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Scary facts about fatherless homes

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by MachoNacho031 on /r/TheRedPill
01 February 2020 05:17 PM UTC

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• 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.

• 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.

• 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control) • 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26) • 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report) Father Factor in Education – Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.

• Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.

• Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.

• Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.

• Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.

• 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average. Father Factor in Drug and Alcohol Abuse – Researchers at Columbia University found that children living in two-parent household with a poor relationship with their father are 68% more likely to smoke, drink, or use drugs compared to all teens in two-parent households. Teens in single mother households are at a 30% higher risk than those in two-parent households.

• 70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

• 85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction) Father Factor in Incarceration – Even after controlling for income, youths in father-absent households still had significantly higher odds of incarceration than those in mother-father families. Youths who never had a father in the household experienced the highest odds. A 2002 Department of Justice survey of 7,000 inmates revealed that 39% of jail inmates lived in mother-only households. Approximately forty-six percent of jail inmates in 2002 had a previously incarcerated family member. One-fifth experienced a father in prison or jail. Father Factor in Crime – A study of 109 juvenile offenders indicated that family structure significantly predicts delinquency. Adolescents, particularly boys, in single-parent families were at higher risk of status, property and person delinquencies. Moreover, students attending schools with a high proportion of children of single parents are also at risk. A study of 13,986 women in prison showed that more than half grew up without their father. Forty-two percent grew up in a single-mother household and sixteen percent lived with neither parent Father Factor in Child Abuse – Compared to living with both parents, living in a single-parent home doubles the risk that a child will suffer physical, emotional, or educational neglect. The overall rate of child abuse and neglect in single-parent households is 27.3 children per 1,000, whereas the rate of overall maltreatment in two-parent households is 15.5 per 1,000. Daughters of single parents without a Father involved are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 711% more likely to have children as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a pre-marital birth and 92% more likely to get divorced themselves. Adolescent girls raised in a 2 parent home with involved Fathers are significantly less likely to be sexually active than girls raised without involved Fathers.

• 43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]

• 90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census] • 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]

• 71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999] • 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]

• 85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]

• 90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]

• 71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]

• 75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]

• 70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]

• 85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]

• Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D.H.H.S. news release, March 26, 1999] Census Fatherhood Statistics

• 64.3 million: Estimated number of fathers across the nation

• 26.5 million: Number of fathers who are part of married-couple families with their own children under the age of 18. Among these fathers – o 22 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old (among married-couple family households only). o 2 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative.

• 2.5 million: Number of single fathers, up from 400,000 in 1970. Currently, among single parents living with their children, 18 percent are men. Among these fathers – o 8 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old. o 42 percent are divorced, 38 percent have never married, 16 percent are separated and 4 percent are widowed. (The percentages of those divorced and never married are not significantly different from one another.) o 16 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative. o 27 percent have an annual family income of $50,000 or more.

• 85 percent: Among the 30.2 million fathers living with children younger than 18, the percentage who lived with their biological children only. o 11 percent lived with step-children o 4 percent with adopted children o < 1 percent with foster children Recent policies encourage the development of programs designed to improve the economic status of low-income nonresident fathers and the financial and emotional support provided to their children. This brief provides ten key lessons from several important early responsible fatherhood initiatives that were developed and implemented during the 1990s and early 2000s. Formal evaluations of these earlier fatherhood efforts have been completed making this an opportune time to step back and assess what has been learned and how to build on the early programs’ successes and challenges.While the following statistics are formidable, the Responsible Fatherhood research literature generally supports the claim that a loving and nurturing father improves outcomes for children, families and communities.

• Children with involved, loving fathers are significantly more likely to do well in school, have healthy self-esteem, exhibit empathy and pro-social behavior, and avoid high-risk behaviors such as drug use, truancy, and criminal activity compared to children who have uninvolved fathers.

• Studies on parent-child relationships and child wellbeing show that father love is an important factor in predicting the social, emotional, and cognitive development and functioning of children and young adults.

• 24 million children (34 percent) live absent their biological father.

• Nearly 20 million children (27 percent) live in single-parent homes.

• 43 percent of first marriages dissolve within fifteen years; about 60 percent of divorcing couples have children; and approximately one million children each year experience the divorce of their parents.

