Spending your time worrying about what's beta and what's not makes you a beta.

XtoDoubt · 2019-12-16T15:08:52+00:00

Again, the bias for naturals. For some men, being arousing to women comes naturally. For a lot of us, it's a set of skills that we need to learn, and that's okay.

SOwED · 2019-12-16T14:32:44+00:00

Following this train of thought, isn't anyone who remotely gives a shit about this thread a beta?

hidden_boi_premium · 2019-12-16T14:09:49+00:00

You could also read this as

“You idiots need to stop masking alpha traits so women don’t mix you guys up with the guys they wanna fuck😡”

Yea, just don’t think about it, FOH

mechanical_elves · 2019-12-16T15:32:12+00:00

You're pathetic. You no-talent! I'm an NYU film school graduate!

alright dude

MuleFool42 · 2019-12-16T17:43:36+00:00

If these comments apply to MGTOW then your ignorance is showing. Lot of MGTOW got married, then divorced,etc... They don't have a problem dating women.

And none of them 'Worry' about what's beta and what's alpha. They just learn who they are and where on that spectrum they may reside, and then adjust their lifestyle accordingly.

Additionally, the whole point of MGTOW is to develop one's self personally, professionally, physically, financially, emotionally, and mentally. It IS about grabbing life by the balls and putting yourself first by never putting yourself at risk in relation to society. It's never about women.

Your argument is mis-directed. Seriously, I read this and don't know who you're talking about. But if you're just about throwing shade then knock yourself out.

HarassMyAnger · 2019-12-16T14:04:54+00:00

First off, you dont have to try so hard to,get a point across. Settle down a tad.

I think men start out not caring; the problem arises when women expect you to act a certain way in order to gain their attention, so the men start scrambling for a solution. Becauae what they were instinctually doing wasnt working, they cant trust their own intuition anymore and start pooling for information.

You can die on the hill of being as authentic as humanly possible, but it only works if its the right kind of authentic.

RedditRouge00 · 2019-12-16T14:55:50+00:00

Spoken like a true betacuck

PM_Happy_Puppy_Pics · 2019-12-16T17:59:46+00:00

I think it is beta to sit around and debate when work needs to be done. There is a time and place for everything. So if your life isn't in order and something is out of balance, fix it first, then come here and debate. Otherwise, you are a beta complaining about how the world isn't what you want it to be. Bro, we make the world the way we want it to be, if you are having problems with women, then fix yourself, they aren't that complicated and they're just as flawed as you are. Women don't expect perfection, they just want what makes them feel good.

spaceman_spliff777 · 2019-12-16T14:58:15+00:00

Alphas make change. Betas embrace norms. The dudes over at MGTOW and others are bringing to light what previous generations already knew: that going your own way is better than settling for less than you deserve. They’re promoting change, and it’s resonating.

That’s about as alpha as it gets.

Ltrfsn · 2019-12-16T15:49:23+00:00

Lol this guy has a fetish for "power of the will" stuff. You'll love Adolf Hitler then

mr_falcohn · 2019-12-16T14:25:16+00:00

Although I agree with your point to some degree and I see where you are coming from. your discernment toward these ideologies have exposed an anger in you that you might need to step back from a take good look at. These groups despite your opposition towards them serve a undeniably great purpose. In order to overcome anger you must first go through anger in its most potent and intense form.. what you are witnessing is a process in which men all around the world are going through a necessary process of anger and destruction before their rebuilding of a righteous inner kingdom. Anyone with true wisdom deeply understands the purposes which these communities bring to the table., hence they are not to be taken literal. These communities are the battle grounds under which one must go through to become a true living warrior... one who has seen the bad, the ugly... and reached the beautiful. To simply judge these young men during a very important moment in this natural process and view it as “Beta” really exposes more of the anger you are focused on which comes from an in ability to cope with your situations... sure men who maintain these belief system and believe whole heartedly ALL of the beliefs that these groups create without a proper assessment of their actions should be held accountable by themselves and whatever karma comes their way. But that’s the price one must pay in their process to be a man.. going through a process of elimination.. seeing what works and what doesn’t... completely fucking up.. and making things right again.. I’m conclusion I do see your point... but complaining about it isn’t going to change what is inevitable and necessary to become alpha.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-12-16T15:20:26+00:00

Using the term NPC is pretty aspie in itself

You’re right through - most alphas just “do” without overthinking their behavior, alphas really don’t care how they are received

No one will say red pill is for alpha males though. It’s for turning betas into more of alphas, and in that context these discussions are helpful

dotpoint7 · 2019-12-16T16:28:08+00:00

It's easier to see oneself as the victim than to take responsibility for ones failures in the dating scene. Even more so if you're spending time in an echo chamber subreddit which reinforces your distorted views.

