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"Three reasons why Christian parents are raising slutty girls and beta males"

UshankaDalek

August 12, 2018

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http://www.returnofkings.com/127379/3-reasons-why-christian-parents-are-raising-slutty-girls-and-beta-males

The three reasons suggested by the article, summarized:

Biblical monogamy is misinterpreted. Here "monogamy" just means marriage. Nominally Christian households often suffer from the inversion of the husband and wife's roles. (This is written about extensively by Dalrock, in the "Attacking headship" category.)
Forgiveness excuses promiscuity. "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid!"
Christians praise beta behavior. I daresay that everyone subscribed to this subreddit have witnessed this. Blue Pill churches teach boys to be weak an ineffectual when dealing with women.

While this article by a former Anglican isn't particularly long or in-depth, I found it worth a read.

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Title	"Three reasons why Christian parents are raising slutty girls and beta males"
Author	UshankaDalek
Upvotes	33
Comments	29
Date	August 12, 2018 10:18 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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More to u/matrixtospartanatLV ...

If we are going to change the way Christianity is taught then we need to be speaking to the guys that are actually teaching the congregation.

This is certainly helpful, but note that it's not what Jesus did. He didn't go to the pharisees and say, "You've already got the ears of the people, so I'm going to target my ministry toward you so you can start teaching them rightly." No, he started from the ground up and worked against the interests of the pre-established teachers. He became the teacher of the people.

In the same way, I believe the best model isn't to go to the pastors, who likely will never change their views. They believe that it would be disadvantageous for them to do so. Instead, those of us who recognize the advantage of teaching actual Truth must become the teachers to the people. This happens through personal discipleship that evolves into small groups, which in cumulation begins to change the culture of the people to a point where the leaders have no choice but to adapt to the new culture.

I think this is what you're getting at with your last paragraph, which is closest to the model of culture-change that Jesus established for us. The top-down approach falters every time a new leader is replaced because the people themselves are never being indoctrinated. That approach assumes that people are dummies who will eat up whatever the leadership feeds them. So, if you can successfully change a leader and he teaches his congregation rightly, what happens when his successes get him called away to lead another broken church and the new guy doesn't live up to par? Well, that dummy congregation is going to eat up whatever the new guy teaches and you can just never keep up. But if the culture of the people themselves changes, it doesn't matter if Bob and his wife move away, or the Jonses stop showing up ... a few personnel changes will not disrupt the environment as a whole once you've taught people to think for themselves and to look to the Bible for answers rather than a Sunday morning sermon. This is the ground-up approach and why it is stable and why Christianity has survived for centuries ... until seminaries (among other things) began perverting it into something that no longer resembles the house that Jesus built.

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Nice one-sided review.

Jesus also said in Matthew:

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Strong, masculine words and pulling no punches.

He also whipped those in the temple. Not exactly beta behavior.

He said in Revelation:

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

And there's a long, long list of many other such passages that portray him as exceedingly strong, commanding and masculine.

When you say

Biblical masculinity doesn't quite match the masculinity we see in Hollywood.

Depends upon which passages you read. Although I wouldn't exactly hold Hollywood up as some type of masculine promoting enterprise. You're more likely to see soyboys running around white knighting for some heroine.

Yes, Jesus is mentioned doing the things you wrote of, but He is also written of in ways that can only be described as very masculine and dominant.

Overall, there is no doubt who he is what he stands for.

The I AM THAT I AM and "the way, the truth and the life"

He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and of His kingdom there shall be no end.

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These are some of the attributes of Christ that we as Christians are called to emulate:

Love will enable us to appreciate our brothers and sisters in the Lord, and, of course, our family, and others around us. Love is taking the initiative to build up and meet the needs of others without expecting anything in return. (John 13:1; John 15:13; 1 Corinthians 13:3)

Joy will allow us to enjoy His creation, others, and our circumstances with an expression of delight from harmony with God and others. Joy is different from happiness – happiness is being satisfied with our circumstances, and JOY is being satisfied despite our circumstances. (Proverbs 15:13; John 15:11; John 17:13)