• Fathers who live with their children are more likely to have a close, enduring relationship with their children than those who do not.

• Compared to children born within marriage, children born to cohabiting parents are three times as likely to experience father absence, and children born to unmarried, non-cohabiting parents are four times as likely to live in a father-absent home.

• About 40 percent of children in father-absent homes have not seen their father at all during the past year; 26 percent of absent fathers live in a different state than their children; and 50 percent of children living absent their father have never set foot in their father’s home.

• Children who live absent their biological fathers are, on average, at least two to three times more likely to be poor, to use drugs, to experience educational, health, emotional and behavioral problems, to be victims of child abuse, and to engage in criminal behavior than their peers who live with their married, biological (or adoptive) parents.

• From 1995 to 2000, the proportion of children living in single-parent homes slightly declined, while the proportion of children living with two married parents remained stable.



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Title Scary facts about fatherless homes
Author MachoNacho031
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Date 01 February 2020 05:17 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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172 upvotessavir092 months ago

It would be interesting to see statistics on motherless homes as well

149 upvotesgrandmasbroach2 months ago

They're not as good as two parent homes. But, they also don't have the insane, exponentially rising issues seen with single moms. If this was flipped, feminists would be rallying to never let a man have a child if there was a divorce because of how bad it is. I think you can make the case that raising a child in a single mother home is akin to child abuse simply because of how bad we know said outcomes to be. Women are also far more likely to abuse their children, be behind in child support or not pay at all, etc. It's almost like they're projecting onto men or something...

33 upvotesRadioFreeColorado1 month ago

Obviously the only reason a woman would be behind on child support is the gender pay gap... maybe MEN need to step up and take responsibility for the well-being of women and children!

5 upvotesm1zmus1c1 month ago

It isn't a man's job to provide for a woman, his child, yes.

16 upvoteslukesterboi11 month ago

Mothers provide love, affection, and nourishment to babies. They do not provide discipline (hence you have mommy sending Billy to time out when he acts out and Billy ends up failing at life, but if Tyrone forgets his homework then he gets his ass beat by his dad and Tyrone ends up doing just fine).

12 upvotesgrandmasbroach1 month ago

In a perfect world, sure. In reality, Billy ends up failing out of school, never gets laid or noticed by women, and then shoots up the nearest mall out of frustration.

I don't think that it even needs to come in the form of Billy getting an ass whooping. I think having a strong male role model is important because the kid knows that it COULD happen. A kid that is a bit bigger and older will feel much more confident telling a mom to basically fuck off and not listen to them. If it came down to it, a lot of the time, the kid can physically over power the mom if they wanted to. So, they'll eventually learn that any threat is basically empty. With a strong male around, a kid tries to tell them to fuck off, not listen, and tries to over power that parent. It's not going to end well, and they know it.

52 upvotesIvan_The_Reddish2 months ago

IIRC, single fathers were about halfway between two parent families and single mothers. Not great, but still much better than single moms. If the government actually cared about "the best interests of the child" then fathers would get custody by default instead of moms.

14 upvotesredpillcad1 month ago

We would have to exclude the gay married households where there are 2 involved fathers

8 upvotesChristianTipling1 month ago

Researchers love to obfuscate data by refusing to parse out important things like that.

10 upvotesBatemaninAccounting1 month ago

Amusingly the latest studies have two dad households out performing traditional male+female households, but you don't see alt-right social justice warriors fighting for more gay marriages.

10 upvotesAchterhaven1 month ago

That probably has more to do with adoption than the gender of the parents. In general adoptive parents are well off and actually care about their children.

3 upvotesBatemaninAccounting1 month ago

Nope, it includes bisexual men that get primary custody as well.

5 upvotesNergaal1 month ago

the pool data might not be high enough for low confidence intervals

2 upvoteshmsthinkingmeat1 month ago

I've seen it presented that this kind of data "proves" single parent families where the parent is a female are disastrous for young people, both male and female, but perhaps particularly males.

That might be true, but it could be that children from any kind of single parent family struggle - it's just that probably 95%+ of the time kids get put with the mother so the numbers are skewed.

Having said that there's been a series on tv about the UKs problems with mental health cases increasing, it focused on young people.