So when faced with this problem you either have enough self confidence to overcome it or you go down the rabbit hole of living in self pity instead.

Edit: that only applies to the people identifying themselves with "betas". If you think you are an "alpha" and also call yourself that, then I'm fairly certain that you're as delusional as it gets.

xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2019-12-16T18:18:58+00:00

Lol, who cares about being an alpha.

Just be good looking - is the only thing that matters.

wolfthewoman · 2019-12-17T00:00:08+00:00

It's true. Real alpha males are confident in everything they do, even if its something stereotypically "beta". They don't give a shit what people think about them. My ex boyfriend's half brother was a giga Chad alpha male who all the girls were obsessed with and all the guys were terrified of. While he had some stereotypical "alpha" male traits, he also was a mama's boy and wasn't afraid to show his sensitive side and engage in things that some people might consider "beta". He also never went out of his way to prove how "alpha" he was. He just naturally behaved like an alpha male. He was confident, assertive, dominant, had a very commanding presence, and wasn't afraid to go after what he wanted. He was alpha where it mattered, and "beta" where it also mattered. Meanwhile, red pilled beta males are "alpha" where it doesn't matter, and "beta" where it does matter. They have a false sense of what is masculine and put too much of their energy into fitting some comic book persona, while neglecting to fix the parts of their personalities that actually matter.

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CMOAN_MAYNE · 2019-12-16T15:23:39+00:00

Hmm. I kind of agree and kind of disagree.

If we want to meta this, to even consider making this point is “beta” because you’re trying to not be “beta”.

Everything in moderation. Is it beta to get a better haircut? Maybe. But accepting that you need to make improvements is how you improve.

ToraChan23 · 2019-12-16T15:30:52+00:00

What exactly is being debated here?

Throughawayman80808 · 2019-12-16T16:32:32+00:00

It's only beta if they know you're trying.

largepaycheckaddict · 2019-12-16T16:42:56+00:00

I agree. I consider myself pretty red pill, a Christian too.

I don’t see living a promiscuous lifestyle as “alpha” whatsoever, though I used to in my teens. Today it comes off to me as a man who lacks control of his passions and can’t bother with working and developing meaningful relationships that last. They just use and discard women like yesterday’s newspaper which actually creates a catch 22 with respect to the “no good women around to consider for LTR/marriage” problem. I don’t even know how some of these guys have time or energy to go on 3-4 dates a week drinking alcohol at a bar. If you have the time for this, to me it means you’re not focused on your purpose, goals, pursuits, not spending enough time training in the gym, with family or doing something productive for your respective community.

Yes women chase a promiscuous lifestyle too which is also unhealthy and wrong, however it’s mostly due to them emulating more masculine strategies with regards to the pursuit of sexual gratification in this false world of “equality” we’re living in.

It’s alpha to remain chaste until marriage or you establish that you have met a woman who you are capable of building a lasting relationship with who wants to bear your children. The promiscuous lifestyle just leads to STDs, unchecked hedonism, broken hearts from break ups and abortions, broken spirits, broken homes from accidental pregnancy etc.. it’s a rabbit hole that I don’t care to venture down after romping around with various women in my 20s.

So to the guys out there who lament about their lack of action.. there’s nothing to lament because it just means you have more time to spend training in the gym, focused on purpose/pursuits and/or career and having time to just simply relax by yourself. Your lack of action in the bedroom means you are avoiding STDs, a broken heart, unplanned pregnancy, a scorned woman who may try to ruin you etc.. if you are training hard and focused on bettering yourself every day- you will eventually meet a good natured virtuous woman and it won’t matter if you’re “inexperienced”. Sex isn’t rocket science and if you’re fit and muscular you’ll be better at it than 90% of men from the get-go.

Awokeeleven · 2019-12-16T16:43:29+00:00

The problem with your thought process is that people are animals and not so smart in a mass as u may think. People are judging people all the time and alpha - beta is just a terminology on how valueable one person is in a context. Tho it’s not so black and white because there will always be somewhere in between, but even if red pill has gotten some things wrong, it has so many things right that it’s scary.

kermit_was_wrong · 2019-12-16T17:02:24+00:00

Conversely, everyone that proclaims themselves alpha - is not.

tru_anon · 2019-12-16T17:24:52+00:00

I am completely on board with your assessment here, but you may have ruffled some MGTOW/ RP feathers. Here is the post that made me unsubscribe from MGTOW a few months after a rough breakup. Truly quality content about GYOW...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9oz0vm/reddit_2018_in_a_nutshell/

corey_trevorson · 2019-12-16T17:46:36+00:00

If one were smart they'd realize that strictly defined "Betas" and "Alphas" don't exist in human beings.