Peace is surrendering and yielding to the Lord’s control, for He is our ultimate peace! It is allowing tranquility to be our tone and to control our composure (having frame). This will be fueled by our harmonious relationship with God so we can hand over control of our heart, will, and mind to Him. Once we make real peace with God through trusting in Christ, repenting of our sins and receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit, we will begin to be able to make and maintain peace with others. (Matthew 5:9; Colossians 3:15; Philippians 4:7)

Patience is showing tolerance and resilience to others, and even accepting difficult situations from them and God without making demands and conditions. (Matthew 27:14; Romans 12:12; James 1:3,12)

Kindness is practicing benevolence and a loving attitude towards others. (Ephesians 4:32)

Goodness displays integrity, honesty, and compassion to others, and allows us to do the right thing. (Matthew 19:16)

Faithfulness is the glue that will preserve our faith and the other characteristics of the Spirit as well as identify God’s Will so we can be dependable and trusting to God and others. (Matthew 17:19; Matthew 25:21; 1 Cor. 12:9; Hebrews 11:1; 1 Thes 5:24)

Gentleness is the character that will show calmness, personal care, and tenderness in meeting the needs of others. (Isa. 40:11; Philippians 4:5; 2 Timothy 2:24; 1 Thes 2:7)

Self-Control will allow us to have discipline and restraint with obedience to God and others. (1 Thes 5: 22)

Forgiving is the realization of how much we have been forgiven by Christ. This enables us to forgive the insignificant things that are done to us. It involves not being resentful to others, and ignoring the wrongs that we have received so we can heal relationships by expressing Christ’s love. (Luke 23:34; Ephesians 4:32; Colossians 3:13)

Humility minimizes arrogance and removes pride. It is understanding our fallen nature and tendency to think we are better than we are, and our striving to lift up ourselves above others and God. It is admitting that others, and more importantly God is responsible for our achievements. Humility will enable us to be teachable and willing to have the attitude of submission and servant-hood, one who confesses sin and remembers how Christ served us! (Luke 22:27; Philippians 2:8; 1 Peter 5:3–5)

Fairness sees a situation from the viewpoint of each person involved and not just ours. It seeks the best, just, equitable solution in all situations. (Matthew 7:12)

Courage realizes that God has given us the strength to face any situation, trial, or peril. It is the ability to react, knowing that God is in control, that He who is in me is greater than he who is against me. (Deuteronomy 31:6; 1 John 4:4)

Friendship is the companionship and closeness we are to have with one another. It is the commitment to help form the character in others. This is not to be feared but embraced, even when it hurts. (Proverbs 27:17)

Honesty & Truthfulness mean being straight and honest with others and doing what is right. This trait will allow us to earn trust by being accurate with facts and situations. (2 Cor. 8:21; Ephesians 4:25)

Dependable is being constantly reliable and trustworthy. It will allow us to continue in our commitments even if it means personal sacrifice. (1 Corinthians 4:2; Colossians 1:10)

Gratitude is an attitude of being thankful, even when we do not see what we have. This is an aspect of worship, expressing to God and others how they have benefited our lives by showing their support and benevolence. (1 Corinthians 4:7; 1 Thes. 5: 18)

Responsibility is to know and do what God and others expect. (Romans 14:12)

Contentment is the attitude of accepting whatever God provides for us, and being happy with it. It does not seek what we do not need for gratification, and does not find happiness in the shallow things of life. (Rom. 9:19–21; Philippians 4:10–13; 1 Tim. 6:6–9)

Generosity allows us to give to others because God has given abundantly to us. It is the wise use of stewardship and the attitude that all we have belongs to God and knowing we are the caretakers for His purposes. (Deut. 16:17; Matthew 10:8)

Purity & Holiness is being set apart for God’s use, which is holiness in action. It does not allow us to be contaminated nor interfere with others in our growth and relationship in Christ. (Matt. 5:8; Philippians 4:8; 1 Tim. 1:5; 1 Tim. 5:22; James 4:8)

Confidence helps us rely on the Lord for all things in our life. It will enable us to push forward in the direction that we are called because He is governing. It makes us realize we are not responsible for the results–only the obedience. (Philippians 4:13)

Encouragement will lift, support, and help others up through difficult circumstances, all from God’s perspective. (Psalm 119:28; Psalm 143:3; Matt. 3:17; John 14:1; 1 Thes. 5:11–14)