In every one of them the child was from a broken home and lived with the mother, usually just mom (who was generally a mess - evoking a never ending drama triangle, which I believe is the main problem for these kids), sometimes with mom and step dad.

One lad who was suicidal calmed down tremendously in a very short time when he went to live with his biological dad, instead of his mom and step dad.

So overall maybe it's imbalanced families, or maybe it's mothers are poor at being single parents.

Not enough data.

1 upvotesamericanwolf9991 month ago

I mean, is there even a sample size for proper study? With modern system, women get kids vast majorityy of the time

202 upvotespaulkersey19992 months ago

and yet society still glorifies "single moms" and courts still award custody to them. they are really not doing a very good job.

21 upvotesIATAsshole2 months ago

Why are men not fighting the custody battle with tooth and claw? Can’t be assed?

158 upvotescaptainzoomer2 months ago

I did. Still lost. Still paying. Can't see my son.

51 upvotesIATAsshole2 months ago

The system is fucking evil. But I meant organization wise, surely we could see some change if enough determined men went to work?

36 upvotesLocko_O2 months ago

the system caters to feminisim in deep and profound ways. any movement wanting to partly take that away is going to be discredited immediately by the media and politics

19 upvotescaptainzoomer2 months ago

I just don't care anymore. sorry.

21 upvotessuddenlysnowedinn2 months ago

I don't ever want to understand where you're coming from. I'm sincerely, deeply sorry that you've come to this point; I wouldn't wish it on any father.

21 upvotescaptainzoomer1 month ago

Thanks for the sentiment. I truly appreciate it. Shit I've been through really knocks the wind from your sails. I'm only here as a cautionary tale at this point.

3 upvotesJugrnot81 month ago

Probably start with protesting?

I'd join that group... just never heard of one.

3 upvotesRossFromBritain1 month ago

Fathers for justice in the UK made a big effort

15 upvotesF_Dingo2 months ago

Family court is heavily slanted towards the woman, regardless of her circumstances and ability to provide. It takes a herculean effort for the man to have a fighting chance.

10 upvotesCptJohnnyZhu2 months ago

But since when and why? Because Beta males and women outnumber alphas

13 upvotesuglybaldmofo1 month ago

Because men aren't a team in real life. In real life, men try to out alpha the next guy

Men will throw other men under the bus when women are involved

7 upvotesTrip-trader1 month ago

My plumber did it cost him US$70k but he got 1/2 custody. You shouldn’t have to spend a fortune just to get basic rights though.

7 upvotesSKRedPill1 month ago

You need to build critical mass awareness before something can change at a macroscopic level. It is increasing. YT comments on RP videos show that way more men now understand RP truths. How many will get out of being a victim is something else though. And the best part is it looks like women have no place in those comments sections.

Most men have become too soft for the old warrior mentality of fight to the death if need be. And the most important thing, money, money and time and energy. At what point is it easier for you to just GTFO, that's where they give up.

But these days, honestly, if you are not ready for scorched earth, burning everything to the ground and willing to rebuild from caveman if need be, you shouldn't consider marriage. It is only for those who have no fear of destruction. Counter intuitively this fearlessness is what is keeping those mrp marriages strong.

5 upvoteschadtwashington1 month ago

Family court system is a libtard Socialist kangaroo court.

My best friend only got custody of his son when the mother went to prison. And she never should have ever had custody. Does she pay child support? Fuck no. Will she ever have to pay back child support? Fuck no.

100 upvotestruest222 months ago

Its almost as if men are needed? How strange...

22 upvotesdeath-loves-time2 months ago

seems like you dont have smelt chains to make slaves, just take away their father early on

31 upvoteswoodencrown1 month ago

I get 2 days a week with my boy. My wife works 2 days a week and these are the most important days to me, always try and have 1 activity that gets his heart going and one that is good for his brain/motorskills and we always do that shit together.

My father was a angry man but a good father and I see he now he was under a lot of stress now I'm older. He set the bar very high in terms of father's and I wish to do the same.

26 upvotesthotless_rat_bastard2 months ago

70% of all sociopaths come from fatherless homes.