AntifaSuperSwoledier · 2019-12-16T17:58:26+00:00

I mean red pill doesn't even appeal to "alphas" - it's targeted at "betas" who want to learn to be more "alpha."

sadomasochrist · 2019-12-16T19:06:18+00:00

This is the post of a NPD high beta male.

LotBuilder · 2019-12-16T19:22:37+00:00

“Incapable of true self creation....” That sentence says so much. No, we don’t ignore 2000 years of data to “self create” dynamics that don’t exist. It’s about the facts not the feels.

2019-12-16T22:00:26+00:00

Please tell me more about what I'm supposed to find interesting or not.

DcameronT · 2019-12-16T23:06:59+00:00

Exactly.

2LitreBugattiBieber · 2019-12-16T23:57:38+00:00

I would agree OP, I was definitely like that in my teens worrying too much about what was beta and alpha and at the time that made me a beta, but by studying it and then implementing it I did become an “alpha” because I was familiar with how I didnt want to turn out. Also my views on alpha and beta changed considerably.. they’re more flexible terms now.

Bpinchosrep · 2019-12-17T00:06:29+00:00

Yeah whatever you say bro

ctrl_f_sauce · 2019-12-17T00:19:01+00:00

Your dad is beta. Not because it's a bad thing, but because everyone is both. Great leaders know when to follow.

bonusfruit · 2019-12-17T00:33:02+00:00

Insidious gaslighting, meant to shame men trying to improve back into their former suboptimal state.

Ignore this. Lift. Pursue purpose relentlessly. Improve your game. Become conventionally masculine. You will feel better, get more respect, get laid more. People on ppd telling you it's silly to care about this stuff are worse than irrelevant. They are poisonous.

People who claim trying to be alpha is stupid are not your friend. They want you growing moldy, sitting alone in a lonely brain fog fueled by fapping and fast food. They are comfortable with you stagnating, at women's mercy, aimless, depressed. As long as you never go redpill, everything is fine. The moment you decide the obvious (women like hot guys, time work out) they attack. Ask yourself why they feel the need to do this. It's not about the misogyny. They aren't out there lecturing rapists, woman killers, jihadists or any truly threatening men about respecting women. They are lecturing you. It's not about hate or negativity. It's about keeping you from getting better.

Ignore them. Get better

rus9384 · 2019-12-17T05:58:19+00:00

Men who are whining ARE beta. Otherwise they would be deep in pussy.

Whether they whine or not is not gonna vhamge this because they are not deep in pussy for other reasons. Whining with friends or on reddit does not make them less attractive to women since women don't know they are whining.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2019-12-17T15:39:55+00:00

Everyone whining about what is bata in their red pill, incel, and MGTOW (i.e. manosphere safe spaces) is a beta cuck living in a feed back bubble.

If it's a big enough problem to warrant a thread, then surely it'll be easy for you to find one or two examples of exactly what you're talking about, so that I can see in context what people are saying and decide if they're actually whining or not.

...and if you can't do that, then I think you're the one who's whining.

TheseAcadia · 2019-12-17T16:31:57+00:00

You don't worry about it because it's pretty obvious. It definitely has a feel to it.

TheAbominableShowman · 2019-12-16T15:41:37+00:00

It is literally all about confidence. I think you could walk around wearing a fucking tutu and talking with loud squawks but if you did it with confidence then girls would dig it. Some girls are obsessed with masculinity though to the point they won’t show you attention even if they dig your confidence. Or they’re obsessed with some other concept or aesthetic. Like they’re a punk girl and will ignore anyone who’s not punk or a biker girl or whatever. But I’m convinced that these girls still dig it when you truly act however you want. They’re just stuck in a box so to speak.

UrMomma4 · 2019-12-16T15:07:18+00:00

So I don't agree with the aggressiveness, but the message 100%. Especially your term "incapable of true self creation or self overcoming". At the end of the day, we are all individuals and need to embrace differences instead of trying to all be the same.

grand_tiremaster · 2019-12-16T17:58:00+00:00

I showed my bf this post and he agreed. He says his success is done by avoiding social media and forums like manosphere reddits.

He also says it’s OK that I peruse reddit cause I’m a woman lol. “It’s what women do, that’s a women thing”

Title	Spending your time worrying about what's beta and what's not makes you a beta.
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