Availability is being willing to adjust our own schedule, agenda, and plans to fit the right desires of God and others. It makes personal priorities secondary to the needs of God and others. It is to reflect God’s priorities so we are always available to Him and others when we are serving. (Mark 1:17–18; Acts 16:10)

Attentiveness will recognize the value of other people by giving them listening ears, respect, courtesy, and total concentration. This means paying attention to others, not just listening to our own needs and desires, and especially giving genuine contemplation to God’s Word. (Hebrews 2:1)

Wisdom truly desires the knowledge of God’s Word and the proper application to our life. This will enable us to make good judgments and decisions. (1 Kings 3:9; Psalm 119:97–98)

Compassion will feel the pain and plight of others. It will enable us to convey a deep feeling of love and concern that moves us to meet their distresses, struggles, and needs. (Job 29:13; Isa. 40:11; Mark 1:41; Luke 19:4; 1 Peter 3:8)

Enthusiasm will enable us to overcome disappointments and setbacks, so we can be positive, optimistic, and keep up our interest, attitude, and zeal, even when things are harsh. (Matt. 5:16; Rom. 12:11; Gal. 6:9; Col. 3:23)

Initiative will take the position of leadership position to recognize and do what needs to be done before being asked to do it. (Prov. 22:29; Philippians 3:14; Philippians 4:13–15)

Diligence allows us to operate with our best for His highest with excitement and passion in order to complete our work and call from the Lord. (Prov. 10:4; Rom. 12:11; Colossians 3:23)

Thoughtfulness considers and gives attention and care to others and their feelings first. (Philippians 2:4)

Efficient is being well organized, competent, and resourceful so we can make the most of every situation, doing our best and seeking better ways. (Psalm 90:12; Ephesians 4:23; Ephesians 5:15– 16; 1 Pet. 4:10)

Discretion keeps our minds and focus on sound judgment, giving serious attention and thought to what is going on. It will carefully choose our words, attitudes, and actions to be right for any given situation, thus avoiding words and actions that could result in adverse consequences. (Psalm 112:5; Proverbs 22:3; Rom. 12:2, Rom. 9; Rom. 14:19, Rom. 22)

Optimism will think the best of and be positive with people and all situations, even if later proven wrong. (Luke 21:18; John 16:33; Romans 8:25; Romans 28)

Obedience is submitting to do what God requires of us. It is also recognizing the authority and direction from others, such as the pastor and church, so we can create winning situations. (Deut. 13:4 ; Prov. 19:16; John 14:14; John 15:14; 2 Corinthians 10:5)

Reverence is recognizing and respecting people, not just because of their position and authority, but as brothers and sisters in the Lord, regardless of their personality, knowing He loves them too. (1 Peter 2:13–14)

Agreeable finds Biblical solutions and support for others, without compromising truth. (Amos 3:3)

Appreciation gives God our heartfelt thanks as a lifestyle of worship and adoration. This allows us to give to, and value others with respect. (Romans 12:10)

Avoiding anger is the knowing of its destructive force and striving to maintain “cool” and serenity. (James 1:19)

Being a Good Example is not allowing your relationship with Christ to become hypocritical, since people see your example as to what a Christian is. (1 Pet 2:21,22; 1 Pet 2:12,15,17)

Childlike Faith is the wonder and awe of what Christ did for us. It is something that we should never lose. Let us maintain our enthusiasm and not become just a subculture or routine! (Matt. 18:2–4,34)

Commitment is being dedicated and pushing ahead as well as being satisfied with what you have. It is vowing to honor and be the best with what God has given of spiritual and material things. (1 Timothy 6:20)

Communicating is being willing to convey thoughts, attitudes, feelings, and actions to others in a kind and listening manner that reflects Christ. (1 Timothy 4:12)

Conviction is devotion to and following of the precepts of Scripture with zeal, whatever the cost. (Daniel 1:8)

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Cooperativeness is the support and willingness to work together in peace, unity, and harmony. (Eph. 4:3)

Creative is being resourceful and imaginative in using the best of the goods and talents we have been given to serve the Lord. (1 Timothy 4:14)