(from the Mask of Sanity)

49 upvotesCSMastermind2 months ago

We live in a society that incentivize women to divorce through alimony and the outsized awarding of women custody. Which creates single parent homes.

Personally I'd love to see a law passed:

  • Banning alimony
  • Dividing martial property along the percentage lines the property was divided when the marriage was entered
  • Legalizing abortion
  • Providing free contraception
  • Establishing strict sexual education standards for schools
  • Requiring a paternity test for every baby born
  • Making 50-50 joint custody with no child support the default arrangement for child in separated marriages unless there is extraordinary evidence justifying otherwise.
  • Harshly punishing any provably false allegations of rape or abuse.
  • Requiring the completion of certain tasks such as a submission to and disclosure of a through financial audit, the sharing of complete physical including mental evaluation, and the exchange of all legal documents pertaining to each other including things like driving record before a marriage or divorce will be granted.

Then you'd disincentivize single parent homes instead of encouraging them.

12 upvotesredpill771 month ago

I saw 'legalizing abortion,' and I was like where the fuck do you live? Then I was like, right, the US is a hell hole.

6 upvotesvullnet1231 month ago

I agree with all of these except free contraception, but I don't think the government/society wants nuclear families.

52 upvotesKingGerbz2 months ago

I grew up with a single mom and 3 siblings. Ended high school with a 3.8. Got into a state university, now I’m at a top 25 nationally ranked business school. I’m not bragging to anyone bc idgaf about anyone’s approval. I’m just fucking proud of myself for making it out, for defying these fucking odds.

32 upvotesNergaal1 month ago

keep walking. any father would be proud of you

11 upvotesthanusall1 month ago

That’s really good to hear. I wish more of us were this driven/lucky/aware at a younger age

10 upvotesTheOnePucnhMan1 month ago

Hopefully one day you can be a great father

3 upvotesSKRedPill1 month ago

You took responsibility for yourself. As a man you can write the script against the odds. But many people don't get to this stage.

13 upvotes5121653811 month ago

I used to work as a teacher. For kids with discipline problems, in the majority of cases it was not a nuclear family. Sometimes the surnames of the kid and 2 "parents" were all different.

I honestly felt that I was a jail warden on the lookout for escapees rather than a teacher.

7 upvotesmonsieurhire21 month ago

That's because you were.

9 upvotesOilyB1 month ago

We should start calling 'fatherless homes' what they are: raised-by-mother-only homes. 'Fatherless' creates the impression that the father is a deadbeat, when more often than not they simply deadass escaped the evil witch of a wife.

12 upvotesSKRedPill1 month ago

How about father eliminated homes?

7 upvotesJasonMoth2 months ago

Ok, I'm one of these guys, what should I do to help myself?

11 upvotesMachoNacho031 [OP]1 month ago

Just try your best. That's all anyone can do

6 upvotesAndgelyo1 month ago

Self awareness is always the key to change. I grew up with both parents but I had a verbally abusive and borderline violent father. Just because your father beat you it doesn’t mean you have to beat your own children. Always keep it in the back of your head, even though you didn’t have a father try to be the father you never had for your own children. Keep a journal, write your thoughts down, post reminders on walls, do whatever it takes to change for the better.

2 upvotesJugrnot81 month ago

Idk i wish i had some advice. I couldn't think of anything. It's a nightmare. Good luck.

2 upvoteswowmansohacked1 month ago

Start looking for positive male role models and try your best to learn from them. If you can do it you'll learn very important skills like self reliance and the ability to self improve. Those skills are critical to becoming a man. You have to be better than yesterday.

2 upvotesJugrnot81 month ago

Your advise is better than my non advice. For sake of conversation i was trying to think of what it is about a good male role model from a female role model that is so important?

I know it's extremely important and any women who think she can fill the role of the father and mother is nieve but it's still difficult to put in words.

My father was amazing in this regard. I'd like to think my brothers and i are as well. Yet i get caught up trying to articulate it. Like in this situation.

I feel like the following could all be very much traights that are just natural and inherent to being a man/father. (forgive the stupid bullet point numbers reddit jacked them all up)

1.stoicism,

  1. resiliance when times are tough,

3.Giving a child space and not to many rules,

4.Laughing about fuck ups instead of coddle,

5.Take care of responsibilites without belly aching, looking for hand outs (from the ex or society)or caring about himself. I've known women like this that are bad ass tho. Most men if given the kids wouldn't want their exes money or money from the state. We take pride in standing on our own two feet no matter how hard.

