontacted peoples, also referred to as isolated peoples or lost tribes, are communities who live, or have lived, either by choice (peoples living in voluntary isolation) or by circumstance, without significant contact with globalized civilization. Few peoples have remained totally uncontacted by global civilization."

symko · 2015-03-10T19:47:03+00:00

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[deleted] · 2015-03-10T11:13:44+00:00

This is one of those posts where I agree with OP's observations. But he's being a total asshole about it. I know he is just being honest, but if you spoke this way around a normal person you would come across as the biggest neckbeard/creeper ever lol.

Panda_Love_23 · 2015-03-10T08:44:06+00:00

Just commenting on OP comment...Well that just sounds sad :( then everyone ends up alone

Title	70% of men aged 20-34 aren't married. 50% never will
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70% of men aged 20-34 aren't married. 50% never will

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