Diligence is the loving of our call and the pursuing of our work, doing our best for His glory. (Colossians 3:23)

Dependable is always being reliable and trustworthy. (Colossians 1:10)

Determination is the ability to make difficult decisions and accomplish God’s goals based on the truths of God’s Word, regardless of the opposition. (Psalms 119:30; 2 Timothy 4:7,8)

Deference is being willing to bend personal freedom for the respect and esteem of others. (Romans 14:21)

Devotion is aligning personal desires, plans, worship, and hope with God. (Colossians 3:2)

Discernment is the ability to see people and situations the way they really are (seeing the Code), while also being cautious with right timing and actions. (1 Samuel 16:7; Proverbs 19:2)

Discreet is the ability to not bully people with our personality or actions, or even with sound and right opinions. It is giving serious respect, attention, and thought to what we say and do. (Psalm 112:5)

Discipline is upholding and continuing a consistent and well-ordered life through godly obedience, regardless of how we feel. (1 Timothy 4:7)

Decisive is sticking to right and just decisions based on God’s perfect will. (Romans 12:2)

Not to swear or slander is refusing to verbally hurt others! (James 1:26)

Endurance is the inner strength to remain in Him with staying power in order to accomplish God’s will. (Galatians 6:9)

Fearless is facing down peril without being stupid. Sound mind is being bold since God gives us strength. (2 Timothy 1:7)

Flexibility is being open to others plans and ideas and willing to be instructed and challenged to change for the better. (Colossians 3:2)

Godly Priorities is choosing to follow Scriptural precepts as the primary important schedule and value for life. (Matthew 6:33)

Godliness is being pious, which is rearranging our priorities to line up with God’s character. (3 John 11)

Grace is giving others what they don’t deserve. (Psalm 94:11; James 4:6)

Guidance is a willingness to help others to apply the precepts of Scripture in everyday and difficult situations. (Proverbs 27:9)

Harmless is not willing or deliberately hurting anyone or anything. (Heb 7:26)

Honest is being truthful and doing what is sincere and right before God and others. (Heb 7:26)

Hospitality is a willingness to share, with discernment, what God has given us, including our family, home, finances, and food. (Romans 12:13)

Integrity is the obedience to a moral code of values that have honor, truth, and reliability. It will allow one to keep his word and do his best even when no one else is looking. (Psalm 78:72)

Just is doing what is fair, moral, impartial, and right, according to God’s will. (Genesis 6:9)

Loyalty is remaining committed to those whom God has brought into our lives and has called us to serve, even in times of difficulty. (Proverbs 17:17)

Meekness is not about being weak! It is strength under control, which yields personal rights and expectations to God. (Psalms 62:5)

Merciful is demonstrating more forgiving and gracious kindness than the world requires. (Luke 6:36)

Patience is the fortitude to accept from others difficult situations that we do not like. With God, it is trust of His timing, and not giving Him a deadline. (Romans 12:12)

Perseverance is not giving up on our call, but being able to persist and continue to deal with stress so we can accomplish what God calls us to. (Galatians 6:9)

Persuasiveness advocates and shares God’s Word to others so they can be changed in their thinking and can conform to His will. (2 Timothy 2:25)

Prompt is not holding others back with our inadequacies; it is respecting the time of others and being able to act quickly when God and others call on us. (Ecclesiastes 3:1)

Prudence is not being a prude, but implementing and applying good, logical, and just judgment to situations that will help in avoiding error and problems. (Proverbs 13:6; Proverbs 22:3)

Purpose is in knowing who we are in Christ and acting it out with our call. That is, devoting our life, Spiritual gifts, abilities, and call so it can bring out the best in people and situations. Our meaning of life will have eternal treasure and results. (John 15)

Respectful is being polite and courteous to the people, and the civil authorities God has placed in our lives. (1 Thes. 5:13–14)

Security is trust and reliance upon God for our daily needs. This is not laziness, but working with God’s values, and organizing our life around God’s Will with an eternal outlook in mind for a secure feeling. We are safe because of God’s protection. (Proverbs 29:25; John 6:27)

Submissive is, with awe and reverence, surrendering and yielding our will and plans over to God’s guidance. (Ephesians 5:21)