6.Not bitch all the time and just do the damn job.

  1. Live off the land, one with nature.

  2. Learn to treat a women with respect. (Yes some men didn't but they didn't have good male role models. generations of boys being raised by single mothers and respect for one anothers gender is almost dead) (men have lost all respect for women and so many women are man haters that raise boys that grow up being raised by a sexist mother and adapt inner resentment towards women).

  3. Standing up for yourself even when it means you might have to fight and when it's over you take your licks and don't hold a grudge and move on. (this sounds dumb but seriously everyone's a bitch now days).

These are all tough because i can picture amazing examples of women that do this stuff well. Some are more common in males some extremely only male specific.

If you let your intentions be known to an older male role model in a subtle way like, "Hey i really appreciate your xxxxx i didn't have a father growing up so it's cool seeing an example of a guy that has a good perspective"

Something like that, good men are quick to raise help give advise and share wisdom. Especially when women aren't around. Women commonly need more attention, and make everything about themselves. Trying to have a conversation with them around also keeps men from talking at all bc they don't want to hear all the bullshit if they choose the slightest word wrong.

This sounds very very sexist i know but don't ever listen to a women about women. They don't understand themselves very well. Some understand other women amazingly but it's hard to tell so just Listen to other men that you respect on those issues.

mgtow without all the hate is actually full of smart men with great advice. (I got kicked from there for telling guys to stop with the hate towards women). So don't fall into that trap of hate.

There are differences between men and women and both play vital roles. Men accept this fact. Women feel the need to marginalize men and make everything about them while still thinking their role is vital. ("he needs is mother" is a very common term you hear from a mother, when they have let the child take control and no longer listen is usually when the give up and want to send the child to the father to clean up the mess they've created. Ask yourself why? Why do they just know the dad will get the job done, why is giving up even an option, why not accept responsibility?)

There is a reason why early man evolved into the leadership role in our society and naturally our species had a patriarchy. Without that women would be worse off. Men created this world and the patriarchy is almost done and the genders are more equal then ever before. All this needed to happen to get us a here as a species. It's not a modern man's fault for for being a man. It's something to be proud of so don't listen to women that try and man hate and man bash. That's like black people hating all white because of slavery. Women fighting our patriarchal ancestors are no better than racists imo.

Well i think I'm off topic rambling at this point. Just know allot of men are worthless too.

1 upvotesexcaliboor1 month ago

Just being aware it helps a lot.

Do the self authoring program from JBP.

1 upvotesJugrnot81 month ago

There is a great deal of Truth here.

Reason and accountability are in you already by nature. Don't follow the hate of men that are bitches and treat women badly of course but the number of women who lack reason and accountability suggest something about the difference in a father and mothers role.

4 upvotesSKRedPill1 month ago

Mods, please pin this up for a while.

19 upvotesRoiMartel2 months ago

I'd be curious to see how this applies to cucked step fathers

9 upvotestruest222 months ago

Similar stats, but for the stepfather himself (suicide, drug use) and possibly abuse for the child/ren

3 upvotesugluk12 months ago

Oh yeah, as if having your own kids and being married wasn't bad enough.

4 upvotesMrCrowbarMeek1 month ago

I'm also curious how these changes are different between a female and male offspring.

4 upvotesjuicyjerry3001 month ago

This means you have a duty, all of us do. To be fathers, to be strong, loving, and dutiful fathers. You are raising you offspring, your small mark on the world. The one thing that will last as long as humanity. Your genes. Even the greatest artist or leader is forgotten about eventually. But your genes, your code of life, can last.

4 upvotes-Vexic1 month ago

I never had a dad. Luckily I found this place. Thank you guys.

5 upvotesFryborg1 month ago

This is why i have nothing but contempt and hatred for single mothers and the scum that pat them on the back.

3 upvotesI_HATE_GOLD_1 month ago

I’m not for patting on the back either, but not all fathers want their children.

3 upvotesPurebredasianbro1 month ago

Can we do a comparison of single father households vs single mother households and see which sex is the more crucial parent ?

1 upvoteswowmansohacked1 month ago

It's a stupid study because the obvious answer is that both are important.

3 upvotesNormalAndy1 month ago

I get it because I went through it. And that made it all the harder to even realise how important it is to grow up into being a man- let alone actually have someone around to teach me the skills to do it. Truthfully, my old man knows that his skipping out was a terrible thing but he is never going to be brave enough to dig a bit deeper and face the consequences.

So- now we are here, do we treat our kids better as loving fathers and weather the storm of shit testing in our 'loving family realationships' or do we gtfo and simply enjoy the decline?

Personally I choose the hard route with all the shit tests (and itis a choice) because I am learning the value of failing well, relishing the challenges and welcoming the pain that I create for myself.

In the end experience is a great teacher and I have so many stories to tell the kids about how I came back again and again. It's still a tough, tough work in progress but, now I get the mindset, I know there's going to be a happy ending to all of this because, by holding my frame, I cannot really lose anymore.

3 upvotesMonitorul1 month ago

Ok now what do those statistics look like when you control for race?

12 upvotesmaximumutility2 months ago

Obligatory "correlation != causation". Surely there are many likely variables that are causing both absent fathers and repeat grades, dropouts, etc. I'd suggest poor socioeconomic status as a common driving factor for many of these.

I think we would need to see a comparison with single mother, dual mother, and dual father households in order to draw meaningful conclusions about the net impact of -1 father, but then it would get really hard to control for things like the aforementioned class status.

7 upvotesronin_ab2 months ago

I don’t think OP meant to imply that it is causation. This is not a single factor situation by any stretch of the imagination. However there seems to be a large amount of statistics that would suggest that not having a father is at least a factor that needs consideration.

There would be no reasonable methodology that could only test the impact on father vs no father. How would you construct it? You will create a bias somehow in the selection process.

16 upvotesfcjnews2 months ago

We clearly need a controlled experiment where we randomly remove a parent in the experimental groups and have an in tact nuclear family as the control.

6 upvoteskorben_manzarek1 month ago

poor socioeconomic status as a common driving factor

There's also poverty/poor socioeconomic status resulting from being a single parent. Growing up in poverty is terrible for the development of children. It's easy to look at the stats and see 'single moms are terrible parents' but it's not that simple.

5 upvotesBlueDrache1 month ago

Daddy gubbsamint is the reason why we've had a literal explosion in fatherless homes.

LBJ and the Democrats' "War on Poverty" has done so much damage.

2 upvotesfistinggirls4free1 month ago

Children go with the mother 80% of the time after divorce. This fucks with most of your statistics since for most of these you can just say single parent instead of motherless.

2 upvotesthenotoriousdougie1 month ago

But, but, single moms are heroes, right?? HEROES!! Right??

/s

2 upvotesWulfeewulf1 month ago

As someone who never had a father, it will fuck up the kids. While I’m doing much better that most in similar situations, I have a lot of issues that I think stem from that. That being said, most of those stem from the fact that my father was an uncaring asshole who fucked another woman behind my moms back. The main reason these kids are so messed up is because it is very difficult to both raise a kid and make enough money to actually survive (my father pays child support about once every 5 or so years). As a result, my mother had a difficult time actually raising me and putting food on the table. While I fortunately had a very mature sister to take care of me, most do not have the same luxury. That is the main reason it ruins a lot of a kid’s development. Not because men specifically are needed, but because it takes a breadwinner and a home maker to make the best child possible.

2 upvoteswolf4591 month ago

Honestly, a lot of this is due to genetics. Men who abandon their families are more likely to be impulsive and stupid and have behavioral problems. Children whose fathers died in an accident have much better life outcomes than children whose fathers abandoned them. Why? Genetics, mostly.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that having a father is super important.

2 upvotesCactus_Fish1 month ago

I believe this, but can I see a source? I was in a debate about this the other day

1 upvotesspicypiss1 month ago

These statistics would be far more interesting if preceded by a value for the population percentage of children in fatherless homes.

1 upvotesnoupdown1 month ago

Source for these stats below?