Self-Acceptance is realizing we are deeply loved and accepted by Christ, thus, we can accept us. To love others we have to first love ourselves as Christ calls for us to (put your own oxygen mask on first). Self-hatred is not Biblical! Self-Acceptance will allow us to accept unchangeable physical features and situations that God has made, to allow us to focus on the more important things in life such as character. (2 Corinthians 12:9–10)

Selflessness is the altruistic giving of ourselves to others, as Christ gave Himself to us. (Titus 2:14)

Sensitivity is exercising kindness and compassion so we can go beyond just reason and logic to perceive and respond to others. (Romans 12:15)

Sincerity is earnest honesty that is readily doing what is right, with pure and loving intention. (Joshua 24:14; 1 Peter 1:22)

Success is not what the world says is achievement; it is to know and faithfully follow God’s Will and His Word. It is our obedience, not our numbers or measurements. (Matthew 25:21)

Suffering is not sought, but when it happens, it is not a personal attack - rather it is a means to get our attention to make us better, more useful, stronger, and to understand what takes place in others. (1 Peter 4:1–19)

Supportive is to come along side others, sharing our strength and courage in their afflictions and troubles. (Galatians 6:2)

Tactful is being considerate, delicate, and diplomatic with others’ feelings and ideas, doing, and saying the right thing. (Colossians 4:6)

Teach is to share our insights and what we have learned with others, to disciple them. (Matt. 7:28; Matt. 28:19–20; John 7:16; Mark 4:2; 2 John 1:9)

Temperate is to have self-control so we do not lose control and give in to lust and extremes of society’s ills. (Titus 2:12)

Tolerant is being forbearing and patient with others, even when they are different or weaker. (1 Thes. 5:14)

Thoroughness is careful diligence that carries out our call with our very best for God’s approval. (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Colossians 3:23)

Understanding is the ability to reason and comprehend situations. (Psalms 119:34)

Virtue is holding onto the principles of moral excellence that call us to a higher level where few people desire to go, but as a Christian, we must go! (Col. 3:12–17)

Zealous is maintaining our enthusiasm for our faith and call, not allowing our church or us to fall into a rut of meaningless rhetoric. (Luke 2:49; John 2:17; John 8:29)

We use Jesus as an example, but are we called to be just like HIM? In every way? Walking the streets, preaching from the intersections, calling out to others to follow us?

No, it’s about being transformed on the inside by the power of the Holy Spirit, and doing whatever the Spirit guides us to do. Developing the characteristics of Christ listed above (and this is not an exhaustive list) and walking in obedience to Him daily in the life you are in now is what God wants. Be in the world, not of the world. Like the fish who lives in the ocean: he lives in salt water, but is not salty himself.

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This is quite an impressive list. Let me add a more conceptual foundation for the notion that we are meant to emulate Christ:

1 John 2:6 - "Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."
1 Cor. 11:1 - "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ."
1 Peter 2:21 - "For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps."
Romans 8:29 - "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son"
Philippians 2:5 - "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus."
Ephesians 5:1-2 - "Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children."
John 13:13-17 - "You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you. Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them."
Ephesians 4:24 - "Put on the new self, created after the likeness of God"
John 14:15 - "If you love me, you will keep my commandments"
Galatians 3:27 - "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

There are many, many more that imply that we are to emulate the example Christ set for us. That said, a common thread of all of these is that we are to emulate the character and priorities of Christ and not the actual decision-making patterns.

To that end, u/matrixtospartanatLV:

There has to be more. Am I doing it wrong because I got married? Because I had children? Because I have a steady job?

Jesus did NONE of those things.

Jesus married the church. He also refers to us as his children. His job was that of a vocational minister - but he also had a lay job as a carpenter, just as Paul modeled a lay job as a tent maker. Jesus did all of these things.

But I agree that there are some things that we are not meant to emulate. Jesus wore sandals everywhere and not sneakers. Does that mean we must wear sandals and refuse to wear sneakers? Of course not. These are not character and purpose-oriented things. In short, I would differentiate between being Christ's physical image and his spiritual image. All of these passages and more seem to be talking about the spiritual image - that our lives would be oriented the same way as Christ's.

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