• 24 million children (34 percent) live absent their biological father. • Nearly 20 million children (27 percent) live in single-parent homes. • 43 percent of first marriages dissolve within fifteen years;

Those numbers are pretty damning. Insane levels of father-less homes and significantly more broken marriages and kids than I ever knew. Almost 50% of marriages in the US fail within 15 yrs? Wow.

3 upvotesKorrangar1 month ago

In the United States, there is one divorce approximately every 36 seconds. That's nearly 2,400 divorces per day, 16,800 divorces per week and 876,000 divorces a year.[iii]

The average length of a first marriage that ends in divorce is 8 years.[iv]

The probability of a first marriage ending in separation or divorce in the first 5 years is 20% and in 10 years is 33%.[v]

The average age for couples going through divorce is 30 years old.

On average, a person spends about two years thinking about divorce before taking action.

About 3 out of every 4 divorced people will remarry.[vi]

People wait an average of 3 years after a divorce to remarry (if they remarry at all).

Six percent of divorced couples end up remarrying each other.[vii]

The U.S. government stopped collecting detailed marriage and divorce statistics in 1996, so other data sources, such as the U.S. Census and independent researchers, are used to estimate divorce rates and other statistics.

https://www.mckinleyirvin.com/family-law-blog/2012/october/32-shocking-divorce-statistics/

1 upvotesex_addict_bro1 month ago

In the past I was lost, I found peace in alcohol and supplicant behaviour towards women. I was hardly ever able to work in a hierarchy or to cooperate with males especially on higher levels of management.

I guess this is what you get when you limit socialisation and natural oxytocin sources.

1 upvotesthrowlaca1 month ago

I'm divorced but I grow up in a family. I cannot begin to describe the difference between living with two parents and living with one. I make a huge effort to educate and feed my kid correctly (and fighting his mother influence, already going for the 2nd boyfriend this year) but he's not even close of the stability and routine that I had in my family when I grew up.

1 upvotesdiastere1 month ago

My sympathies to those who went through this, but the time has come that these kind of posts need to stop on this sub. All this stuff about fatherlessness, hypergamy, etc is gonna get worse and worse in the next two decades, and there's little to nothing any of us can do to change it. This sub needs to talk about how to thrive in the decline instead of bemonaing it or saving it.

1 upvotesaeonasceticism1 month ago

Part of the reason seems to be how society treats fatherless kids as well.

1 upvotesRPInjectionToTheVein1 month ago

How many of these statistics correlate with race though?

1 upvotesNormalAndy1 month ago

Speaking about fatherhood:

I was watching some Japanese cartoon series with the kids last night (One Piece).

Looking at the strange dubbing and subtitles they use, it occurred to me that ‘heart’, ’composure’, ‘bravery’ are pretty much synonymous with ‘frame’. Perhaps that’s already obvious to everyone here- but not ignorant me. I like refreshing perspectives on ideas so it’s actually good to get something out of a cartoon rather than just mindless pap.

Anyway, not saying that anything from Japanese society should be viewed with anything but a sceptical eye: One Piece is all pirates, bravery and has some quite good lines. It’s also a comic book series for around $2/mo:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/one-piece

1 upvotesTeagoblet2 months ago

And somehow you blame the single moms, not the men who walked out on their children.

19 upvotesThrowaway_Old_Guy2 months ago

Although there are men that walk out on their children, they are most likely in the minority. Women sometimes do it as well ( I know one that did)

The real issue here is that (statistically) single parent homes are detrimental to the overall health and well-being of Children.

It seems, from the statistics posted in the OP, (although not referenced) that the vast majority of children affected are living in Single Mother homes.

I've seen the statistic that 80% of divorce proceedings are initiated by the women. It would seem to me, that if the 80% statistic is valid, then these women are choosing to become single mothers.

The reasons for divorcing will vary, and those escaping a violent/controlling/unlivable domestic situation are essentially taking the only path available.

Based solely on what I've just stated, it appears that the majority of Fathers DO NOT walk out on their children.

6 upvoteshail_fire272 months ago

Also important to remember that many cases of single motherhood come from wedlock pregnancies. I don’t have statistics, but I think it’s fair to assume that a man who is willing to commit to marriage is far less likely to walk out on his children.

2 upvotesThrowaway_Old_Guy2 months ago

I think you meant out-of-wedlock pregnancies, but I understood what you were saying.

-8 upvotesTeagoblet2 months ago

They can still be present in their lives, though. Statistically, men win most custody cases, they just ask for custody less. Children who grow up completely without a father either A. Had their father die early or B. He abandoned them. Barring freak court decisions that go against the law ofc. You think just because a woman initiated the divorce the man is suddenly cut off? No. That is not reality.

5 upvotesBurrito_Capital2 months ago

What planet are you on? None of what you say in your comment has any reality here on earth.

5 upvotesThrowaway_Old_Guy2 months ago

They can still be present in their lives, though.

Yes, they can. Unless the Mother, for whatever reason, denies access. They may also need to work more to afford the additional debt load, which would most certainly interfere with being present or actively involved in their children's lives.

Statistically, men win most custody cases, they just ask for custody less.

I have not read that statistic, I'll have to look for it. I must say that anecdotally, it appears the Family Court rulings overwhelmingly award primary custody to the Mother. Again anecdotally, I recall reading a comment from a person (a child during a divorce) who stated that his Mother was granted custody by the Court, despite her failure to appear at the hearing. That seems to speak volumes...

You think just because a woman initiated the divorce the man is suddenly cut off? No. That is not reality.

Again, calling on posts and comments I've read, the Man is, most often, forced to leave the matrimonial home and find accommodation elsewhere. It may be a requirement he be able to provide a bedroom for each child for visitation. (happened to a former co-worker) I have not experienced a divorce/custody issue, so I can only go by what I've read about others ordeals.

Every divorce is different, however, the appearance is the man can be cut off from visitation at any time, and for whatever reason the ex partner decides.

Minor edit

3 upvotesTeagoblet2 months ago

You have a very cynical view of the family court system. Anecdotally on my part, my father got primary custody of my sister almost immediately and each time the mother requested differently she was shot down very very harshly. My family is also caught up in another custody battle where the mother is being denied access to her child atm. Individual perspectives vary wildly, and you can find just about anyone who's had either extreme.

A mother cannot simply decide if the father can or cannot see his children, that has not ever been the case legally or culturally. If it has happened, it it against the law and should be fought. But from what I've seen from statistics and my personal experience, family courts usually act fairly. And when they don't, they make the news. While the system isn't always fair, it does not by design hurt either gender.

3 upvotesThrowaway_Old_Guy1 month ago

I understand that your view is based on personal experience, and everyone has a different one.

I have not had to deal with the system, so any knowledge I have is from reading articles, posts, comments or someone that has had to deal with it.

A mother cannot simply decide if the father can or cannot see his children, that has not ever been the case legally or culturally. If it has happened, it it against the law and should be fought.

I don't know which country you reside. I'm in Canada. The system is supposed to be gender neutral, and operate in the best interests of the child/ren. Unfortunately, it can come down to who has the better Lawyer, or deeper pockets instead of which parent is more capable. I have read of cases where the Mother has denied access the Father in defiance of a court order, and the Father has to petition the court for access. Some have leveled accusations of sexual abuse or domestic violence and the Father will automatically be forbidden contact.

Divorces can be amicable, acrimonious or somewhere in between.

But from what I've seen from statistics and my personal experience, family courts usually act fairly. And when they don't, they make the news. While the system isn't always fair, it does not by design hurt either gender.

The Family Courts should always act fairly. That does not mean they always do so.

27 upvotesquarthomon2 months ago

*The men who were driven out of their homes.

Fixed that for you, you man-hating piece of shit.

5 upvotesTheRedPike1 month ago

Don't argue with women.

1 upvotesIan_Dima2 months ago

And yet there are people here who seriosly promote to knock up women and leave them.

13 upvotesMachoNacho031 [OP]1 month ago

That is terrible yes but I don't think people promote knocking up and leaving women.

-5 upvotesIan_Dima1 month ago

Well i came across at least two in this sub ;)

5 upvotesroaringfork1 month ago

That's plain bullshit, woman.

1 upvotesGT_Racer_XXX1 month ago

And yet there are people who do nothing to women who commit paternity fraud & purposefully get pregnant to suck on the gov't tit.





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